but a lot of side effects and pretense was the most unpleasant side effects unions and even vocal and my emotions felt dogs and i couldn't cry. and i didn't feel like me any more smoother. just a few fun. just been in naples. the side effects were very strong on the side, and it took a very, very long time for the actual benefit. if it took a lot of patients that month to month lease, i went through and would you take any depressants again, name? yeah, yes. i think i would sure fish a but perhaps was better supervision and may be a bit more. well, i was lacking advice. really said assume that's me. i think here you're pushed too much towards drugs. truth, maybe i'd like to hear more about subjects like spirituality, meditation, and all those other things outside the main story and those 2 months it can be dismiss one business male to my thought. they were pretty weak here this morning. if i was honest. and it's very one dimensional argument,

it's very pro medication for me to and not enough about the downsides. you haven't been talking and we've spoken to patients who said this is a very anti depressant, friendly event was i couldn't do this in this in particular. i think that shows this antipathy towards anti depressants of us. i feel like that's doing a lot of damage to i believe it's probably under the 5 had to have this conversation with patients. so often when i tell them to try them, does have and so many people were so grateful that they did in photography and at the house on 51 that's outside of put me at home. you know, my opinion matters. i just get mentioned, these are people who rely on, you know, hopefully if of course i hope so. i hope that people listen obviously see what i'm not telling them anything wrong. sort of a disclosure. a pete, it's, i know it's such an influential position. mean, you can't accept payments from pharmaceutical companies in august,

and when did i last get a payment by 2021 and one of your article states within the last 3 years on rick, hey, girl was advisory board member of johnson on speaker of survey. i'm a d j for example, medice from i should be in this, in the corporate office. i'm in the fortunate situation that i'm not dependent on that at all with this. and that was a speech for which i was paid $500.00 euro is with with that is a very, very small something. this is guns, guns, giving us all the stuff to come in the opposite, get sure about has been constant for years. a 1000 years 20132017220. 21. where you worked for various farmer companies seem for these each doesn't preclude you from doing what you're doing right now. being a mouthpiece kind of tune them. she alvin spotwood suicide. they've been, it's been oh, i'm also an associate professor. we're also conducting research into antidepressants, on the 4 flats run, mostly by industry. and we're engaged in collaborative work. even if you can't

avoid it. because it's only for a few days and how about that, but you personally get paid because i haven't received a penny in 3 years. that's as far as my thoughts from 2021 on the investments like the past 3 years. i think coming, i'd have to look, but i haven't gotten anything in 3 years. there's no conflict of interest of the kind of crisis conflict. a a fuck no, to a 2022 research article that have will contribute to, to says motorcycle reported receiving money from johnson survey. biopharma. and me did say outside and independent of the submitted work data is the shot. is everyone's convinced. they want to be influenced an item, i know they think they make their own decisions. everyone knows that foundation on their studies proving it. and so if you ask, do you think you're being influenced? they say no. if you ask if there's colleagues would be influenced? yes, by everyone believes that the only ones immune to influence us,

but it really affects your way of thinking and the police on the industry doesn't have money to burn it. so i think about where to invest in this. can you send us those eigen riley's, i can tell you that because they've done it and tell us when i was on its top and being paid by the pharmaceutical industry for it, for the fun to have. how much citation in this to you will know how to do it, because at some point, i couldn't have a clear conscience that lied to me. i didn't think it was ethical to take any more money from the pharmaceutical industry. right. i like it may have fun. now, thoughts auditioning as to what you don't hear on stage at the convention is anything about the growing doubts surrounding the effectiveness of anti depressants . down step 1st arose in 2008. the psychologist irving crush was conducting research at harvard university and boston. she was testing whether anti depressants work better than placebos. a cbs

documentary about his findings cost a firestorm of controversy. second study using data not only from the drug companies, clinical trials that had been published in medical journals. this time he got data that weren't published, but had been submitted to the f. d a, which he got through the freedom of information. these are the studies that showed no benefit the of the anti depressants over the placebo. what they did is i took some more successful studies, they published most of them. they took their unsuccessful studies, and they didn't publish them. the 1st use the junk companies own information to show that for people with light from moderate depression, taking a placebo or real medication made no difference. antidepressants don't work for them. crush concluded that antidepressants only showed an effect in helping severe to reach the

mary was one of those who for years believe the pills worked until she came across other people's experiences on internet forums. they reported severe withdrawal symptoms every time they tried to give up anti depressants. chapter 5 understood no . i just and believe it. i always just thought it was neurotic rubbish from likely that they were people with psychological disorders and found it easier to the same . the drugs then look at themselves and deal with why they couldn't cope this, and that's what i thought the subject of death. mary is a qualified psychologist and until recently worked in the outpatient department of a psychiatric clinic. she was never taught as a professional about withdrawal symptoms related to stopping the use of anti depressants. i learned in my studies that these were non habit forming drugs. they

didn't alter your personality or have side effect. that's what i learned. and i just used to pair it at all back with my patients telling them that yes, they probably have low serotonin levels. i simply carried on repeating all that unchecked. like every other psychologist, that's what you believe. i think stuff is done at the same time. i was sitting there trying to pull myself together on the function normally and speak normally to people, questions, and to help them on the award the dimensions of the field for the field. and i don't want to do it any more. who had to hit the dancer, but i could have carried on, i don't mind, there were so many opportunities for me professionally in because i don't want to do that anymore. and i don't want to fight the system this way though. i just don't want to him, came from is for the end of new, i just want to get better with mission. i'm definitely going to be in the and i don't want anything to do with these drugs. going to come in next much to have

some clinics. now take an alternative approach, the center for mental health and marine height and your spouse and western germany has award for no anti depressants have been prescribed for 5 years. not even for severe cases. the head of psychology here, professor hind had mosse believes that depression is best explained by the events in people's lives. he works with patients to find the checker and develop a treatment plan with various options. his approach is often quite unconventional. it's kind of between them, the different stuff. what can i do to make myself feel worse? my mother's funding voided. if i plan to feel really bad this evening by 8 p. m.

say to be really depressed. what do i do? let's come on to the fall. i blame myself for. stay in bed. just pull the covers up over my head. think about sad experiences to anything else for the office on this plan too much and then feel overwhelmed on this one for these within your inside the downward spiral as well. i mean, it's really important to add more positive activities back into your daily life to generally become more active again. and that's independent of your move out because i think i've visited the other student on this. as soon as i see every day things small things, i little you ask yourself, why don't i do it? if it's going to make me feel better and definitely if it makes me better, what stopping me up? yeah, the take assist clocks and the trick is to be clear about why it makes sense and why it's important that. but if i know when i was, i might not feel like going for

a high call or a walk around with or painting a picture because i really don't feel like it is. but i know it's the thing that will improve my condition. when done more than i do it, the sweepstakes, the most important thing is to start doing something again, so calm because that is the start of the process that leads out of depression faces the us to, to pursue. and that also it can be exhausting. it's hard work just like pushing a car, that's all but, but you do that because you know why you're doing it well for my wife, for to school just. 2 the clinic looked at it's therapy success rates a few years ago and by chance discovered that its approach was successful. after studying the results of nearly 600 patients the fiscal stair test, and we discovered that anti depressants played no part and a successful therapy. i thought some kind of wonder if it didn't make a difference,

whether you supplemented treatment with antidepressants or if you stopped taking them for an important opposite. whether you kept taking them or didn't take any at all to do the result was always the same thing. consistent lot of guys that had on such a few that let us to stop prescribing antidepressants to our patients here for this 3 of us to go to me. it's even ethically problematic to recommend a drug with side effects and know beneficial effects. and even though cool sounds here and for of on the 2nd by surface. however, if patients wants to continue to believe in them, then no, we're not going to force our believes on them. and then the other thing that in this one is on june of the honda is checked in 2 weeks ago with severe depression. he's a married 30 year old father with 2 small children. the fits the job gets him his daughters of the last year. i realize to my depression was like a monster keeping me prisoner continental,

everything looked black. so i had no self esteem less than $24.00. and it was like a poisoned arrow stuck in me when people flip that toys and spread and poisoned me with thoughts. and i couldn't think of anything else on those things and come to a 100 us tried to cope with his depression by himself for a long time until last year. but he knew he had to get help as far as buy my house or my family doctor, excuse me, from work to middle of my he prescribed me my 1st antidepressants, but they weren't working school for some of them. we switch to a different one does include a, but i didn't feel anything kind of not even side effects of kind of made him go cool. it was like taking sweet, so he's on, he's on bumble. of course it would be great and there was a tablet, but simply shield depression. the people see what i thought suggested to short weeks on the sofa drinking tea, then your hail to the coach leading to telling us that it's not the case. unfortunately, no, but on this one, i hope that here together with the experts me,

is it like and create a roadmap and that will help me get my life back on track on view some and, and be there because a gets hard work even called but hopefully it will be worth it in the hands amended us failed or so because the tablets don't work. he wants to gradually stop taking them. german guidelines have recently begun recommending against prescribing anti depressants for light depression, but for moderate and severe illness, even those studies show their effectiveness is questionable. we're going to be 50. can we, can you have to look at the studies default type students into their phase 3 studies in approval studies and which antidepressants are compared to what? let's see about drugs and see what way they come in. once again, there is a difference between a placebo and the real thing vehicle was the one with the room. it might not be

huge holes, but it exists logical, something before they wouldn't be approved because they didn't work when he gets my name. i don't if you want my opinion from my clinical experience, i'm convinced that the effect is greater and every day useful courses is i've a who isn't clear as director of a clinic and you see most people leaving after $6.00 to $8.00 weeks of looking forward to going home to their families, to do it for me, they're able to enjoy things and do things again, often happens routinely like it comes, come to be, there's only a minority where you have to try something again for the homework and even fewer where nothing works. that's less than one and a 1000, i'm putting in my estimate. you can help me out. i can come and help yada. sure. that's a claim that you hear again and again talk my thoughts. nothing funny, but i put it like this. it is a claim kind of be some talking evidence of things. we don't have any scientific evidence to back it up me on me, particularly in

a clinical setting lock the jungle is much more to which and simply the medication and also for the content of their regular contacts with people. they're talking to psychologists with social workers, various forms of therapy, community stuff in for me to no one doubts that the depressive symptoms diminish their door. but we just don't know whether that's due to effects of the medications or other factors, including sort of from my clinical experience. i don't see any scientifically convincing evidence for medications and suppose inconveniencing. dr. i'm a child hadn't gotten to is researching, depression of to zurich institute for applied sciences for years. he's noted that all major studies on the f activity of anti depressants show similar results context where how the, um, recently the us food and drug administration, the fda, evaluated patients individually and the biggest study of its kind to ever reported . and they showed once again to get them off, the average effect of treatment is really very small just because they applied the

2020 to study concludes that drugs only show significantly stronger effects than a placebo. and just 15 percent of patients and 85 percent of patients, that's not the case. the any sort of the puzzle had to, if i have depression myself and i would start by taking anti depressants. and so the basic it as soon as i start feeling better and i'm able to make changes to my life, i'd ask myself, are there areas conflicts in my life where i repeatedly feel overwhelmed situations i should consider changing photos. it was one in some extra money feeling. the knowledge that depression has something to do with brain function is very important for me to hear from john to, to, as is the presence of a disorder in the brain scale with the infancy. 114 months will say, how new invasion to naples for treatments that treat the brain for can you start to feed words that they forget the much wider social context of an environmental

factors to social factors? and i'll text you who are the people suffering from depression, a lot of single mothers who are overwhelmed with attendees, who can show their dist dupel burden and also the thing as people who have been unemployed long term, who sat on tv and on social media, what's possible in life, we're stuck in pokey dark apartments and can't afford any of that size can can. and in my view, that's where we fall short talking to me. why? because there's no funding for it. and on a monday, for some time being held for research is largely sponsored by the drug industry and tossing ability. but of course their social prevention measures and of value. and then they would represent the competition for their products. you might just say, because you don't take country depressions until you have the disorder of image doing because you can prevent a disorder, you wouldn't need the drugs to put it bluntly schedule it. most research funding goes into pharmaceutical and medical studies says hang, got now. all this research has been unable to explain what happens in the brain

with depression, but anti depressant prescriptions continue to grow. not least because depression is often wrong, the diagnosed the mazda of us song. what we can say is that many moods that are ultimately diagnosed as depression to not an actual effect fulfilled the criteria for depression. i can please and seen and just, and what did you like most? you can continue on with the pursuing up for it in one day and that's probably the problem and on it goes to the doctor to my house, and it's not exactly clear whether it's depression too far as an easily expandable feeling of projection. you'll notice no model up level and you get a diagnosis during a relatively short consultation from a full 10 minutes. you've got a prescription from now. it's gonna display nothing for them. i typed this is, think of the largest group, a bunch of depressing takers. are people with light, subclinical forms for me, because the most common consent on,

cuz we have no scientific evidence that medication is helping nice group of sufferers has been induced. that's the problem. we face today wasn't able to claim what i mean will be owens hoyt, dismissing the mary is gradually lowering her dosage every day. she does the same thing. she dissolves her anti depressants in watcher and drinks a carefully measured amount every couple of weeks. she reduces that even more the the mary's now found a doctor who's helping her to give up her tablets. a process that she has long struggled with it for me. i'm happy you came isn't good few. yeah, it's been for very extreme years or i've been more or less stuck on this website is long and i'm sick of it. let's look at the moment i'm getting lots of physical

symptoms of friendship and sometimes really extreme, excuse me. and then i think i've got the flu but an hour later it's all over sweet . it's just usually i'm not that sensitive as to someone's coverage as long as somebody who to cover this for me. yes. and the physical flu like symptoms are typical. when you stop taking them, then pull acutely and then also late. so it's not the 1st time i've heard the option from 56 percent of people who take on time to persons are affected by acute i'm chronic problems giving up. i mean that's mentioned analysis from london university. i'm switzerland on one of his fights and this is for miss. i'm really, really relieved to hear that do tuned to 9. and i think the medical professional confirmed that too. and it puts a different light on things and miss even almost as a whole. you're not just saying i'm someone with psychological problems to just has

to accept it in google. and the problem is that his absence couldn't exactly be laven pets. and not often patients are labeled as psychologically ill about that actually just having medical withdrawal in home that told us something wrong with the disco hutch the the get excited the there are people who are trying to make a huge fuss about withdrawal isn't for souls. i thought this giving a normal health care, it's a tiny problem to get put in the we have countless patients here who stopped taking their medication without showing any kind of dependency. we use it. i would say there's a greater risk of the depression returning if you stop taking it because it works against up depression. think this is not a problem. and if people stop taking it and the risk of a set back increases the facilities, and that is the best explanation or the assistant identity. okay. and that's

based on upsets and knowledge surrounding withdrawal symptoms is not that wide spread among doctors give saw that's that's, i mean, there's always the danger that people mistake withdrawal symptoms but the return of depression, lots of women and think they have to start taking them again. and that's certainly happens a lot. i know what you guys, and that's what i find concerning about the ever growing number of prescriptions. i mean, that's neon. shackleton, it's essentially a sign of how difficult it is to get off on too depressing stuff for like i was talked often. that's it should be, i just want, i think, the, because there are more and more patients starting to annoy a pipeline. hardly anyone giving them up calm. i not can read out all of the tests. dina has decided to not just see her depression as an illness, but as an opportunity to help me. she advises other people with depression and their families by telling them about her experience with the illness and she

listens. ready ready as long as this is, you know, you're on, well with it and um, to finish this month and then you decide to address the problem. this probably me, but you just end up feeling more and more helpless. here was a, this is even just that is the typical of, of depression. it really changes the person enters into monte, where people sometimes want to discuss whether they should or shouldn't take antidepressants. christina tells them about her experience with them that she's never had bad side effects, that she sees them as a reliable weapon against depression. even though her illness keeps coming back. the it's the last day of your highness is drug free and to depression. therapy has 10 week treatment program is almost over,

is just going to this final embodiment. because roll your head a few times gently this way in that he's been learning how to use his body to influence his psyche. he's been asked to discuss his goals once he leaves the to investigate. i'd really like to be more relaxed. more stressed resistance does not have the feeling that everything is an insurmountable mountain belk. that's one thing i was. what do you want to instead of the stress, is i hope to be more capable that you maybe, but i want to be more dependable. so i want to be confident, undependable by being aware of my abilities. i'm challenges to control my abilities and by taking a break at the right moment in english, the moment i'm how is that? how does that sound to you? a lot of yes, that sounds like me think that sounds right. sounds like what you want to achieve.

what you have to face now? yes, absolutely. johannes will go home with a complete set of tools to fight has depression they include very simple measures that can help counter depression from ice photography, guns for example, destruction your day with one simple principle, please. getting different k is achievable, guy and every day, a positive experience doing something that you guys to enjoy see in the guide and getting up early, regardless of whether you're talking about tonight's not that's effective against depression tied by that and not letting surfing on the laptop at 3 in the morning, be the most active part of your day spots on the d gomez. and that's really harmful homes come monday activities and mobility is good and bomb can easily build that into your daily structure. these are a few carton rules that you can try instead of taking depressing straight away, and still be successful. dominant without 5 ads here.

the tickets i'm doing fine is helping say before i shock myself, because i'm allowing myself to feel joy again. it goes to a lot and again, we've got to look forward to things again for him. and it was like a light switch being lazy. honestly, it wasn't really what i thought session is you're not an awful guy in the store and you have a right to live. yeah. and you're fine as you are. and i'm going to to lead one to because it's going to be list a yes name is from the fine, you can just in case i've been on the anti depressants for several weeks. since i've had it, they have side effects when i stopped. and even though i realized they weren't just smarties shopping and i sat on a chair in the cafeteria and i felt really dizzy and spies as i knew was a really nice thought i was going to fall. i school until i had to really hold on. and i felt sick on your boss, i often felt like i was going to throw up

a stomach with stuff. it was just really hard to deal with the spinal cold most to hide your highness as determined. she won't take medication again. even if the depression returns, so long as i'm going to get going, now, i'm going out of school. good. all the best part or so insight. i'm really looking forward to the time you something kind of the time i couldn't really spend with my family again divine. i almost want to cry with joy by then again to be with them again. and they're the best thing that ever happened to me. the hey, i'm coming home. no. i think somebody help us pick times to worry about the day to

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