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a dash, a visa, and sasha organizing reconstruction to the beach, to new houses. we would have thought it's guessing code the raise, the folding sun and the volunteers of twinkling will win to freeze admission fee of taking those to reboot dots of elusive d w a ceasefire with moss would be tantamount to surrender setup methods. it's a living hell for everyone else. i repeat. there is no military solution to this confidence. we believe that at least for our right now, benefits we are just to demonstrate that is to be split and one. prove us wrong, the welcome to the show. it is already know the deadliest war. gaza has ever seen. thousands of civilians have
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died and the $25.00 days since israel launched us operation against him. off terrorist hiding in a vast network of tunnels under the enclave. calls for a humanitarian ceasefire. are falling on deaf ears and as 8 organizations brace for what has yet to come. the idea of ground troops are pushing deeper and deeper into gaza on tuesday and is really air strike hid gauze as largest refugee camp. the military says it was targeting a senior hum us commander. the head of the when has urged all parties to abide by the principles of distinction, proportionality and for caution. the israel defense forces released footage they say shows its ground troops operating inside the gaza strip. while the idea doesn't reveal the location of its forces, locals reporting tanks and gaza city. and on the road between the north and south of the enclave. of these really army reports killing dozens of hamas militants and
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fierce close quarters. combat with some of the fighting, taking place inside the vast tunnel complex, where a mazda is believed to be holding $240.00 hostages. rescuing the hostages is one of israel stated objectives and gaza. the other is to wipe out him off on the ground and from the skies. this video, also from the idea of purportedly shows the error strike that killed a senior from us commander said to be involved in directing the october 7 attacks. israel claims with air strikes or targeting militants and military infrastructure. the mouth run, health ministry of gaza says the attacks have killed over $8000.00 civilians. the high death toll has led to international calls for a cease fire calls that is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu has dismissed. he says, israel's forces will not stop until hamas is no longer able to govern casa or threatened israel. again. i'm now joined by the w. correspond antonio kramer who's
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in there aren't in southern israel, close to the border with guys. in fact, as moments ago, we could see what looked like missiles being intercepted on the horizon there. antonia good to see good to see that you're safe is really military confirmed the attack on bali. what more can you tell us to yeah, that's why they were saying that's basically that they carried out this operation, but they just got this operation and to buy their refuge account. that is a part of in northern dogs, a city basically, and succeeded in killing a home us commander who was in there were responsible for the northern part of the gaza strip and also dozens of other militants. they also said that they are, there was an, as they said, the type of system underneath and that the whole compound or of a building square is taken over as they put it by how much infrastructure and be
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heard from my colleague, husband and garza. before that, you know, basically there were a lot of presidential building, said were collapsing in that and many casualties, which we are confirmed from the civil defends in garza, the israel defense forces report fierce funding fee for installing the gaza strip. is this the expected ground? defensive? well, i mean what we can tell you is we've been here all day and we've been here. we have constant bombardment on the gaza strip. we are here in still wrote, this is facing, the northern does a strip. so there has been a lot of strikes uh, also a treasury tang farther through business and somehow in the past hours or so here in the evening, it became quite intense. what we're seeing a lot of flesh or also being uh, shots down here. and also, as you rightly said, there was
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a rocket fi again going to it's the center of the country doing the part of the evening. but also in, in the often new now we know reserved from the is rarely army. that they're moving deeper and deeper inside gauze are there also some video was released from inside the daws us as showing tanks and on solar for the in street over the years today. that is a street that goes from one of the main streets and goals are going from the north to the south. and we understand that some of the ground forces and the tangs are moving in from different locations from the western side as well, or from where the mediterranean sea is and from the north and also from the eastern side. but of course, we also heard from the, i mean that there has been heavy, heavy fighting, been going on that has confirmed the 2 is where the soldiers are, where chilled. and we also heard from they, i'm us from the cars, some brigades, the military ring of home us saying that they were involved in heavy fighting. but you know, it's very hard to confirm all of this from here. of course,
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also the army keeps a very uh, you know, keeps it very tight when it comes to information of what they're letting out as to the details and where the locations exactly all. but certainly this ground operation is going deeper and deeper inside the goal. so it's a significant escalation, tonya. but what are the long term goals of the is really government. they want to be militarized. garza but what happens to the enclave after that? what are the plans for the gaza strip after a moss is? is taken out as they put it as well. this isn't very important question, but um the government hasn't given any answer to that. i mean, the thing, some ideas you know, that has been floating around, but um, so for the saying the one to eradicate homos the one to the end, the capabilities not just from us but also the other minutes in groups operating in
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gaza and want to get out the hostages obviously, but um, we don't know what the envision a long term and i think also the cousins would like to know what many of them are displaced now from the noise to the south. you know, will they be able to return to their homes or what's left of the homes? of course i have been some, you know, um military. um, i know the same, you know, that could be uh, of course, long term uh, occupational administering of the gaza strip. it could be split into uh to how soon are they all kind of scenarios or the policy? no. so or 2, which is a governing a ruling parts of the occupied westbank bring them back. but nothing has been said really here by the is randy government as to watch, you know, will happen politically afterwards. we also have, i'm us leaders of course abroad. yeah. and uh, so what they are saying this would be a very long basically come pain and bore with that and visioning here many unknowns
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at this point to double your correspondence on your kramer reporting from sarah. thank you so much and for more we can bring and military analysts, marina ron from kings college moreno, good to see you again. israel says it has sent most of its tags into gaza and they seem to be staying there. so when is an incursion? not an invasion to even the goal. well, it depends on who is looking at this. so from the is this rarely point of view, it will never be an invasion. but from the home office point of view, and perhaps from the post in, in a, sorry, these point of view, it is already an invasion. so that it, this terminology is very politically leading to, and you know, it would have to be very careful because if you use specific terminology to describe the military operation, then you're aligning yourself that perhaps unwillingly was one side or another. so it is, um, what it is, this is
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a military operation to describe it in one neutral terms. however, i don't think that there is a trash hold where you would say that this is not incursion box and invasion. mm hm . so whenever this, this military operation was taken to the next phase is the now the israeli military says it's in phase 2 and is really imposed in internet and communications blackouts on gaza. a was that to keep information from getting out from coming in or from circulating within gaza, or all of the above maybe as well that that's what i was going to say. it's probably all of the above and it is important to control the information space and this is nothing new and it's been used as antiquity and m as a famous aphorism goals. the 1st casualty in we're is the treats. and so for both sides,
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it is important to control the information and environment. now um we have the proliferation of internet. we have social media. so we're not just relying on traditional print media and television. therefore it becomes much more difficult to control this information space. and to populate it was information that is beneficial to your particular side, and it's nothing use at both sides. could use facts as well as close foods in order to, to target specific audiences goals domestically. so let's say in the israel a case of the domestic population, but also international actors because of health and traversed hills. this issue is, was ongoing military operation, especially with the strikes. and we'd have seen the past example, where was the strike on the hospital in ga so, and that's where a lot of misinformation started appearing straight away. and it can have a far reaching political and security implications. so for each riley,
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it was important to control the information, flew out as gasser, as well as in gaza, bought from a military perspective. you also want to subvert communications for your adversary's. so different from us units. perhaps those located in the tunnel and those located somewhere else can communicate amongst the trousers which hampers their ability to resist and to report on the movements of israel forces. so there is a certain military component in that me. so for many reasons isn't. 2 it is very keen on controlling the narrative about what's happening and gaza. but how is it working out for them so far as well? i think it's both sides of truck trying to control the narrative and it's very difficult to assess which side is actually prevailing. because it depends on
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who the audience is and whereas, or is these audiences are convinced of whatever one side says or another side. you have political leadership, you have international organizations such as when you also have normal population and normal population can be a very powerful audience. in the west, for instance, we have some process both of those demanding to free palestine wenzelspratt. this can be inside of the similar process can be insight id by information or rise a misinformation of this information. and as has been shown, a lot of this information specifically concerning the increased use of generative and yeah, it is in the information space. so for a regular person, it is very difficult to discern what is real and what is not specifically because people don't trust that much in traditional media and gathering use from social
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networks that are poorly regulated, that don't have fact checking. so whoever is consuming that information is also a victim of so called confirmation bias. so this polarizes society is because i only have the information with which already confirms my very subjective point of view. and that is a huge problem. and it, in order to be able to distinguish missing information from the facts, it takes time and also for the media. for the journalist, they're press 4 times. they don't have the time to do fact checking. if you have to bring out the breaking news and specifically in, in, in this conflict, we're a no drawing list can report from god. so it's very difficult to get to the truth. and so you have to rely, and those videos that are posted. so there is a huge dilemma here. yeah. given all the restrictions on facts, what is your opinion on what israel is trying to achieve militarily and gaza right
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now? their goals and how they're going about achieving them? well, the military goal is to destroy a mazda, completely out true to the organization. the problem with that is, israel has a very difficult task at hand, because we're talking about urban palm that we're talking about. com, but in the tunnel system and is rarely strikes, have not been able to damage it or to damage it enough in order to destroy it. it's very expensive and it's somewhat reminiscent of the bottle of moles, whereas the sonic state also relied on tunnels. however, their economies were much smaller than how mazda is tunnels. so now the, the issue is that there will be casualties and there will be civilian casualties. and the problem is not to lose international support because israel relies on
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international support from, from the us and from nato countries. and we know that the us has deployed. it's an aircraft carrier in the strike group, the k as well. so it's important to to ensure a legitimate military conduct, but it's never possible to 100 percent to avoid civilian casualties, especially in such operations. so in terms of the media and what these ro showing is ro is trying to justify whatever they are doing is they are saying a strike killed, so on so many civilians, they will say the strike is justified because we managed to take out a commander home off commander. yeah. and the lives of their engines. he came today, i'm sorry, we'll have to leave it there because we're running out of time. but as always, it was great. speaking to you though is marina moran. thank you. thank you very much. among the
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communities attacks by how mos, on october 7th was keyboards busy, the hair is completely destroyed the keyboards and brutally killed over a 100 of its residents. one of the families torn apart on that day was the hold on, shall hans, their home and the agricultural community burned to the ground and most of the family members went missing. 11 were kidnapped by him os, including 3 young children and an elderly man stocked. they're still being held in gaza for members of the family. have since been found dead. i know i'm hearts v as a friend of the family and has been campaigning for their release. she joins me in the studio now. welcome to the w for stuff. do you know anything about how the families doing? thank you for having me. we have no further new information, unfortunately, every hour and every day that goes by ways to waiting for
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a sign of life, you're still waiting for any certainty and mostly and waiting for them to come now back home. but as you said, we know now the 4 are officially murdered, and 7 are officially accurate now and is really national security adviser said today that there is no deal insight for the release of the hostages. how concerned are you about that? you know, i'm a, i'm a medical student, i'm not the security specialist. i'm not at this moment. of course the families and the friends are every day concerns. you can imagine how it feels when your best friend or your mother or your child is a hostage and help buy from us. so every day this goes by
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every minutes and every hour. we are, we are very worried and just waiting for them and, and expect seem for from everyone for all the sides, the international community. and these are in the government. we expect all sides to, to put this at the top of the priority and to end the misery and the suffering and the to bring them back home. now you just this weekend, prime minister netanyahu said that releasing the hostages was this number 2 priority. so how does that make you feel as someone who you know is, is so concerned about this entire family missing? as i said, i'm, i'm not that as national security specialist. i'm, i'm, i'm a medicine student and i'm a, this is locked also sound the wrong. she's, she's my dear friend. i know her for 10 years. we work
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together the n g o. she established her life mission was to solve the hunger problem in africa and to help us most farmers to develop agriculture and some game security. she, she's, she's always been an inspiration for me. she's all her family are, you know, just amazing people, humanitarian aid workers, peace activist. it's, it's been so long. it's been too long. it's almost a month. we just, we just needed to and we just need them home. no. and you've been even bringing that message to a lot of people over the past days. you've been incredibly strong touring several countries and, and trying to, to rally people to, to, or get on board with this cause to get the hostages released. how,
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as people responded to, to your, please. i would say that's everyone we met. we're very emphatic. we spend one hour with the president telling me, shall we met the prime minister of what's that? we met president matilda. we met the whole new parliament, the list of so long. we met so many people from all parties. i feel that we had their hearts going out to us and they truly respect their support for now, as i said, the families need actions. the family is somebody who cannot say to them anymore, and they need their loved ones back. know what kind of action and, and what are you asking for specifically coming here because there are a lot of you citizens among the kids. now people in that family is we believe this is an international issue. as you said, many of the hostages or with the 4 and manage analysis. and not only that,
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but we, we know that europe is our whole for this humanitarian issue. so we really expect them to, to put this as a top of the top of the priority and to use older, to older diplomatic, through everything. everything to ends today. now as far as are concerned, you know that, that is already happening. are there of things going on behind the scenes that maybe you were assured of that they're doing what they can to get the irish that they would know more details, as all the families wish to know more details. but as you know, how these things work, and it's very hard to get to really information and really insight about any negotiation and anything that's running behind the scenes. but the only thing that
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i can say is that we have hope and we have experts expectations of them. and we, i really want to believe this, everyone to 3 minutes didn't only meet us that day. and i, i really think i from the people that we met, they gave us a huge support and they believed that they're doing whatever they can uh on there, you know, things that's gonna be said. but we urge them not to forget them. these are our people, these are our families, this, there, this is not numbers. this is really the people you just got here to berlin. what's, what's next for you? where are you going to meet? who are you hoping to be able to speak to and convey that message to so when the negation of the german hostages family was already here on the 2nd week of the war
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. and we're now arranging your secondary negation. and i'm here for a this as low as long as it takes to meet with the any diplomats or any anyone that is in a position to help us. and especially sweet 1st we need even the basic stuff, assign of life and to know that they are held in human a terry in terms these are basic stuff that we still don't have any certainty about . i know it's a very complex, complex situation, but i really, i really, really wish for anyone not to be in this choose never. this is every minutes, every hour that goes. is there a fine? yeah. i really hope that your voice is heard. thank you so much for, for having the strength to come here and, and all the best to you and your friends and your costs. thanks. thank you.
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saudi arabia is on track to host a 2034 mens football world cup. australia has pulled out of the building. so audio ravia is now the only candidates to become hosts. nation. campaigners say the saudi government is using heavy investment in football, a so called sports washing to divert attention from human rights violations in the country. and before we go, we want to show you some images of a whole county corruption income chuck got in russia. this is a time lapse of the, a russian on the come chop got peninsula in the far east of russia. it's been ongoing since october 15th. so ok now as part of a chain of volcanoes,
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business the they'll be news coming to line from berlin. the roof of border crossing and garza has been open to allow some critically injured people and perhaps for nationals to be evacuated egypt. it's unclear how long the crossing will stay open. also coming up is real bombs, a target in a refugee camp north of gaza. city the attack kills at least 50 people and injures hundreds more. israel says a senior come us come.
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