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a global energy towards formation. really the cost of the food is or is it for our $2.00 pot documented sri renewables rather than some jobs. november 25th dw, the the i arrived in kabul in the winter of 2021. after 20 years of military operations, nato had announced its withdrawal from afghanistan. it was a time of hope and delusions. the state would take control. democracy would serve as a counterweight to the tell event. then what was cushion line? yes, good. how almost line prepared to flight that,
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against terrorism and extreme is of it to do if at all, to you, i guess, i don't know if negotiations fail water is the only option and on that all those just those who to for could make them k, e i don't think the taliban are not capable of simply taking couple a couple of months later, the taliban entered the capital without a fight for any sort of resistance taking power in the country in a matter of days while the rest of the world looked on in shock, the national army was dissolved, government officials fled helicopters, hubbard over the american embassy as foreigners, were hastily evacuated. the airport descended into chaos as asking the leads to try to sleep. the exit was marked by days of humiliation and fear, bitterness and betrayal. the taliban fighters were able to give thanks to their
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gone at the presidential palace of a country that had been abandoned by the west and was cut off from the rest of the world. the we started filming, just as the last a us soldier left afghanistan. we drove toward kabul, far from the steps in the north of the country which are virtually inaccessible. the. the taliban were everywhere. they had one on conditionally the i lived through the 1st generation of the taliban. 20 years ago. i saw how the war devastated cobble and turned into a huge prison, a women and were publicly flock of how men were forced to pray. i saw the friday
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night executions. the public stoning the hand amputations. never did. i think that the children of the taliban would return triumphantly young, proud and convinced that they were bringing peace with the laws health. our country has freed itself from oppression. every month alone can now live here freely. some of the nature of one are broken motorcycle dead? yes, we beat nature one motorcycles. they had helicopters, tanks and lots of other weapons hung on look. these are the only weapons we have. what i'm moving along was on our side of the circle, the the what happened? did the west fail or have the telephone changed? my want to understand this deadly turn of events, the where they
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would have to engineers. the buildings. nothing changed. just the military is changed to people and they said for up to 20 or 70 or punishing people to not shave here. they're not there for and there is no thought of on to not say this the i was in the mcgraw. so before i joined the taliban regarding there are 30 of us in my precinct. most of the one day we were out patrolling and some residents had obtained. the kid never was holding 7 year old boy by his hands trying the other
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way. what did you do to the kidnapper? we killed him the v as well amik hemorrhage of afghanistan. a longing for for justice, and the dream of returning to the roots, to a perfect and pure world, shaped by religious chance and strict adherence to divine commandments. just as in the time of the prophet, some 1500 years ago, the the capital kabul lies about 400 kilometers southeast of missouri sharif. beyond the 5 peaks of the hindu kush. it's a barren and rocky lynn. the
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afghanistan has seen 40 years of war. 10 years of soviet occupation were followed by 10 years of civil war and then a subsequent of 20 years with nato. a grim face the we built this check point for safety and to protect citizens from thieves and other criminal. these are simple people, farmers, shepherds, they come from the hinterlands where they fought for 20 years against the world's number one, military power against just thrown on special forces. they
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have now replaced those who fled they say the occupiers were violent, not them as a whole, but it cannot cannot even when the americans came to the region and more they brought injustice and immorality at the county where they brought our girls into their camps, which is something we boys couldn't stand the documents, but it wasn't a front to our face. the communities and the afghan government acted like a tyrant. would they have come at them due to that? i'm sure they'll cut out. but the jihad was a hard time for us to remember when i came home, my mother gave me clothes and some food i could give them then she said, go to your friend. we spent the nights hiding in the mountains and the shuffle. sometimes we had something to eat and says on, sometimes not able, i know,
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but we endured all these hardships cannot develop until a law gave us the honor of liberating afghanistan's son. it has all the of all, the nothing is like it used to be a state no longer exists. even the prison guards are gone. it's a revolution whose leaders used to sit in the overcrowded cells of pool, the shashi, the colossal capital prison. the faith today it has to most of the prisoners had escaped us. and by the time we go to cobble the put the must you the button down. they were only
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a few left. so mentally ill, but we found them 2 nights later in this horrible place. by this, the highest of them. so the, so the, this is one of the cells. they are extremely small. but this is where we live. it was constructed for 2 and mates, but there were 6 of us here, sometimes 7 this. now this is the toilets, the blue, the rest of the us because we are calla band one will just hitting the windows and there were many prisoners here, 17 or 18000. what was that optimism? there was never enough bread. and if we got any, it was stale. oh, the give them what is i don't know medical care wasn't given to the 6th and elderly
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that the, that we are the zillow because we live no. tell you about skins or the taliban were tortured and beaten. the blood in hand stuck to these walls. it was barbaric to accept. so it martyrs, terrorists or liberators. depends who you talk to. the taliban is a movement with a broad history. but the former gorillas and bomb makers are now once again, ruling the country that certainly could be invalid. those who sort of the tell about movement to out jihad as terrorist have been defeated live on the head of got the we have lifted the veil of colonized ation from this country. then. well, believe we have humiliated the american us, you know nature and they realized and sent them running units on the road. lucio
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because then on his up one is on federal government on the rules of on his own. so it'd be, it is lumnick am or as now has a country and a nation, a small number on it on hold up. you can no longer simply call us the terrorist good height, or choose late as a vein. terrorist sort of is a, with a handbook on it. their mission is complete. the revolution has won. only the echoes and memories of civil society and the old world remains the about a 100. people have the courage to stand up to the new order. women men, children, call confronting the taliban peacefully and on the
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scenes of anger discussed in range. stoked by the courage of this span the,
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the. 2 the the, the, the,
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the come in get you or the secret of thoughts k 5. and we can't be discouraged by what happened at the demonstration, the shooting in the air and the violence he to us. and we don't want our country to become a haven for terrorism. we don't want to lose our rights as women on a. we don't want to be stuck to the public dust all what design whole, you more? we don't want them to look us up at home on a claim cute that, that'd be on a total your saying, we don't want them to present the weld with a terrifying image of the some. hide that towards the volume on the sofa. one of them is call you k, as if we don't want them to portray our religion as terrorist and cruel and get it de num, all that deed of that shuttle scene of shots mount. if you look on highlights on, do we all agree and show that we continue on struggling by huge without fear. the last 5 times, everyone agrees we take the fighting in charlotte,
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chaotic circumstances and shattered dream or what's left of a 20 year struggle against terrorism. and for democracy in progress, trillions of dollars spent thousands of lives lost all for nothing. it seems like afghanistan is back to square one with arbitrariness and every day life and violence against the press. the queen, one most of the georgia to come to my head among the demonstrators and gave one of them my camera that the federal care team that we both ducked into the crowd to avoid being arrested on that session table more to be back this way. we were protected and they couldn't catch up with someone no matter how much thing, but as i was then the taliban shouted that i had broken the law and should surrender as an old one. on the left, i left the proud to avoid provocation plus the negative. so when did the button
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talk, you was arrested and taken away. ask you to give this book. but i'm glad i was talking on the phone when the taliban grabbed me from behind and letting me away, pushed the boys. we make you these bushes that did them all. my hold left him out of the how your team. they took me to an empty room at the police station and tied my hands behind my back pushed the 2nd bus that comes pointing, but i haven't met up. one of them pushed me to that reason and when i was lying on the ground, they tied my feet as well. so the question that they come on, but then they begin to brutally beat me up with a whip, then the tube or a stick or anything they could get their hands on the ball. pay to choose to keep that and then that would be set up at the home. what do you think? i think smoking big claims that we wanted to publish our recordings on facebook and that we had helped organize the demo. then more taliban came to me,
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is that gonna be door to be? i beg them to stop. i shouted, i didn't do anything. let me go. i'm just a simple journalist. i mean good. a slit, they didn't care. he's the louder i shouted. the heart of the head chief means that them, but the know what all the one house is, just housings soldiers that lived with the white legs in guns. i think it was a very, very clear message to the service to the media. and that was a message for the democracy for freedom of expression that would stop this is the commander from the precinct where the journalists were beaten up. he insisted on being flanked by his officers posing like hotties
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the. we ask him about the journalist statements to the said age, that means i mean, then they began to brutally lead me to abortion. i didn't know that with a, with a tube. bought davis stick on them for anything. they could get their hands on by monday for the shower head us another symbol. this is slender, a knuckle. there is no evidence for anybody to the other side of the who says they were basing up here the 1st column to how i can show you evidence that the women marched on the precinct with the journalists in front of one of the same with the how buildable could you move on when they move? i had been told that they were welcome to ask their questions. the journalists got physical and that's i hate somebody can't. but no country in the world allows of civilians to defy the military with such impunity. we were forced to punish them
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money. that's all there is. okay. but i think i understand the laws of the taliban rigid and dogmatic no. and what at this time before photo 4, sort of this idea make em or it applies the laws of the koran is sharia. and how do i do? i do that. a distinction is made when it comes to for an occasion, for the defend as a married, they a starting to this, the probably the unmarried they are punished with a 100 lashes, according to should be a little of what i need cut in case that a big around also stipulates the punishments that, that on those thieves have the hands chopped off the list. these are divine orders and i hear it is not man who decides, but i lost that of what company i left the
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go to head to these people who know control a country, our enemies of culture. and i said, i'm i don't know. let's see these cas quarters books have no place and that close minds the book. so what can say about children in the jobs that they can shows and, and that the well does not like understand that it can be colorful and beautiful children have a right to see touch and smell this beauty. oh, how could i keep pushing lamps? and as i saw the 2 world views collide on the one hand, the pursuit of beauty and education and on the other. a predefined, gloomy,
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and secluded world urban culture versus the law of the mothers and the country side. angel to come on a, her name was this is on home library, accomplish. we used to have more than 10000 books that i'm with us clinics support them. unfortunately, we have to move them to a safe place. the toilet part of the taliban or invaders go to the evil incarnate, showing them the calculus, to say an educated people. with a quick check, there's power is based only on the weapons that most of the members to for this to find go, have since they want to subjugate us by use of force. has i mean the motor they want to take away on land and have a kind of
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a push on the eskimos and they expect us to live under the rule to bay the will and the last name on that because of a, her name is if someone was inside your home, trampled on your on a coordinator and declined that from now on as the main they have to say, and you must to be honest. and they give a come in and one other. how come on i will need to come on all of this all. i hope so. going last 20 years of work down the drain. 20 years isn't trivial. coming is the empty libraries and fading knowledge of the legacy of the retreat. but taliban tried to fill the void by turning the university into their stage. the
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the, the, it's september 11th, 202120 years to the day since the attack on the world trade center in new york. that, you know, do you, um, have a kind of pseudo not covered the. oh yeah, the mazda mazda, literally the, the, the come, uh, the map could have been put up in yet. but you must allow me and modifying the, to the used to this with the flow and feed. but it keeps lumped them to. so the city said that it did come up with time its been deactivate drive at the deep uh, run to the front to this guy. just allow me he might have to
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come to the taliban. explain their view of women to the press. then got him from the one of the oh, how about of which is the these black clad figures chanting while marching on the street, surrounded by heavily armed men, sent chills down my spine. i recognized the stadium, the measured steps, the practice slogans. i see the battery of hard men who don't even dare and look in the direction of the women and a mine of security. designed to prevent any contact with the demonstrators. this tyler busy using his smartphone to film for social media. everything seems blurred. i am neither in the past of the taliban, nor in the present day of the west. this is so real and disturbing in between world
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the, the sense of leaving the country is hard for me to devote when will i be able to return to? i've got to be done with it that would be possible. my heart is pounding, says, the will. you throw water in her foot steps to make sure that she will return the
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exile, follows escape. as for hundreds of thousands of others, those who stay behind must continue the struggle, the turn it on just helping out. the real
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engineer is sitting over there. it's high time time to let my hot brain, after 1130 years of suffocation. if that's true, us be really old, but it's true. we women have suffered so much. we've been angry at them for 1400 years. we wasn't the women must among the rights allow, has given us all the emails that have been on the tool. we can't predict what will happen or how the tunnel band will react this some way. even tell them how many times i've put in the past. they have banished women to documents and other conditions. they have of preston and excluded them from all aspects of life. and so all that to the kids, i mean the,
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the come by the saw it was born in 2001. so like the us launched it's offensive against the tell event doesn't go to the i grew up in a country where there was some freedom, someone and kids the cause of the that have one, a son, 51, $12.00 and more each trustable i never expected that in 2021 was in the 21st century a terrorist group would once again take close enough chemist in while the low cost i want us on a video of angel hook, i'm sure yet what was that? but i want to cry to talk with the telephone, succeed. it's beyond my comprehension. i can't believe this is happening. oh, there is no grey regarding this guy. he stands in miami to connect to, to the of source of, to what he actually, she isn't afraid of anything. she's passed the mother, the other the what the cause a state of my mother's suffered
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a lot under the 1st time, a band regime, stanza. she experienced a lot of suffering misery and depression and doesn't want her own daughter. and my generation to experience the same thing. 2 a hook them up. so that's, that's all good taliban currently have the power with commercial. but as we don't want to take sides, neither for democracy nor for the amorous cause. but we must defend women's rights if we want to preserve what has been achieved over the past 20 years. we have no choice but to accept the taliban government. but it's hard to approach them. it takes the courage of a lion. what are the color? no, there's no sure the bag shut them is and it's a shame that our leaders were cowards and i scanned a stand. we say the fatherland is like a model that was us. but our lead is
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a band and they mothers and slid us on the i knew, sold about themselves and their families. but what about the children of the people in this country? i figured it how would they simply a band and them like that the whole tech them because the one of those leaders was rashid dustin, a self proclaimed communist and the militia leader turned warlord. he's the former vice president and the pillar of the old government. but he was corrupt, selling his loyalty to the highest bidder, tossed them as an unscrupulous opportunist and hedonist known for being a fan of blood sports, including all kinds of animals. dustin vowed to fight to the bitter end days
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before the telephone's arrival. but he then boarded a plane to his becca stat deserving his cobble headquarters. the disturbing. yes, this is the me matos sean. us go from the fish coast 300000 f gunny is more than $3000.00 us dollars. more one on rush it, dustin was spending money on exotic animals while people went hungry. okay, me. i mean, to me, this was all here for dustin's private amusement mom, you know, didn't the mazda of one to sun, but she's quite who is left. they sat in the palaces indulging in luxuries while
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the upcoming people who struggled against all living conditions and poverty said, how do you get kids? you know they squandered voss songs hundreds of thousands of dollars. and while the people suffered nothing, they get to them because they have the we have closed off a part of the house to protect it. should we spend 20 years fighting against these people? why they bombed us? know what, what now we got that house is money flowed into the country for years, contributing to a system of corruption driven by shady officials and greeting politicians. the general population only saw a fraction of that money. but when the taliban took over, funding was cut, 8 stopped, and bank deposits were frozen. nothing flows in anymore. the
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old you know, but i get him got duty as much to take him on, but as go to the syllabus. good. go to the purpose. okay . was it, it's a rough brother. let's do it as you can see for yourself. i just had on a ticket the poor don't get there my things that evening. and then when we ask why
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the banks reply is that the central bank is not giving them any cash, won't they say the world bank has blocked the funds? and as soon as they've been freed, they'll be distributed monthly price. they won't make that that long to do any bundle something quite. but what do we care about? the world bank and mobile. gosh, connie for dies, can't stand things the new at that one is going to be real criminals because we don't care who the bank lend money to. we want our money back. what? i keep much analogy. you name no one listens to us. no, and chosen to stop harassing the pole people all the more. i know not that it would be so good. i'm wondering if they give us $20000.00 back on the a week of that's $200.00 us dollars. elizabeth, that it was. but we have to wait in line for 3 days without eating or drinking or praying. well, if you can't do anything else, you have to wait or turn that. what are you using like a beggar milan? would it be taking the economics out of the,
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the, my, my, the yes, i am a high school teacher teacher, but i kind of live on my salary and this economy. i haven't been paid since the government changed 2 months ago when i exchanged a $1000.00 a day from which you get $2.00. that's enough to buy bread for my children and nothing else. scans rely on god 1st and foremost then on for an age. we have neither agriculture, no industry, factories of clothes and our economy is in the god i have 4 children your and they
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have their lives ahead of them. my life is of all but i love the but i worry about my children's lives are empty. there is no joy, i used to leave the house in the morning to teach the children who will shape the future of this country and me by now i go out to scrounge of life and the bread for my children. so i'm required to be so the us nato, and you are spent so much money for 20 years. so the day for this will and the soldiers died here, you know, but then they just pack up and late meeting the tell a band seized power instead of the speech was hubs. and that's one of the phone for now with last is also the future is on. so essential task. it makes me sad and bitter. so it doesn't feel good. it's painful. this is also,
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they told me on the other line, the see the the
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the the the,
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the country is steeped in religion. it determines people's lives and behavior. it guides education that is the forest learn to read and write and i'm a dresser. the religious school and they also discuss the rules of syria and the fundamental list, interpretation of islam. by the taliban say women must wear the heat when they go to work. and i have no problem with that. but before the taliban came, a wanted to be a gen is to help my country about when it's done, but now i've discovered that the taliban of beating women to work in television by the provision. that was facebook. well, some of us can,
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women should have the same rights as women around the world. what the serial law say about female journalists working in television or about women demonstrating the rise of sharia wasn't accompanied by television or public demonstrations by the taliban. believe that they are the only one speaking on behalf of god. so the taliban have issued a statement saying that any activity or demonstration needs permission from the ministry of justice or the taliban security agency. we are the commission and just received the ministry of justice incense, so they said that they say they conte grant us permission because there is no lu covering the issue yet. i'm out of the
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the the, the badge will cost that we continue. our struggle with leaflets like these to have since demonstrations of band annapolis called us the ex or you and i be sent it on, i added the famous german quote here where, right? it becomes wrong. the teacher resistance becomes you t mobile, i'm tempted to get any more or less that because what am all have to?
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that's exactly what's happening here at the injustice has become the law of the land. when that happens, it's all absolute duty to defend the country, especially was the fee. so i took a shot of bonds, a couple years this last hall cut. that's why i decided to distribute these leaflets at night. no more to collapse down $100.00 in total of 5, each member of on group distribute 20 leaflets every night. we're ready to take this risk like sophie show. so for sure it was not us month, month by, by the so i'll be right back. the
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deal for you, i come down, i'm on my way and hurry up and meet me at the cemetery. the by the way up the
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drop in the ocean accompanied by weeks and months of waiting, taking precautions and hoping for change. we are confronted by the same paralysis angst and silence. everywhere we go, the winter has set in the people's spaces seem harsher. everyone seems more closed off than withdrawn the the
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i collect plastic cardboard and paper take it to the store and sell it. let me say i'm not sure that problem, but you can't find anything anymore. and now winter is here to run to the bottom. there is no work, no jobs them or nothing. no, that was the rich took their money and fled out the deals. i have done too much, i mean you can find anything of value in the trash anymore. the
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. the misery keeps growing, leaving it's mark everywhere. a cold, dry and frosty winter and little 8 is being distributed in campbell. the taliban leaders are blacklisted. the foreigners have bled. the money is gone. have ghana stan is suffering under sanctions, a pariah state. the a part of the responsibility for the sanctions lives with this man. colleagues, now minister of refugees. there is a $5000000.00 bounty for him. he's seen by the us says, an active supporter of al qaeda at the international terrace network. but he doesn't care. he has won the golden days have arrived and his country is once again the kingdom of la. you have won the sound, the sound of war,
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and that's gonna stand is praise be to allow 100 percent over. all security has been established up how corruption has ended. we did not come to power by force, but with the support of the people and the us is so powerful. why did they just give up when the com and that one's done? your doesn't the night geographically. oh, afghanistan is in the center of the well, like a matrix. oh, definitely. so that allow of that by law is with us, the media. he has promised us food items to be d as a his help will come or give you that, that the heat's color, the sanctions can last a 1000 years or a lifetime medical lady. but we will not stop keeping allows commandments of a lot. the of us let him know that i'm not with us while the weapons do you feel threatened or not of that? well, not at all. there was
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a verse and the koran where law says that the weapon is the own a minute of the most. i hit that i am the muslim. one of the afghanistan has been abandoned by the international community by the west, which refuses to pay the price for its failure. and by the taliban ruling the country with an iron fist. both the ruthless defeats and the victory without a future. 40000000 afghans are caught in the middle. and i don't know the tiny band don't engage in talks with women in baltimore. they've refused all requests on the last claim, but we will keep trying to have our voices hud custodian book, which i know about the, by the amount of them all, the sudden i've left the country because it the children, all of them, they fled with them. that money must them, i am one teacher. but as a teacher,
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i don't have the money to get possible. it's and visas and go abroad. so my children can study the length of its bit. so, as you know, i have as hold on to me the the gates, when we last met you were planning the big demonstration, the cut on, but on what happened? you should of this as an almost cut off. well, we ran into certain problems and this was from, we didn't get them so far. can you tell us what kind of problems? no, with us, sorry, the
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