of the researches and scientists all over the world are in a race against time. they are peers and rivals with one daring goals to help smart nature. the more likes watching it on youtube. dw documentary as the conflict and gaza intensifies a public warning from the united states as well, needs to do more to protect the palestinian civilians. if you have an opportunity to alleviate to pay, you should doing peers. and if you don't, you're going to lose credibility roll eyes like this, this week, for me as well, is on the aisle on for my head is the should invest for countries in terms of security service with is ro he'd be us warning. if somebody can advise us

northwest not what, not just oh, throwing the military. i'm us, we our human separate. i am ready to list every advice. so what happens next? this is ralph government have applied it and for the future. and can everything good be salvaged once this war is over? i mean, i'm on welcome to complex on thank you for the invitation. you said last month, so this is where i went ahead with the ground. invasion of garza, many is riley soldiers, and many more palestinians would die. is there a point in your view at which the human price of as well as its being for it becomes too high for you for israel? no, uh no because of 2 reasons. um i yeah, i never knew how to measure human life and i cannot get into any media treatment.

so i i never could uh give a, an honest answer to this question. but are you yes, these are your, the since the, from the very 1st day. so uh and you asked me about um, some change just for me. um i have to, um, i have to drive missionary human lives. and um, luckily be on the other side. so the concept of victory uh, which ease, uh, very unclear today should be major. but human life is something that i find that are difficult to do. um i am ready to speak about um the goal of um, obviously is to me to take a pay or the goals or what they're doing today. but i cannot give you an honest

answer to measure these go. was human like, let me put in another where are you comfortable with 1st the, the total blockade of gaza and then the me, good humanitarian supplies that are being allowed to trickle into the strip. i off because i wonder what the military value is of cutting off food medicine and water to a 1000 civilians in order to um, to measure uh, to evaluate what we are doing. um, i cannot tell you in on this answer um, when i last minute. when you want me to, to, to measure we can human life, but i can tell you what we are by what you and um and i see i believe, and i totally agree with me that the less uh she leaves

um will be due when we are trying to achieve our goal, um, zip code. zip victory. uh we'd be we would give us $0.30. so uh what to try to do now is uh to destroy the military. we as a mediator, a couple of people come us which means of the sell and i believe that this is um, this is the only way for. busy us to create a reality reach both these ladies, the students would be able to leave in a totally different address. but you your suggesting that the methods um that is well is using that the mountains are justified because of the end goal. is that right? no, no, no, no, i live i, i lived to be to the community. so 2 years ago and, uh,

and i lived in addition back regina's as the intelligence community 25 years ago. so i'm not sure that i'm in a position to advise to all military general us. um, exactly what to do. um, or what i can say is that i see that one of the major parameters should be to do as less as possible severely. and to make sure that every by the loading these ladies people are leaving, you're going to send the permission to ever seen in order to achieve this goal. and during mine, especially to you, people who are leaving outside the how much really don't ever seek in order to use these people as did you mention. so it is it sort of the, i see metric conflict and i've seen metric the way zipped re. we

measurement like your present the hot dog set on october, the 13th. it's an entire nation out there that is responsible. he was talking about the gardens. it's not true. this rhetoric that civilians were not aware not involved, they could have risen up. they couldn't afford this evil regime. do go along with that. no, i totally disagree. uh, how much will it look, elected by the people who lives in doesn't i must older like chilly. but people at the funeral of dorothy, you know, uh, security uh, security people. so i totally disagree. i see that we have to start substitute city, which is still going to differ from what i understand of presidents that we do not read well, is it published? do you need people read a little kid? well, was it published? union, you know, send it while leaving god say, hey,

how much i must be full. these war of the boat to between 20 to 60 percent of the students who are b b, w. so as a low tech zip power, how much is usually these meetings are the following up on the against us. so all of our. busy enemies from us by the way, that little it's very like i just they let the concept. busy circulation and all that, you know, uh january is when you was bold doing the 70s of ages. they are killing civilians like isis. so our goal is to destroy the millions of culpability. as a buick or something and not looking for the students. we've looked at more,

we've seen that people. and if you, in fact, tremendous hardship on those palestinian people in the course of fighting home us, that's just collateral damage. is it? that's just like, you know, you know i, i do a lot of damage. i see just um, you know, we, uh, we keep people um, but uh, but we have tracked. um, i don't want to tell you what you and your family gave you an upcoming stuff, and good luck each you get for me to rid of them. but at least i know i know most of the general or the general it seems that the idea i know and i know that jiggly, don't ever see a book, you know, to avoid what you call the damage. and i say, well. ready the key of all subjects and,

and that's it, but we, we are calling it because the reality in which or less side of what people are bold leaving is ladies and on the other side as opposed to how much control the studious is unacceptable anymore. you are stupid, you know, you know, that look to see and probably we made many mistakes and i blame my problem. let's do blame for, you know, create a boss because a deeper level, you but the procedure, they reach and not go to the bus and to discuss own state would you states. but for our, our problem today is how to fight from us. and yes, i do agree this, we have to say again and again in the game of the enemy on the part of the people.

this is why i say to these ladies, not all of the little our greenways me, unless we should speak the military go. we have speaking all the way or really the treatment this we should define it for, leave to go. victory is not measured, is needed to do the 40 to get a dollar should be 3 bugs that posted up to states. it would take us. but the concept, you know, we have to, we have to create a different story. what we are doing today. and this story should be, we are doing today because we are like really, it's other work. revenge is it was in order to defend our people. and how wise are you that having raised the issue of humanitarian hardship with israel in

private america is now airing significant concerns in public. i wonder the company is really government afford to ignore those concerns. anthony black and come the secretary of state such as last week, while as well has the right to defend itself. the way it does so matters. it means food, water, medicine, and other humanitarian. the systems must be able to flow into gaza. and so the people who need them as well doesn't seem to be taking too much concern with with that structure. well, i, um, i totally agree. uh, but i was raised um the last sentence that is not really clear. i agree with money, jerry and uh, no issue. you maternity shoot meaning, you know, uh human cell 3 and human and human. uh, your people. you know, some people are dying. yes. um we, we, we have to take, you can't account. we cannot measure it. but i don't see just um,

but you're getting mentions of people these ways. well, uh, you know, being hostages uh, in the hands of us. i see that, um we, we, we must be able to measure the concept big story without measuring human lives. and these are bringing back up these ladies, what keep met children? or does he and, and, you know, you know, some people who are separate, you know, the from us president, by whom said on his way back from his ralph, i was very blunt with these railways. israel has been badly victimized. but you know, the truth is that if they have an opportunity to relieve suffering of people who have know where to go, that is what they should do. that's a really blunt public morning, isn't, is i see that here besides exactly, and i totally agree that we have to keep in mind and we have to try to, to, um, uh,

to avoid as much as we can do much stuff or do you think it's right and stuff like that. i think the 3 i try to delete um and uh i, i sit and i just, i, i will repeat it again. and again, to begin is somebody can advise us northwest to know what not to be, but how would destroy the military couple of people, unless we, our human separate. i am ready to produce every advice. but what has happened me, you know, uh, people, you know, don't forget the violence and the cruelty um is that we face. exactly one months ago when women was low rate saxon and um,

and every time when we uh blade for human suffering. um yes, i am ready to listen to every advice how to destroyed so many took up a meeting to pass without doing you once trucks and the phone calls the gatekeepers . 2012, you talked about this. what happens when large numbers of people stopping killing through targeted assassinations? you said suddenly, the process is become a kind of convey about you. ask yourself less and less where to stop. to ask you is that's what it's been happening with is really a tax garza a convey about approach. no it's uh, it's a let's, let's what i said on the 2012. ready license and then the exact when you still 32. um i think that um we did manage states. um i see that you've made a mistake when we did not understand that but as the new people and in the way i

totally agree is your own states. um, you know, um 3 agent or did not stop so phenomena off from us. the way you see today, but we are discussing the bus and a bus before all the states, their mistakes, look at us. know because we are fighting now. it gives some see that we can not search its existence. and while i try to explain that we should not forget the states of the future, but we have to stop by designing the future as the future should be to revive the idea the costs of the process that we 383 out of the states instead of trying to explain how you have the config file and what comes next. president biden has said that has to

be a vision of what comes next. you've talked about reviving the idea of a 2 state solution, giving the palestinians a political perspective. do you see any sign of that vision from your government or is the war it's as far as that goes on? no, it's uh, that's why i don't see it when i use it. busy busy you know, coming to the stairs, but i want to be very honest with you. um, i'd love to be sent to them. uh, but i see the change in buying them. you have to understand is way we own our own states is do a great. i'm office and we solely look today we see the day we started doing the last uh, 6 months as this is why i do it. i see when i read people is asleep and i will give you one exam. it is exactly, you know,

it varies with us about uh, 2 weeks ago. oh, should replace. how much? uh, when the box you guys uh would be creat. assuming that this would be reduced, 70 to 80 percent of these varies said it should be part of the, you know, storage, you know, you quoted cheery months ago, which i'm not hearing back from the government guy. you, the government has now i, i started to take the best security control of god often. and so no political perspective. the problem is if you listen to all the ministers and obviously disease rates. and let me tell the students or something of those, this government is older. they don't know yet probably. but this government is, although you know why, because we are a dhl office and when hundreds of thousands of soldiers would have come back from the bay that would not go back home. they would go to the streets and there

wouldn't be. but this prime minister as is coming to administer to disappear from all life and disease, you know, if they're useful in order to reduce the to receives, oh, you're shouldn't police of all or maybe says you should listen to our bottom. it should drive up the stairs, there is a, this is what you would hear from these other people. you talk about a 2 state solution and i'm wondering where you put those 2 states because israel has already said the jewish people have exclusive rights to the land contains within your car in borders or what's to that effect. so they fact, so amex ation has already taken place. hasn't that? what does that mean? what does that know for the news? so you're asking the question, which is based on the wrong assumptions, i seem to legally reinstate to be in the central these various

accept zip concepts of that section. and even these people, you know, many of them are doing it because what we look up to are also when we were looking for security, we got general energy further. and none of you pointed out, you pointed out at the time that the stadiums who wanted to state got settlements didn't exactly. exactly. that's what was i got from one thing. oh no, it's not. richard kennedy. recapture is the only way to change the way we understand ourselves. is it changed your way of this? does the future or is this is there oh, oh, it is the society, but let's do something. this is a role every but because this is not on the opposed to the people seeing us as well as any more is

a regional conflict and really be stopping like even probably, i don't know is a global stability. because let me remind you that the energy rosa, version of you know, if i, for india and china, is china with edgar. so everything is different. so i see that this is the change, the interest rate or euro america, and everybody june about the bid against this is why it is not only our goal. it should be the goal of everybody who care and it gives you overheads to change the perspective in which we see the future. and was people who believe that you see that you live a. that's what, that's what i'm so doing. and i was speaking with billions, if you do that to the german support,

if you look at what's going on in the west bank, the secular violence against palestinians that has been reported and commented on by president biden recently. um, that doesn't give much cause for optimism, does it? you said this bottoms and the settlers responsible had to be held accountable and the violence had to stop. do you think the people who been committing these models forcing palestinians out of the homes and the villages in the west bank will be held to account? uh, i cannot tell you exactly what really happened. but i totally agree with president, but i see just what i can look to do, but i do believe i know what my noise mazda settlers are doing today because it was big. he's a jewish terra, and i totally disagree with what they do. and i see the 80 hours, but it's

a really easy way to responsibly stop. and if you ask me whether we agree or what should i was, you know, i think that we should do much more. do you stop? yes, we are comfortable and they should be all you've spent a lifetime dealing in fox. how do you rate the chances of anything good emerging from this terrible war? but let me give you something about what happened on the 7th to the um, everything loves the way we understand our sense, the way we understood our enemies, the way we understand or rents delivery understands it was. and we should have to be is with some of the very beginning, but what i see the collapse is all the rush

a little closer which re on the state of the big decisions. so we, i used to say that, you know, if i, or if i have to face the problem, i have to like to measure, 1st of all, to look for the details of the factors and said to measure integrated scenarios every, see the calculator. and if i can not tell you what would be the reason the scenario if any of your 2 or the possible. so i'm not going to do it the only way, the only way for me. and many people tell me that i most that i know you, i mostly i really, i just because in a you know, every other tool terrace, the only way to get up is to say ok,

i like jump into the future. and i would describe this way for you to know, we mentioned the founding, the gatekeepers that you and of a form that heads up shouldn't. but we talked about successes and failures during your time in service. um, but there were 2 statements that stood out. this was in 20121 was from kami gillan, who said that we is rarely c said are making the lives of millions unbearable and some of her arms. charlotte, who remarked, we have become cruel to ourselves as well, but mainly to the occupied population. did you agree with those statements in 2012? and if so, do you spell agree with them? yes. i told you that we we made we made every mistake. uh, the only way to understand is to us how come, why did we do it?

and we did it because we lost confidence achieving security because really the states but, but it's do you me and did the states as well. and you mentioned the right the up to conflict. conflicting the receipt on the own or 60, on the matter. and the only people who can see bose now are sitting in london, you know, america in a different planet. this is your role to help us if you really care about us. yes, they're not all of the states. but do, let's do unions, districts and tell us to see each other a va loan. thank you very much for being on complex sounds. good to see. thank you very much. thank you very much. the,

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