the words people have to say, that's why we listen to every weekend on d w the as the conflicting guys a intensifies a public warning from the united states as well needs to do more to protect the palestinian civilians. if you have an opportunity to alleviate to pay, you should doing peers. and if you don't, you're going to lose credibility roll eyes like this, this week for me as well, is i'm a, i a long format head of the should invest for countries internal security service with is ro he'd be us warning. if somebody can advise us, northwest not what, not just how,

throwing the military of us reason our human separate. i am ready to list every advice. so what happens next? this is ralph government have applied it and for the future, and come everything good, be salvaged once this war is over. i mean, i'm on welcome to complex on thank you for the invitation. you said last month, so this is where i went ahead with the ground. invasion of garza many is riley soldiers and many more palestinians would die. is there a point in your view at which the human price of as well as its being for it becomes too high for you for israel? no, uh, no because of 2 reasons. i yeah, i never knew how to measure human life. and i cannot compare it to any media to be

achievement. so i and i never could uh give a the oldest answer to this question. but the more you yes, these are your, the since the, from the very 1st day. so uh and you asked me about um, some change just for me. um i have to, um, i have to try to measure human lights and um, what would be on the other side? so the concept of victory uh, which ease, uh, very unclear today, should be major. but human life is something that i find that are difficult to do. um i am ready to speak about um the goal of um, obviously is to me to take a pain or the goals or what they're doing today. but i cannot give you another saucer to measure the goal was human like, let me put it another way. are,

are you comfortable with 1st the, the total blockade of gaza and then the me, good humanitarian supplies that are being allowed to trickle into the strip. i us because i wonder what the military value is of cutting off food medicine and water to a 1000 civilians. in order to um, to measure up to evaluate what we're doing. um i cannot tell you in on this answer when i was. ready when you want me to do to measure, we can human life, but i can tell you what we are by what you and um and i see i believe. and i totally believe that leaves me that the less she leaves um will be due when we are trying to achieve our goal.

um, zip codes, ship of victory. uh we'd be we would give us $0.30. so uh let's try to do now is to destroy the military. we as a means that a couple of mutual come us, which means of the so, and i believe that this is um, this is the only way for us to create a reality reach both these ladies, the students would be able to leave in a totally different address, but you your suggesting that the methods that's as well as using that the mountains are justified because of the end goal. is that right? no, no, no, no, i live i, i lived to be to the community. so 2 years ago and, and i lived in addition back regina's as the intelligence community 25 years ago.

so i'm not sure that i'm in a position to advise to our military general us. um, exactly what to do. um, or what i can say is that i see that one of the major parameters should be to do as less as possible severely. and to make sure that everybody, including these a, these people are leaving, you're going to send the permission to ever seen in order to achieve this goal. and during mine, especially to you, people who are leaving outside the how much we don't ever seek in order to use these people as the human shoes. so it is, it sort of the, i see metric conflict and i see metric, little way zipped re. we measurement like your present

a hot dog set on october, the 13th. it's an entire nation out there that is responsible. he was talking about thousands. it's not true. this rhetoric that civilians were not aware not involved, they could have risen up. they couldn't afford this evil regime. do you go along with that? no, i totally disagree. i must look the next. it was the people who lives in doesn't a must older like julie, but the, to the funeral, outdoor the uh, you know, uh, security uh, security people. so i totally disagree. i see that we have to start substitute city, which is still going to be for, for what i understand of presidents that we do not have well zippers. do you need people re, to kid? well, with the union, you know, so it while leaving god says hey, how about

a must be pulled. these were. busy the boat row between 20. ready 30 percent of the students who are b b, w. so as a remote tubs of power, how much is using these meetings that are following up on the against us? so our, our. busy enemies from us. by the way, that little it's very like i just, they let the concept of circulation and all that, you know, uh, january is when you was born during the 70s of ages. they are killing civilians like isis. so our goal is to destroy the meaning of ability as a bureau to stop and not looking for students. we do not have more. we've seen that people and if you, in fact,

tremendous hardship on those palestinian people in the course of fighting home us, that's just collateral damage. is it? that's just what you're, you know, i, i, you know, lots of damage. i see just um, you know, we, uh, we keep people um, but uh, but we have tracked. um, i don't want to tell you what you and your family, you know kind of stuff and good luck each you get for me to rid of them. but at least i know, i know most of the general or the general it seems that there is an idea. i know. and i know that jiggly, don't ever received a book, you know, to avoid what you thought the damage. and i'd say, well, a full uh, the key of all subjects and, and that's it, but we,

we are cold because the reality in reach or less side of what people are bold leaving is ladies and on the other side as opposed to how much control but a studious is unacceptable anymore. you are stupid, you know, you know, the look to see and probably we made many mistakes and i blame my problem, but we still have, let's do blame for, you know, create a boss. so it's a deeper level either the proceed today, but we cannot go through the bus and to discuss own, stay with the states. but for our, our problem today is how to fight from us. and yes, i do agree that we have to say again and again and again our enemy on the part of the evening people. this is why i say to these ladies,

not all of the little i agree was me unless we should speak the military go. yes, speaking all the way or really the treatment this we should define it for lead to go. victory is not measured in meaning to do the for me to get a dollar should be revised. zip costs it up to states. it would take us. but the closer you know, we have to, we have to create a different story. what we are doing today. and this story should be, we are doing today because we are fighting, we don't need it. so the war of revenge is it was in order to defend our people. and how wise are you that having raised the issue of humanitarian hardship with israel in private america is now airing significant concerns in public.

i wonder the company is really government afford to ignore those concerns, answered the plan come the secretary of state such as last week, while as well as the right to defend itself. the way it does so matters, it means food, water, medicine, and other humanitarian. the systems must be able to flow into gaza and so the people who need them as well doesn't seem to be taking too much concern with, with that structure. well, i, um, i totally agree. uh, but i was raised um the last sentence. that is, why is it not really clear? i agree with monday, jerry and uh, no issue with him to tell you the issue. meaning, you know, uh human suffering and human and human, your people, you know, some people are dying. yes. uh we, we, we have to take, you can't account. uh, we cannot measure it, but i don't see just um, but you're getting mentions of people these ways. well, uh, you know,

being hostages uh, in the hands of us. uh i see that um we, we must be able to measure the concept big story without measuring human lives and he's outraging back these ladies. what keep met, children. uh, does he and, and, you know, you know, some people who are suffering to know um, is the answer from us president by whom said on his way back from his ralph, i was very blunt with these railways. israel has been badly victimized, but you know, the truth is that if they have an opportunity to relieve suffering of people who have know where to go, that is what they should do. that's a really blunt publish mode. and using this i see that here, besides exactly, and i totally agree that we have to keep in mind and we have to try to

avoid as much as we can the human stuff or do you think you're trying to strike back? i think the 3 i tried to delete um and uh i, i sit and i, i, i will repeat it again and again to begin. uh, if somebody can advise us northwest to know what not to do, but how would destroy the military couple of people unless we our human separate. uh, i am ready to, uh, police, every advice. but what has happened the, you know, uh, people you know, tend to forget the violence and the cruelty um that we face. exactly one months ago when women were slow, a rate in stockton. and um, and every time when we uh blade for human suffering.

um yes, i am ready to reset every advice how to destroyed somebody to come us without doing new ones, trucks and the phone calls the gatekeepers. 2012. you talked about this. what happens when large numbers of people stopping killing through talking to the assassinations? you said suddenly, the process is become a kind of convey about you, ask yourself less and less. where to stop to ask you is that what is being happening with is really a tax garza a convey about approach? no, it's a, it's a let's, let's what i said or 2 to 2012. ready i don't remember exactly when you start a to i think that, um we did manage states. i see that you've made a mistake when we did not understand that but as the new people and you know way, i totally agree is your own states. um, you know,

um the agent or did not stop a phenomenon from us. so we receive today, but we are discussing the past as a bus before all the states. their mistakes look at us. no, because we are fighting. no. it gets something that we cannot upset its existence. and while i try to explain that we should not forget the mistakes of the future. but we have to stop by designing the future as the future should be to revive the idea the costs of the process. the $383.00 out of the states instead of trying to explain us. oh yeah, i mean it's already something the 5 um, what comes next? president biden has said that has to be

a vision of what comes next. you've talked about reviving the idea of a 2 state solution, giving the palestinians a political perspective. do you see any sign of that vision from your government or is the war it's as far as that goes on? no it's uh that's why i don't see it when i was. busy you know, coming to the stairs, but i won't be very honest with you. um, i cannot re citizen. uh, but i see that change. and finally you have to understand is way we own our own states is do a great democracy. and recently, not today we see the day we started doing the last uh, 6 months as this is why i knew it. i see when i read people is asleep and i will give you one exam. it is exactly, you know, it varies with us about uh, 2 weeks ago. oh, sure to replace. how much?

uh, with the box you guys would be creat. assuming that this would be reduced, 70 to 80 percent of these varies said it should be better, you know, towards now you quoted cheery months ago, but i'm not hearing back from the government guy. you the government does not i. i started to take the best security control of god often and so no political perspective. the problem is it's your list of to all of ministers and i use it disease rates. and let me just saw something of those. this government is older. they don't know yet probably, but this government is, although you know why, because we are a dental office. and when hundreds of thousands of soldiers would have come back from just a pain that would not go back home. they would go to the streets and there wouldn't

be much this prime minister as this coming to administer to disappear from all like this is, you know, if they're useful in order to reduce the whole receives, oh, you're shouldn't listen really says you should listen to our boat and it should drive above the stairs that he's made as this is what you would hear from the people. you talk about a 2 state solution. and i'm wondering where you put those 2 states because israel has already said the jewish people have exclusive rights to the land contains within your car in borders or what's to that effect. so they fact, so amex ation has already taken place. hasn't that? what does that leave? what does that know for the news? so you're asking the question, which is based on the wrong assumptions. i, caesar, oh, legally. we stayed in the central these various accept zip concepts of

that location. and even these people, you know, many of them are doing it because what we look after also when we were looking for security, we got general energy further. and you pointed out, you pointed out that the time that the brother stadiums who wanted to state got settlements didn't buy. exactly. exactly. that's what was i got from one thing. oh no, it's not. richard kennedy richardson is the only way to change the way we understand ourselves. is it changed your way to of this? does the future or is this is there oh, oh, there is a society, but let's do something. this is a role every but because it is not on the opposed to the people as being as it is wednesday anymore is a regional conflict and really be stopping like even

probably i don't know is a global stability. because let me remind you that the energy rosa, version of you know, it by to, for india and china. if china was enter. so everything is different. so i've sees that this is the change, the interest rate or euro america and everybody. jared and most of it, again, this is why it is not only our goal. it should be the goal of everybody who get and it gives you overheads to change the perspective in which we see the future. and was people who believe that to do that you live a that's what, that's what the search engine i was speaking with. if you do that to the german support, if you look up what's going on in the west bank, the settler violence against palestinians that has been reported and commented on

by president biden recently. um that doesn't give much cause swap tourism does it? you said there's violence and the settlers responsible had to be held accountable and the violence had to stop. do you think the people who been committing these vials, forcing palestinians out of the homes and the villages in the west bank will be held to account? uh, i cannot tell you exactly what really happened, but i totally agree with the president, but i see just what i can look to do, but i do believe i know what my noise mazda symptoms are doing today because it was big. he's a jewish there and i totally disagree with what they do and i see the 80 hours, but it's

a really easy way to respond to be stop. and if you ask me whether we agree or what should i would, you know? i think that we should do much more. it's up to you if you stop. yes, we are accountable and they should be all you've spent a lifetime dealing and fox. how do you rate the chances of anything good emerging from this terrible war? but let me give you something about what's happened on the 7th. um, everything loves the way we understand ourselves. the way we understood our enemies, the way we understood, oh rents delivery understands a war. and we should have to be is, is it from the very beginning? but what i see the collapse is always the russian little culture,

which we understand how says the big decisions. so we, i used to say that, you know, if i, or if i have to face the problem, i have to like to measure 1st of all, to look for the details of the factors and that to measure integrated scenarios every see if we can't get rid of and if i can not tell you what would be the reason that the scenario in the near future or the positive. so, i'm not going to do this the only way, the only way for me. and many people tell me that i most, that's the time that i must think i'm really interested. because in the reality of chairs, the only way to get up is to say ok, i like jump into the future. and i would describe is way for you to know,

we mentioned the founding, the gatekeepers that you and of a form that heads up shouldn't. but we talked about successes and failures during your time in service. um, but that was the 2 statements that stood out. this was in 2012. 1 was from kami gillan who said, but we is rarely see said i'm making the lives of millions unbearable and some of her arms show long. who remarked, we have become cruel to ourselves as well, but mainly to the occupied population. did you agree with those statements in 2012 and if so, do you still agree with them? yes. i told you that we we made, we made every mistake. uh, the only way to understand is to us how come, why did we do it? and we did it because we lost confidence achieving security. because really the

states but, but as do you need the states as well? as you mentioned in the right, there are 2 conflicting conflicting narratives. receipt on the own or 60 on the matter. and the only people who can see bose now are sitting in london. you know, america in a different plan and this is your role to help us if you really care about us. yes, they're not all of the states. but do, let's do unions, districts instead of us to see each other a va loan. thank you very much for being on complex sounds. good to see. thank you very much. thank you very much. the

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