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and we've got some hot tips for your package. the romantic code is sports affinities. check on some great cultural memorials to boot w. travel regarding the as the conflict in gaza intensifies a public warning from the united states as well. needs to do more to protect the palestinian civilians. if you have an opportunity to alleviate this, hey, you should doing period. and if you don't, you're going to lose credibility roll lives like this, this week for me as well is, i mean i alone for my head is the should invest for countries in terms of security service. with this ro, he'd be us warning. if somebody can advise us northwest, what not to oh,
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throwing the military. i'm us. we our human separate. i am ready to receive every advice. so what happens next? this is miles, governments have a planet and for the future and come everything good, be salvaged once this war is over. i mean, i'm on welcome to complex on thank you for the invitation. you said last month, so this is where i went ahead with the ground invasion of gaza. many is really soldiers, and many more palestinians would die. is there a point in your view at which the human price of as well as its being forward, becomes too high for you as well? no, uh no because of 2 reasons. um i yeah, i never knew how to measure human life. and i cannot compare it to any media to be
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a treatment. so i and i never could uh give a, an oldest answer to this question. but the more you yes, these are your, the, since the, from the very 1st day. so uh and you asked me about um, some change just for me. um i have to, um, i have to drive missionary human lives and, and what would be on the other side. so the concept big story uh, which ease, uh, very unclear today, should be measure of human life is something that i find that was difficult to do. um i am ready to speak about um the goal of um, obviously is to me to take a pay or the goals or what they're doing today. but i cannot give you an honest answer to measure these go human. like let me put it another way. are,
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are you comfortable with 1st the, the total blockade of gaza and then the me, good humanitarian supplies that are being allowed to trickle into the strip. i us because i wonder what the military value is of cutting off food medicine and water, 2000 civilians in order to um, to measure uh, to evaluate what we are doing. um i cannot tell you in on this answer um when i last minute when you want me to, to, to measure the human life. but i can tell you uh what we are by what you and um and i see i believe, and i totally believe it was me that the less uh she leaves um will be due when we are trying to achieve our goal. um,
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zip code. zip victory. uh we'd be we would give us a sense. so uh, what to try to do now is uh to destroy the military. we as a mediator, a couple of people come us which means of the sell. and i believe that this is um, this is uh, the only way for us to create a reality reach. bose is where the, the students would be able to leave in a totally different address. but you, you're suggesting that the methods that's as well as using that the mountains are justified because of the end goal. is that right? no, no, no, no, i live i, i lived to be to the community. so 2 years ago and uh, and i lived in addition back regina intelligence community 25 years ago. so i'm not
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sure that i'm the position to advise to all military general us. um, exactly what to do. um or what i can say is that i see that one of the major parameters should be to do as less as possible severely. and to make sure that every but the loading is that these people are leaving, you're going to send the permission to ever seen in order to achieve this goal. and during mine, especially to you, people who are leaving outside the how much we don't ever seek in order to use these people as did you mention. so it is a sort of a c metric country. and i've seen metric the way zipped re. we measurement like your present a hot dog set on october,
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the 13th. it's an entire nation out there that is responsible. he was talking about the gardens. it's not true. this rhetoric that civilians were not aware not involved, they could have risen up. they couldn't afford this evil regime. do go along with that. no, i totally disagree. uh, i must look elected by the people who lives in doesn't a much older like getting people at the funeral, outdoor the uh, you know, uh, security uh, security people. so i totally disagree. i see that we have to emphasize substitute that the, which is still going to be for, for what i understand of presidents that we do not have well zippers. do you need people read a little kid? well, with the union, you know, so it while leaving god says hey, how about
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a must be full of these. busy of the boat to between 20 to 60 percent of the students who are b b, w. so as a low tech zip power, how much is usually these meetings? are they all are not on the against us? so our, our, our enemies from us, by the way, that little, it's very like, i just say that the concept of circulation and all that, you know, uh, january is when you was bold doing the 70s of ages. they are killing civilians like isis. so our goal is to destroy the means that a couple ability us to be able to sell and not looking for students. we look at more, we the people and if you, in fact,
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tremendous hardship on those palestinian people in the course of fighting home us, that's just collateral damage. is that that's just what you know, you know i, i do a lot of damage. i see that uh, you know, uh we, uh, we keep people uh, but uh, but the tracks. um, i don't want to tell you uh what you and your family gave you an upcoming stuff and good luck. it should be good for me to get rid of them, but at least i know, i know most of the general or the general it seems that the idea i know, and i know that dig, we don't have receipts. but you know, to avoid what you call the damage and i'd say well. ready the key of all, steve's and, and that's it, but we,
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we are cold because the reality in reach or less side of what people are bold leaving is ladies and on the other side as opposed to how much control it. but a studious is unacceptable anymore. you are stupid, you know, you know, that look to see and probably we make better stakes and i blame my problem. let's do blame for, you know, create a boss. does it even level you but the proceed today? but we cannot go to the bus and to discuss own state with the states. but for our, our problem today is how to fight from us. and yes, i do agree that we have to say again and again into the game of the enemy and the people. this is why i say to these ladies,
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not all of the little agree with me unless we should speak the military go. yes, speaking all the way, i'm really sorry that you meant this. we should define it for lead to go. victory is not measured in meaning to do the 40 to get a dollar should be the revised zip costs it up to states if it takes us. but the concert, you know, we have to, we have to create a different story. what we are doing today. and this story should be, we are doing today because we are really good. so the world we bench is it was in order to defend our people. and how wise are you that having raised the issue of humanitarian hardship with israel in private america is now airing significant concerns in public i'm i one of the company is riley government afford to ignore
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those concerns. anthony black and come, the secretary of state said just last week while as well has the right to defend itself. the way it does so matters. it means food, water, medicine, and all the humanitarian. the systems must be able to flow into gaza. and so the people who need them as well doesn't seem to be taking too much concern with, with that structure. well, i, um, i totally agree. uh, but i was raised um the last sentence that is with zillow really care. i agree with money, jerry and uh, you know, issue, you maternity shoot, meaning, you know, uh human cell 3 and human and human, your people, you know, some people are dying. yes. um we, we, we have to take, you can't account. uh, we cannot measure it. but i don't see just um, but you're getting mentions of people these ways. well, uh, you know,
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being hostages uh, in the hands of us. uh, i see that, um we, we must be able to measure the concept big story without measuring human life. and these are bringing back these ladies, what keep met, children, uh, does he and, and, you know, you know, some people who are separate, you know, um the, from us president by whom said on his way back from his ralph, i was very blunt with these railways israel has been badly victimized, but you know, the truth is that if they have an opportunity to relieve suffering of people who have know where to go, that is what they should do. that's a really blunt public morning, isn't, is i see that here besides exactly, and i totally agree that we have to keep in mind and we have to try to do more
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to avoid as much as we can do and stuff. or do you think it's right and stuff like that? i think that we try to do it and i sit and i, i will repeat it again and begin to begin. uh, if somebody can advise us northwest to know what not to but how will destroy the military couple of people unless we our human separate. i am ready to uh, produce every advice but what was happening. you know, uh people, you know, don't forget um the violence and the cruelty um is that we face. exactly one months ago when we met it was low rate saxon um and um, and every time when we uh blade for human suffering.
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um, yes, i am ready to listen to every advice how to destroyed so many took up a meeting to tell us without doing new ones, trucks and the phone calls the gatekeepers. 2012, you talked about this. what happens when large numbers of people stopping killing through talking to the assassinations? you said suddenly, the process is become a kind of convey about you, ask yourself less and less. where to stop to ask you is that's what has been happening with is really a tax garza a convey about approach. no, it's uh, it's a, let's, let's what i said on the 2012 or i don't remember the exact when you still 32. um i think that, um we did manage states. um i see that you've made a mistake when we did not understand that but as the new people and in the way i totally agree is your own states. um, you know,
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um 3 agent or did not stop so phenomena from us. the way you see today, but we are discussing the bus and the bus before all of the states. there mistakes look at us. know because we are fighting now. it gives some see that we can not sit its existence. and while i try to explain that we should not forget the states of the future, but we have to stop by designing the future as the future should be to revive the idea the cost of the process that we $383.00 out of the states instead of trying to explain us. oh yeah, i mean it's already something the 5 um, what comes next? president biden has said that has to be
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a vision of what comes next. you've talked about reviving the idea of a 2 state solution, giving the palestinians a political perspective. do you see any sign of that vision from your government or is the war it's as far as that goes on? no it's uh that's why i don't see it when i use it. busy busy you know, coming to the stairs, but i want to be very honest with you. um, i cannot recent uh, but i see the change in buying them. you have to understand is way we own our own states is do a great them office and we slowly look today we see the day restored during the last uh, 6 months. as this is why i do it. i see when i meet people is asleep and i will give you one exam. it is exactly as you know, these ladies were uh about uh, 2 weeks ago. who should replace? how much?
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uh, when the box you guys uh would be creat. assuming that this would be reduced, 70 to 80 percent of these varies said it should be. but as you know towards now you quoted cheery months ago, which i'm not hearing back from the government guy you, the government has now i, i started to take the best security control of god often. and so no political perspective, the problem is that you listen to all the ministers and i listen to these ladies. and let me tell the students or something of those, this government is older. they don't know yet probably. but this government is, although you know why, because we are a dental office and when hundreds of thousands of soldiers would have come back from the bay that would not go back home. they would go to the streets and there wouldn't be. but this private minister as is coming to administer to
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disappear from o, like as this is, you know, if they're useful in order to reduce the to receive, oh, you're shouldn't police of all or maybe says your shouldn't listen to. busy but it should drive above the stairs that he's made. this is what you would hear from the people. you talk about a 2 state solution. and i'm wondering where you put those 2 states because israel has already said the jewish people have exclusive rights to the land contains within your car in borders or what's to that effect. so they fact, so amex ation has already taken place. hasn't that? what does that leave? what does that know to the news? so you're asking the question, which is based on the wrong assumptions. i seems a legally re state to be seen as centrals these various,
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accept zip concepts of that section. and even these people, you know, many of them are doing it because what we look after also when we were looking for security, we got general energy, father and mother you pointed out, you pointed out that the time that the brother stadiums who wanted to state got settlements didn't exactly. exactly. that's what was i got from one thing. oh no, it's not. richard kennedy. recapture is the only way to change the way we understand ourselves. is it changed your way of this? does the future or is this is there oh, oh, it is the society, but let's do something. this is a role every but because this is not on the opposed to the people as being as it is wednesday anymore is a regional conflict and really be stopping like even
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probably, i don't know is a global stability. because let's be remind you that the energy for all of the persian gulf, you know, uh, is it by to, for india and china is china inter. so everything is different. so i see that this is the change, the interest rate of euro america and everybody. jared about the bit again, this is why it is not only our goal, it should be the goal of everybody who care and use the overheads to change the perspective in which we see the future. and was people with believe that to do that you live a that's what, that's what the so doing and i was speaking with the leads. if you do that to the support, if you look up what's going on in the west bank, the secular violence against palestinians that has been reported and commented on
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by president biden recently. um, that doesn't give much cause for optimism. does it? you said this bottoms and the settlers responsible has to be held accountable and the violence had to stop. do you think the people who been committing these vials, forcing palestinians out of the homes and the villages in the west bank will be held to account? um, i cannot tell you exactly what really happened, but i totally agree with president, but i see just what i can look to do. but i do believe i know what made noise mazda symptoms are doing today because it was big. he's a jewish there and i totally disagree with what they do and i see the 80 hours, but it's
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a really easy way to respond to be stop. and if you ask me whether we are doing or what should i would you know? i think that we should do much more of do you stop? yes, we are comfortable and they should be all you've spent a lifetime dealing and fox. how do you rate the chances of anything good emerging from this terrible war? but let me give you something about what happened on the 7th. um, everything loves the way we understand our sense. the way we understood our enemies . the way we understand or rent. delivery understands it was and we shall have to build it from the very beginning. but when i see that collapse is always the rushing little closer in which we
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understood the big decisions. so we, i used to say that, you know, if i, or if i have to face the problem, i have to try to measure all, 1st of all, to look for the details as it back to us and said to measure integrated scenarios every, see the calculator and if i can not tell you what would be the reason the scenario is always the positive. so i'm not going to do it the only way, the only way for me. and many people tell me that i most that i know you. i mostly i really, i just because it every other tool terrace. the only way get out is to say ok, i like jump into the future. and i would describe this way for you to know. we
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mentioned the founding, the gatekeepers that you and of a form that heads up shouldn't. but i talked about successes and failures during your time in service. um but that was 2 statements that stood out. this was in 20121 was from kami gillan, who said that weight is really easy, said i'm making the lives of millions unbearable and some other. i'm charlotte, who remarked, we have become cruel to ourselves as well, but mainly to the occupied population. did you agree with those statements in 2012 and they're so do you spell agree with them? yes. i told you that we we made we made every mistake. uh, the only way to understand is to us. oh come. why did we do it? and we did it because we lost confidence achieving security because really the
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states but, but it's do you mean did research as well as you mentioned, the direct, there are 2 conflicting, conflicting americans receive on the own or 60, on the matter. and the only people who can see bose now are sitting in london, you know, america in a different planet. this is your role to help us if you really care about us. yes, they're not all of the states. but do, let's do unions, districts instead of us to see each other a va loan, thank you very much for being on complex sounds. good to see. thank you very much. thank you very much. the
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this is the, the, the news coming to live from berlin. us says israel has agreed to daily for our military pauses in northern gauze. the white house has called in of significant 1st up. but as the funding continues inside the territory, there has been no official confirmation from israel, of a formal plan. also coming up ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice we talked to the families of israel's young con, scripts sent to the front line for the 1st time the .

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