this is the doing of the industrial age, replacing fossil fuels with renewable energy around the world. is this really possible documentary, the renewable revenue november 25th on d w. as the conflict and gaza intensifies a public warning from the united states as well, needs to do more to protect the palestinian civilians. if you have an opportunity to alleviate this, hey, you should doing period. and if you don't, you're going to lose credibility roll eyes like this, this week, for me as well, is on the aisle on format. heads is the should invest for countries in terms of security service with is ro he'd be us warning. if somebody can advise us northwest not what,

not just how. throwing the military of us. we our human separate. i am ready to release every advice. so what happens next? this is ralph government, have a planet and for the future, and come everything good. be salvaged once this war is over. i mean, i'm on welcome to complex on thank you for the invitation. you said last month, so this is where i went ahead with the ground. invasion of garza, many is really soldiers. and many more palestinians would die. is there a point in your view at which the human price of as well as its being forward, becomes too high for you as well? no, uh no because of 2 reasons. um i yeah, i never knew how to measure human life. and i cannot compare it to any media

treatment. so i, i never could give a an honest answer to this question. but the more you yes, these are your, the, since the, from the very 1st day. so uh and you asked me about um, some change just for me. um i have to, um, i have to drive visionary human lives. and um, luckily, be on the other side. so the concept of victory uh, which ease, uh, very unclear today, should be major. but human life is something that i find very, very difficult to do. um i am ready to speak about um the goal of um, obviously is to be taken pay or the goals or what they're doing today. but i cannot give you an honest answer to measure these go human like let me put it

another way. are, are you comfortable with 1st the, the total blockade of gaza and then the me, good humanitarian supplies that are being allowed to trickle into the strip. i us because i wonder what the military value is of cutting off food medicine and water to a 1000 civilians in order to um, to measure uh, to evaluate what we are doing. um i cannot tell you an honest answer when i but last minute when you want me to, to, to measure we can human life. but i can tell you what we are by what you and um and i see i believe, and i totally believe it is me that the less uh she leaves um will be due when we are trying to achieve our goal. um,

zip concept or victory. uh we'd be, we would give us any sense. so uh, what to try to do now is to destroy the military. we as a mediator, a couple of people come us, which means of the sell. and i believe that this is um, this is the only way for us to create a reality reach. bose is where the students would be able to leave in a totally different address. but you your suggesting that the methods that is well is using that the mountains are justified because of the end goal? is that right? no, no, no, no, i live i, i lived to be to the community. so 2 years ago and, and i lived in addition back,

which is the intelligence community 25 years ago. so i'm not sure that i'm in a position to advise to our military general us. um, exactly what to do. um, or what i can say is that i see that one of the major parameters should be to do as less as possible severely. and to make sure that every by the loading these ladies people are leaving, you're going to send the permission to ever seen in order to achieve this goal. and during mine, especially to you, people who are leaving outside the how much we don't ever seek in order to use these people as did you mention. so it is a sort of a c metric country. and i've seen metric the way zipped re. we measurement like your present a hot dog set on october,

the 13th. it's an entire nation out there that is responsible. he was talking about the gardens. it's not true. this rhetoric that civilians were not aware not involved, they could have risen up. they couldn't afford this evil regime. do go along with that. no, i totally disagree. uh, i must look elected by the people who lives in doesn't. i must older like kelly, but the people at the funeral, outdoor the uh, you know, uh, security uh, security people. so i totally disagree. i see that we have to start substitute city, which is still going to be for, for what i understand of presidents that we do not read well, is it published? do you need people read a little kid? well, with the 1st union, you know, so it, while leaving, god says, hey,

how about i must be full, these war of the boat to between 20 to 60 percent of the students who are b, b, w. so as a low tech zip power, how much is usually these meetings are all, are not on the against us. so our, our, our enemies from us, by the way, that little, it's very like i just, they let the concept. busy circulation and all that, you know, uh, january is when you was bold doing the 70s of ages. they are killing civilians like isis. so our goal is to destroy the meaning of ability as a be able to stop and not looking for students. we do not have more, we the people and if you, in fact,

tremendous hardship on those palestinian people in the course of fighting home us, that's just collateral damage. is it? that's just like, you know, you know i, i do a lot of damage. i see just um, you know, we, uh, we keep people um, but uh, but the track um i don't want to tell you what you and your family gave you an upcoming stuff and good luck. it should be good for me to rid of them. but at least i know, i know most of the general or the general it seems that there is an idea. i know. and i know that jiggly, don't ever received a book, you know, to avoid what you call the damage. and i'd say, well, a full uh, the key of all subjects and, and that's it, but we,

we are calling it because the reality in which or less side of what people are bold leaving is ladies and on the other side is a boulder. how much control but a studious is unacceptable anymore. you are stupid, you know, you know, the look to see and probably we made many mistakes and i blame my problem. let's do blame for, you know, create a boss because a deeper level, even the proceed today. but we cannot go to the bus and to discuss own state would you states. but for our, our problem today is how to fight from us. and yes, i do agree that we have to say again and again in the game of the enemy and

the people. this is why i say to these ladies, not all of the little agree with me unless we should speak the military go. yes, speaking all the way, well really sorry to treatments, maybe very good on this. we should define it for lead to go. the victory is not measured in meter, to the 40 to get a dollar should be the revised zip costs it up to states. it would take us, but the concert, you know, we have to, we have to create a different story. what we are doing today. and this story should be, we are doing today because we are quite really, each other work. revenge is it was in order to defend our people. how wise are you that having raised the issue of humanitarian hardship with israel in private america is now airing significant concerns in public?

am i one the company is really government afford to ignore those concerns? anthony black and come, the secretary of state said just last week, while as well as the right to defend itself, the way it does so matters, it means food, water medicine, another humanitarian, the systems must be able to flow into gaza. and so the people who need them as well doesn't seem to be taking too much concern with that structure. well, i, um, i totally agree. uh, but i was raised um the last sentence that is with zillow really care. i agree with money, jerry and uh, no issue. you maternity, she meaning, you know, uh human cell 3 and human and human. uh you want your people, you know, some people are dying. yes. um we, we, we have to take, you can't account. uh, we cannot measure it, but i don't see just um,

but you're getting mentions of people these ways. well, uh, you know, being hostages uh in the hands of us. i see that, um we, we will not be able to measure the concept big story without measuring human lives . and these are bringing back up these ladies. what keep met, children, uh, does he and, and, you know, you know, some people who are suffering, know, is the answer from us president, by whom said on his way back from his ralph, i was very blunt with these railways. israel has been badly victimized, but you know, the truth is that if they have an opportunity to relieve suffering of people who have know where to go, that is what they should do. that's a really blunt publish mode and using this i see just here besides exactly, and i totally agree that we have to keep in mind and we have to try to do more

to avoid as much as we can do much stuff. or do you think you're trying to strike back? i think the 3 i try to delete um and uh i sit and i, i, i will repeat it again and again to begin. uh, if somebody can advise us northwest to know what not to do, but how would destroy the military couple of people unless we our human separate. i am ready to police every advice. but what has happened, e, you know, uh, people, you know, the forget the violence and the cruelty. um, zip we face. exactly one months ago when we met it was right in stockton. um and um, and every time when we uh blade for human suffering.

um yes, i am ready to reset every advice how to destroyed so many committed to us without doing new ones, trucks and the phone calls the gatekeepers. 2012, you talked about this. what happens when large numbers of people stopping killing through talking to the assassinations? you said suddenly, the process is become a kind of convey about you oswell south less and less. where to stop to ask you is that's what is being happening with is really a tax, gaza a convey about approach? no, it's, uh, it's a let's, let's what i say to 2 to 2012. ready i don't remember exactly when you still 32. um i think that um we did manage states. i see that you've made a mistake when we did not understand suppose the new people and in a way i totally agree is your own states. um, you know,

um the agent or did not stop so phenomena from us. so we receive today, but we are discussing the bus and that bus before all the states, their mistakes look at us know because we are fighting now. it gives some see that we can not 6 its existence. and while i'm trying to explain that we should not forget the states of the future. but we have to stop by designing the future as the future should be to revive the idea the costs of the process that we $383.00 out of the states. instead of trying to explain how you of the military config file and what comes next. president biden has said that has to be

a vision of what comes next. you've talked about reviving the idea of a 2 state solution, giving the palestinians a political perspective. do you see any sign of that vision from your government or is the war? it's as far as that goes on. no, it's, uh, that's why i don't see it when i recently. busy or, you know, coming to the stairs, but i want to be very honest with you. um, i cannot recent zip. uh, but i see the change in buying them. you have to understand is way we sold our steaks is a great developers. and we solely look today we see the day we started doing the last uh, 6 months as this is why i do it. i see when i meet people is asleep. and i will give you one example is exactly, you know, is ladies were uh about, uh, 2 weeks ago. oh, should replace. how much?

uh, with the box you guys. uh, would it be $38.00. assuming that people would be reduced 70 to 80 percent of these ladies said it should be part of you know, storage, you know, you quoted cheery months ago, but i'm not hearing back from the government guy. you the government just now i think it's going to take go best security control of god often. and so no political perspective. the problem is if you listen to all the ministers and obviously disease rates and let me just see something of those. this government is older, they don't know yet probably. but this government is, although you know why, because we are a democrats, edwin. hundreds of thousands of soldiers would have come back from just a pain that would not go back home. they would go to the streets. there wouldn't be

much this prime minister as this coming to administer to disappear from all like and disease, you know, if they're useful in order to reciprocal received oh, you're shouldn't listen to all or maybe says your shouldn't listen to. busy but it should drive above the stairs. there is a, it is, this is what you would hear from these other people that you talk about a 2 state solution. and i'm wondering where you put those 2 states because israel has already said the jewish people have exclusive rights to the land contains within your car in borders or what's to that effect. so they fact, so i'm ex ation has already taken place, hasn't that? what does that mean? what does that know for the news? so you're asking the question, which is based on 2 or 3 wrong assumptions. i see that all the only 3 said to be in the sense of these various,

accept zip concepts of that section. and even these people, you know, many of them are doing it because what we look after also when we were looking for security, we got general and if you further and you pointed out, you pointed out at the time that the stadiums who wanted to state got settlements didn't exactly. exactly. that's what was i got from one thing. oh no, it's not. we could change it. we could just as the only way to change the way we understand ourselves, is it changed a way to understand the future or is this is there oh, oh, there is a society. but let me tell you something. this is a role every but because it is not on the same as it is wednesday anymore is a regional conflict and really be stopping like even

probably i don't know is the global stability. because let me remind you that the energy from the persian gulf, you know, uh, is it by to, for india in china. if china is enter, so everything is different. so i see that this is the change, the interest rate of euro america and everybody. jared about the bit again, this is why it is not only our goal, it should be the goal of everybody will get and it gives you overheads to change the prospective in which we see the future. and was people with believe that to do that to you of a, as this was the, that's what the sold union i was speaking with, believes if you do that to the support. if you look at what's going on in the west

bank, the secular violence against palestinians that has been reported and commented on by president biden recently. um that doesn't give much cause for optimism. does it? you said this bottoms and the circle is responsible has to be held accountable and the violence had to stop. do you think the people who been committing these vials, forcing palestinians out of the homes and the villages in the west bank will be held to account? uh, i cannot tell you exactly what really happened, but i totally agree with president, but i see just what i can look to do, but i do believe i know what made noise mazda symptoms are doing today because it was big ease at 20 and i totally disagree with what they do and i see the 80 hours, but it's

a really easy way to responsibly stop. and if you ask me whether we agree or what should i would you know, i see that we should do much more of you to stop. yes, we are comfortable and they should be, i know you've spent a lifetime dealing in fox. how do you rate the chances of anything good emerging from this terrible war? but let me give you something about what's happened on the 7th and everything. but that's the way we understand ourselves. the way we understood our enemies, the way we understand or rent delivery understands award, and we shall have to do is with some of the very beginning. but what i see the collapse is was it russia

a little closer in which we understood the big decisions. so we are used to see that, you know, uh if i or if i have to face the problem. um, i have to like to measure uh, 1st of all, to look for the details of the factors and certain measure integrated scenarios. everything is good. and if i can not tell you what would be the reason of the sonata, if any of your or the parking. so i'm not going to do it the only way, the only way for me. and many people tell me that i most, that's the time that i mostly i really, i just because in, in the reality of tears, the only way get out is to say ok, i would jump into the future. and i would describe is way for you to know,

we mentioned the founding, the gatekeepers that you and of a form that heads up shouldn't. but i talked about successes and failures during your time in service. um, but there were 2 statements that stood out. this was in 2012, one was from kami gillan, who said that we is rarely c said are making the lives of millions unbearable and some of her arms shut long. who remarked, we have become cruel to ourselves as well, but mainly to the occupied population. did you agree with those statements in 2012? and if so, do you still agree with them? yes. i told you that we we made we made every mistake. the only way to understand is to us outcome. why did we do it? and we did it because we lost confidence achieving security because we've,

we've used. busy but, but it's, do you need the states as well as you mentioned, the right the up to conflict. conflicting the receipt on the own or 60, on the matter. and the only people who can see bose now are sitting in london. you know, america in a different plan, this is your role to help us. if you really care about us. yes, they're not all of the states, but do, let's do. unions serviced and tell us to see each other a va loan. thank you very much for being on complex sounds. good to see. thank you very much. thank you very much. the

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