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is biggest, i'll see for hospitals saying the members of the terra group are hiding among the patients, come off of leaders using tunnels underground as a war root. a mouse has denied this as these really war against them off enters its 6th week, is really forced to say that they have reached the gates of the chief a hospital complex. is this more about to take a decisive turn, bringing israel closer to its goal of taking out time off. and what about the people, the doctors, the sick trapped inside? what is about to happen to them? i break off in berlin. this is the day the we us for i need immediate pauses saying that little, not a single 1. 171 fours were deliberately doing everything, everything in our power to target the terrorists. and the civilians,
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as happens in every legitimate wars, are sometimes what are called collateral damage. we need, you might have charity and see sparks, and we need an urgency. if we want to have these, we have to distort from us. this is what is role must doing. this is what is a will also coming out. remember form where he was you k prime minister, david cameron, the man who gambled on breaks it and last, well, he's back as the u. k is new and very unexpected. for in secretary, well i know it's not usual for a prime minister to come back in this way, but i believe in public service. that's why i'm getting the job and i'm the device to except for to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states. and to all of you around the world, welcome. we begin today with the biggest hospital in gaza and on the verge of flat lining. israel's war against a moss has entered its 6th week and hospitals inside got there are now on the front
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lines on president. it is really rocket attacks and force tens of thousands to flee their homes with know where to go. many are sheltering inside hospitals and that includes the el cheapo hospital, the largest inside the gaza strip. doctors have described the situation inside as catastrophic with their power. patients are reportedly dying. surgery is taking place under the light of cellphones outside. israel says that its soldiers have reached the gates of l chief. we have more industry for stretching up a headwind by the light of a mobile phone, doctors and hospitals and news and gaza struggling to save patients. here too, at the aisle she for hospital, they are running out to few water and medical supplies and a vulnerable to the ongoing is really strikes and the area
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has to be done and the the last examiners to pose with a nice seal. it is another bravest who assisted it goes to be done was thought to get the director today until our $24.00 specialist in pacific are going to do with kids to tonight. there is no service for the video to. busy vision and the north in israel denies targeting civilians and says that this footage is pre students ministry provided the al she for hospital with 300 lead to the fuel for its generators. but that it was rejected by her mouth. we offer it actually last nights to give them enough fuel to operate the hospital operate incubators and so on because we are fully, obviously nobody with the patients or civilians at all. and i think every civilian death, every day be, is
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a tragedy. but that tragedies should be placed squarely at the responsibility of hamas that is keeping its military installations inside hospitals is command post inside hospitals inside schools, inside andre u. n. facilities. and so on. the director of, i'll, she, for his denied rejecting the few, which he says would not have been enough to power the hospitals generate as for even one hour. the lessening situation in northern goza is forcing thousands to flee southwards, mostly on foot. even some health workers have made the decision to leave a little of gun stuff in the on the left side of the situation last night. first of every 10, very extreme, one of the bomb being targeted schools and hospitals. i'm that i work for the office of the ministry of health care at the hospital and the on the amount of this i'm gonna use the date. the certainly, i mean for me at the hospital, i work on that. if it's why today is that i did not go to work awful sort of my
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duties and those to hammond tens of thousands of all ready for the ongoing missile strikes and ground operation. israel is coming under increasing international pressure to minimize civilian suffering in garza so what is happening inside the chief of hospital tonight to find out i spoke by phone with the head of surgery. s l chief of dr. moore, one of those on to yes, this is inside the hospital. no one can get outside door and come inside is, is special. the using, the ambulance is not what else is getting from that she fall or coming for the she falls with that we are in the tennessee and mall and most of the building on the finish, the north field. no water for even best and on the was on no, no food on so, and we are having here in this supposed to be done now around 600 in just the was bought. okay. the beauties in the deposit, the gloucester,
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that we're having now will out of 10, but i bless them from getting unit that i see unit. we are having babies. death to 6. there is a live and they are blessed in the lovely the see about a blessed in one on the man. yes, you can see that the, we have to be that because the lady why we move the from the unit and unit because days later on bought this extra digital data and the due to lack of focuses on most . so folks are generally a lot of these lots of this deal with the babies. and also if we would like to run this generate as adults, again, we need to meet them 1st of all. and secondly, we need to deal with so, and you know that, and then at the addition to that we have that is, is that in, in the case of damages you and it's been there since was adding to end distance between understand and they have to put them on the machine for the kidney. dialysis. yes. unfortunately towards the staff that day we've had not succeed lorenzo machines because we need to like the state and we need that. he said he met
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the doctor or we cannot do this. then she says, is that what is doctor more one of those out of their head of the surgery at el cheapo hospital speaking with me earlier on doing now by the middle east. analysts nathan parole, mister pro is a former director of the arab israeli project at the international crisis group. he's also the author of numerous books on these really tell us you need conflict, including his latest, which is called a day in the life of a bit. so lama, anatomy of a jerusalem tragedy. it's still, it's good to have you with this tonight. your book. it starts with the traffic, the accidental palace to be in school bus overturns children are killed and, and from there you describe the tragedy. that is the, is really the palestinians and their conflict. what goes through your mind when you, when you see the images of these hospitals in gauze and now places of healing that are now places of, of suffering and death. you know, i've,
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i've never felt this much despair over the future of israel palestine. this is on a scale that we have not seen before, and it is a our risk tragedy. i mean the, the amount of deaf, the amount of civilian deaths and 74 percent of those killed in gaza. now are women children and the elderly. and we need to find a way to stop this immediately. i want to let our viewers know you are a jewish american. you've lived in the us, you, you now live in jerusalem. on october 7th, the the terror attacks of that date. did they change your perception of where it is that you live right now? absolutely. i mean, uh, you know, i think the,
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the is the consequences of october 7th and this war for both societies cannot be overstated. the, there, this is going to be a decades long effect of this war on, on both societies. and for the 1st time in my life, you know, i can imagine civil on civil conflict. i can imagine this spreading easily to the west bank. it's already, we have a huge surge of a violence of settler violence in the west bank over a 1000 palestinians have been displaced just since october 7th. but what we're seeing right now is really something we have never seen before and israel palestine . mm hm. and what you're, what you're describing there, what you fear could happen. that would be a h, a victory for her boss. with that done with the leadership. emotions said that one goal of the october 7th terror attacks was to create a permanent state of war for israel. yes, i mean the,
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the victory for him ass will be 1st of all, if they receive a massive prisoner exchange, as many as railways are, are contemplating doing right now, that will have been a political victory that no other palestinian political party will achieve the issue of palestinian prisoners is something that touches every palestinian family, even if they don't have a member of the extended family in jail. now every accepted family is had members in jail, we're talking about, you know, 40 percent of the adult male population that's been imprisoned at one time. and so that would be the 1st victory for him, us in the 2nd victory for him as well, and simply to be, to survive this war and remain in place israel as of allying that that won't be the case. i don't know any serious military analyst who really believes that
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a mass will be eradicated by this war. so what we're looking at in one way or another is a situation that israel ends this conflict very far short of its goals and mass remains in place. and we are the world remain living with a situation of a deep injustice where 7000000 palestinians, 7000000 jews are all living under is really rule. and the vast majority of those palestinians are living without basic civil rights. and that's a situation that has to be addressed when we're thinking about the day after ending the immediate bloodshed and god. what would you say that the the terror attack on october 7th, what did it due to the ability to criticize these really government, its policies, its leaders without being accused of being anti semitic? i mean,
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it's made it much more difficult in the west and even in inside of israel, you've seen these really journalists, you've seen palestinian citizens of israel, whose speech has been curtailed and uh, and of course in, in europe and the us we see all kinds of voices being silenced and the main tool to silence them is the accusation of anti semitism. for a year is pro is real advocates have used as a totally illegitimate definition of anti semitism. that includes things like a stating that the state of israel is racist. and you know, the way that races use these days, it's not the 19th century version of uh, you know, 4 different archetypes of, of humanity. the races used broadly in international law to include any kind of ethnic or religious or, or racial or other discrimination. and,
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and that kind of discrimination plainly is practiced by the state of israel. but you're not allowed to say that without falling in violation of the so called h r. a definition of an entice semitism, which is the international health costs rememberance associations definition. and that definition has been spread across europe and united states and made it very, very difficult to speak honestly about what israel is doing against palestinians. the fact that it is a form of ethnic domination that is at its core, discriminatory and uh, and this comes at the expense of the real battle against an anti semitism which is coming large lead from right wing races. not those who are trying to defend against regimes of ethnic domination as the jewish and german american author. debra fell. she lives here in germany. she wrote
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a guest commentary piece that was in today's guardian newspaper. and in that is she writes that the german government's unconditional support for israel allows it to ignore the way dissenting jews in germany are being thrown under the bus as they are in israel. i mean, do you agree with her or are you, would you be thrown under the bus? i mean, is real by saying what you're saying to us in public there? well, i mean, you be, we don't need to go to hypotheticals. we can see that the palestinian citizens of israel were arrested just a few days ago, including former members of the class. it the parliament for holding a peaceful attempting to hold a peaceful demonstration against calling for a cease fire in gaza. and we see that, you know, and ultra orthodox jewish journalist, israel fried, was attacked at his home, merely for reciting a prayer for the dead in gaza, the innocent dead in gaza. so it is,
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it is an environment of extreme hostility. and there is a great deal of desire for vengeance which his being echoed by his railey leaders, such as the president of israel, who said that there are no innocence in god, said that the entire population of gaza should be held responsible for october 7th, which is clearly setting the stage for the collective punishment and death of thousands of innocence. so let me ask you before we run out of time, i'm just get your thoughts on what we we are seeing now across europe and in the united states last week. and there were some 300000 people at a pro palestine, pro palestinian march in london. it was the largest such demonstration we've seen since this conflict broke out. but there were also hamas bandanas being born there were signs reading, you know, you came politicians should be a friend of is real and they were, we also reports and people chanting from the river to the see,
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what did you say about that? there's, there's real fear that what is happening, where you are, is being exported to europe in the us in, in the form of militant, is witnessed goals of violence. they are as well what, what do you say about that or so i, i think we need to disentangle a few of the different things that were mentioned at this protest the, the chance uh for 1st of all know you k politician should support the state of israel or whatever that slogan said, there is nothing anti semitic about that. i mean, there are many people who don't have a racist bone in their body. don't have an anti semitic bone in their body who don't want their government supporting a decades long system of investment. domination by the state of israel, that's there's nothing in the i submitted whatsoever about that. and, and similarly, you know, this the, the slogan from,
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from the river to the sea. i mean, many, many, many palestinians who support equal rights for all between the river and the sea chant the slogan, and they don't have any kind of extermination. just idea behind it. they have no desire to see the jews even leave to europe. they just want to have a quality. so i think that there is a very, very broad brush being painted right now against anyone standing in solidarity with palestinians. and of course yes, if there were a mass posters that's, that's something different. but say, i think as you can see from the images here displaying on this program. mm hm. those are not very prominent as far as i can see. other nathan through all we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. and we hope to talk with you again . thank you. thank you to and for what you need to know on these really how most of where you can get live updates as well as in depth
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analysis on our website and social media channels. you can always live stream this program the day on dw youtube channel. i think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. i will do everything i can is prime minister to study the ship over the coming weeks and months. but i do not think it will be right for me to try to be the captain, the stairs, or the country to its next destination. remember him that was former british prime minister david cameron back in 2016, announcing his own exit. just hours after the u. k voted for breakfast to leave the european union. david cameron has spent the past 7 years in, but some people would say it was the political wilderness, the man who gambled on a referendum that ended with britons. seismic breaks it busted up with europe today . another gamble by another british leader brought david cameron back to the front
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line of government as british foreign secretary, a few expected david cameron to arrive at 10 downing street today for his appointment is come back. maybe even more unlikely by the fact that he's currently not and elected lawmaker the rarely 5 prime minister reaching soon actually as part of a major cabinet shakeup, which also solved the replacement of his device of interior minister to ela, robin to the sax. after writing an article, accusing london's police and being too lenient with pro palestinian protest data. so a, i'm just and that is on december i reset in recently. so next conservative governments, here's what david cameron says that he has to offer now the private as the us be to do this job as a time where we have some daunting challenges as a country, the company to the middle east wall and ukraine. and of course,
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i hope that 6 is private as the 11 is the, the can subject by who gives me some useful experience in complex relationships and knowledge that i can hold private as the right i want to bring in, dw is charlotte shelton pill. she's been watching all of this from one day to day. i'm sure. as surprised as everyone else was. charlotte, um, let me start by telling folks about a link to whatsapp message from a conservative m p group that the media got their hands on today. it read or it reads, david cameron is an unelected for, and secretary appointed by an elected prime minister. if you could explain to our viewers how the and elected to david cameron, how does he get to be for administer as well? this is a very unusual move and as you mentioned that it really was a jewel dropping moment when it became clear that he was going to become a member of the government. once again read some reactions from people.
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he uh, how does this happen? well, it says something that might be useful to international use. it's not completely unprecedented. here in the u. k, it is possible to be a serving member of government. if you are a member of what, who the house of louis i see on the left to the house of commons here. and that's exactly what has happened in this case today. david cameron was made a note, he's now news, david cameron, with the paul, the him to take home as well, to lord david cameron, who is lord cameron accountable to that? if he's not accountable to the voters as well, that's really a good question because of course, as you said, he's on alexis, he's not been a member of palm and for a number of years now. famously he stepped down on the rocks that referendum the one he calls that a cool campaigns against a man in
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a sense of loss when it didn't go his way. he stepped down, he's been quite quiet, but ever since so no, i'd like to know accountable to constituents people in his diary that it's elected . yeah, of course of the criticism too because he's not as much accountable to southern as diploma. so could you call me sports nights by members of parliament? we did not an elective house of commons. he chan onto questions in the house. the house news, but a lot of questions and saying the time like this, particularly such an important role. and there's so many international challenges he really has to be storage not now. that is something that i was where i would say was the space as me to the house of commons to see had said, given the gravity of the current situation, looking into options to be shown on making some switching off. and so that's something i would expect to see somebody is charlotte, did the prime minister really seem like, did he give any explanation of why he would choose the former prime minister, our prime minister, who he read. we have to say that he who resigned in failure as well, he might,
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it won't seem like a choice that you would expect from pharmacist, minnesota. she said that he needs a, a difficult, challenging legacy in some way to 0 alluding to that he's not popular. great, the popular with the breakfast, benches, and course the breakfast report is was meant to been met. that means is it possible to see campaigns against it and for a maintenance as well as still a little box that they can quote this night. so it's not necessarily the most popular, even before the fees, and they'll be in scandal as well. why he's, he's surprised, he's pretty very syrians. he wants to elections, he uh well connected to a food as well holding sub form and assess himself. and i think ya, where she see my full see on the election is coming up in the next year, is in a statement she put on social media. you can get in points and start ready. you send me today. we built the united team ready to deliver the changes this policy
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needs for the long time, professionalism, integrity, and experience. this is a team that will be for making the right decision. charlotte, before we have to say goodbye. what about the prime minister's decision today? also to sac his outspoken interior minister and what's been the reaction to that stop has been expected. i have to say is interior means to swell a brave man and hit the headlines. a series of very, very controversial comments. recently, most recently, she was seen at a decision that she had to meet the fire department. i think he was quoted me as a result that was expected. what were you saying? he had said, you know, the news from his phone rides, the coffee politician and the grooming is david cameron c as well. motorist as he's pretty certain his chips in a how does the next election with the whole motorist side of the coffee and forces such as himself on that this friction with the,
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the rights and members. okay. policy and of course the most to be seen just what they need to turn around the face of the cartridge is really not being in the falls with this move ahead. yeah. yeah, i am sure. a lot of people who have followed break to would look at today and think the more things change, the more they stay, the same, the w's charlie chosen, feel it from who i did tonight. as always, charlotte, thank this. the day is almost done. the conversation continues online, you'll find this on ex, formerly known as twitter, either dw news, you can probably be a branch off tv, and remember what ever happens between that one been tomorrow is another day. we'll see you then everybody, the,
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