to you, as president bivens says that he hopes and expects less intrusive action relative to hospitals and garza the white house also saying it does not want to see firefights and hospitals. clear messages from the us to israel from israel, a different message, a video released this week from inside guns as main children's hospital on display weapons and explosives, which israel points to as proof that hamas is using hospitals to hide and shield itself from attacks. and my says, all of these accusations are lost. i broke off in berlin. this is the day the we are 465 to happen. know, this kind of here isn't here. 4 major flights except by the best for terrorist to explode on along the hospital. a lot of patients in particular,

we called everybody to respect the hospitals. hospitals must not be made places of work. there must be also coming up as the desk told mountains and the hatred grows is the divide between jews and palestinians becoming too wide to bridge. tonight, the people proving it is not in the darkest. most paul, arising most difficult moment in the history of the 2 people's right now is choosing to like, actually work together to our viewers on pbs in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome, we begin today with growing international concern over the situation at hospitals in gauze, up tonight, a spokesman for you in the chief antonio. good to have this says that he is deeply

disturbed by the dramatic loss of life at hospitals in the gaza strip. and once again, he is called for an immediate cease fire in quote, the name of humanity. and the sprawling al chief of medical complex has become a make shift cam for thousands of people who have lost their homes in his regular years strikes a shelter for the homeless. and yet it's still a hospital for the sick. the world health organization says the doctors are still doing all they can to care for patients despite and having the water for electricity. everyone in that hospital is a n o really, really the situation old a lot us, so it's records. so we as a, will have to find a way to help them. the best way would be to stop the hostilities right now. focus on saving lives, not taking loss is really takes, have been circle the chief hospital. the idea of claiming that tomas is using the

facility as its main command center medical professionals working beer, deny the is really allegations of the stand off at all. she comes as is really forces push deeper into gaza city in their bid to destroy him off the i. d. f now says that it is taking over the homos parliament there and other government buildings. and this too is being disputed. you, as president biden has urged, is real to protect civilians at el cheapo hospital and to use quote, less intrusive tactics. here's more now from journalist sammy circle in jerusalem. so i can tell you that the americans are also suggesting that there will be an executive ration from the she for hospital that will be done by a 3rd party. that means that there will be some international force that will come and solve this problem. because is run is determine and these really military is

determined to take over the she for hospice, in the idea of spokesperson administer the defensive. only been saying that this she saw hospice in and under the she for hospital is where you will have how mosse the fighters and they're talking about the network of tunnels that exist in the gaza strip that are used by how moss and the the link together with the she felt hospitality and the view she for hospitalization, military target and we just started the other day. the a is really a foreign minister say that it believe it was the. yeah, there will be international pressure on his right in 2 or 3 weeks. that means the 2 now is one does not really see the 3 is pressure on is israel is a jewish state, but it's also home to a mixed population that includes about 20 percent ethnic errands, many of whom identified as palestinians. and they often face discrimination with

tensions in the region. once again, flaring one group of active isn't israel is trying to promote solidarity across ethnic laws, the w's all your abraham reports tonight from hyphen a sight to behold. this room contains right now. color simeon and june. actually in the darkest, most paula, rising. most difficult moments in the history efforts to people's right now is choosing to like actually work through the want to send a message. you cannot be repeated in means of public sales will remain here. and millions of jewish people will remain here. and that's effect. this meeting at a mosque in haifa is organized by standing together. the grassroots piece movement

made up of the jewish and palestinian citizens of israel activists, telling me such togetherness has been rare since the october 7th, how mazda attacks and that often demonstrations of solidarity in either direction or met. with rejection, we have friends, we have neighbors who have peers, we have colleagues who are jewish, who gotten deeply impacted and, and we, we were devastated by data. but even that was not something that was fully accepted by a lot of the jewish public. oh, you're hurting for us now, but so you can say identify some simeon, we do suffer from an cause for violence from being called being a traitor from insight men against us. joyce, people that are working toward space and are working to build so with our teeth,

i'm on tools and processing is the fact that we are even unable to fully experience and grief our people is, is like that. it's like the, the pedagogy of our side codes is our life experiences felt like i'm literally unable to fully 35 people. well, also like, like you're like on a mission to convince people you're human. like oh, good, i know people here believe deepening divisions and is really society make it all the more important to meet and to show empathy with one another song. so they put that empathy, quite literally center stage in defiance of local who, right, when groups,

which try to get the event cancelled. it's happening under tight security. it's more than just talking to volunteers visit places where muslims and jews work together like this hospital near. i saw the handed up thank you, cards to stuff written in arabic and hebrew. come out of a city is a post indian is really teacher who works at a pre dominant lead jewish school. it is important for me to be a role model for my students of the country and everyone around me. the visit is happening one month after the october 7th tear. it's so important to me out to a mac, the effect that we have to gather in this stuff here in many other places, very, very naturally to good naturedly to wear them is one of the back

of the assembly. i ask along the green, if he feels their movement speaks for the majority, is really society. no, but to all the society, the majority of society have the interest of the direction we want to go. i think dancer easy after the speech is attendees break up into small groups. the brainstorm more practical ways. they might spread their message and to convince more their fellow israelis to see each other. the way they do is an inspiring story there. my 1st gift tonight is omar bartels. he's a professor of holly cost in genocide studies at brown university and the author of numerous books on board you decided anti semitism. he has written on how the memory of the holocaust informs contemporary is really politics in an opinion piece for the new york times last week. and titled, what i believe as a historian of genocide, just a bunch of roads that we know from history that it is crucial to warn of the

potential for genocide before it occurs rather than belatedly condemn it after it has taken place. i think we still have that tar. mr. bunch of joints be tonight from cambridge, massachusetts, in the us. it's good to have you with this, mr. barge off. you obviously advocate a proactive approach. stop genocide before it starts. do you see the genesis a genocide in gaza? right now. yes, thank you for having me. um. yes, i think the we are very close to a humanitarian catastrophe. we may be seeing as in closing as we speak and that combined with the mass of disproportionate the killing of civilians may become general sir. you also write that the urge to label all

atrocious events as genocide tends to obfuscate reality rather than explain it. so this urge is that what we are seeing in these mass protests here in europe and on university campuses in the united states, a rush to judge or label something before the crime has been committed? yes, that's true. that's the other problem with the, with the term genocide, you know, this term was coined in the mid fourties and then became part of a un resolution and 1948 and it's a very specific crime. and i'm on the one hand, it is important to as you cited me, right, it's important to one above the potential genocide before top. if, because after it's happens, it's obviously too late. but at the same time, it is

a tendency because this is considered to be the crime of crimes, the worst crime one can imagine. to label anything that is atrocious, that is terrible that we object to as genocide. and i think that tends to obfuscate things rather than to clarify. then i understand that the, the legal or the academic definition of genocide, i understand that those are important. but one could say, or ask does it matter? i mean, the legal definitions, they mean little when the images of human suffering on a tremendous scale, tell us that seeing is believing. what do you say to them? i think it does matter. you know, i mean, in war many was civilians a killed then there's a great amount of suffering. and if you think, for instance, during the, during world war 2, the massive bombing of germany and which hundreds of thousands of civilian german

civilians were killed. and that was a war guess not to germany. no, see germany was carrying out of genocide the united states and britain. they were conducting strategic bombing, which might have been defined subsequently. it was not, but could have been as low cries, we're not engaged in general side. so when you show images such and images of suffering people, you need to contextualize them to know what, how to distinguish between one event and another. it's also important simply because we need to know if we a sliding toward that event toward genocide, crimes against humanity, a war crimes and the cleansing me or not. and showing those images on their own is not sufficient to make that determination. you know, being able to contextualize anything, it requires patience, time,

and also with knowledge of history. do you think in our social media world that we live in right now? the a news, a clock that is on 247. do we have those qualities today? you know, obviously no, i mean what we're seeing, you know, still going back to the war, the russian invasion of ukraine and now the war and go. so if you find the people that have short memories, they haven't studied history, and they are dependent a great deal in social media, which not only gives them only only tiny little segments of information but often keeps them in the bubble of that kind of information that they want to hear and that unfortunately, it doesn't help us know how to act in any given situation. i'm sure you're aware of

it. i'm germany has pledged full support for is real driven transfer aloft. schultz . he repeated that pledge today a take a listen to what he said is that the discussion to see israel has every right to defend itself against a mouse until guy from 9 to attack. those who are active as a mass spiders in gaza. 50 cent. that's kind of on acceptable, a master the again have the opportunity to to reestablish himself annoyed default gather weapons and attack israel to the amenities. and that's why we are clear on these issues and fields done by israel side, which team does i took the slides, mr. about to have when you hear those words notes, consider that and consider the people that i've spoken with this week i spoke yesterday with the author of nathan thrall, he and the german american author, deborah feldman, they both put forth the observation that germany's commitment to israel's survival and security leaves no room for any criticism of israel's government and its policies. in fact, in germany often criticism,

but these really state is tantamount to anti semitism. what are your thoughts about that? a look, i mean i, i grew up in israel, i, i grew up surrounded by holocaust survivors. i became a germany store and i so how would you have any shifted in the 1980s from generally denying any individual responsibility or even collective responsibility for the article is to create a thing of this memorial culture, which is very important. so from that perspective and also as it is really i can say, i agree with what the transfer says as far as israel writes inside duty to defend itself and its citizens. that is not the question. and i think it's a very nice the chance to assess the journey is a very powerful country and big player on the european scene and defending yourself

from atrocity responding to atrocity doesn't mean that you should do it yourself. and here i think germany could play an important role of festival in pointing out that interest is engaging now in what probably looks like a war crimes. and so that's, that's to me, a really important point. it's true that there is no culture in germany where it is very difficult to criticize intro without being accused of anti semitism. i've encountered that myself in germany and the 9 states. i think that's nonsense, of course. i mean, you should be able to criticize a country's policies without doubting its right to exist, which of course, israel has like any other country. mr. barton, do you really think that it's realistic for a german transferring german government to go public with, with that statement that we support is real, but we think what the government's doing right now could constitute

a war cry. do you think that germany would really ever, ever dare to say that? and i think it's, well, i mean, i think there's actually a growing shift in public opinion in germany, which is not yet to reflect the then it's a political and in many ways also intellectually leads. but i think we are seeing that shift in germany. we're seeing the shift in the united states, a younger generation is coming to the, for the much more critical of israel. i, i actually worry that this will create as a backlash against that as well, which i would not like to see. i would like to see a realistic criticism office really policies and the same time i would like that to do for us as well, to change this policy so that it would not be subjected to this. but right now, just criticism, dan, think of germany's approach to this rise and anti semitism is the right approach.

we got, we've seen some pro palestinian demonstrations for example. they have been banned due to fears of anti jewish and pro is, well, i'm a strange being given a public platform. do you think that's the right approach? you know, i think a success is and, and there's also the tendency in the germany not only in germany to, to associate demonstrations, it guess is ready policies with the arab or muslim elements in society. which is which actually ties and we go kind of treasure. this is in, in german society is in other european societies. there is a neo nazi pa, for right wing neo nazi movement in germany right now. and they're about this as i submitted because anybody can be me. so in some ways this focus on that

part of society reflects pressure. this is in german society which are a camouflaged by a, a sort of support for israel. so no, i don't think it's the right approach. of course germany and or other countries should respond to that. they said that this in a, at the 7th isn't, is a vile from sentiment, but not or criticism is i think submit it on social media. we see lots of people talking about the just the sheer number of people who seem to be moved by what is happening in gaza and is real. and they pose the question, why were there no mass demonstrations when arthur alessandra gene was killed in countless civilians during the civil war? there? why were there no protest or why are there no protests against the iranian regime and its treatment of women? and with that in mind, do you think that it's possible that there is too much focus, or even

a fetish ization of the is really palestinian conflict? possibly even. you know how it pertains to genesis a look, there is, i mean, it said it's a complicated the history, right? i mean, this rule was create this right off the article. so there is, in europe, in the united states, a particular attitudes toward israel, both a sensibility to it safety and so assess ability to what he does when he does something wrong. but israel also has presented itself always as the only democracy in the middle east. and so if it wants to be pot and it was moving toward becoming part really of euro, it wants to be part of that universe. it has to be measured by different standards, then the to the, to run a quote of the game of the bush, all

a side or of the ranger was a we don't expect much of go through machines, but we do from israel because it presents itself as such and it showed that i think it's, it's the right thing, but then you have to be also willing to be subjected to a different set of standards and criteria as to the way you behave is there are about to have we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight, very enlightening discussion. thank you. we have you come back. have a good evening. i. i think thank you very much. good evening. it is one of the world's most important relationships. the one between economic superpower is the us, china. but that relationship has not been going well for some time now, marked by suspicion, distrust competition, and hostility. so could there be a chance to reset things? the us and chinese presidents through boston and cheese and ping are due to hold highly anticipated, talked ahead of a summit of asia pacific leaders in san francisco. she has not been to the us since

2017 and the 2 leaders haven't seen each other in person in a year. here's a look at where that relationship stands. this was the last time the leaders of the 2 rivals, superpowers, met a year ago at the g. 20 meeting involved. much has changed since then. as the white house prepares for this long awaited summit between presidents abiding and she, it knows that it will be taking place against a geo political backdrop that has shifted significantly since the last time the 2 men met. the u. s. is now dealing with 2 wars, not just one, and it has every interest in preventing its most adversarial relationship from getting any more hostile. this includes tackling holdover is from past diplomatic disputes by se resuming military to military dialogue that was suspended after a visit from then us house speaker, nancy pelosi to taiwan, angered china. another low point in relations for us take down of

a chinese spied balloon earlier. this year, following months of diplomatic firefighting, analysts say the current climate has made it even more important for the us to minimize the chances of mishaps leading to more attention saved and paying will undoubtedly want to talk about taiwan pricing and buying remains firmly committed to defending taiwan, and he wants to strengthen deterrence to make sure that agent ping doesn't miscalculate and that he understands if he tries to use force against taiwan. there will be a great cost for china, but at the same time, i think that he wants to convey to sage and paying that the united states supports peaceful resolution of the differences between the $2.00 sides of the straight through dialogue that it does not envision that the outcome of this is necessarily going to be an independent taiwan, but stabilizing communication won't be biden's only aim in san francisco. it's also

expected that he will ask she to use his influence on iran to help prevent an expansion of the conflict in the middle east. something both washington and aging are keen to avoid. the china would not want to see a widening of this conflict. it depends on the middle east for about 50 percent of its energy and would not want to put that in jeopardy. and so they actually have an interest in preventing that water from widening if they think that that's unlikely, then they probably will not act. but if they see that risk is growing, then perhaps paging will at 8 back whatever she invited achieve or don't achieve with the talks. it's the talking itself that both sides want to use to project a concerted effort to manage the world the most difficult. but arguably, most important bilateral relationship. so this is the day we will see you tomorrow, [000:00:00;00]

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