the the, this is the, the, the news coming to line from berlin. israel says it's forces have entered garza's biggest hospital. the is really military says, specially trained troops or carrying of a targeted operation against a mouse in a specific area of the i'll ship a call. also coming up a chance for the us and china to warm up pro steve relations. trying to as leader arrives in san francisco for a summit of nations from the asian pacific region. the and us present joe biden will meet portfolio the 2nd time since by and took office and the stakes are held

on the pillow and terry martin. good, heavy with us. we're getting with the latest developments in the conflict in the middle east. israel's military says is, forces have entered garza's biggest hospital, l shaffer, the size of a long stand off the israel. defense forces, say, specially trained troops are carrying out a precise, targeted operation against from us in the specified area of the hospital. both sides say israel gave a warning that it would rate the hospital is really officials also said they are taking steps to avoid civilian casualties. or earlier we spoke with peter atlanta of the israel defense forces. he told us more about the operation as it is in a price on that of we are coming out and based on intelligence information. it is

a precise, targeted operation in a specific part of the a shift complex. and indeed, we are conducting this operation as part of our broader efforts in order to destroy the smells of how much time this terrace infrastructure and also retrieve and bring home the hostages. so we're conducting this operation over the overnight in order to achieve those goals. um, uh indeed it is a huge challenge it within the hospital complex. we have conducted extensive efforts over the last few days in order to evacuate the hospital in order to get people out of harm's way. and that's to spite from us as efforts to keep people in homes, right. as we went into the co founder, the complex we instructed people the on involved to keep away from the window center take cover. indeed, the operation is ongoing. we are conducting our operations in order to distinguish the civilian components of keeping recipients alto, problems, way, uh,

trying to minimize the effect of our operation on them. but there is a military necessity and never the less because of how, how much has utilized hospitals yesterday, we shared with the world how they tons of the rotc hospital into a come up and control position perhaps even holding hostages there. and this goes and this is just another part of that operation in order to degrade destroying, dismantled homeless as far as the infrastructure. and we also managed to speak with dr. mar, one of the side of the head of surgery at all. she for hospital and gaza city, he described what was happening there. the army informed us here in the hospital that they are going to be done and the stuff to stay away from the windows and so on to the inside that the, the, i am inside the building and the key it says with my colleagues here, i don't know what exactly is happening outside inside the whole seat that in

between the ball, but them in my see it in the theaters and the, you know, but as you can see it with my colleagues in that is to get you. i don't know what exactly is happening outside, i'm afraid not to go outside loading the windows and look at and to see what is happening because i am afraid of shooting some way that i the call because it was a huge issue within the for the one half an hour, this is the only way. so i am still in that is the area i live some of the windows with michael league. and we see what seemed have been. we have under additions while around $650.00 dishes inside of the hopes that we are providing for the minimum the kid doing some surgery, even without the oxygen because we don't, we are leg out of focuses and we don't see it on how to focus vision we are defended, we are an l, a c z a c o a they are giving this to you that with an id and a c a. and so venus and a sees. yeah. and they are sometimes using add uh,

an ad room. i will add interested the folks in general, one on the says, this is the only one we have, we are investigation and to be honest, yesterday we that is the bishop. we but it's this buttons and also we clean a lot of stuff here and with the combined and we clean the host with it from, from the okay that. and so on this issue, we have to keep working with our vision 600 the see 3 visions of it's been injured inside the ocean. noblest in get that can accommodate this. a huge number was even with this, this, the best solution is to have you and for these people inside the hospital. so give them the treatment to provide the kid until have a worth of source and attention with the best. and i mean was what the for the things which is needed, the work that is very important here. and without that, is she one we cannot put on our well, the, the, you know that the, when it should have been think on virginia under 50. i'm,

we don't have enough for the 50. we thought on knowledge innovation was crossover, do jerusalem? now correspondence semi circle is standing by there. so what more can you tell us about the situation at the l shape of hospital in augusta? well the is really military has now announced that the flies, the steam in gunmen were killed in cross fire and the but we're talking about the entrance of the hospital. so we know that the, the clashes arm class just as the entrance of the house. but then there's also a reports from the published thing and sources that those will be leaving the house, but then i'm being under fire. but when we're talking about the hospital, it says the only sure thing that we've heard it should think that maybe it was directed. those were looking out the windows, but we did not hear of any clashes woods inside the house, but then we don't hear of any resistance inside the house. but then these are

really administrators continuing its operation in various wards of the hospital and also in the areas of the basement of the house. but then there were some explosions that they were heard. but we, we, we still don't see whether they've actually encountered this a how much command that is really idea of has been talking about now we understand that there are still quite a few civilians in the hospital. of course, there's a medical personnel patient still there. what are you hearing about the number of civilians that are still in that hospital complex while this military operation is ongoing? yeah, well the, it's not very clear how many of the, you know, there is some someone was telling me that would to be about more than $10000.00 the

homeless in the hospital. but i believe that this number could have been less the because of, of people living in the house. but then, and so are there spend those well taking shelter and are in the hospital, but maybe not the same numbers that we had there in the past. now the us president joe biden has urged israel to protect civilians at all, shape a hospital and use what he says, what he's calling less intrusive tactics is likely to have any influence on me on israel's military operations. or like say, i can tell you the next cause a concern, not only about the patients in the hospital and the she for hosp with them, but they've also expressed concern of the flight of the hostages. and those who are headed captive inside the gaza strip. some of them are american citizens and they feed that this aggressive campaign that is really is waging inside the gaza strip.

the bombings from the a or a this could in danger. and not only patients, but also american citizens where a has a hostage and is rose in on this side. it's saying that if we continue with this military campaign that it's going for a long campaign that will last for, for many months. and that, uh, it least for now they don't seem that there is a strong international pressure. we heard the thing is really for administer who was speaking to diplomatic jealousy or in the, in the, in his read it was saying is up. and we expect this pressure to come in another 2 or 3 weeks. so the feeling is that there is a window of opportunity to frontier, that kind of thing. certainly. thank you very much. uh that was uh, a journalist,

somebody's suckle there in jerusalem. thank you very much. now let's uh, get more on the humanitarian situation in guys. we can speak now with james denzil . he is the head of conflict and humanitarian policy at save the children. you k, thanks for being with us. first of all, tell us what you make of the is really military operation inside the el cheapo hospital and goes to city a while, i think all eyes are on she the hospital and to see the scenes that we're seeing from hospitals that do have protected status. is on the international to see mass graves in these hospitals to see near natal units shots, a newborn babies. premature babies taken out several have died and i think in a way the face of those babies is a, this test of the international to our ability to get 8 into them,

an ability to protect them and then the ability to save their lives. so i think oh, lies understandably on cheap hospital this morning, but let's not forget, there are tens of thousands of palestinians, tens of thousands of children still in the north of gauze. i heard being cut off from even the smaller amounts of a has been managing to get into gaza since the 7th of october. and the renters events that happened then. so it's a really desperate time. and we're hearing about a public health crisis, which is adding, of course, to the, the high depth total and injuries whole, which hasn't been updated since friday. so we didn't really know what the consequence of this all the i'll shoot for hospital in gaza. city is the largest medical hospital in gaza, i understand is it possible for medical person now to provide care in this situation? spell the w h o. i said that that she the hospital and as, as, as well as hoff of causes, hospitals have ceased to function as hospitals. and i think the key question,

which goes back to you, one of your previous into terry with an idea representative is the question about if you can evacuate hospitals, where do you evacuate? and to remember the, in the most of operations, several years ago, there was a lot of field hospitals close. the front lines are the ones to millions came out of ices, controlled areas, they could be treated that. but if you evacuate very injured people from hospitals, but do not take them to other medical facilities or other hospitals, then you essentially assigning a deaf warranty. and so there's a, there's a huge kind of missing questionnaire about what happens when you evacuate causes hospitals that wish i'm not incredible strain, as you can imagine from the thousands of, of, of people who are being injured. and these are serious injuries, crushed injuries, blocked injuries, life changing injuries for children, lots of limbs, lots of organ function that will kind of, they will county for the rest of that on. james, if you can sit down with the warring parties yourself at a table,

what would you say to them directly as well? i've been trying to explain to them that the heaviest burden of this conflict is on this morning. the shoulders of than 1000000 children in gauze, let alone the children that are being taken into garza and are being held hostage. children all paying the ultimate price for this complex. and all i could trying hard for is that i don't see in the despair of children that needs to de escalate and find a way towards an effective as to monetary and see spa that allows us as a workers to do our job to reach children with team also with food, with medical help with all the protection services they said desperately need because that isn't happening at the moment. and of course the total is absolutely devastating. we know that children are the most vulnerable men, members of society and in wars. they are extremely vulnerable, but in this particular conflict, children seem to be disproportionately affected. how do you account for that?

well, unlike all the high intensity of in bottles to be seen over the last decade, the key element, the protection of children, has been the evacuation of children, the movement of children away from the front lines, all the conflict, whether that's in the mood or in a level in a most so that is not being possible in gaza because the population is, is trapped generally more or less. and there's been a few people come out a jo, nationals, a few inches, but very small numbers. so the majority to population, a very large child population of over a 1000000 causing children has not been able to leave an area that is being complete the on site. there's no safe placing off. there's no d conflicted space. and of course, when you see the largest hospital being rated as it is, that is testament to that. so i think that explains the, uh, the high a high numbers of children who are being close up in this. and that again,

should be a, a real clearing call to action from the international community. are james, thank you very much for taking time to talk with us today. that was james denzil at save the children u. k. well of course, there's also concern about the fate of the more than $200.00 hostages being held by homeless militants in gaza. there believe to be from some 2 dozen countries including argentina, which is home to one of the world's largest jewish communities. their families back home are desperate for news and reaching out to other countries for helping mediating to secure the hostages release. because rudolf is a teacher and volunteer at a jewish community center in pointless iris. she decorates the synagogue and organizes events. her cousin is among the argentine nationals kidnapped by almost a month ago a. so she last saw him on a family visit to israel 23 years ago,

but they kept in close touch. his name is leo rudolf. he's 61 years old. it's an advertise. it's a nightmare, isn't that a moment? there are nights i can sleep. so at 1st i was desperate to leave it on october 7th . he was the 1st person i sent me. so just to, i knew he would on somebody because he works in the curity or because i've, you have a letter, i mean, i student that he has to answer me in this. and he was the only one who didn't respond. a for legal can only say what i mean is that his 10 month old baby cleared the bus was also abducted from the youngest of 4 argentine children and teenagers being held by him. us argentina has the largest jewish community in latin america because a lot is demanding. so i think is really an argentine governments take action to secure the release of her cousin and the others. and this does say they'll say minus 2 weeks ago with the president of is ro promised my uncle. they would do

everything possible to find my cousins. but it's been a month now and nobody knows anything. so i'm demanding the odds in time government, the president and the foreign minister for you, and please do something instead of just standing behind the microphone, you put a photo gallery. earlier this month, president alberto fernandez and his foreign minister met with representatives of jewish organizations. among them, the delegation of origin time jewish associations. it's vice president said they handed over 858000 strong petition demanding the release of the hostages. hopes were raised more than 2 weeks ago after egypt and guitar mediated to secure the release of 2 is really into american women. okay, i've looked at the use us who are huge amount. the president, exhausted all means that it has disposal to make this happen through the united nations and the international red cross that i've seen. i said, yeah, wouldn't. okay, that would be

a good thing to make confidence in his voice. heard by the countries that are mediating 7 or 1111. dina journalist hyman rosenberg is covering the case from one of the country's largest daily newspapers. not feeling the boy they a realistically, what the options seem. governments can do is very limited on it. make contact with the palestinian authority and the westbank vanya, and there is no outs and change if the magic representation in gaza. and at the same time, it reached out to 2 countries, egypt and cut the end threat cross which could mediate in some way out of the data . and so because a lot and other relatives of hostages wait, and hope for news of their loved ones of us present, joe biden says he's determined to get relations with china back on track, trying his leader. she's in pain, has arrived in san francisco for us, some of the of nations from the asian pacific region. by then she will meet for

only the 2nd time since by and became president. and the stakes are high for both sides by and has said the us is not seeking to distance itself from china to this was the last time the leaders of the 2 rival superpowers met a year ago at the g. 20 meeting involved the much has changed since then. as the white house prepares for this long awaited summit between presidents abiding and she, it knows that it will be taking place against a geo political backdrop that has shifted significantly since the last time the 2 men met. the u. s. is now dealing with 2 wars, not just one. and it has every interest in preventing its most adversarial relationship from getting any more hostile. this includes tackling hold overs from past diplomatic disputes by say, resuming military to military dialogue that was suspended after a visit from then us house speaker, nancy pelosi to taiwan, angered china. another low point in relations for us take down of

a chinese 5 balloon earlier this year. following months of diplomatic fire fighting analysts say the current climate has made it even more important for the us to minimize the chances of mishaps leading to more attention saved and paying will undoubtedly want to talk about taiwan. president biden remains firmly committed to defending taiwan and he wants to strengthen deterrence to make sure that system ping doesn't miscalculate and that he understands if he tries to use force against taiwan. there will be a great cost for china, but at the same time, i think that he wants to convey the siege and paying that the united states supports peaceful resolution of the differences between the $2.00 sides of the straight through dialogue that it does not envision that the outcome of this is necessarily going to be an independent taiwan, but stabilizing communication won't be biden's only aim in san francisco. it's also

expected that he will ask she to use his influence on iran to help prevent an expansion of the conflict in the middle east. something both washington and aging are keen to avoid. the china would not want to see a widening of this conflict. it depends on the middle east for about 50 percent of its energy and would not want to put that in jeopardy. and so they actually have an interest in preventing that war from widening if they think that that's unlikely, then they probably will not act. but if they see that risk is growing, then perhaps paging well at 8 back whatever she invited achieve or don't achieve with the talks. it's the talking itself that both sides want to use to project a concerted effort to manage the world's most difficult. but arguably, most important bilateral relationships. now let's speak to dw as william glued croft who was joining us from berlin and correspondent, bobby,

and crunch bar who's covering the story for us from beijing way. and we'll start with you. this is a highly anticipated meeting between the us and chinese leaders. what sort of expectations are there surrounding? highly anticipate? it's also she's 1st visit to the united states in about 6 years. and i thought it was a washington, the american capital san francisco that has a certain diplomatic image to it, that actually both leaders probably somewhere to meet it's very important for diplomatic protocol, was something very important, of course, of both sides. but china particular um, what the expectations are just really from all sides that these 2 leaders just tall . anytime as major state leadership meetings. you know, it's more about the symbolism is more of the fact that they just get together into a room and talk the space more than what actually comes out of it, which i think all size and all analysts are really saying we should have very low expectations. for a major breakthrough,

but just coming to an understanding and making sure, as we've heard that reports that cooler heads prevail with the many areas that basically us trying to relate to bring is fabia. and the us present says she's interested in restoring military communication with china, is that something china wants to well, in theory, actually china, it is, it should be in china's interest to restore the mid 3 to a minute to read communication. however, when you look at china sections, um there were actually quite mix sick notes. so for example, during several instances a china has not responded when the us side reached out and asked for me to to reach somebody to communication. also, what makes things more difficult, this at china right now does not even have a minister of defense. because the, the last mean the self defense has been disappeared. possibly investigated for

corruption. but let me stress this very clearly. i mean, this is really crucial, especially over the issue of the south china sea and also the issue of taiwan, very many dangerous incidents, dangerous maneuvers always involving chinese fighter jets and also chinese ships that could have, you know, escalated rather quickly. so military to military. um, communication is really, really important to prevent any further escalation of fabi. and let me just put this to you as well. the, the us is busy dealing with the wars in ukraine and gaza. can joe biden expect any cooperation from china in a dressing those complex as well only to some degree? i mean, um we have consistently seen that china is um, positioning itself. um and according to its long term, um, strategic goals and uh, in the conflict during the warranty, printed assessment basically uh, being relatively close with russia. they have um,

supported russia rhetorically. and you know, a poor teen. and so you have met and, you know, celebrated the friendship. why? because to have a, she had political goal, it's named the opposing the, the western world, or the end that you know, weighs heavy oven. you know, really doing something substantial in terms of pressure and rush it to it. and this was for the uh, conflict and guys uh, i mean yeah, china does not have any interest at this. um, um, conflicts, threats any further. and um, also once it to end, but on the other hand, um, you know, it would probably um suspend a minute to we call a support what they run because they run this very important source of energy. so it is really very tricky to um, to, to, to um, get china to pressure the iran for example, because, i mean, yeah, as i said, china is very ambivalent interest. and so i'm expecting more of like, quote unquote, peace loving rhetoric, but not so much in terms of substantial actions. and william,

we know that there are massive tensions between beijing and washington. but the american and chinese economy is, are still closely and are linked. how does trade factor into this meeting between the chinese and american leaders or right a must be huge. they are an easier link, less so than they have been historically due to the from era terrorist that have continued through the, by the administration to the detriment. most economists will say to both countries, if it's a hit to the american economy in the american taxpayer as well. and as we've seen trade economics, financial tools, these have become replacement tools of power for congress. that'd be nice space, a replacement for military power. it's a way to, to leverage power around the world to get countries to bend to their will without using the military power. and that's something that's gonna come up, especially as american business leaders would like to meet with the chinese leader as well. to talk about that economic relationship that there's a lot of money to be made in business in via and fighters interest,

given the economic was at times currently face william, thank you very much. i was the w, william, blue cross. they're here in berlin and correspond probably impressed by in beijing . thank you very much you but i to your watching dw noticed from the list. i'm terry martin. thanks for being with the

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