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so easy, it goes to, it's always highlighted, becomes all the world we can make the difference w call the world unpack pulse out your info and all the input u, v. w story now onto the it is rarely soldiers spent thursday, they are of 2nd day inside guns as largest hospitals searching for weapons and people, anything hidden by him oss since this war began. israel's military has pointed to the chief of hospital as a cover for the terra group, claiming him off. leaders and weapons were inside and underneath 2 days of searching. and there is little to show for israel says it needs more time, but time it may be in short supply the un security council on wednesday called for immediate pauses in the finding gaza pauses lasting for days, not hours on board golf and berlin. this is the day.
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the circumstances were 1st for crimes being committed by a mosque by having their headquarters, their military hidden under hostile indeed we have found munitions, weapons, guns, communications materials, in the shape uh compound in one of the, in one of the buildings. there is a nice and faulty 7. there are parts reserves of animals. we still have great concerns for patients who can stop in the hospital in the nation is here, and roy can provides special protections to hospitals. of course, the military incursion of the last 24 to 36000 complicates that that medical where it's incredibly also coming up ukraine is desperate to
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join nato. what if that means letting russia keep crimea for good is that the price keeper is willing to pay any fees, fire, and the freezing of the conflict and compromise with you will just g a time for us up to the low for to our viewers watching on tvs in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with pressure like never before on is realty hole gets military back in gaza, at least for a while on wednesday, more than 6 weeks into israel's war against the terror organization. home off, the un security council passed a resolution calling for pauses in the fighting. now this is significant, previous resolutions were blocked by russia and china or the us. this time the us abstain that israel's l. i did not object to this resolution that signals a serious shift as do the demands of this resolution calling for pauses in the
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fighting to be measured in days, not hours. the timing of this is not good for israel's military, which has predicted a long campaign to destroy him off before the civilians and gaza. longer pauses in the fighting. they could not come soon enough. we have more now with this report. families wait for hours that causes southern rough on crossing hoping to get to see till the next boston to egypt. foreigners in palestinian jewel nationals are permitted to leave garza and now some cause in cancer. patients being offered an opportunity to travel to tacky for treatment. but the process is not straightforward for everyone. the sun, god's doing energy less than with eyes being left with our treatment for over a month. so i do not. doctors provided me with a document to travel to turkey,
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to take nearly one injection, and return to guys as the hospital doesn't have the injection. when i arrived at the crossing, i was told that my name is not on the list and i may return tomorrow, or they will call me i opened up the idea behind an the 2 planes carrying counts of patients non did an incorrect from egypt. following negotiations between the top cushion detection of thor t's, egypt has also accepted a limited amount of medical event. curies causes remaining hospitals of running out of medical supplies and few. here in the young eunice, they have to treat patients by torch light. most doctors now have to prioritize emergency. cat is a patients with other health conditions,
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but evacuating patients is not an easy process. the world health organization says the options are limited to evacuate. patients from causes largest hospital. oh, she for, and cause a city following a raid on the hospital by as rarely, military to organize and medical evacuation, such as this in such an insecure setting is very, very complicated. firstly, you need to secure a security guarantees inside the passage for any convoy. negotiations with the is rarely defense forces are being managed, true of the un office and stuff and my child does not to the direct negotiation on those issues. so the office for coordination, if you met a chart with systems managers, that element of, of the evacuation process, then you, we have to prioritize the patients who it would be moved 1st. and so we'd be
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looking at the most critical yield. and again, brought us in the united evacuating patients from causes hospitals poses considerable risks, but staying put could be the more life threatening alternative. it's all but impossible to verify reports coming from causes that goes for claims made by him oss, and by these rarely military journalists, husband pollution recently left garza and we asked him what people there think about him us. so in dallas, it's not one voice or when the people are divided to different various opinions do or what happened or what happens. now, many people would blame us, maybe the number of the people that i hear during the time it was there, or even off the i communicated with many people. i read it on social media. there is more criticism to harm us. but in the same time as well,
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they still play me as well for what, what happened? and they think many people would think this is a very collective punishment, and they have no guilt to be treated like this or to be bombed a menu. only some people were killed including children, and i could see that on social media as well. it's not a secret. and the same time that there's like, there is more voices that the saying, the aim of what, how much that on october 7 doesn't worse. what happened to gonzo bill, city, journalist, housing pollution. joining us tonight from amman, jordan, how's? and we appreciate you taking the time to talk about all of this. i know it's not easy and we're glad that you're safe. you've and your family safe and sound. thank you. ok, still become joe biden, and she's in being talked face to face behind closed doors. when asked how it went by that was blocked.
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a fundamental principle at nato. is this an attack on one? is an attack on everyone. so it makes sense that nato does not accept new members who happen to be in the middle of a war that in a native not shell describes the situation for ukraine. well, one prominent voice has floated the idea of making keys in a to remember, but without areas under russian occupation. tonight dw, as terry schultz with the question would nato ever consider taking on a new member coming with a built in conflict with moscow? could you premium president the letter here, zalinski get his wish of joining nato now. former nato chief underscore rasmussen is promoting an idea that has rarely been raised in public before offering ukraine
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. nato membership without regaining crimea. don bass and the other territories. moscow has a legally seized rasmussen argues that nato's collective security guarantee article 5 would then deter further russian expansion. but even some leaders who advocate ukraine's rapid nato accession save this formula would be a kremlin victory. i mean, terry tal integrity is something you know have that has to be signed by giving away something for something. it should not be, you know, it should not work like ukrainian parliamentarian andrias sent you. it says it's a non starter for keith. poor jim deal today has beek b to destroy your grading as independent country, any ceasefire, any freezing of the conflict? any compromise, would you just g, a time for ross up to the low? the last time a similar idea emerged from the realm of rumors was in august when secretary general young stilton bruce, chief of staff stinson suggested at
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a form in norway that you cream, giving up some russian occupied land may be a path to peace. this caused an immediate uproar forcing stilton birth to clarify that nato is position supporting. ukraine's territorial integrity had not changed yet and had to say keep misspoken. but defense analyst edward hunter. christy says real mistakes are being made. there is a gap between official positions which express the ideal outcome of ukraine recovering its entire territory and the actual level of aid of military age. in particular that the allies are prepared to give. they need the full range of tools so that they have a real chance of changing facts on the ground. and then we can see where diplomacy leads. steve says, well, nato could bring the free part of ukraine into the alliance. now that would weaken both of them are committed to is to restore the full territory of ukraine and strategically, militarily and legally and for the institute for reputation and prestige of the
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alliance. we need to go all the way with this, but all the way is so far away that keeping it supporters fear weapons deliveries will dry up too soon. forcing president zelinski to consider options like the rasmussen proposal to give up pieces of his country and call it peace are let's start possible peace. now with very young terry shows you joyce be from brussels. terry, 1st things 1st the fact that this idea that it's even being talked about, it tells me that some people are accepting that there will be no end to this more any time soon. is that a correct read to it? it can only be that way when you have people like honors for rasmussen, saying this would be a good situation for ukraine. but you know, in key what can they think? it can only make them think that, that some allies that some in the west are giving up the idea that they'll ever regain that territory. even as of course,
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nato officials and national leaders say crimea is ukraine, and we support ukraine's territorial integrity. so there are a lot of mixed messages coming out of the capitals of keys allies right now. and one of the most confusing things about this is that underscore rasmussen has for the last decade or so been a paid advisor to politicians in keith including the zalinski government. so then one has to wonder, does this have support from inside the ukranian government? that something that of course president, but let them hear zalinski would have a hard time admitting if he, if he did support this idea, because how can you give up at this point? it just as this notion of ukraine seating crimea, the don't bass and other illegally occupied territories to rush. i mean, there seems to be so much moral hazard in that proposal. do we have any idea whether or not allies would support it? well, if there are allies supporting it, they certainly aren't coming forward while be at the opponents of it. like you saw
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there, that was waning, and foreign minister are absolutely being outspoken as they were when this 1st came up in august. when a stilton brings advisor, had to say ups, i made a mistake. so there are countries who are saying this is absolutely unacceptable, especially those next to the border where as you mention, as a moral hazard, the fear that would be next. now that's always the case, but of course, if the west does accept that those territories would never be going back to ukraine, that makes it a lot more dangerous proposition to be a neighbor to russia. i'm wondering, are there any other plans then on the table, other than to arm ukraine to fight russia indefinitely, even if that means eating into nato's own weapons stockpiles. i claim you is, ukraine continues to be the refrain. and as you know, as i said, nato continues to say that it supports ukraine's territorial integrity, and that it will stand by ukraine as long as it takes that means as long as you clean wants to fight. but at the same time, we know that allies washington prominently among them are warning ukraine,
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that they will not be able to sustain these weapons deliveries for much longer. and that's something that, of course you crane has to take into account. so maybe this is the best they can do at the same time, i cannot see president zaleski being able to even consider a deal like this at the moment when his people are still fighting so hard to get this territory back. the defense analyst um, who was in your piece and said that a deal would we could both ukrainian data, but, you know, with western weapons, ukraine proves every day that they can go head to head to toe with the russian military. so they just turn the logic around here. wouldn't ukraine's membership make nato stronger? well, militarily, there is no argument that ukraine has the best, the best army around who knows what it's doing more than anyone else. having been tested far more than, than any other military at the moment. but think about this,
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brent, if you brought ukraine in with russian troops on its territory, what would article 5, the collective security agreement mean? then if russia were to step over, these are these areas that they were allowed to keep with. that means that ukraine could declare article 5 and, and require all the other allies to come to its defense. that would seem like a very dangerous proposition to me. but one of the other things that edward 100 christie was mentioning was that this is a credibility problem. so if nato says, we'll fight next by ukraine as long as it takes. and then it says, well, we're not really willing to do that. that's one of the weaknesses he was pointing out as well. yeah. if you're going to turn a lot of problems with his proposal. yeah. if you're going to talk to talk, you have to walk the walk as well, or corresponded terry schultz in process. terry is always thank you. in russia, more and more kremlin critics are being imprisoned, as by them approaching, corrected down on any dissent against his route today of russian courts sentenced an artist to 7 years in prison for staging an anti war protest in
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a supermarket. 33 year old alexandra scotia link go, who's known as sasha swapped the super market price tags with stickers and slogans criticising russians more in ukraine price tax. she was convicted on charges of spreading false information about the military. she is one of thousands of russians to be detained, find or jailed for speaking out against ma, scales, invasion of ukraine. so here's the question that needs answering the united states and china advisories or partners title as i saw acts. and this happens misunderstandings. so we're back to direct open, clear direct communication mode show china does not seek spheres of influence, will not fight to cold or hot. well, with anyone for re assuming military to military contact,
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direct contacts from china is ready to be a partner and the friends to the united states to come you where it's possible, where our interests are coincide, we're going to work together. that's what the world expects of us. you heard that promises a more dialogue between the worlds to economic superpowers. you as president joe biden and joined his presidential agent, paying both put a positive spin on their face to face talks in san francisco. head of a summit of asia pacific leaders. the meeting was carefully choreographed, carefully scripted, and though described as a blot exchange of views. it did show some tangible progress in improving the strain bilateral relationship leaders agreed to open a presidential hotline resume military to military communications. and worked to curb the production of a legal, fentanyl but china, in the us, remained for a part on many other issues, including the sensitive topic of taiwan,
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which china claims as a sovereign territory. and went off script remark from joe biden and threatened to upset the weeks and weeks of preparation take a listen to so there's a lot of talk a balance with my next guest who says the binding ministration could not compete with china and expect to win without a strong free trade policy. kelly griego is a senior fellow at the simpson center in washington, dc, among other things for work. it looks at us as security policy in the in the pacific region. it's rico, it's good to have you with this 1st things 1st i was trying to get your reaction to what is beginning of a lot of attention today and that is present and by referring to season thing after their talks as a dictate yes. well, 1st thank you for having me. i. unfortunately, there has been
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a lot of coverage today around those comments from president biden. you know, i think you, what is going to be really interesting is to see the chinese response to it. in particular, in the past they've responded very strongly to these kinds of statements. and i think it would be, of course, really unfortunate if some of the progress that they made during the discussions yesterday. if it got undermined by sort of a diplomatic blow back from those remarks. yeah, it either there are these persistent war worries. reestablish the military to military communication between these 2 countries. how important a step is that to avoiding an accidental conflict, accidental war or i think it's critical, frankly, you know, i think both sides advocate become increasingly very concerned about the possibility of ending and some kind of accidental escalation. that there would be some kind of incident either in the taiwan strait or the start trying to see where there's an, you know,
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just an accident and then your craft or ships get you close together and then it very quickly spirals out of control. there was an incident with a b, $52.00 that was doing a freedom navigation mission and that a fighter aircraft got within 10 feet of it. that's very dangerous. and so, you know, even during the course of the print war, the united states has maintained close contacts, a mil to mil, contacts with the rushes to try to prevent those kinds of incidents. and so having that with the chinese is really important to try to mitigate some of these considerable risks. yeah, i mean the risks are considerable. as you say, i mean the, the, the tension around top one remains. and despite all the rhetoric about economic ties, would you say that the us in china really are preparing for a war against each other one day a as well. i think that the, i don't see evidence that either country actually really wants a war. i think that's important to distinguish from preparing for the possibility. you know,
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i think we see signs that neither is particularly interested in where it would like to avoid it. but these are both, frankly, countries that are preparing for that possibility. which is what countries tend to do. and one of the real dangers here is that in making these preparations out of a national security imperative that we don't end up sort of in a self fulfilling prophecy. and so i think, you know, when you look at the summit and what was achieved, i think from the chinese perspective, one of the things was achieved is biting, reaffirming the one china policy that was clearly something that was important for the chinese. i wanted to talk now for a moment about the economics of this relationship. last year you wrote an article in the diplomat and in, in that you write the binding ministration strategy for addressing the china challenge is lacking. there is no strategy, at least no credible strategy without robust economic state craft for our viewers of tell us what is a robust economic state craft, what does it look like?
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yes. so one of the things that is really tragic is that in the last, you know, 57 years the united states has really stepped back from free trade policy. and, but the world is moving on without the united states. so there's now 2 major free regional free trade agreements in the endo pacific and the united states is not a party to either of them in, in place of the united states. china is assuming a lot greater and greater role in the economic spirit. and in its relationship with countries and the united states, is it really just on the sidelines and the like it? and then in this way, we're losing a lot of leverage and influence in the region. and you know, i was really very disappointed inside to see that, but the bottom assertion at it, and now something called the end of the civic economic framework, which is to try to be, you know, a frankly, a poor substitute for these other regional free trade agreements. but even now that is reportedly on hold. so in your opinion,
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the united states is not doing enough to make itself more attractive in china. it is to other south eastern economies when it comes to trade relations. yes, i think what you're seeing is that both sides are really leaning into what they see is their comparative advantage. china seas is comparative advantage as that economic relationship and the united states is comparative advantage as security defense. mm hm. i know that you have also written that americans will have to possibly make sacrifices to meet the chinese challenge one day. but you say, sacrificing free trade with asia is not one of them. now does that mean in the future, you'll still be able to go to walmart, you'll still be able to get things cheap, but they both have made in china on the many more may be made in vietnam. a graph. i think of one of the things i was trying to stay with that is there is a perception here that the united states has not benefited from free trade. we have
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benefited enormously from free trade, and i think it's unfortunate that there has been some about a least within the united states domestic population. and so actually free trade and supports us interest and. busy supports the interests of the average worker, and whether as you say that in the future, goods are going to be made with china or they're going to be made with many other nations in the industry, civic. that's actually all of a benefits the us economy. i'd like to get your take on what we saw happening at the summit when the sun said it was time for dinner. a lot of silicon valley c o's had dinner with, she's in pain, and i'm wondering a who is courting whom these days when these 2 elements come together? that's a great question. i am in some respects, i think they probably wonder themselves. you know, i think, you know, right now kind of in an economic downturn, it's struggling, recovering,
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coming out of cold. it has very high economic unemployment rate among it's younger population. and so, you know, i would normally say, perhaps it's even more. so the ceos, according china, but frankly, i think our big reason we have this sort of diplomatic exchange is because chinese government is very concerned about their economic situation. and that's why you're seeing this outreach. well, at a price tag, i think it was about $40000.00 a plate for that dinner. we know that the big tech ceo's, we know he's got the money there. kelly griego good talking with you. we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. great, thank you for having me, as we definitely don't have 40000 for dinner. the day is always done. the conversation continues online. you'll find this on twitter or even e w news. you can probably me a friend dot tv, every member, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day will be friday. we'll see you the different, but the
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dw dues live it from berlin. tonight, israel says that it has recovered the body of a hostage, taken by him off on october 7th. the body of you who did vice was reportedly found by troops in a building near the chief a hospital in concept. israel's military is continuing in search for from us weapons inside the hospital. also coming up tonight, you as president joe biden says there's been real progress following his 1st face to face talks in the year with chinese president. she's in paint work leaders say they want the federal relations despite lingering to.
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