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she wanted me to remain on the serious are some strong, sometimes threatening, sometimes the charming to, but i couldn't see behind her mad to disagree with. the red princess stops november 25th on dw the to target. as president richard tell you, bear to one came to berlin friday. he brought parched words about israel with him. and without mentioning the group, he delivered a defense of him off in his eyes. freedom fighters in gossip, he also called for a humanitarian ceasefire for israel to stop the attacks and gossip. everyone sounded like a restrained fire brand being on his best behavior and on the subject of anti semitism, an almost empathetic air to one spoke of jewish suffering, admitting we haven't had a whole lot cost. i'm for gulf and berlin. this is the day,
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the president, mr. president, it's no secret that we have very different views on the current to conflict. kind guy didn't question, but from the moment of all started, the tuckers government has been opposed to attacks on civilians. part is our solidarity, but this red is unquestionable. but this is the top priority for us is a ceasefire. that's why our talks here are important also coming up, the pressure grows on israel's benjamin at yahoo as the casualties mount and gaza. he's expanding the war against him off. but is he leaving room for what comes next piece? we're not seeking to occupy. that's not our goal,
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but our goal is to make sure that what happens there is different to do that. we have to do militarize garza and we have to de radicalized got gas. it went to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states, into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with the turkish president in berlin and the political baggage. he insisted on bringing with tibbs richard taught you bear the ones visit to the german capital on friday was a short one. a few hours of talk to dinner with the chancellor deserts, most likely the flight back home. there was a palpable dread in berlin on friday. and with good reason and the press conference, everyone deliberate escaping indictments of israel's attacks in gaza, prompting the german chancellor to invoke israel's right to defend itself. the german and turkish leaders almost proxy in a war between israel and tomas and then the middle east. for a long time has been
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a region fraught with conflict, unjust, and because it is a neighboring country flash. the neighboring region is we cannot remain in different and what's happening there has to be for the president. and i am aware that we have different indeed, very different views of this conflict. that's hardly a secret. and that is even more reason for us to talk, particularly in difficult times. we need to speak directly face to face, and that's in the that we are seeing was done in other houses of worship, being bomb. and the church is being formed to the hospital as being a cause. what is the most it, even though that in the see the bombing of hospitals and the killing of children cell does not exist in the homeless is not allowed in the, to the know is it allowed in the universal declaration of human rights? her son to the beloved, most of them. and yet these children are being killed. the w. c. political editor,
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mckayla, kutner. she sent us her take on the statements delivered by both of these leaders. the visits find the tech, his presence was always going to be controversial quite clearly. he comes, he is self confident knowing that he's has a lot to deliver, that germany certainly cannot achieve. and he also raised hopes that took you can play a central role in stopping the conflict between israel and tomas from spreading further . and that is the one point determined towards the stress where both sides agree, despite the fact that the disagree on every other detail, hardly any other leader could get away with the rhetoric. ad one is currently displaying over israel, particularly in so many in the country that not only stresses israel's right to defend itself, but that has made the security of israel and its citizens and jews in this country
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and further afield. a cool principle of the very b of the german state. so both sides wide of pot to societies that are into twined with some 3000000 people with turkish roots living here in germany. and both highly dependent on each of the controversial visits and very, very controversial tools to behind close tools. they were close to destroying the military system in the north gaza strip. well, we'll finish it. we still have work to do, but we're getting close. i mean, really, the fact that was israel's military jeep speaking to front line troops in the gaza strip. the idea and so far focused, it's fight against the mos in the north of the territory. but now is really signaling an expansion of operations to other areas including the south, where many palestinian civilians have taken refuge. the un says almost $1600000.00
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and had been displaced by the fight, the united nations agency for palestinian refugees. it says it has suspended 8 operations in gaza because of the lack of fuel and the collapse of communication networks. this as the u ins. world food program warrens that star vacation in gaza could be immune, rough or near casa southern border with egypt. the algebra by a family live here in the part of gauze that, that israel said would be safe for civilians. but the family says their home was destroyed by and is rarely bombardment on the 1st day of the war. at night they sleep at a un school, but during the day they return to the rubble of their old home. they say every day is a struggle to find enough to eat. sometimes there is nothing but tea. but even worse
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than hunger, they say, is the constant fear of his really bombs and holes. well, there's danger all the time because there's no specific time for the bombing. we forget, it could happen at any time you could be hit at any time. it wasn't because it had to be listened because we don't not food or drink. we just want to be safe with our children. now, right, know, off of the field, we have both and the destruction. we have seen just one safety and security. the motors for granted, let this be good because now there is none. the less, yeah. and then, and then the bombing and the blockade have also pushed causes health system to the brink of collapse, staff at the turkish palestinian friendship hospital say they had to shut down cause was only cancer treatment center due to lack of fuel. also caused by israel's blockade without medicine or chemotherapy. there's little the doctors can do to help dozens of cancer patients. yeah, i mean, how does i'm about the situation is not any tragic. it's move and tragic photos on
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cancer patients are fragile greed. they need to last has come from nurses for medical teams. the medicine, as well as psychological supports, which we don't have now in the heavy and we smoke through the minutes. the blockade on fuel hasn't just effected hospitals, causes communications network has shut down. and in a delivery by the un was cancelled both from lack of fuel is real says it will begin allowing to tankers of fuel per day to enter, which the un says there's only a fraction of what they need. my 1st guess tonight has cast his eyes upon us policy. visa v is real and some us it says unfortunately we've seen this before. stephen cook is a middle east analyst at the council of foreign relations and they call them this for foreign policy magazine. mister cook, it's good to have you with us on this friday evening as an order with you, your latest article in foreign policy. it comes with a headline,
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this more will solve the israel palestine conflict. why are we in this doomed deja the as well primarily because despite all of the heretic destruction in depth, that this conflict has caused the basics of the conflict have not changed. and the palestinians have some basic demands that these rallies cannot uh, cannot adhere to. and these rows have basic demands for peace that the palestinians can't deliver. and that leads to a stalemate, and there's nothing about this war that changes those demands and the inability of either party to be able to deliver them to the other side. so for example, israel insist that it's capital the jerusalem uh that it will not live within the june 1967, june for 1967 borders. and that it will not accept a palestinian refugees back in from 1948 back into sovereign israel. the
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palestinians said he must have a capital in jerusalem and they need to live within a contiguous bully sovereign state. and that refugees should return to their homes from 1948. and none of these things are changed just as a result of this. her at the conflict that is happening in augusta strip. you know, i'm going to talk about more about us policy just a moment. but 1st i'd like to get your take on this. what we've noticed in the last few weeks that more and more is really, are openly criticizing benjamin netanyahu even predicting his demise sooner rather than later. he has not accepted any blame for october 7th. do you think that the voters will hold him responsible or? well i think he has to be at least painted that uh he was responsible for uh for what happened on october 7th, but of course it is for is really voters to decide in his public opinion pulling in
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israel, indicates that he is not popular as a result of the attacks on israel, on october 7th. this is someone who built his political career on being mr. security. and he was successful at that for many years. but if you are the prime minister at the moment of israel's worst security failure in the history of the state, it's hard to make that case. so he was already unpopular, worried about half of the population. i will like, i expect that when there is living, there are elections in israel. he will not be able to survive. at least it would be an amazing feat of political survival for him to knock or down and break down to your feet. let's consider that a post netanyahu is really policy towards the palestinians. would be seeing a change, or would it be as white leaning as ever? i think the hope is that a nets in yahoo, less lead israel would be more forthcoming on the palestinian issue. but there's
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very little reason to believe that's the case. that's why it's called the hope is rallies had moved to the right um, over the course of the last decade or so. and this conflict in particular with the amount of death and destruction that was caused by how much terrace on october 7th . and it suggests that is riley's, do not want a government that is interested necessarily, at least in the short term and peaceful coexistence, but actually interested in is securing the country. there's been a noticeable or right word shifting the poles that had been taken thus far. so that when he is rose from the do go to the polls, it's directs me that what we will see is another center, right? right. coalition, likely without an engine, ya unlikely without the those parties that are on the, the furthest right. that are currently part of the culture, but nevertheless, there is no peace camp. there is really no center left and there's barely
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a center. yeah, and yet you have the us secretary of state anthony, blinking, looking towards a post of war future with the palestinians, relying on a reformed palestinian authority to govern on the west bank and gaza. is that just wishful thinking? i think the secretary of state and the people around him are bereft of any new ideas on how to bring um, not the current war, but the conflict between israelis and palestinians to some sort of success. so and much of what he has been saying, particularly when he was in the region 2 weeks ago, are things that are non starters. what is the united states going to you? what does the international community going to do to re, quote unquote reinvigorate the palestinian authority. does that mean elections? mahmoud abbas and his spots have facts and would likely lose those elections. are we going to pour more money into a hopelessly corrupt and dysfunctional dysfunctional clause? i stayed on the west bank and
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a these roads have already rejected the idea of extending the palestinian authorities administration from the west bank to the gods district. so it strikes me that the secretary of state is hopelessly behind the curve here. of course that's not his fault, this is a, a conflict. the main fact defy resolution def i resolution. so does that mean the 2 state solution has the future the 2 state solution died uh, quite some time ago. i think it's something that the american policy makers and policy makers around the world say the words to state solution because they don't have any other idea. but they, but they don't have another idea. it strikes me in particular after this conflict that the sides are further apart than they ever did. they have been, at least since, uh, the, you know, pre since the,
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the establishment of the state from israel. and as far as they could possibly be, in terms of the 1000 of 2 states sitting living side by side and in peace. so if you have the us presidents year right now, what would you advise him to do next? so yeah, this is, it's an extremely tough question because this is such a tragic, a tragic situation. but i would say to him that this is a problem that's not to be resolved. it's a problem to be managed. so that he is correct in calling for a humanitarian pauses in the fighting. but that if he were to apply significant pressure on the israel ease, uh to stop, to actually uh, put pressure on these rows for a ceasefire at this point. um, it would likely make him look weak because of his rent. i just have to find their conflict with hamas and existential terms and are unlikely to listen to even the present united states under those circumstances. mean, before we let you go,
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let me kind of broaden this out of president biden. had a face to face meeting this week with the chinese president. and that is where we know his attention is at the moment. then you've got china, you've got new crane, and you've got is real gaza home us. is the us stretched to bed, is it juggling a lot of balls here and slammed, ducking. not a single one as i like to use of swim dunking by the way. um, you know, i, i think that there us relations with china are of extraordinary global, important scenario. court interest of the united states to have a stable relationship with a strategic competitor like china. i think the word europe, uh, the russians invasion of ukraine is of extraordinary importance to the united states into the global order. i think the conflict between palestinians and
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israelis as important and as the motive as it is and how it as much as it is effected deep so personally around the globe remains a local conflict. and the despite being an expert in the middle east, and i'm sort of heartened by the fact that the president took time away from the conflict in the middle east to spend time on something that is a true global importance. and that is us relations with china. all right, that's a great way to end the talk then that steve, hook up the council of foreign relations. we appreciate you joining us on this friday night. thank you, steve. my pleasure. the . the war in the middle east has opened the floodgates of this information and false claims on social media, and much of the criticism has been directed at the platform x formerly known as twitter, owned by the controversial billionaire, eli and musk. since acquiring twitter a year ago, musk is allowed conspiracy theories and hate speech to thrive, and that is having some consequences. today the u commission announced that it is
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stopping all advertising on ex. it's already launched an investigation into hate speech on the social media platform. also today, the white house condemned yvonne musk for what it called the important promotion of anti semitism. now that wasn't reaction to a tweet posted by musk, endorsing a conspiracy theory that jewish communities push, quote, hatred against whites. the white house invoked the 2018 mass shooting of the pittsburgh synagogue, posting this. it is unacceptable to repeat the hideous lie behind the most fatal active anti semitism in american history. at any time, let alone one month after the deadliest day for the jewish people since the holocaust was that i'm going to bring in now. and julie really can cheese vice president of the media,
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watchdog media matters for america. she's been monitoring the, the rise and online miss. and this information, especially on 11, must platform x or as we used to call it twitter. it's good to have you on the day . so we've got what conspiracy theories anti semitism. that means the list is long . it gets longer just how bad has it gotten on x under e? long must. all right, thank you for having me. um, yes, since you are mazda is taken over to there, he's made a series of decisions that has done nothing but increase hate extremism and conspiracy theories on the platform. since his takeover, he, one of the 1st things that he did was got his content moderation, his trust, and public safety team and that, and made it very difficult for them to be able to enforce their terms of service. he also has exclusively talk to them from supporting their terms of service um around certain types of content including interest some other content,
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he has reinstated extremist accounts that were previously banned on the platform. he himself has engaged repeatedly with conspiracy theorists with people who are pushed into algebra 2 to rhetoric and people who have endorsed into somebody a conspiracy theories. people who endorsed covered 19 misinformation the list goes on and on. and the impact has been clear um the information ecosystem on x at this point in time is heavily skewed towards bar rate extremism. it's a playground for these extremists, and it's become increasingly difficult to get any sort of reliable information on there. and instead it's just flooded with hate bigotry lives. and it's, you know, really unfortunate, but that's the, the state that we're in. yeah. i say, you know, you can't even use it or around your kids now. yep. you know, maybe they should rename it extra. triple x, i mean it's gotten that bad, and the bus, you know, it's true and he will tell you that this is all in the name of free speech. and i'm
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wondering, is that really all it is mean? what's he trying to do by amplifying anti semitic tweets? i mean, i'm not asking you to get into his mind, but it can you see a purpose here? i, i, again, as you're saying, i can't get into you on most head. all i can say is that the consequences, the financial hits that the platform has taken due to his leadership and his own behavior has not changed the way that he is acted. um, it is not change to. he's talking to does not change what he is endorsing. it does not change what he's elevating. so you know what his strategy is and all that. i'm not sure. i mean, you, one could easily argue that this is, this is what he believes. otherwise, why would he continue to be pushing it? i think, you know, add to your, to your earlier point about it being uh, not it, not a safe place for, for kids anymore. and it used to be, you know, while,
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while it's always had issues, no social media platform has and, and used to be at least a good place that you could get information. and then you said the make, you know, find reliable information. and again, this is stuff that must has, you know, dismantled, and instead has created an, a, an incentive structure to spread missing this information. um, people need to buy the blue check marks that used to be used to verify accounts so that you knew that the accounts reading, you know, posting was who they said that they were, that you could make a decision about whether or not they were credible. now it is anybody who wants to pay for his subscription, gets a check mark. they get to say what they want and, and they have an incentive now to make things go viral because it's, they get engagement, they get paid. um and we see not really have a dramatic impact um in, in the ability to get reliable information during times of crisis. let alone just
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on a day to day basis. yeah, that's true. i mean, it used to be a place where, you know, the, the, the adults would go and now it's a place where the adult entertainment industry goes a lot of the time. and how much would you say the is real? i'm aust conflict is um, how much is that conflict driving the search and hate speech across social media? yeah, i mean we've seen across the board of x is leading on this, but also it is not a problem that is exclusive to that particular platform. we've seen in our research and day today monitoring an increasing anti semitism. i'm platforms we've seen also an increase in anti is in the as well as anti muslim rhetoric. you know, we're not alone and identifying that and the researchers over at the institute for strategic dialogue. and have recently put out several reports showing the increase in both anti semitism on youtube and in t uh, as, as long into muslim rhetoric on twitter. they're seeing, you know,
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just 50 plus volt increases. and this, it's pretty enormous on the conflict is really, unfortunately, on least a lot of hate across the board. you know, we've seen, i'm just new this week. huge numbers of advertisers leaving x in. i'm wondering, we've got about a minute left is money. is that the only way we can hold these platforms accountable for, for what happens on their platforms? i know legally they're not liable for the content, but at the end of the day they do provide a place to park all the hate of yes, this is true. i think media matters. one of the things that we have tried to do is undermine the profit motive. um, you know, structure that kind of incentivizes extremism on platforms and thinking that you know, you can stop making it so profitable for people to spread hate speech that you could
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kind of reduce some of at least the volume of it that is permitting on the platforms and i think platforms themselves and most of them are responsive to this . you know, if advertisers do not want their content, their advertisements appearing next to controversial content and you know, they will take a stand and they should take a stand. i think in the case of most kids and bleeding advertisers just since he took over the platform, not just because of the decisions that he's made and what the content on the site is, but just things that he has done himself. you know, he is fairly erratic and that he does not provide a brand space platform for advertisers. and i don't think for him that has been, you know, a motivating factor. as i mentioned earlier, to change his behavior, to change how he's running the platforms. but it is for others. so i think that other platforms are paying attention and should really, really can it's been good talking with them. we appreciate you taking the time on this friday to enlighten us about um, you know,
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the, the, this is due to the news live or from berlin tonight running out of 3rd the you winds. world said program says people in gaza or on the verge of starving, a trickle of humanitarian aid arriving via egypt is doing little to remedy shortages, power cuts and the like a feel for generators are not helping matters. also coming up, but we'll visit a community on the israel, living on border that is almost a ghost town. thanks to walk. it's launched by textbook and turkey is the president arriving here in germany speaking. his mind on israel.
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