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a bass so he assumed glorifying death and violence. these are the children of ices members that growing up in a refugee camp in ridge of ne, in syria. this is a violent environment. if you leave the children by kid, then you can say this will be the next generation devices like this. oh, whoa, is the largest of the camps in the region and it's considered the most dangerous in the world. and whole will turn into a ticking time bomb for further and future terrorist organizations in 2019 cody slid. forces succeeded in taking back the region from isis rule, but the militant group remains the threats. but keep that o. j headed vista for the week and now we put an end to isis control. the 1st off uh to the organization and its ideology still exist to hear about that,
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including in the prisons where it's as terrorist. so it's being held since the end of the fighting by the autonomous code is government. the controls northeast and syria. a german is it gives us a heads up. we have about 12000 ice as prisoners. a crow job is economy can cope with that on its own. the codes who live here feel abandoned and they run the threat from the neighbors. the turkish president re chip tight add one say to a terrorist. took he has launched repeat a defensive scene where java i'm a could each field make it based in brussels together with google on the cookies journalist. i'm traveling to read java in northeast and syria. often many attempts we finally been given permission to visit some of the most dangerous places in the
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region. we want to find out what the legacy of the fight against ices means. the origin of and it's people it's october 2021. we've just cross the border into syria. there's no mistaking how dangerous the situation here still is. a suicide bomb, it has blown up a truck loaded with explosives very close by shoreline drive. the judges, us to move on as quickly as possible. ac is the 2nd attack shallow and used to be in the syrian army. during the civil war, he deserted and fled to the cookies regions. there he joined the militia. he's an driver and 40 god. and he's heavily armed.
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the people who are peaceful, who knew the pro government so long as it's in control. but lead support is as if it came back. the office still peace, the town of committee sleep directly on the syrian focused border. this is the home of the autonomous administration of northern, an east in syria, as well as java is officially cold. not long after the start of the syrian civil war. the codes who lived in the oil regional faced set up an autonomous region and declared self rule, but it's not officially recognized by the government of syria, or indeed any states the road. java is a thorn in the side of turkish president ad one in particular. you have ahmed code
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president of its executive council, explains why those are the 2 key. what's the quote, how do you the most it onto the, how well, since it's the foundation in 1923 to the turkish republic call has denied the very existence of us current of what that is. so the government is afraid that recognizing kurdish identity in turkey, co, a good week, and turks as an ethnic group and divide the nation most. i'm up to the community digikey past year, the bed. you to the, the, the spawn in the money. but here in room java, the native language kurdish is taught in many schools. so the key i need to stick you bear with me. turkey does not accept that the holding the ticket with that it's why it's fighting against us sort of because it fears that the kurds in turkey might then demand the same. i should even try to use the which is the same. i know,
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can you do, elizabeth edwin's main accusation is that right java and it's militias. a realize that the p k. k, the code is done work as policy p classifies the militant code, each group which is now based primarily in turkey as a terrorist organization. as to the a you and the us and i'm thinking good the age and the so p k. k was active for enroll java for a long time, one, but in the 1980s the movement spread here. the kurds in syria were oppressed at the time and had no right 110 of them pick it in the serious goods. now reject any association with the p k. k. you were shown then you do rouge on, but then get today real. java is forging its own pansy, the economists administration and the p k. k. are not the same to pick and do have
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the back of the, the codes here in re java have themselves loan being threatened by terrorism. and we instrumental in ending as tara in the region, the, we're on our way to meet and there for us ahmed, come under the code is dominated military alliance. the syrian democratic forces, the s d f. before we left, we had to hand over on mobile phones. it's standard practice precautionary measures since took each combat drones began targeting could each come on this event. so j headed the for the l a. w, can we put an end to i asked control of a solver, but the organization and its ideology still exists here, but it's still active. it's still carrying out terror attack it assume to 2000 boss,
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to not just against the armed forces to get in, but also against a civilian miscarry. we want to visit the territory once claimed by isis before it was ousted by co despises. we traveled to rocca, the former unofficial capital of the islamic states. the evidence of the destructive fight against the g head is, is everywhere. the rock crowd became the purest example of this kind of fits ideology. isis have this public, the headings, you know, these terrible pictures that reached us from america. they had a school system where they were looking at the children and the right ones. would they be trained to become leaders later on the not. so smartphones would be trained
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to become suicide bombers, and yet they used to account for their own propaganda, especially to the outside world for trading this as the paradise point of calling for muslims all over the world, the muslims, brothers and sisters, to join the kind of fit to build something new. that was how life has managed to lou. a tens of thousands of foreign sizes will drive. it tells us that rocca is still on the safe and do it just as to leave. what's become of the terrorist malicious vices after they were defeated? thousands of them were imprisoned in prisons like i'll seen a 12 surprise, we granted permission to fill them inside the prison. the j. o is a breeding ground for isis. explains compound jamal. see also for the terrorist and he's on easy a bounce out visit. the security situation is to tense, he says,
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and we sent it to my hands are shaking as i hold the camera. the roar of generations, these everywhere. and the sten. she's on bearable. jamal shows us around suddenly details. we have to start filling a door opens and i see hundreds of isis prison is crowded together. many of them are injured. some are missing limbs. the space the held in is cramped. be on the lease by 2 and my camera back on as we into the in summary is just one straight to ear of these ices prisoners. the doctors, they treat thousands of inmates in return. they have a little more space under we're allowed to live together in this room. and but us the campus of ship is we set up these prisons under difficult conditions. we
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weren't prepared for what happens after the victory against i s and the battle of a goose, and we suddenly had to taken more than 5000 i as fighters fish has other c and domain dice. and i guess 10 the ice is prison is cook, their own food jim owns is quietly not to get too close to them. tc is they? most of the tank coasts with boiling cooking oil, we take into the main wing of the prison, where the inmates exercise time in the yard is about to begin. come on, de jamal allows us to go up to the watch tower to film. gould on, however, is told to stay out of sight. she's not wearing a headscarf, and jamal is worried. this will provoke the prisoners. most a foreign jihadists who came to syria via to key to join isis. how did you actually
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meet the way to see sunk over here, just like your flight to check if there's someone waiting for your people to take you and then you would take you over the board to. so it was something very easy. even the, the gods they were welcoming you, dest, they're not stopping you. de la quinta, that was something which i think was politically and the benefits of turkey. most of these prisoners have been here, or in other prisons, in the region for years. no one knows what awaits them. amid the some assistance, the young man in particular continued to radicalize g like, you know, it gosh, the kid can available as a new generation of ice is emerging here. one of these people have been imprisoned for a long time. flask, if they call themselves as about a caliphate to the cubs of the caliphate. they were child soldiers between 13 and 18 years old. when they came here, i wasn't going to go into the older prisoners indoctrinate them,
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turn them into committed. i spiders and they are extremely dangerous. they have to do tests that come up that i've had good, the prisoners, they would have a reaction. i don't know which kind of free action, but it's different from one to the other. maybe want long. he really, he really has a vengeance. maybe one us, the able to become more uh, more extra earnest. you know, maybe some people they will get crazy. they will lose their minds in the prison. you know? so it would create many bad results. you understand as more of the extent our, the presence in the, as this presents, this will make more problems in a bit of a month. our goal is to return the prisoners to their home country to sleep. but as long as they are here, we have to make sure the presence are secure. the inmates often take tunnels to try and escape the kilometers. would that come on?
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that list is to enjoy them, but them through the escapes are common. the metal piece so far we've always managed to support them. we always discover the tunnels and the time that the one the you're behind the bar. even the most important task with your brothers. we will never forget what i'm literally to you is our duty to ensure the we have that can go because we don't know how much longer we can secure the presence of what we have hired more guards, but that is not enough. we need a safer place and have a better monitoring system on them until their home countries take them back on top of your p in stage. yours the legal
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lien. both in brush of 2 parts. their own jihad is there, you know, and some states, especially my state, for example aust, i'm not willing to take the responsibility for the citizens and they hope that if they box them, they error, they will somehow they should be in light of the conditions here. some human rights organizations have referred to these prisons as a new guantanamo. do you think we shall fall and will become the next one? tell them oh no board. i'm not able to give a rusty any of no. yeah, absolutely not. so you can get a good study. moving to g, g is the prisons were set up a fighting was ongoing. we set them up in former school buildings homeless getting keep that stuffed young. get it metal or because we know that these fighters home countries don't want them back. but that means these countries have to help us create an international tribunal. so the end of the 3 are the p or they have to pay
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the cost to hold the highest spiders. here wasn't a whole business. any you cycle, which i gave up to tier 2, we have about 12000 isis prisoners here, has a real job as economy you can't cope with that on its own equipment. the clinic over here, over here on which i'm going to go ahead and i'll visit to the prison ends abruptly . jamal thinks it's too quiet and something must be about to happen. it feels like the calm before the storm. we have to leave we want to learn more about the feelings against our assessing range of what traces has it left here. we had to combine a new the to the syrian border. it was here that license was pushed back for the 1st time. the beginning of it's down for in september 2014. the jihad is launched. a massive attack on the city. the code is fine, is put up. see us resistance, the east mad house on organized the defense of the city.
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how about uh, set it does say, i mean that the, it is good, isis going through the taxes from 3 signs of what we wanted to push them into the city. it's narrow streets just because that's where we have the best chance with the modest weapons we have. we look, let's see that you've shut the. we learned that people here are especially proud of the young women whose forward against isis in was java y p j. the women's protection unit, so the female tickets within the y p g they had a very important role when it came to the bed of co, bonnie, because these women are very dedicated. they know when ever they are being captured, buys fighters, they will be violated. they would be, wait, they would be killed. so they have a very committed in this fight. we meet one of them. fuck my last and i'm in the battle. today she helped support others wounded in the funny thing. like many
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here, she's still haunted by memories. the go and the good and the basically they kept shouting, if we catch you, we will eat you the root cause know all the time they were calling us names. your whether you like it or not, you cannot escape fear in battle. how did you become, and that is why you mustn't turn it into courage and faced it his head on. you're aware that the people who live here depend on you. if you give up and they will suffer for the me, they will be hurt. that's why you have to fight, as i'm sure you will get them as you're there is you for the share to receive the why was always just able to become so powerful in the 1st place. and what role did neighboring took he playing? it's rice, isis, a tech. the codes to take over to bonnie chucky was standing by not helping the
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crowds because it was kind of interesting. for years chucky had let is almost hide us from all over the world and how does tied to some of using the talk you soon border to come to syria to join the spanish groups there, even isis. so this is what the called the jihad is. highway in 2014 venue as vice president joe bite and commented our allies in the region where our largest problem in syria and the church present early. one told me is an old friend said you are right. we let too many people through i ran the isis campaign, 40000 foreign fighters, she hobbies from a 110 countries around the world. all came into syria to fight in that war. and they all came through turkey. i was in turkey more than any other countries to have them sealed their border and they would not do it. they said they couldn't do it, but the minute the occurs to parts of the border is totally sealed with a wall. in september 2014,
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the us decided to provide military support for the could each fight against isis at the middle of the little vision. it wasn't an alliance against terror on behalf of all humanity loma. that's what made it unique. no one ever would have expected the kurdish people's defense units and america to join forces. good. how about in the truck? a medium i'm. the map is good here. i think we can see we defended the world. news caught the dogs. the prices have been successful here. how would you on the posting, grave danger to the world? and they go to see them. that's why the world supports us today. the thing over to terry a get us for the in the cold on the back of the the income bonnie alone more than 1000 decode experiences with killed the
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we drive through an area with the fighting continued loan off to the initial victory. it took full years to defeat the tara militias. the international alliance played a crucial role. so the americans turn to the students democratic forces and the s d. f is made up mainly by what could you provide to us, but there was some other minority groups. kristen groups militias, but included into the s t s, so they became the main ally of the wisdom and to ices alliance. you know totally bit 2017. they succeeded in defeating all i succeed, rucker. 6 after 4 years of brutal war 2 patients under the so called isis cal. rocca,
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it's capital is livery. the americans announced they would train a force sushi 1000 strong to god. the syrian took his folder to prevent choices from returning to his president. add one reacted angrily. and threatened military action should the food service and a lot of america is building a terror army along our border because it's we must destroy it before it's created. so the, the hallmark rush of and now had to defend itself, not totally against only says, but also against the threatened invasion by texas. the toki showing me, boomed towns on the border, including offering the attacks claimed some 1500 lives and more than 100000 people were displaced. but the could,
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each majority militias continued to find the march 2019. with the help of air strikes carried out by international coalition forces, by goose, the last ice of stronghold was captured. the general no rose general mosley commander of the syrian democratic forces. i'd like to offer a statement on behalf of the government of the united states. we congratulate the syrian people and particularly the syrian democratic forces on the destruction of isis is fraudulent calibrate. the ration of isis is remaining territory and eastern syria to keep continue to threaten the tax on the road, java, and cold on the u. s. army to withdrawal at the u. n. and new york president ad one presented his plan for what he called a peace,
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colorado in northern syria. an attempt to control an area that makes up a large part of his job a short in the 7. and he's gone into the says, the sort of, you know, we must eliminate the p k, k y p g terrorist organization in syria. their territories cover a quarter of syrian territory yet use are ruled by a group that someone to d criminalize under the name syrian democratic forces up the well, in the sense that we are proposing to create a piece, corporate or 30 kilometers wide and 480 kilometers long and resettle 2000000 syrians to turkey. there with the support of the international community. is john solomon, the idea of creating the secuity zone alongside the took us to you in border self, a double goals. first of all, he wants to contain curtis autonomy on the suicide of the board. the 2nd goal is to
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reset the suit and refugees inside syria. because turkey has taken an almost 4000000 soon. refugees, it's a huge burden on the society. the idea is if he controls these border area, so you can send some 1000000 students back to these areas, which would mean that you have some kind of an estimate convincing that because these areas wouldn't have the to the kurdish population. tens of thousands of them had to flee from the tradition dimensions before. and now he wants to reset the main, the arab syrians to that area, which was definitely not to help within the secret society to reconcile until this together peacefully. you know, to a bit 2019 us troops made of surprise withdrawal from result of on then president trump sort is the move left to people in the region desperate joy to see those public. she
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would she could jani what to. yeah. and what the new quote suddenly they just left and people said, well, could we kurds have been betrayed again. it should not have happened to you quoted, but america had the power to assert itself against turkey. for the sake of all the victims as a courtesy of $21000.00 soldiers of the syrian democratic forces and not one american soldier was injured during the level. that's the state we were in. the traffic was a hold to immediately after the withdrawal of us troops, turkey launched its 30 invasion diverse java dumps operation piece spring by add one according to the un, more than 100000 people were displaced today, many of them still live in refugee camps inside their own country,
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the worship connie camp is home to some 16000 internally displaced people or is it takes the tactic? we were homeless, some flights here without children's service. you might them this that's on another during our children are growing up in a wilderness. we live like dogs here, the, the music comp done to they had a mental health and there are 8 of these refugee camps in the regions. the u. n. hasn't yet supplied any aid to the caps. the syrian regime is blocking it. we have the un can only health through the syrian government, which prevent aid from reaching these refugee candles beyond the, on the cutting of a coffin, a tunnel,
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these people are not even recognized as refugees. they're getting no help whatsoever. she wants us to, even though they have lost everything in it does nothing, it is an atrocity. bought a keep good look. a good on the full extent of the problems ridge of it he's facing is becoming clear to us. but how exactly can the west contribute to greater security and stability in the region that can come easily? we have let's do carrying oma that could have a video for 2nd, bath, for us to go back and have the tv. we have tons of mrs. ministration of cold on the western alliance to establish an international tribunal. it should be here in northeastern syria because isis terrace committed their crimes against the people of this region. but unfortunately, because everyone has abandoned us, we've been left to deal with a problem alone. it's a ticking time bomb,
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a living catastrophe. coma, i've got enough money to pay that a time bomb. he says that's also taking in the camps with the wives, children, widows, and orphans of ices. finances live in a hole. there a willow, the 50000 of them, all of whom are unable to leave the which deem it to go to you to see on what you meant to go to come by 40. it shouldn't be any worse. the whole camp is the most dangerous camp in the world of breeding ground for a new generation of terrorist issues, we have no control over the cam company is controlled by isis. that big control. i'm gonna take the control dash to we may tell, wait a whole we've been given permission to film. but when we arrive, the gods tell us it's too dangerous. before they can let us into the camp,
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they have to find it difficult for us. and that will take a while. in the meantime, we were allowed to drive through the camp in the con, the, in a matter of minutes, little boys gather around the car, calling us names, swearing at us and throwing stones the this is a brutal place to grow up. it's steeped in the violent ideology of isis. the code is god who does not want to be filmed, tells us that the young children in the can make just as a, as if they'll sleep this front. they shall have heard that she's an infidel. and that they will avenge the death of their parents. the
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children begin to challenge and on yes, bethel him. they seeing that one day they themselves will also become jihadist and sacrifice the lunch for the profit the we have to leave a whole. so now we drive to camp roche, 3 hours away. we're allowed to film here, and some residents have agreed to talk to us. the camp is divided into one is occupied by extreme missed women, some of whom have carried down to tax themselves. the other houses, families who don't belong to wisest or have renowned states audiology. you haven't been to follow tonight. i made a big mistake. it was wrong to come to see me of it so that i could pay no, betsy, our country should take us back to increase on so that we can start a new life. the visas we
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did. she tells us that she took off jose alone, international women's day, women who take off, then you kept the threatened with being burned alive. we dad has full young children by to jihad his father's. this camp is no place for children. there's no education. this is a violent the environment and there's nothing for the children, the next duties. so children, if you leave the children back here, then you can say this will be the next generation of eyes the slightest. oh there and fucked him up. any money on, on, hardly many children are smuggled out of the camp and given to isis in the 2 s. c. i thought the remote to be you doing this is how they recruit child soldiers. varner from doctors. it's hard, but i tried to protect my son from the radical extremist ideology and the cancer needs to scan. if you look in this and seen this little video watch or
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a whole we told that these women are only a small minority among thousands of capture dias, women. they see themselves as victims of vices and to no, i haven't been involved in the crimes against syrian and do rocky women and children. women loyal to weiss is on the other hand, often side children whose mothers have died simply to prevent them from being placed in the care with people they see as infidels. we drive to one of the orphanages with children who could be taken out of the camp leave on hold on, hold on us from a or homes. they often don't even know the nationality of the children. we provide them with a good upbringing and education. we can do that to what we worry about their future . what will become of them?
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and they'll go have a list of was there all right here. thank god. and how much is 0? you take care of the children who was a day to dikes to humanity, the diesel. yeah. i loved them as their mother would. and more of that will. they shouldn't feel that they're not love and manage them. i mean, we may count way back to our whole non difficulties waiting for us and we were allowed to enter the camp with the camera. the whole is a known home to a large number of hon. cool. isis afford, has its reputed to be a haven for radicals and fanatics. this is the most dangerous part about truth as a whole has turned into a city. and it has turned into a small kind of it, because it consists of 3 parts and the rocky celia, and it's
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a national part with the most radical, isis members being the internationals. now we are inside the whole come i'm the we're about to arrive at the model now, um this good fit hard takes us to the part of the camp where the foreign women and children leave. these women have phone the hard line group. we only want the law of god. sure. re a to apply. i do have all the children here are the new soldiers of isis used to, to the did very be was found this morning the every day something like this happens here and we're able to put on the side of the baby was in a plastic bag in the trash and then many bad things happen here. immigration of the
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way that it won't just blow, couple moments kill. that's all these threw her into the sewage system. and i need to many atrocities how come. but if a chance that option i'm not, i'm on, let's go to the more it visa card. isn't that dangerous? no one. that's why i'm here. this is the campus market. it is organized by the residents themselves. i'm try talking to them just only one time, sorry. know if they've been forbidden to talk to us. i didn't. yes, the it is very difficult to control to contain the living conditions are unbearable. it's very dangerous to leave foreign ices meant this in that camp,
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especially children. because and whole will turn into a ticking time bomb for further and future terrorist organizations that quote, we much from headphones. i'm a fish motor, i'm not going to know how long did that did you see the 2 years and birth? honestly that in the us before and exploring. some of them are armed, man, just getting it and i've got it might suddenly come out to shoot and run away. but other than what i have, this is what happens and i think you have it. isn't it too dangerous for us? yes, it's getting dangerous. the market is getting too crowded. it's no longer safe here . hey, easy that the ha of the they some, we know that about it. we know that the groups in a whole are well organized and are also receiving orders from outside the most who they have contact with the outside of the and communicate by cellphones head. well, what given a trouble? i think we're changing the vacant orders to attack and kill people,
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going to look into that. it can approach on how many i think we should have been or did you see every day people are killed there that where the foreign women lives and a new generation of terrorist is being raised, or they couldn't to know the number of junior we believe that they'll be a much more dangerous and isis itself through what they can live, go from an early age, beeping, federal radical extremist ideas to which but they're raised on a hunger for revenge. i just figured i'd be kind of equal a set of data sharing the at all i'm the children are being groomed to become new fighters. the people help in the camps and prisons are making long term plans, and they don't hide that fact. they say we're coming back and we'll be even stronger in the midst of the this
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video shares the message that the islamic state will live on. it shows the flag of the camera site flying and the can the shopping in fortunately and all of this turkey is helping isis, the most typical of austin. the yeah, the there are many illegal cells that help people escape from the camp. so the every day there are attempts to escape from the account when those who succeed lead to try to print, but it would take a certificate of often there smuggled out with turkey's help, the in response to key says it only helps people who need to be rescued leave, i'll whole, it's domestic intelligence service really comes to the rescue of foreigners who
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want to be returned to their home countries. our impression of i'll hold is that it's both a refugee and an internment camp. a threatening atmosphere was palpable in the camp . ridge of a field, highly folded toil the legacy of isis here in the region in january 2020 to shortly after out. truth, many people's worst fee is came true to i. a suicide bomb is blew themselves up outside the all seen a prison videos from inside the prison circulated on social media. you definitely can see that this was a very val, organized uprising. and it wasn't a tim actually to take over the city to it's not just an attempt to escape from
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prison. why in the suing them, aquatic forces fall off against these faces. uprising that has to come to a key continued to use dead thrones against this who in democratic forces, so that even attached coordinates for the driving for how to fight isis in the, in the code, each military managed to regain control. it was about that we weren't only targeting the prison, they wanted to create chaos in a hole in the hospital and rock a region isis referred to the 2nd tell us that they wanted to retain control over the entire region because of the $374.00 jihad is reported to have been killed in the fighting, and many a believe to of the skype,
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the commander jim o, the god, who showed us around the prison is one of the 77 prison stuff. who executed the and then we hear that set up the caregiver from the off in each was also killed in a turkish drone strike. to catch regression is also increasing income easily. we s l experienced in the tech as we were leaving the office around or to on september 20 2022 president. the other one again addressed the un and again, he stated that there is no difference between the kurdish military and the terrorist. p k. k. l troop lift is convinced that there's
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