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for the follow up the, this is the w news lies from the named israel. government votes inside the host. it's deal with some of the deal includes the full day truce, during which come us will release 50 women and children being held in the gaza strip. that would be the 1st significant pause in more than 6 weeks sufficing. also on the program, north korea claims it has put its plus by satellites in all this state cv, celebrates the launch and regional tension, sol with south korea,
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suspending costs of the military agreements with the menu chips mccain and welcome to the program. we start with a major breakthrough in the middle east, nearly 2 months off to that was nightmare began aside relief for the families of 50 women and children, held hostage by hum us in the early hours of wednesday is ready. prime minister netanyahu announced a hod for deal that will see the release of 50 hostages in return for a 4 day truth, as well as the release of a 150 palestinian prisoners. the pools in slicing will also allow the humanitarian aid and fuel to insert the gaza strip could tall, which helped breaker the agreement said the stella thing till and was the truce
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would be announced within the next 24 hours. now under the agreement, hamas is set to free 50 of the hostages. it took in the october 7th terror attack on israel and exchange around $150.00 palestinian prisoners held in. israel will also be set free on those parts of the deal that will be a pause in fighting between israel and homos for 4 days and access to humanitarian aid. israel has also said it would extend the truth if additional hostages released and we're going to go straight to our correspondent rebecca versus in jerusalem. rebecca, what, what more can you tell us about this hostage deal and ceased by a as well. it was in much a way to deal. as you mentioned, you read, read, told about a lot of the details. they were talking about 50 hostages, women,
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and children. the breakdown we think appears to be 30 children, 12 mothers, and 8 women and priority, of course being given to the elderly. and in for him, we know that this is in exchange for what looks to be for day a for day say, saw in hostilities for humanitarian aid to be allowed in to the strip. and also for the coordination of the release of these hostages. we know that also the israel has agreed to release 150. that's a $3.00 to $1.00 ratio for the hostages. 3 palestinian prison is for everyone hostage release. so we're looking at about a $150.00 also women and children, palestinian prisoners that will be released as a part of this deal. and as you mentioned, of course, a large amount of aid will then be able to be transported in to the gaza strip, where it is solely needed for the civilians who are suffering the humanitarian
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situation. there it has been on folding for weeks now. and of course, not need a fuel fuel to be able to help run the hospitals. so help run telecommunication systems, and many other things, of course generators and to, to create power. so this land mount deal, the 1st station in hostilities. so hopefully, as you mentioned soon to begin within the next 24 hours, let's talk about timing. is it clear yet? when the 1st hostages will be released, tests have been any time suggested yet more specifically. it's nothing more specific than that 24 hour window. at this stage, a list of some of the 300 potential palestinian prisoners has been released. and the, the, there is an idea that that now is riley citizens who might have been affected by something that the person in prison this were arrested for, would be able to make a petition to the high court so that there's a legal procedure, legal process 24 hours being given for people to, to file
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a petition. if of course there are no delays, then we'll stop hearing a more concrete timing. we do know that they're going to be releasing potentially $12.00 to $13.00 prisoners per day to allow for the truce to keep on going a sort of pace. male part of the price is also incredibly difficult process to organize the release of these hostages. as you can imagine, being coordinated also with the red cross, red cross will we've been hearing able to access the hostages prior to them be released and be able to administer some medical care there. but it is going to be a day as long process. and as you mentioned, something that may be extended showed more more hostages be negotiated to be released for every 10 hostages. that will be one more day of safe file. is there anything more specific you can tell us about the palestinian prisoners due to be released as part of this agreement as well?
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the idea is that they will also be women and children. anya, a, there are boys on the list, but no, man, there's been 300 names as i just mentioned that has been potentially released. now . that's all that's of course to find $150.00, that they'll, that no one will take issue with their release, but also to allow for wiggle room for more prisoners to be released. showed more hostages, they release, as i just mentioned, there is a sort of 2nd phase of the deal kind of tied into this one where we could say potentially more hostages released in exchange for more prisoners and will cease fire up to a maximum of 10 days is what it has been published in the cabinet agreements sofa. so in terms of more details on those prisoners, the list has been uh, published the names are out there, but most people i was sort of slowly looking through the list before coming on air . and you see a lot of people who are listed for, for quite pacey crimes,
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i think it's unlikely that we'll say anybody who, who has been a type of tried it any serious crimes being released. and we know also i should add that nobody on the other charge will be released. now, some members of a premier to send us an yahoos coalition. government did not support this hostage release deal. can you explain to us why that is as well, it's the same as quite a contentious deal by many members of the far right sections. we saw 3 members of the ultimate you who did the jewish power positives vote against the hostage deal they service is playing into the hands of her mouse, giving them a free kick if you will. because they say that by giving them these cease fires, that the, this will, this, you know, humanitarian say side. even though it's only for a few days will allow them the opportunity to be able to re, um, to, to re establish and reconnect and walk out. you know,
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ways to go forward in this conflict ways to be able to keep attacking these riley military in this fall. so they were very against it. but in the end and overwhelming majority did vote in favor. 33 versus 3. and even people who had slight concerns, including the finance minutes of the best little smokers, it does appear that they were one of the when you departments like the most side and the internal security services the shouldn't. but said that they were on fact on board with this deal, and i thought that it was good that seem to convince a majority of people to vote in favor. okay. now again, the prime minister is really prime minister, had previously resisted entering into any kind of ceasefire deals. why has he agreed to this one? this i think, is the overwhelming pressure that he's being facing by the families of the hostages, as well as these ready public. and this has affected, you know, as the, the, the psyche of israel. and this riley's and i think there's been
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a lot of pressure on him. we've seen you to protest, we've seen matches, and we've seen lobbying to particular ministers. we've seen the families even in the connected with heated debates with commentary. and so, you know, the problem is there was on the very, very severe pressure to try to get all the hostages out. of course, but some hostages, i think, is better than no hostages at all. and it is what he has been saying as being the 2nd aim of this military operation. one of course being to eradicate from us. but the other, of course, to bring the hostages home. and he has to try and do everything that he can to, to, to make that happen. and we're seeing that the pressure has mounted and the days and days of negotiations. also negotiating with the right functions of his, of his government to try to make sure that everybody is on board. and now obviously he's been able to, a great, you know, he's, it, he's saying parts of the deal. he's been able to agree to this deal. i should say,
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thanks so much the update, rebecca, that's rebecca versus reporting from jerusalem. so now we're hearing fast reactions from those most directly affected by this deal. the relatives of the kidnapped 63 year old, glad condo. it has 7 missing family members who all believe to be among the hostages held by hum us on wednesday morning, gil. i've described his feelings of the news, bro, cuz the truth. and the host is still between israel and hum off one side. i'm on the 2nd award fate because nobody told me that my, uh, familiar with this in this uh, this uh, deal. okay. there it was 40 g, right. and so does that and then go to 13. well, the others and i hope that everybody was released from
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7 weeks. i thing it's never happened in, in my life for sure, but in, in the history of the human beings, like too many instances. so many genuine domain babies to many women and i don't know how i feel right now. i want to be sure that my family will release at least the size of my different low. and then we continue and symbol i'm joined now by our middle east list shawnee or is on us trying to get to get to see you at this deal. it's been weeks and the making of the the hostages were taken on the october the 7th. and tell us more about what's led to this breakthrough. well, i think as well as realize that it's strong operation and gaza is not using the result it wanted. at the beginning there was still hope there was one soldier they
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managed to use really, it forces i the idea of forces managed to release. they realized this is not going to happen, is going international pressure to bring more humanitarian aid into gaza. so it was clear this things to happen in israel wanted. clearly, always to say we're going to pounds. we're going to crush garza and we hope this will make some us agree to concessions and to bring some hostages to be released. and finally, israel feels like this as you know, the result that they wanted. there's also, 1st of all, when it comes to the offensive, i'll put, you know, on the ground. it's the time to move from the south a to from the north, to the south of gauze, and seem to be a good timing. we also, the key here is also for how much, how much wants and needs time to recoup to get fuel, which is the most important thing. they're also getting from the degree aside from humanitarian aid. and it seems like both sides have realized 47 days of attacks and counter attacks have not really you but much more for this moment needs to be some
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change. and we know that is really citizens have 24 hours to petition the high court against the release cards. the palestinian prisoners is part of the steel. how likely is that? and how with the high court react that we will see petitions we already know of. several organizations mostly identified the right wing with a jewish power. a party also that we've, we've heard that we're objecting to still, they will petition. the court will traditionally before i've always always said, this is no, no decision for the court to be passed to both of the government. this was a fully or a political decision. we have, we trust in the government to take the best decision on that. the procedure still needs to be made, they still need to petition, they will probably be rejected, but this also takes time that needs to be calibrated into the system of how we know what the next steps are. tell us about the general response within israel to this hostage deal. i mean, obviously it's been a massively, in most of an emotional situation in israel. it is, it's, you know,
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the hosp just families have been living through health in the last 47 days and, and there's always in his role, there's a lot of emphasis on the sites. psychological warfare off her moss and the feeling that you know, this is an ongoing torture. and so now it's the same thing because one of the reasons we understand has been a delay in the, in the agreement on the deal so far was that her mas refuses to take responsibility on all the kids and, and the moms that are held in, in gaza, they say we know of only a certain amount of them is real, was pushing them, you've got to take the responsibility on all of them. it's still unclear who of the 30 kids that we know of and their mothers will be released. and that also means as families, all these families, everything united in the last 47 days together in this effort to bring back their loved ones, the toner park between them. some of them will get the best news that there are. some of them will still be left hanging, and there's also the fundamental question. if, if, if i am a woman and you know that would be women released, but there was
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a man that is one that needs treatment. why would i get a priority over that? you know, these are internal moral dilemmas. israel is torn with, it's not a happy day. there are many happy days and israel these days. and this one also very cautiously, has a glimpse of hope. but i don't see will. i don't think it will see a lot of gushing and a public, you know, expressions of real joy at everything is still very emotional and very tense. shawnee, rosanna is. thank you so much. we'll come back to you later, but for now, thank you. now in a statement, the full, the cabinet, a nice thing in israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu stressed the pause in the fy saying that's been agreed now does not mean the end of the war with come off. let's take a listen and that's who we are at war, and we will continue the war. we will continue the war until we achieve all our objectives to eliminate him us the raton, although abduct t's and missing persons,
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and ensure that there will be no element in gaza that threatens israel know your single m chanel. you have any sleep is really prime minister then i might call age terry moss and spoke earlier to piece of law. now he's the spokes person. so the is really military the idea. and he often, when the 1st hostages are likely to be released into the framework is being processed. we have a due process in israel, and of course there's a legal process that is only going as uh, your reports. as rebecca announced the, the names of the terrace that are going to be released have been announced to the public. and anybody that has a problem with that list can appeal to the supreme court and not only off of that process is completed, will be, will that be able to be a, an instruction to the military to hold its file. and to enable the, the release of
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a hostages, and that is the terrace inter, uh, as a great the situation on the ground continued, continues this morning to be a come to a situation of come back. the idea is continuing to pursue from us terrace wherever they are hiding. we are destroying and dismantling the tunnel that we are encountering unengaging, the enemy, wherever they are, dose the is rarely army, have a role in the actual release process. the you know, are they are, or the idea of force is going to be escorting the hostages out of gaza delivering the released palestinian prisoners. or what of course the situation is the festival. the role is to hold fire once we receive that instruction. that in itself is a huge freak because we have to be in defensive positions. we need to make sure that's what happened in 2014, where how must continue to, to attack us during c fires and the doctor is ready to solve. this doesn't happen
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again. so of course there's a significant role in maintaining and implementing the government's instructions. but we will do so, nevertheless, the reality on the ground is one where as you rightly quoted the prime minister and if i know is i must still need to go. i must still can never be allowed to wield this sort of death above our heads ever again. and that is why the, the, i for the pause in the, uh, hostility is the pause in the, in the come back will uh, will take place. but also that we are intending i'm to continue our operation in order to relieve the region and bring home more hostages. the hostages now with the youngest, is 10 months old. this is the, the enemy that we are facing. and we are coming to bring all of the hostages home and create a better security rate regime for his riley. some palestinians are like nope, horse of the deal. who is you mentioned is a, is this is a true support,
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a true. so obviously they're still fighting going on there is they're fighting happening right now as we speak criminal in that the operations are ongoing and we are achieving our goals as we speak. absolutely. the reality on the ground is that from us are, are still engaging offices and we are sticking the mouse and pursuing them wherever they are. so they come out of tumbles mon sharpie. g 's are getting stopped forces and we are destroying the tunnel network as we speak. you know, the situation of hostages has been, i mean goes hand in hand with the operational achievements and directives that we've, we've been guided tour since the beginning of the war. and you know, we need the hostages home, but we knew also need from us to go wherever they, all they need to be pursued. helped us are and are you the time us will be able to use the truce to regroup and re arms, specially given that israel has reportedly committed to a points to partial suspension of error recognizance during the troops. so our
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activities will be paused and according to the governments directive at both causes in order in order to enable the access a few minutes are in goods or supplies to the people of gaza. the people have goes up on north our enemy, but how much is the enemy? and of course, this enemy is a ruthless most of us, and i mean, we call trust them and we don't trust them. so of course we will be watching very, very carefully. and utilizing all of the tools available to us in order to address that threats. and indeed it is a threat, but you know, the ideal and the possibility of bringing the hostages home in this case is, is a, a, a, is a most important. and that is why we are focused on bringing them home. now your stated goal is to eliminate from us and remove any military threat from gaza. how close are you criminal down to achieving those goals? so we understand that we have this destroyed extensive
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presence in the northern causal strip. several battalions have been dispersed and destroyed and dismantled. we are engaging the tunnel girlfriend, the tunnel capabilities that how much has a pre positioned and built over the last 16 years. and so in northern goes on and throughout and we are engaging them wherever they are. indeed there is. they still have operational capabilities, but they are definitely on the run. and i would say the results of this agreement, the listing agreement, the framework of releasing hostages is a result of the extreme pressure that the idea of has put on from us on this leadership on this organization. and its ability to conduct this operations, guys. so i would say we're moving close to every closer every single day. so achieving our ultimate goal of securing and save the restoring safety to the people as ro is right, is living in the communities surrounding of because of strep, and allowing them cuz they continue to file rockets that us. and this is something
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we bunch exit and that was peter learners, thanks. testing to the is riley, maybe id speaking to dw earlier at gemini has welcome the deal between israel and hum us foreign minister. and the bad book describes the agreement to release some of the hostages as a breakthrough fuel. so the rifle a to be distributed among the people of gaza, germany as well as the united states, the u. k. and the european union have rejected calls for a long term ceasefire, arguing that it could give how much time to recruit going across straight to the w's. political correspondent, matthew moore, who joins us now from a problem interest to years here in but late. and matthew, has there been any other reaction yet from bell into the news of this hostage deal apart from what we just heard beyond that statement, there really hasn't been much reaction on. yeah. not from the chinese law or other
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government ministers, which i think perhaps speaks to a sense of cautious optimism. some senior n p still has been twitching. mikhail root, a former junior minister in the foreign ministry who happens to be in israel this morning, 3 to 4, to have a meeting with relatives of hostages, a route. it was an important step, but we can only rest when all the hostages are free. another m p treated saying it was a good deal, but at the but that it was vital that cool how mosse brochures were held accountable and disempowered the going back tunneling, a bell bulk statement. she specifically pointed out that being liberated was not with not here with the suffering that these 2 hostages have endured. and again, she talked about the need to use the pauses to get aid to guidance. and what do we know about any dom and national is who, who may be among the hostages as well. we know the of the some 240 hostages being held by how most we understand the small,
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double digit number of them, whole gem and citizenship. last month, actually, some of their relatives traveled to belen, to lobby chancellor shots and presents by maya and other government ministers to do all the kinds to bring their loved ones home and for german audience. it really brought the concept closer to home. relatives were on the talk shows they were newspapers and basically part of their campaign was to, to keep the loved ones very much and the thoughts and minds of the german politicians, both of the german public. and i remember speaking to 190 or of mine whose sister and brother in law and where have a captive by hamas. and he was telling me that, you know, he's helpless, but he's got a few minutes with tons of shots and he told them then that he wanted them to put pressure on egypt and cut off. and you know, i got in touch with the family again and the representatives and they say today they're simply the don't know whether they are relatives will be the ones that will be liberated. and they are basically on direct, closed on sets and see. and we can only hold
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a weight. so do we actually know if the many has played any role, little in these hostage negotiations? well, from the beginning german leaders, i've traveled for the region. chancellor shaw it was how talked with the jordanian king, with the egyptian prize and the mayor of cutoff all key players in the region unimportant . lee calling to its thomas in an interview with dw this week. the foreign minister and the mailbox was quite candid about the diplomatic negotiations. are going kind of fine to seem saying how sensitive the tricky is to negotiate. so we're talking about the, the, the fact that you're dealing with the political wonderful moss, which is tall. and it's very different and it's separate. so the jihad is when based in gaza. and she told somebody that the efforts that the international community was for are and carrying out with their trying to get almost all the hostages. didn't guys in one place just physically have them in one place? i think she was, she was the felt with that but, and put the welfare and make it easier to ultimately secure all of their release
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and not just a few. a few groups at a time. so again, definitely the underlining have felt that says mind coming to an agreement is okay . and we had the foreign minister earlier saying that the truth should be used to get a to goals. and what to help is is doing the descending so officials in order to describe the situation and gaza is disastrous and the a piece of the pledge one more money to united nations and the red cross there. i think again, the number know that lou germany sending to to organizations is a 160000000 worth of aid this year, making sure it gets to thousands is really important if, if i'm appointed an invoice to coordinate not to get the food, walter, medical supplies to the people most the need to make sure that it doesn't go and end up in the hands of from us. matthew more a political correspondent. thank you so much. the update of the president of the
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european commission of slough on the line and has welcome to the hostage deal as well between israel on from us in a statement she said the european commission will do its out most to use this pause for a few minutes harry and serge, 2, gaza, or let's get more on the european reaction from the w correspondent, rising but challenging trends us now from strasburg, which is whether european parliament meets could see rosie the use. welcome to hostage release. a today's plenary debate. what more have you heard from e, u. officials, the officials on low makers from the gathering index room behind me. and of course, the 1st message was really one of a whole hearted welcome to you said it, however, reiterate seats, coal for all hostages, to be released. and there was talk again of trying to use these, these expected polls as a way to search humanitarian aid into gaza. and with that in mind,
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the books who meditation a chief called for great certain amount of tech, tearing access into gaza. so the 8, the same thing can actually make it a note beyond this, there's also been a bit of reflection here, but the longer term looking back, i'm looking to the future and the use foreign policy chief use that braille issued . but i would say was a bit of the indictment of the blocks foreign policy over the last few years, because he said, basically for decades, the u has been talking about as 2 state solution in the middle east. that is what the book officially calls for. but he said that has been backed up by very little action. i want to ask you about joseph brows, comments, because obviously very directly addressing the lack of unity in the when it comes to conflict. i mean, was that picked up in today's the basis who are absolutely, i think it's, it's really interesting use. the officials will try and get a paper over the cracks and the division of course, 27 different member states have different opinions. but here, burrell that you foreign policy chief, really acknowledged it. you said there has been disunity that you haven't spoken
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with one voice. and he acknowledge, she said that he's trying to converge so that you can bring some sort of diplomatic weight here. now, since the start of this itself, tobar 7th attacks you has been united in its condemnation, ulta mos on it's united in it's called for the release of hostages, but where it has been divided is in how to move forward, particularly somebody you've ever state has been calling for a ceasefire, for example, ireland, spain, others have been much more reticent on not fearing that could only serve to a bowl, become honest, which is of course, recognized by the european union as a terror organization. know, with regards to all these divisions which are still in place, i think critics would say that while these important deals like the one we heard about today are being negotiated, it looks like that you really seems to be much more of a bystander of any sort of a real major broker here, and that's what brill was, seems to be referring to written. he said he would like to try and converge positions in order to bring some sort of do
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a political influence in the future. okay, and rosie, we've talked about this humanitarian search to god. so can you just give us a few more details about the the humanitarian aid? what's been discussed about that? so the european union has arrived. quadrupled its humanitarian age to gaza since october 7th. so that's things like medical supplies, things like food, and that's been pretty much accepted by all member states has not been really a big source of division where there has been more debate on us when it comes to development 8. so that's the long term funding, which goes to probably studied. so for example, for infrastructure for education. and there we heard at the very early days after this original attacks by him austin a 9 sprint. but you would be reviewing its development age to palestinians. there was in fact and i.

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