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as well then progress as tough calls to everyone who wants to know more about this topic. the 2nd son of about this story is beyond the headline world in progress. the w talked cost it smells, getting the headlines these days, but the war a new crime has lost. none of its in terms of dates with both sides anxious to make games before the winter impedes that movements on the battlefield from left to right and is capital vilnius, my guess is the prime. is that in good that she money say? what i think is the most to show is that countries stay committed to providing the brain with weapons with needs the financial funds with needs. but everything needs the when the world as the little goes on, how much grace does she have in nature of plans for defending the baltic states. what about human rights and accusations for the board of god?
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so they need to be pushed back. my goodness, along the frontier with by the rules and why take on by doing the diving this you ideas, relations with china, off to taiwan is allowed to open a representative office in the country with its name attached to it. what did you want to prove? you're welcome to come pick some. oh thank you for having me here right now. the new middle east conflict is dominating the world's headlines. how vital is it? the, the west stuff. sometimes it's ios to boil in. you pride. well, it is high. so this is a message that the, my colleagues from the government, myself and also they like mine is the country keep repeating, but i don't really think this will happen because because it's so complicated to sort of work on a couple of problems. and it is natural that the new for that you are information that comes from israel is and got his most probably all taking all
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the public to the public space and visit the media coverage. but on the other side, the, uh, the, uh, the problem i think underlying in both cases, your brain and, and, and, and as well. and also it is related because what, what we see here, both of both bookcase. this is the fact that some of the people think that they can just route 25 floors, rewrite the rules and dictates the democracy. do you worry the, those countries supporting you crying with weapons and ammunition might be less inclined to ship the supplies to care for? they've promised providing bops to keep them from themselves. i don't really think so because i think that most of the country do understand that the problem is long lasting and it's not their fault. you know what your ship, something you promised to to bring to keep it for your phone. but the problem is much wider. the problem is a long time on the financing on the,
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uh, on, on the look, uh, situation of the defense and security in the most of the countries. um, this position that you know that there, there is no, no real risk and there are no real types to, to security may be covered by the authorized for the tri military fat. and of course, the warranty frames has changed this understanding significantly and what the countries need, they need to increase that pension. so that'd be fine. some security. so i think the both the countries of the countries in the region has done years ago and, but for this, you need also to increase the capacity of the military capacities within the democracy to produce 1st and foremost, at the woodmen, the artillery and everything. what is needed, and this is not, you know, that you can save on account of your brain and sort of you'll, you'll pay for it as much. why the, it is, was much why the things that need to be done in the democratic world when it comes
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to the battlefield in ukraine, were you hoping for better results by now from the credit in forces as well? you know, uh frankly, i think this is uh, something that people would say it was uh, uh, come on, i'm just finding. but on the, on the side uh, we must see. uh, what, what's the rough shop allowed to do? uh, during the time that the rain was not given and was not trying to even uh, to be given the kinds of needs. because the level of blinding the level of a sort of problem that was created for, for the premium army within those couple of months, was so huge. that cost is a very hard work for your brain to, to break through. um, even more difficult. but when winter sets in, so everyone's in a hurry, the baffle seems very finally balance, but the moment is not your impression as well. oh, well, my impression is that the,
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the changes in the, in the, in the board a lie has, if i minus the so all the, not the huge. and of course rationally is trying to about to erase some of the new attacks. and in, in, in the region on the bottom most and, and, and the new regional coupons, most probably to control the attention of the, bringing an army from the problem solving from this home board. and this is, uh, this is the way i'm even russian will not count its losses because it doesn't care . lost his brain. it just like a huge challenge given by the just smaller country. it just the democracy has been charged by the office. so in the end, yes, the winter winter time will be much more complicated than the summer and all of them everybody understand that. but i will still say that it's not for us, you know, to make an inclusion or to make judgments on, on them. on the success of bringing an army,
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we just need to be patient that we need to provide a grain with everything we can. and uh, and do everything we can to support the to that side for words, independence, etc, territorial integrity. let's talk um, if we may have bought these you, of nato unity and especially since is being reported that you might like to be the next nato secretary general. i don't know what you've sorry about that, but perhaps you'll smile says everything in you and you spoke of the global forum and telling me even you set the war, had cemented the unity of like minded partners across the world, europe, nato. the whole democratic wealth has never been more united and we must uphold this unity. in this house case, you spoke a little too soon, didn't you? problem turns against you. crime said last month, it wouldn't supply any more weapons off to a current contract. right now we'll have to see what the new government does. hungry won't ship any you're told of as i'm so back here. not one round of ammunition more about was the campaign soaking of the mon robert to feed. so who
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set to be the new prime minister? so this is not that unified, is it? wow, my, i'm a politician. so in most of the cases i separate the political rhetoric, especially when you know that the elections knew me from, from the, from the beach on the, on the ground. and it just not made so that this providing uh, my friends and not to read to you brandy and uh, do you bring it in for it just comes weeks of major members of nato, depending on what, what, what every country can do and isn't a profession to do, i will remind you that from the beginning of this slide to scale invasion, like many countries, we're not in a position to provide any legal weapons to your brain. and it's a lot to us and it took a sort of this that's uh, understanding go all the time that's happened in the district of kia,
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who's with some of the countries to, to, to change his mind. and then to deliver the next range of a i was that was so much needed. so it is somewhat a different situation because it was never like uniform the same and all of a sudden now some countries are not doing it on the union union is not a military law in your union. it's more they have support for a, for a 40 plane just sustain to solve the budget, to support the financial support. also supported the fifty's and up to now all the decisions that needed to be taken for the support of your brain. how by the, by the countries, by consensus, so uh yeah it is not the lessons you know to, to, to, to, to listen somehow of some. 5 to those internal debate that happened, but when it comes to decision making,
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i will not be about pessimist. where are you on the issue of ukraine's membership of you and nato image of the accession to both organizations? oh, it's the most probably easier to say about the you because the process is robert horrible . and there will the evaluation off of your vin commission upcoming this uh this autumn about how successful successful countries. why not only right, but also the others in implementing the interim steps. now they have to take to the bit for the stock of negotiations. so, so they're fighting for european vanity. they're fighting for democracy so that it doesn't, that get taken into account. well, you know, you should not off this live union 5 minutes because the union 5 minutes just before my how many prime ministers and they're all what bidding for the geo
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political inputs all european union to happen to frame in european union before any invasions thought. even before i knew that before 2014, so no, they might hear, but the hormone stuff will still be taken and it's, it's much clearer if you ask me. my understanding is very simple. if this all interesting to you right within the european family, same as with the family, but the whole list of these consensus are on the table so it will take on let's go back to make of july, somebody in your capital values before and what underway. your foreign minister called public key for dates, way points as the product. so as to tie down, you credit your membership, but it didn't get any was it was not as frustrating for you as it obviously was to you guys presidents, the landscape. this is a blessing to,
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to understand that on the one hand, there is a declaration that you praise belongs to me to family and some broad future. but on the other hand, is due to how this notion of a, whenever i agreed. and the condition is not met with the way you do not know what, what exactly conditions are and in the minds of the, of the problem and solve this formula. but i think the green i use every day that is so the price for the rights to be, to belong to european union and nato. and this is something that the countries need to take into account. so of course, the debate will continue until upcoming washington summit, but of course, there are, there are countries that to do that with. so maybe space, but this is not the baltic countries of what exactly it says you can walk away from
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this much hide summit security guarantees from the g 7 countries from now that pretty much worthless. andre, reading the small print, the only from commitment by the g 7, was that in the event of a russians threat to ukraine, they would immediately consult with kia to determine appropriate next steps, a consultation more than 600 days into the largest conflict in europe since the 2nd world war and you can, can rely on what a consultation that's pretty self thing is there. i think your brain can rely and will rely for the foreseeable future on the real support on the ground from the partners military support the financial support and will be able to support the country needs. now, not in, you know, in, in the future. in 10 years or in 15 years, because the business model, the brain was as well. and what i think is most crucial is that countries stay committed to providing the brain with weapons, with needs, with financial positive needs, with everything it needs to when the best of the thousands. but they will do that.
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they will come to supply the weapons, you know, long so far i have no doubt so far. but looking at the look of that is the best from uh, put in on the electron changes in, in many countries, hoping to 70 percent of your time use media evolve. you know, uh, the real leaders. they are like in the us and all the ours, like awesome the western democracies, they all just terminated because they just come for 4 years or 5 years. i'm doing away. and of course, this is you back on the, on the change of political cycle. but i just think that this is that a really, i mean, this is the realistic. i don't think anything will change as let's look if we may add some negroes planning to display your wage and the voltage region last year. your opposite number and estonia kaya carlos was pretty scathing about nato's defensive strategy for the baltic states under the alliance as punk block. she said
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it's tony. would it be wiped off the map by any russian, a bronze? even if the intention was to lose estonia and liberate that later everyone, she said, could see that this trip was concept. doesn't really look, since that statement has nato done anything to rectify the situation? yeah, a lot. because new defense plans have been approved uh before, somewhat before, but for like everyone doing business days or something. and the planning is uh, sort of based on the on, on the real world assumptions. and it is, uh, it is a real defense plan. i will do a site and of course, the approach all the partners. uh, because we have the multi countries all invested. you locked all into all the friends and security. we all have all of the find spending well above the 2 percent or due to be that is the 12 before make
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a whole national member state. but of course we are so small countries um you rely on um, on uh, on the support of our partners and also on the ground that would be present in that in um, in all countries. uh, physically and to most of my thought decisions. i think it might have been taken by a kind of government by the government, all charmer germany. uh. and we are speaking about to the location of the gates of the, you know, within a couple of years. and for this we are building infrastructure and uh uh, and the big big capacity is just to, to welcome the uh, the drama troops as a host nation. so i think a lot is happening funding around you. um, you say that you get more german soups on a couple of years. maybe brigade strikes out stops a long time given what's going on, isn't it? um, well, you know, you have been pressing hard to get these troops now having to and how many has been
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dragging its feet, isn't that right? no, i would not agree with you because what we were discussing about would that be a permanent position in the military exercise base station india or whatever on, on call, or depending on the situation increase on the, on the ground. so the reset significant increase all the partners on the ground now, and this will continue. there is a significant result of military exercises happens in the region and it is very important. but for the long term, there will be a significant increase on permanent presence. and i think this is this a social and the other ones is what would really happen in russia and directory attacked. uh, and they tell me, remember, since every decision, as you say, requires consensus. how does that move them so that the member countries to suddenly agree on what to do with a major event like that? what kind of response did they give? what level, what weapons, what warnings. um, a lot of people seem to assume that article 5 is like an emergency. cool. and you
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dial off on the cavalry arrives. it's not like that. is it? oh i would say about uh, i would agree with this slide down about the article 5. 0 more a couple of years ago. i would be more, it's more a couple of years ago that on board now because i this is amazing of both an annual price of 24 february 2022 also uh 5 as a way to pull all the countries that were talking, there was a real, real mandatory, fred, i mean we have this debate all the time is probably not aware of all the countries my saying, you know, this is not about drawing myself in the past. it's not about complicated history. it's about the reality that we see in russia happening where the country is becoming more and more imperialistic. and so instead of giving the people
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prosperity and economic growth, they will give the people propaganda and, and do are of the of the come through. and this happens, but i think this is, this was also a wake up call for nato as an alliance. and many things have to use and then sweden and finland decided to best for me to membership. and this is also a change in the, in the security of the region given back to a couple of years ago, nobody was not talked about. and you've been reading your power point joining nato . now we have a new defense planning. we have new uh, new pledges for, for, for uh, what's on the ground, and i think this is, this is my for now be immediate danger for you and your region seems to be from hybrid wall sad things like damage to critical infrastructure. we saw of a baltic connect to a gas pipeline between filling in the stone to which i sprung the mysterious leak.
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um, earlier this month, do you have any doubt that the pipeline was intentionally damaged? oh, i have my own theories by and then under the circumstances where the investigation is ongoing. i will leave my mind to yours to myself, and of course we will wait for it because you know of conclusions by finishing this, don't you know how valuable does this incident make you feel? and i think what is important is what we saw also. and you find last or the best that the technical infrastructure. a and everything about this related to the findings, the values is uh, something bad with an account called, but she told us that easily. i mean, no, no, no boundaries have no barriers to this. and this is also a transportation where you can show that a company should feel more comfortable or should feel that they cannot control everything. that is quite complicated to control everything and whatever and what
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have them across the country. but of course, we also learn our lessons and we also make make our own calculations. so we've increased the maintenance of the, uh, 5 to you, the safety measures for our critical infrastructure not long ago was this invasion stop. because we know that russia, in many cases, will consider or something like that, just for the sake of all sorts of inquiries. and finally, among the among the population. some of the number of concerns the time, some of your above your governments observance of human rights among your board. us specifically with regard to migrant push backs. in august 2021. the counselors commission of human rights. right. you're expressing concern that people attempting to enter this idea and then the regular matter may have been summer. labor tend to batteries in violation of your legal obligations. you run the backside month saying
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all the people are treated in compliance with less you ideas, international commitments, several reports since then have contradicted your assurance. while the reports simply roll over you misinformed about the situation? well, i will have to agree, i don't know what reports you uh you refer to it, but i know what happens on my boarder, this is i know from 1st time. so to say. and i know that this must be on the right . can a holidays arrange this artificial flow of migration to make a point again, poland, meeting and lots. we have to push them for lifting the sanctions again against autocratic uh looper triangle or to, to make all the concessions because he just uh, found the way to do so. but i mean, uh, i know what it was submitted and the international conventions, but i also know that the board is all there and the boarders all that are, they should be respect. your constitutional court in june this year declared that
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your detention regime of the board of it was in conflict with all to go 20 of your constitution, protecting liberty. so they ones are the happier than the the human rights commission. whether, oh, we're speaking about one particular uh, part of the law and this part of the law is now on the bottom of the amendment, the doors in the bottom. and this is a regular procedure that happens in the country where somebody uh, refers to a constitutional court and constitutional important. sometimes the permission over legislation is not the, which is what happens then. the legislation in being amended advocacy international says within 2022 alone lithuanian border gods pushed people back to bellows moving 11000 times despite the risk of torture from officials that did you know that oh, i know there was a number of attends to illegally cross the border happening every day. i know that there was a possibility to launch
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a request for political asylum and the border crossing point. and this is, i think, the procedure that should be follow to people once a real political and refugee, i'm from the 11000 push trucks as well. the number of people is not equal to the number of people who are not the same people attempt to cross the border each and every day. my 1st back, sorry, legal, legal, under international law and i on the law. oh, they are not something that to that we find very convenient, but we have an extreme situation because on the increase of really doing migration that was focused rated by the time to reduce the child in our neighbors. so you're saying that just if i push backs, i'm saying that we need to protect the borders of europe in union premier. so let's talk briefly if we met about your poor relations with china, which took a dive when you opened the taiwan representative office a sort of quite as i democracy 2 years ago,
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much to china's disgust where you been deliberately provocative for what, what, what did you hope to prove with this. oh no, we just opened the office now functioning, getting most if you're in the country. but so you knew that it would upset. uh uh the chinese um was it was it was, it was picking a fight with magic. you didn't get that much support from your your um president said it was a mistake. it's not about the upset. think of something the chinese because it's the foreign decision off with union government to increase its relations or intensity of its relations with 500 people. and i see no problem there because it operates. and i think most of you repeating countries, the only question was that there was no new office is open in the recent like 17 or something years. but why should the union government know do this?
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because it wasn't all the reasons i want to just, i don't know because it was how it is operating in so many european countries. so nothing seems to be that you wanted to teach everyone don't tech to around pa, full countries. that was a mistake. perhaps people made with rush, it was it, and you wanted to give an alternative view. oh, i think that with rock shot. so you might have all the all talk receives, we have the same, the same problem because it is not that you can push the way the other side, like speaking, you gently saving that phase is doing something, you know, what is what we usually do in, in in, in, in, out of the wall, if you will be allowed to be pushed, then you will be pushed to the corner from is the, i'm going to remind you said thank you very much for being on conference. so thank you. or the
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