or is until 7 am friday morning, that is according to guitar mediators the time when her loss and israel will stop firing at each other for the 1st time and 48 long days. 9 hours later, a 1st group of 13 women and children of ducted from israel on october 7th, is set to be released, the time of hope and fear with everyone involved aware of the per carridy, the truce, and concern around the world about how the war might continue after the fight, a resumes. i'm gonna go for lucian, berlin, and this is the day the, the beginning of the board will be 7 am. friday, the 24th of november. that's on yahoo! said he'll do everything to minimize civilian casualties. hoping that we are

winning and we will continue to fight until complete victory. it's time to show it now. we can't accept another 10000 deaths and it will last of course as agreed for 4 days before the policy seemed nothing off. we want something long term. we want stuff. we are already $47.00 days in a roller coaster of emotions. today is no different also on the day, finland, it's shutting all but one of the crossing points on its border to russia after a search and people they're seeking asylum. the suspicion moscow is funneling migrants there on purpose or is russia indeed stops to send people? let's say elderly people got sick people, people who are in bad shape in this weather conditions who could potentially even die if that would be the case. that's toxic politically on the finish side,

and that's going to be a test for resilience. welcome to the show. it was supposed to be the 1st day of a pause in fighting between israel and tomas, but an anxiously awaited temporary truce was postponed until friday. israel pounded garza with more air strikes on thursday, its army thing and struck hundreds of moss targets. the attacks hit residential areas across garza including this neighborhood, east of con eunice in the south. the israeli military publish this video of its latest strikes on gaza, saying a moss was deliberately hiding its infrastructure in residential areas. in another video and army spokes person claims soldiers found more evidence of that, highlighting what he said was an entrance to a network of tunnels. other. the richard go ask for the truth between israel and m . oswell is to begin friday morning, according to guitar. a country heavily involved in making it come about guitar,

said she, military and aid would then start flowing into gaza. the 1st batch of civilian hostages will be released later friday afternoon. so it's still unclear when and how many palestinians will be released from is really jails guitars for and ministry spokesperson said all parties were working to ensure that the hostages are released safely. but they. ready be, as i said, headed over to the right across and they won't get into the details of how that goes with after that. but the idea is to make the transfer as safe as possible for all parties. we have to remember this, it was on and we need to make sure, and this is why the discussions yesterday and a went into the actually this this morning to make sure that the executive plan for the implementation of this, the agreement as a trouble suits any possible safeguards against any possible problems within the, at least so. and we can now speak to mark greg if he's israel's former ambassador to the u. k. and currently acts as an advisor to is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. mr. rigg of welcome to the day guitar has announced that 13 hostages

will be released tomorrow. who decides who gets to leave and who gets left behind. so we've, we've received a list of the 13 names that are supposed to be released tomorrow. obviously until the here until the background is ready. so we are of course, a get to see the states and into as prison buttons and until the deal is done, it's not done. so we're going to put off comments about giving the names and so forth until they're back on his release oil. and i just saw refining who was a free no, there was a process where we prioritized at the beginning, uh, children. you know that the out of a must, has a captive side of the people they abducted. there are $32.00 children, including a baby who was kidnapped at the age of 99 months. eh, before the baby could walker tool kit was kidnapped by come us. and i think that's,

that just shows who were up against here and why it is so difficult and why i don't want to, to pre judge, we hope we see the release tomorrow. we're waiting to see how it, how it develops. this deal has been called immoral and painful by members of benjamin that neos cabinets are the marie families and is rare rights in accusing the government of not putting the hostages 1st. know the, the release of the hostages is one of them, major objectives in this operation and we don't believe, but it's not the 1st thing that we would have been, i know, but let me be clear, we don't see a contradiction between the different objectives. why? because we don't believe come, us would be releasing a single hostage if it wasn't for the military pressure at there, under the idea of his being hitting her must have been destroying its mood for input structure, eliminating its command. i mean, so doing, uh, how much is motivated for the timeout for the pores that the release of the hostage gives the and so actually we see the ministry pressure is facilitating the release

of the hostages. i'm us is not releasing these people because they've suddenly become through many terrans. that's obvious. at now, a group of how most victims petitioned is really high court to stop the hostage deal considering that some of the masterminds of the october 7th attack were released in the deal that saki lecture lead freed in 2011. what. 2 the government intend to do to stop that from happening again. once again, releasing people who being convicted of a violent extremism of involvement in terrorism is never an easy decision. but i think we weight up the risks. and the most important thing we believe is we've got a chance to save people's lives because we don't people, you know, especially the young children, to, to, to persevere their underneath the some underground bunker hill. and by come us a if we can get people that we prioritize that now. but the, this is a humanitarian, a pause when the release of the hostages is over. of course the,

the campaign against come us will continue until we have destroyed from us as ministry machine. get them out the door that's control that are being released in the coming days are not going to go then and attack israel and the future. so we can't be a 100 percent. sure ever. i said before, it's just a matter of managing risk and, and in a bad situation. and it's a difficult situation. i'd minute of making a decision between options and to find what is the best option. and we believe getting on people home. it has to have a high priority that you said before, and one of your questions that were being accusations that these, where the government isn't prioritizing the release of hostages, that's simply not true. as the shows early on in the war id have spokesperson, daniel garza, the focus was on destruction, not accuracy. and we have seen this play out over the past month and a half. now the world food program warrens that over to 1000000 people, pretty much all gods and face the immediate possibility of starvation. how does

that help israel achieve its goal of defeating how most? so uh, goal is to target the from us military machine and to, to do everything we can to said god, god civilians. and there is no limitation whatsoever on food and medicine and water entering the gaza strip. that is not correct. that is not good. or what do you say that we're the 100 trucks now entering every day through the rough crossing and where our goal is that we dangerously so maybe it is a and once again, well the 100 trucks are entering the, the, the crossing every day with hopefully we can get up to a 150 soon after that to 200 trucks. we don't see the civilian population of guys or as our enemy on the country in many ways. they're also victims of this terrible from us regina that has been in power and gas up for 16 years. and what does that boat the people guys are uh its both in pain suffering and, and impoverishment. yeah. a suffering that, that a lot of people right now are arguing is being exacerbated by the blockade that was

intensified on october 7th. but let's move on because the answer that can i answer the, allow me to answer that. because because i don't think there's a situation of war ever in the history and you will tell me if i'm wrong, but they declared war on us on october 7th. and yes, they want the crossings to be open and, and for trade to continue. and so what, that's a logical tells me another example of a war between 2 countries, and at the same time you supply them with the everything is business as usual. that's not the amount of harry, the doors and safe balance would be an opposite. we'd like to get that the but that we do do to be fair. we do do that well, when you, when doubts that you're safe zones are really safe for people to, to stay and also unrealistic for all the people who are right now in need of shelter and, and, and housing and attention. and that those zones are simply too small. but let's move on because there's lots i want to talk to you about,

but it's already sent me shortly. i should be allowed to answer. if you are raises an accusation, please allow me to answer. i think it's fair to have the un has called for a humanitarian, a c spot to end all the funding from stuff. and that leaves from us in power. and the u. n. a is wrong with that issue. the secretary did what is simply wrong because the code for c spy, that leaves come us in power means. then we're going to have more october, 7th come us has said their own leaders have said after the october, 7th massacre of these rarely civilian population. they have said, given the opportunity, they would do it again and again and again. all right, that means no. butchering about doubting the right one of these really women to understand what i told you in the, in the has it been wrong. but, but let me ask you this. even if you manage to eradicate, i'm off infrastructure in gaza. their ideas, their international backers and other militant groups wishing to wipe is real off, the map will prevail. so what does the end game here?

i don't agree with the assumption in your question, i apologize, but i don't think it's true. you defeated the west defeated isis in syria and iraq, and in both countries. they were better off with that isis. and in the same way, gaza will be better off with ask them us rule. it will be better for the people of his round who won't have to live in fear of, of terrace crossing the border and butchering the people in the middle. the not, but the people have gaza will have a regime. it won't be a terroristic stream. is crazy. regime like thomas's whole, instead they'll have, have a government that looks after their own interest about a city and government. the rule that, that, that actually cares about the well being of the people of god. because it's clear, come, us has a know eh, prioritize, no priority whatsoever to the well being. and people have gone to the recording. governments shows that i'm sure that when this is over and the people of guys that can speak freely because today they live under a terrible victorian regime. they can speak freely. but once this regime is

destroyed, you will him from god's or an outpouring of pent up anger against come us the starting this war and creating all this destruction. well, let's talk about the day after them and who will be able to shape gaza because the v is really prime minister. your boss netanyahu has said that israel maintain security control of the strip for an indefinite period. the us state department has been very clear saying that the gaza is palestinian land and will remain palestinian land will the palestinian for the day in it. so israel says clearly we don't want to uh, reoccupied guys, we don't want to rule the people of gaza on the country. we want to see palestinians real guys. but what we say we have 2 principles, which i think the international community can agree to. one of the guys that needs to be demilitarized, and the 2nd, the guys that needs to be de radicalized. we want to see

a government in gaza. that is a government that, that, that actually deals with the problems of the people in guys, unemployment, social services, education, and so forth. that's clearly not happening on the come us, the people of guys that deserve better. you are correct when you say that for some the sale, but the future is one has to have overriding security control of gaza. but that doesn't mess updates. and that doesn't necessarily mean is ready. middle truck, your patient. we could, we could be on the outside on the envelope of gaza and going when we need to go in to deal with an emerging terrace threats. we didn't go through all this just as the terrace gain control and again in gaza. and we can't take our off the bull, we saw what happened on october 7th. we have a responsibility to our own people to protects them. but given that we have no trouble with a peaceful government in gaza, which is run by palestinians, full palestinians. yeah. allow me one more question because we're running out of time, but now that you can talk about kind of dropping the ball. many israelis blame one

man for what happened on october 7th, and that is benjamin netanyahu over 70 percent of israel is right now. want him gone, why should he stay in the post and shape the future of israel and the posting and towards the territories? so as you know, since the october, 7th, mexico, that people uh, is ready to become unified, around the goal, to defeat from us. and actually from a coalition point of view, and you've got a coalition government in germany too, it has widened the potty a major part of it was an opposition moved in to support the government for the duration of the conflict and is in support of the goals and i think you've seen these really people who have been polarized, politically over the last 3 months, move together, united as never before. 3 goals, one destroy, come us as military machine to get out hostages, home and 3, you have a new situation in gaza where there is no longer a a terrorist enclave on a southern border. the that, that threatens the lives of people as mark or i guess advisor to is really prime

minister benjamin netanyahu. thanks for your time. thank you for having me. and we can go straight to ariel bernstein. he is a former, as really soldier who fought in the gaza war of 2014. he is known activist against israel's occupation of the palestinian territories with the enjo breaking the silence. the veterans group collect anonymous. testimonies of alleged abuses by israel's military and has been heavily criticized by the non yahoo government. good to see you, mister versity. now your recently wrote in the guardian, military response cannot on its own bring security in your opinion, which would be the government's response to the threat posed by i'm us. uh, 1st of all, thank you for having me. um, i wanna say that to answer your question, we need to speak about how we got to this point. uh once were deep into um, uh, is completely dangerous and violent escalation that we're seeing. it's quite difficult

for me to say exactly how to get out of it, but what i know is that this could have been prevented. this isn't something that just came out of nowhere. we've seen this coming, so it's not coming as a surprise. and obviously, after what some of the 2 are people, the evil and violent massacre of innocent people, i believe we do have the right to have a response. but military responses, what we're saying is that the military's funds on it by itself will not solve the core issues of this conflict. as someone who thought and goals are yourself, what goes through your mind when you see images of idea of soldiers fighting house to house in the middle of a then civilian population to yeah, so every time there is what we call in israel around, which is basically an escalation of violence between us and, and the gaza strip in the population to come us and take him back right away to my

experience crossing that fence. um, 9 years ago, i crossed that fence with my unit so you know how with deep commitment in my heart to the people and the citizens as the citizens of israel and of the state of israel . and 1st of all, for my friends from the unit, and it was probably one of the most intense and difficult experiences of my life. and it follows me today. and every time i see escalation in that area, it takes me back to those to those days where i experienced the most devastating destruction that i've seen. and what war is, is, is, is ugly. it's difficult. but what i believed is that we're gonna give a blow the some of that is going to limit them and hurt them for the future. and then i believe that the state but send me there. the state of israel has the

responsibility and that they would, they wouldn't be responsible enough to do anything possible having to prevent from us getting to another round of a floor. oh, it looks like we lost him there. that was aerial, bernstein is really veteran, an anti occupation activist. thank you. if you can still hear us the and the 2nd, someone says it will close all but one of border crossing with russia due to a search and asylum seekers. the decision comes after it's that several other as last week. i'll think he is accusing most count funnelling people to its borders. russia has denied that claim a desperate humans. one of the hybrid warfare weapons moscow

frequently uses to try to intimidate its neighbors. this time, the deployment of hundreds have been adequately dressed asylum seekers in finland has prompted the government to close border crossings with russia. that's on a level, at least the, even though the numbers have not been so significant on their own scene and wants to send a clear message. so this is not acceptable. so my story means though is how it's on my face. official say the latest arrivals at mitigating russian assistance, even basis came upon late. the root is that be flying on are flown to most school where they get help the probably for i've seen what the actual of us this reverse is longstanding cooperation in which russian border officials would prevent people without visa is from going further. now that report in lead, driving the groups of mostly young men to the border area, giving them bicycles. although crossing by both bike and foot or band. and in some cases, even physically pushing people across the border. if they show reluctance,

the russian government calls such that use ations groundless. and dylan's border restrictions absurd. you, what should we hope? the common sense will prevail in housing, kids, and they will abandon destructive ideas like the total closure of the border. the to grand usa, helsinki has asked for backup of 60 officers from the european union's border control agency, front tax to russia. we say we will not let you divide us to finland. we say your opinion union is behind you. under international law, finland must keep open at least one land route for asylum seekers to lodge applications. when the government close to the fore crossings in southern finland, it kept 2 more open to facilitate this process, but worn more counter measures may be taken. the situation could soon become more difficult both practically, and politically. even if the number of arrivals doesn't escalate dramatically,

the temperature is dropping. is rushing deed stops to send people. let's say elderly people got sick people, people who are in bad shape in this weather conditions who could potentially even die if that won't be the case? that's toxic politically on the finish side, and that's going to be a test for resilience. but opening the gates would also be dangerous, but also send a signal that that'd be on the day. we can be pressured to do a rush alons by the end of this interview, henry von, and then was getting news alerts that asylum seekers in poor physical condition were indeed turning up at the border. a dilemma for the finish government made no less precarious, just because it was predictable now or a horse fund and terry schultz a file that story joins us now. terry gives us a sense of the scale of the problem that finland is facing. well, no one in finland is pretending that you have a situation like the mediterranean, where thousands of people, you know, are,

are clinging to the edge of life is as they try to get across the border. but for finland itself, the increase has been exponential. you know, it went from having 0 people trying to cross it legally earlier this year to now up to 700 this month alone. and so for the sins, what they're worried about is how much higher that number could go, how many more people rush it could help push over the border. and what are the intentions behind to this? what exactly is russia trying to do by, by sending these hundreds of people into finland and, and they presume it is just to be stabilized society and try to raise divisions about what policy to follow. and it has been a difficult situation for the government already. but they're managing now with the numbers as in the relatively low figures. finance, as this is a case of russia using migrants as part of a hybrid warfare against finland. what do they mean by that? a wholesale and is very, very experienced. and these tactics from russia,

it's under constant attack. there are always cyber attacks and social media campaigns against the finish government. lots of russian trolls that attack fins of finish a government to personalities on twitter and on acts and so on. so phil is very experienced with this and is actually seen this a situation with migrants coming over the border once before in 2015 in 2016. so it's pretty obvious to the friends that the russians are helping. i mean, these people don't show up on their own coming from the mid east and error of countries somehow getting bicycles and, and coming across the border. so they know that the russians are helping the, some of the new arrivals have admitted to the garret getting help from russia. and so, as i said, they're just trying to, it's clear that moscow is trying to do stabilize, been linden in any way possible that it's getting a strongly cold there on finland's, northern florida, or what sort of conditions are migrants facing their, you know, from

a humanitarian perspective to you and it's going to get worse for them because as we were saying in our report, now only the very northern point to the further north is going to remain open enough. some purpose bull on the part of this bins to try to deter people from going up even further north. now we're even hearing from the russian side that hundreds of people are up there waiting to cross the border. and that it's getting hard to host them. the governor in the merman scrooge, and said that there would be accommodated intense and they're, you know, being given heating and, and warm tea. but it's obviously uncomfortable even for the russians on that side. so this is one of the dilemmas is going to be in front of the spanish government if, if these people are stuck on the russian side and they start to suffer hypothermia being in bad health, possibly even death. there's going to be a lot of pressure to let them through, even though they don't want to give into russian tactics. so this is really what the finish government is worried about. what the situation is that lies ahead. that

was dw, corresponding terry shows. thank you. so much for your reporting. and that's our time already, but make sure to stay informed. stay engaged and stay in touch. you'll find us on social media. our handle there is actually the good news. the way this headlines you're looking for. there is, of course, always our website that is d w dot com for now though, from the entire team here on the day. thank you so much for spending parts of your day, but that's the

to the point. strong opinions, clear position. international perspective. ukraine's counter offensive have so far failed to show significant victories. last time your nation and financial support from the west means ukrainians are dreading the approach in winter. this week on to the point we asked, failing against russia, can you create survivor board to the point next on d w, answer the call to fix that fix not getting the headlines these days,

but the warning ukraine has lost none of its intensity. finally, capitol hill, just my guess is the assignment assess in regards to money as the more goes on, how much space does she have in nature plans for defending the voltage space? conflict in 16 minutes on dw, the, the taste we have a problem that was in the us middle class income has fairly risen in the last 20 to 30 years. at the same time debt keeps rising. don, no, but a stair

t leads to higher unemployment. and slows down, the economy was a card, you've reached the 300 trillion that trump stuff. december 9, dw, the ukraine's highly anticipated counter offensive has so far failed to show significant victories with dire consequences for its troops. the shortage of that munition and less support from the west have brought the war against russia to a steps too many ukrainians are dreading the approaching winter because of renewed russian attacks on critical infrastructure. and they're also worried about being abandoned by the west altogether. will the winter bring a war of exhaustion that further jeopardize ukrainian integrity.