don, the phone, but this is derek. g leads to higher unemployment and slows down. the economy was a card. you've reached the 300 trillion that trump dot december 9 on d w. the, it's not getting the headlines these days, but the war and ukraine has lost none of its intensity with both sides anxious to make games before the winter impedes the movements on the battlefield. from the few agnes capital vilnius, my guest is the prime minister in good that she let me say, what i think is most to show is that the country state committed to providing the brain with what kinds of needs the financial positive needs. everything needs the when the, as the little goes on, how much grace does she have in major plans for defending the voltage states. what about human rights and accusations for the border guards have been legally pushed

back? my goodness, along with frontier, with by the ruse. and why take on by doing the diving this, you ideas, relations with china, off to taiwan, is allowed to open a representative office in the country with its name attached to it. what did you want to prove? you're very welcome to come pick time. oh, thank you for having me here right now. the new middle east conflict is dominating the world's headlines. how vital is it? the, the west stuff, sometimes it's i off the bone and you pride. well, it is high so, and it's just the message that my colleagues from the government myself and also that like mine is the country people repeating. but i don't really think this will happen because of course it's so complicated to sort of work on a couple of problems. and it is natural that the new for that you information that comes from israel is caused by his most, probably now taking

a while the public because of how much space on that the media coverage. but on the other side, the, uh, the, uh, the problem i think underlying in both cases, your brain and, and, and, and as well. and also is related because what, what we see here, both of both bookcase. this is the fact that some of the people think that they can just tell me by floors. i rewrite the rules and dictates the democracy. do you worry the, those countries supporting you crying with weapons and ammunition might be less inclined to ship the supplies to care for? they've promised the preferred baths to keep them from themselves. i don't really think so because i think that most of the country do understand that the problem is long lasting and it's not about you know what your ship, something you promised to to bring on, keep it for your phone, but the problem is much wider. the problem is a long time on the financing on the uh, on,

on the look at a situation of the defense and security in the most of the countries. um, this position that you know that there, there is no, no real risk. and there are no real types to, to security, may be targeted, but not the authorized for the tri military fat. and of course, the warranty frames has changed this understanding significantly. and what the countries need, they need to increase that pension. so that'd be fine. time security. so i think the multi countries of the countries in the region has done years ago and, but for this you need also to increase the capacity of the military capacities. remember, democracies do it to produce 1st and foremost, at the equipment they artillery and everything. what is needed and this is not, you know, that you can save on account of your brain and sort of you'll, you'll pay for it as much. why this is what's much, why the things that need to be done in the democratic well,

when it comes to the battlefield in ukraine, were you hoping for better results by now from the credit in forces? well, you know, uh frankly, i think this is uh, something that people would say it was uh, uh, come on, i'm just finding. but on the, on the side. uh, we must thing. uh what, what's the rough shop allowed to do? uh, during the time that the rain was not given and was not trying to even uh, to be given the kinds of needs. because the level of blinding the level of a sort of problem that was created for, for the premium army within those couple of months, was so huge back the cost is a very hard work for your brain to, to break through um, even more difficult. but when winter sets in, so everyone's in a hurry, the baffle seems very finally balance, but the moment is not your impression as well. well, my impression is that the,

the changes in the, in the, in the board a lie has, if i might say so long, not huge. and of course, you're actually trying to uh about to erase some of the new at toxin in, in, in the regional box mode and, and, and the new regional coupons most probably to, to draw the attention of the, bring an army from the problem solving from this home are, and this is uh, this is the way, i mean, what russia will not count as losses because it doesn't care about losses and for your brain. and just like a huge challenge given by the just small country is just a democracy has to charge my office. so in the end, yes, the winter winter time will be much more complicated than the summer and all of them. everybody understand that. but i will still say that it's not for us, you know, to make an inclusion or to make judgments on, on them. on the success of bringing an army,

we just need to be patient that we need to provide a grain with everything we can. and uh, and do everything we can to support the see that side forwards, independence, etc, territories and type. let's talk um, if we may have bought these you, of nato unity, especially since it's being reported that you might like to be the next nato secretary general. i don't know what you sorry about that, but perhaps you'll smile says everything in you and you spoke of the global forum and telling me even you set the war, have cemented the unity of like minded partners across the world. europe, nato. the whole democratic world has never been more united and we must uphold this unity. in this house case, you spoke a little too soon, didn't you? problem turns against you. crime said last month, it with the supply. any more weapons off of the current contracts or not, we'll have to see what the new government does hungry when ship any. it's old number as as the back here. not one round of ammunition more about was the campaign

soaking of the non rubber to feed. so who set to be the new prime minister? so this is not that unified, is it? wow, my, i'm a politician. so in most of the cases i separate the political rhetoric, especially when you know that the elections, newman, from, from the, from the beach on the, on the ground. and it just not made so that this providing uh weapons and not to read to you brandy and uh, do you bring it in for it just comes from salt major or just members of nato, depending on what, what, what every country can do and isn't a profession to do, i will remind you that from the beginning of the slide, the scheme and vision like many countries, where i'm not in a position to provide any legal weapons to your brain and it's a lot to us. and it took a turn of this that's uh, i'm this time we go all the time that's happened in the district of kia,

who's with some of the countries to, to, to change his mind and then to deliver the next range of i was that was so much needed, so it is somewhat a different situation because it was never like the same and all of a sudden now some countries are not doing it on the union union is not the military law in your union. it's more they have support for a, for a, for your brain, just sustain the thought, the budget to support the financial support also supported the fifty's and up to now all the decisions that needed to be taken for the support of your brain. how by the, by the countries, by consensus. so uh yeah, it is just not the lessons you know to, to, to, to, to less than somehow uh, sometimes those internal debate that happen. but when it comes to decision making i

will not be above pessimist. where are you on the issue of ukraine's membership of you and they so image of succession to both organizations? oh, it's the most probably easier to say about the you because the process is robert horrible . and there will the evaluation off of your vin commission upcoming. this uh, this autumn about how successful successful countries, why not only your brain, but also although on others in implementing the interim steps that they have to take to the bed full day is talking to negotiation. so around. so they're fighting for european vanity. they're fighting for democracy so that it doesn't, that get taken into account. well, you know, you should not off this live union prime minister because the union prime ministers before my how many prime ministers and they're all,

what bidding for the geo political inputs. all european union to happen to frame in european union before any invasions thought, even before i knew that before 2014. so i know they might hear, but the foremost that's not will still be taken and it's, it's much for yeah. if you ask me, my understanding is very simple. if this all interesting to you right within the european family, same as with the family, but i'll listen these consensus around the table so it will take on. now let's go back to nathan's july, somebody in your capital values before and what underway. your foreign minister called public key for dates, way points as he put it, so as to tie down your credit, your membership, but they didn't get any was it was not as frustrating for you as it obviously was to you guys, presidents, the landscape. this is a blessing to,

to understand that on the one hand, there is a declaration that you praise belongs to may till finally in some broad future. but on the other hand is due to have this notion of uh, uh, one of uh, agreed. and the condition is not met with the way you do not know what, what exact conditions are and in the minds of the, of the problem and solve this formula. but i think the brain i use every day that is so the price for the rights to be, to belong to european union and nato. and this is something that the countries need to take into account. so of course, the debate will continue until upcoming washington summit, but of course, there are, there are countries back to the about the with. so maybe they kept it. but this is not the baltic countries. and what exactly it says you can walk away from this much

hide summit security guarantees from the g 7 countries from now that pretty much worthless. andre, reading the small print, the only from commitment by the g 7, was that in the event of a russians threat to ukraine, they would immediately consult with kia to determine appropriate next steps, a consultation more than 600 days into the largest conflict in europe since the 2nd world war and you can, can rely on watch a consultation. that's pretty himself thing is live. i think your brain can rely and will rely for the foreseeable future on the real support on the ground from the partners military support the financial support. and it will be able to support the country needs now, not in, you know, in, in the future. in 10 years or in 15 years, because this is the model that your brain was as well. and what i think is most crucial is that countries stay committed to providing the brain with weapons, with needs, with financial positive needs, with everything it needs to when the war band, the announcement they will do that,

they will come to supply the weapons, you know, long so far i have no doubt so far, but looking at the look. 7 that is the best from uh, put in on the electron changes in, in many countries, hoping to 70 percent of your time use media evolve. you know, uh, really there's a empower like in the us and all we are like awesome the western democracies. they all just terminated because they just come for 4 years or 5 years. i'm doing away. and of course, this is you bet on, on the, on the change of political cycle. but i just think that this is that a real, i mean, this is a realistic. i don't think anything will change. so let's look if we may add some nato's planning to particularly your region, the voltage region last year. your opposite number and estonia kaya carlos was pretty scathing about nato's defensive strategy for the baltic states under the

alliance as punk block. she said it's tony. would it be wiped off the map by any russian, a bronze? even if the intention was to lose estonia and liberate that later everyone, she said, could see that this trip was concept. doesn't really look, since that statement has nato done anything to rectify the situation? yeah, a lot because new defense plans have been approved before. so what before, but for everyone doing business need to solve it. and the planning is a sort of based on the, on, on the real world assumptions. and it is a, it is a real defense plan. i was able to say. and of course, the approach all the partners because we have the both the countries all invested, you locked our into our defense and security. we all have all the fund spending well above the 2 percent or due to be not as. busy the 12 before make

a whole national member state. but of course we are to small countries. um we rely on um, on the, on the support of our partners and also on the ground that would be present in that . and in all countries, particularly, and to most of my thought decisions, i think of this is, might have been taken by a kind of government by the government, all charmer germany. uh. and we are speaking about to the location of the gates of the, you know, within a couple of years. and so this, we are building infrastructure and uh, uh, and the big big capacities to, to, to welcome the of the german troops as a host nation. so i think a lot is happening from the ground you. um, you say that you get more german soups on a couple of years. maybe brigade strikes out stops a long time, given what's going on, isn't it? well, you know, you have been pressing hard to get these troops now having to and how many has been

dragging its feet? isn't that right? i know i would not agree with you because what we were discussing about would that be apartment and stationing would not be a military exercise based. busy station india or whatever on, on call, or depending on the situation increase on the, on the ground. so there is a significant increase all the partners on the ground now, and this will continue. there is a significant result, military exercises happens in the region, and it is very important. but for the long term, there will be a significant increase apartment in presence. and i think this is the social and the other ones is what would really happen in russia and directory attack. and they tell me, remember, since every decision, as you say, requires consensus. how does that move inside the member countries to suddenly agree on what to do with a major event like that? what kind of response did they give? what level, what weapons, what warnings? um, a lot of people seem to assume that article 5 is like an emergency. cool. and you

dial off on the cavalry arrives. it's not like that. is it? oh, i would say about uh, i would agree with this slide down about the article 5. 0, more a couple of years ago, i would be more it's more a couple of years ago that on board now because i this is amazing. the annual price of 24 february 2022, also uh 5. as a way to pull pull the countries that were talking, there was a real, real mandatory fred, i mean we have this debate all the time is probably not aware of all the countries by saying, you know, this is not about drawing much on the box. it's not about complicated history, it's about the reality that we see in russia happening where the country is becoming more and more imperialistic. and so instead of giving the people

of prosperity and economic growth, they will give the people propaganda and, and do are of the of the come through. and this happens, but i think this is, this was also a week, a goal for nato as an alliance. and many things have to use and then sweden and finland decided to best for me to membership. and this is also a change in the, in the security of the region given back to a couple of years ago. nobody was not talked about some even reading your power point and joining nato. now we have a new defense planning. we have new uh, new ledges for, for, for uh, what's on the ground. and i think this is, this is my for now be immediate danger for you and your region seems to be from hybrid wall sad things like damage to critical infrastructure. we still have a bolted connect to a gas pipeline between filling in the stone to which i sprung the mysterious leak.

um, earlier this month, do you have any doubt that the pipeline was intentionally damaged? oh, i have my own theories by the under these circumstances where the investigation isn't going, i will leave my, uh, my theories to myself. and of course, we won't wait for it cuz you know of conclusions by finishing this, don't you know, on the boat? does this incident make you feel? and i think what is important is what we saw also in the new crime. last or the best that the technical infrastructure on the market and everything about this related to the findings. the values is uh, something about what the account call that she talked about easily as no, no, no boundaries have no barriers to this. and this is also a test situation where you can show that a company should feel more comfortable or should feel that they cannot control everything. that is quite complicated to control everything and whatever and what

have them across the country. but of course, we also uh learn our lessons and we also make uh make our own calculations. so we've increased the maintenance of the uh, safety safety measures for our critical infrastructure not long ago when this invasion started. because we know that russia, in many cases, will consider or something like that, just for the sake of all sorts of inquiries. and finally, among the population, funding is the number of concerns, the thompson of your, above your governments. observance of human rights among your board. us specifically with regard to migrant push backs. in august 2021. the counselors commission of human rights. right. you're expressing concern that people attempting to enter and issue a new and then the regular matter may have been summer. labor tend to batteries in violation of your legal obligations. you run the backside month,

say all the people are treated in compliance with less you ideas, international commitments, several reports since then. have contradicted your assurance. while the reports simply roll over you misinformed about the situation? well, i will have to agree, i don't know what reports you uh you refer to it, but i know what happens on my boarder, this is i know from 1st time so to say. and i know that it was the can a holidays arrange. this artificial flow of migration to make a point again, poland. yeah, lots. we have to push them for lifting up. essentially again, it goes autocratic the channel or to, to make all the concessions because he just, uh, found the way to do so. but i mean, uh, i know what it was rented and the international conventions, but i also know the borders all there and the boarders all that are they should be respect your um, constitutional court in june this year. the glad that your detention regime at the

border was in conflict with all to go 20 of your constitution, protecting liberty. so they ones are the happier than the the human rights commission. whether, oh, we're speaking about one particular uh, part of the law and this part of the law is now on the bottom and the amendment, the bottom. and this is the regular procedure that happens in the country where somebody refers to a constitutional court and constitutional important. sometimes the permission over legislation is not the, which is what happens then. the legislation being amended advocacy international says within 2022 alone lithuanian border gods pushed people back to bellows moving 11000 times despite the risk of torture from officials that did you know that oh, i know there was a number of attends to illegally cross the border happening every day. i know that there was a possibility to launch

a request for political asylum and the border crossing point. and this is, i think, the procedure that should be follow to people once a real political and refugee. i'm the 11000 push backs as well. the number of people is not equal to the number of people who are not the same people attempt to cross the border each and every day. my 1st back, sorry, legal, legal, under international law. and i under you law, oh, they are not something that to that we find very convenient, but we have an extreme situation because on the increase of the migration douglas orchestrated by the top in our neighbor. so you're saying that just if i push backs, i'm think that we need to protect the borders of europe in union from here. so let's talk briefly if we met about your poor relations with china, which took a dive when you opened the taiwan representative office

a sort of quite as i democracy 2 years ago, much to china is discussed where you been deliberately provocative for what, what, what did you hope to prove with this? oh no, we just opened the office now functioning, getting most if you are in countries. but so you knew that it would upset. uh, uh the chinese um was it was it was, it was picking a fight with magic. you didn't get that much support from your, your own president service was a mistake. it's not about the upset. think of something the chinese because it says foreign decision off with union government to increase its relations or intensity of its relations with 500 people. and i see no problem there because it operates. and i think most of you repeating countries, the only question was that there was no new office is open in the recent like 17 or something years. but why should the union government know do this?

because it wasn't all the reasons i want to just, i don't know because it was how it is operating in so many european countries. so nothing seems to be that you wanted to teach everyone don't tech to around pa, full countries. that was a mistake. perhaps people made with rush, it was it, and you wanted to give an alternative view. oh, i think that with rock shot. so you might have all the all talk receives, we have the same, the same problem because it is not that you can push the way the other side, like speaking, you gently saving that phase is doing something, you know, what is what we usually do in, in in, in, in, out of the wall, if you will be allowed to be pushed, then you will be pushed to the corner from is the good to to mind. you said thank you very much for being on company. so thank you. of the,

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