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of the same 60 minutes on d w, we just got some hot tips for your package. the code is spots affinities. check on some great cultural memorials to boot the w travel. we got the best as the, the news africa coming up on the program, measuring the strength of democracy in countries with a recent history of conflicts, selection, campaigning, takes off in the democratic republic of congo. we find out how, for as part of the country as well as crucial exercise, especially the face of ongoing violence by hoops the meanwhile, the liberia presidents village where is shown the red card for poor performance. a secret pass through,
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handled by the comfortable scene to the veterans politician. we discussed where this nice the country and climate change on human actions tend the forest into a desert, but not a group of refugees and cumberland island admission to be vast of damage and make the area green. once again, the i eddie mike are junior and you are welcome to the program. but let's go. campaigns are on the way and the democratic republic of congo had of december as general elections. of this time, more than 20 candidates of buying for the top job. the country had its fast piece full translational pie in 2019, when the car ins, precedents for this to security to power. now he's asking voters who trust him to lead for. i'm not about him, but critics say he's failed to deliberate and promises to and conflict corruption
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and economic inequality. dibiase is the largest country in sub saharan africa. it says board is with 9 neighbors and it's key to regional stability that has globally significant and natural resources such as cobalt copa on diamonds. despite this many companies, people are shuts out of the country's mineral wealth. the world bank says the d l. c is one of the 5 porous nations in the world conflict on the instability of plague, d l, c for decades. and there are concerns about the electoral process once be as free and fair as it should be. the theater performances are rare. in contrast, as king bun said, k neighborhood, this one isn't just providing entertainment, put on some information about the upcoming election, and why it's important to vote. and that's in our community. there are
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a lot of visitors, people that are many young mothers who haven't had the chance to go to school. and that's why we have a problem with information and communication. we lack electricity and it's hard for us to fund it, the newest and most to have an idea of what is going on in the world, the z z y. you won't be back to me. so oh, we need we are afraid that that will be fraud. i should let us vote for a citizen who has the problems of the population in mind. not, not as a tool, but not the want of truth. and selections that are really transparent the spot life in contrast to is tough away from the city center for infrastructure makes everything complicated and got
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in violence is on the rise. present felix to see katie wearing white is running for re election. he won the 2018 election that was mobbed by violence and upset of say, that was massive fraud even so it was considered con, goes 1st democratic translation of power to should katie is promising his supporters investment in education and jobs and to stop the war in the east he's leading in the polls, but some say he's taken advantage of his position. a local if i take the candles, why? um the packages have hanging up pictures of the present in some public buildings or installing banners before the official started the campaign period to go. i think to get that this shouldn't be praised as an advantage to the sort violations of the
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law. so that should be denounced as they bring the political game out of balance and basic. even this policy, the opposition is divided. mountains by eulu was the strongest challenge in the last election. businessman moyes the could to be as popular in the mining region of concerned while he was once the governor and 10 is more quick, a adult to a nobel peace low yet made international headlines when he declared this candidacy, human rights activist for us didn't. maqueta says he had hoped that the civic space would open up under 2 should katie. but he said that the current situation is mixed up k no. yeah. but could you describe the n a o c, lynn to hear about lots of cases of hate speech and intolerance by the supporters
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of certain political parties to get a method to? the schumacher was obvious to the idea on the presidential candidates, so travel to southern provinces and what peoples their stone set them equal it d u d there ma'am. uh, let be d. like you think it'd be that where attempt is to prevent that going from holding the to is it not that the members do live on patient that daniel helped me think in the back up the theater performers compared voting to account the lease tradition. but village community is decide to get uh, it gets the privilege to play the drum, hoping the audience will take the chance to have the se, in who gets a set the beat to the whole country. joining me now is my colleague and did of using the house experts, isaac and gabby, who's been closely following events in the d. l. c. hello, isaac, welcome to the program. so that seems to be concerned the upcoming elections wants
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to be free and fair. why is that as well, thank you for having me to begin with is the 1st time that this concerns i've been that we had to submit situation 5 years ago that was in 2018 and is still the same story. but maybe perhaps of that same up to us, but i mean the number of, of reasons, 1st of all, uh, one of the be candidates mountain fi. you look for my eggs and my be executive has already pointed out that the incumbent president is felix. the security has tuft the editor commission. we've, he's load and it's an old. so judges of the supreme court. we have people close to him. so or a day just go towards in what could be a type of war in case they have concerns about delta t or the transparency of these elections. and again, we have some of this tuition where the electrical mission seems not to be with the,
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you know, improvements of the country to deliver 14 by to remember for the, for meet an edge before it does, out of the 100000000 population of the i see yeah, that's another factor again, as usual 5 does, a good was the same, the same problem, civil side to groups of risk of sense that but some of the country could be this in front chased. i'm talking about a bunch of eastern combo, which was of the same story, a 5 guys a go, and we had a section of believes would be disenfranchised. whether the anybody to the or not, it's another story. but again, yeah, the concerns that goes on is that it might not be free and fair and it's up in the establishment of the governments in contrast to ensure that, that produced candidates a free to campaign and the free to cut off my blood vision. and maybe we can see some of this whole piece also in a bunch of regions of that that talks about the formation of that coalition among some heavy weight to position candidates. how cold that play out against president of psychiatry. where to be concrete without
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did you go into bush at the demo? disorganized, the person is the, is it, they make it forward 2nd, to tween the election outright when they see them? i give it to be the cadet. but 1st of all, there's been talking to pretoria of the main office independence. i'm talking about too much info dentist and we'll quit and talk to him the but again, nothing further said his representative was in south africa or it could go to that meeting. so already that's a full back. so a country of this scenario, where am i ever attended with run alone? it's specific even more quick. it himself has pointed out to k, a d. that equation come on to walk depending on the program. if they could, we could, they can agree on a similar program. okay. which is unlikely because for you is, is looking at human rights and development and who told me is more business oriented. so we see it divide. yeah. what on the edge of the, of the credits? yes. one on, as i said before you go, i mean,
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all that we're trying to do with this talk is to find out how prepared the d. c is . uh, there's a lot of observers that i expect it to be on the ground throughout the whole electoral process. why is it so important that the electoral process goes smoothly in the d. c? it is important for the electra electra process to go with you for it as it is and security for the inside. the congo is mission east and come about also the neighbors. remember that the many, many monroe, during many, she is fighting, did i say we think there's no democracy or the process has always been rig, but if it worked on some what through we can say assemblies of peace and maybe development. remember that's 2 sides of companies, leave below the poverty line or survive or list on it the same. it may put it that way. and what the whole world wants to see is it piece for the i see so that it can improve or the programs that they have in place to improve the livelihoods of the
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people or that we've seen that's it's that can be, has done pretty well in free education for which i've never been the case and also attend to health care for my that's but there's a lot that has to be done and it's going to be guaranteed. if there's a peaceful election ended, they received an alternative for the global but also for the region. and perhaps it could take a break. and to also we're wanting to have functions like the input to city which has wrecked so much of it on the chromebook and as the sub groups, ed isaac gabby, do you have use in house experts? many thanks for your time. thank you for having me. now i business next precedence is calling for national unity just have walk. i was the glad that went out there. ronald full by the narrow west of margins. the election commission said 7 to 8 year old walk. i took 15.64 percent of the vote, only 20000 votes ahead of his rival incumbents, george square,
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outgoing precedents can see that defeats last friday and move that one him praise bowl promotes and the non violence transition. any regional mot by cruise from all of this that's bringing the rob tell needs a pe, the library and academic activist and all that. she's kind of the assistant professor and international social and public policy at a london school of economics. hello rob. to welcome to the program. now georgie, i came in with a lot of goodwill. it was almost like a fairy tale situation. so what went wrong with his presidency? where do i begin? i think you're absolutely right about the goodwill. there were so many young people across the country who voted in droves and turn out was astronomical. i mean, so much so that it broke records in terms of libraries, postwar, competitive elections. what went wrong? i would say we had just surrounded himself with the wrong people. he privileged
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loyalty over competence and is interesting because one of the 1st things that i did when he was a non you read it in january 2018 was i listed a series of different things that i thought he should focus on. and one of those things was surround yourself with people who have the intellectual capacity to deliver in terms of development, but also the integrity and what we had did not neither of those. he surrounded himself with people who were loyal, is not necessarily technocrats, not necessarily people who have the capacity to deliver any sort of development dividends in the country. and he surrounded himself with a lot of, i'm sick offense who were corrupt to the core. so you'll probably know from a lot of report, todd internationally, that 3 of his inner circle folks were invited and listed on a number of corruption scandal, reports by the us government. so those people i was expecting, and a lot of people who voted for,
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we're expecting in terms of that integrity in that capacity and intelligence just it failed i. that's the 1st thing. i mean, if, even if you don't have the capacity to run a country, which i don't think that we a had been, you surround yourself with people who can and you just take the credit for what they do. we have failed on those fronts. but fortunately, okay, strong words that from you is up to say judge, where is 10. yeah. as precedent ruined his legacy as a national hero, there are still probably 49 percent of the population, at least the electorate. the um, the people who are registered to vote who believe that george we should have been given a 2nd mandate. and given how close the election results were between him and president elect, former vice president, joseph white guy. the fact of the matter is the country is still very much divided and if those 49 percent of people had their way, george, we would have been re elected. so i think it's too premature to say that these
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elections, or his abysmal track record in the presidency, has painted his image as a national ad icon. i think in many respects the fact that he conceded defeat so quickly and so gracefully, has actually ingratiated him into the, the perspectives of a lot of people, both internationally as well as domestically. you'll see that a lot of people are praising him for conceding defeat because it could have gone the other way. he could have resisted, he could have decided to stay in power when so many of our other leaders, a process of region have done so is legitimately. but he stepped away and i think his speech, his concession speech is probably one of the most powerful speeches he's given in his 6 year 10 years president. so right, i think in many respects you can think of him as bowing out gracefully as an emblematic of him being a national icon. still in the eyes of a lot of people across the country. although his presidency was a bit more disastrous for the country, i want to make that clear. i feel like you really made it very clear,
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quite strongly. but your thoughts on that a bit earlier liberia has a history of civil was mainly caused by the fight for political power. and as you just said, that the judge, you are gracefully bowing out after losing the presidency. what that's the selection say about the states of democracy in the country? i would say i, i'd like to clarify something you said earlier. i don't think the civil war, the arm conflict and don't call it a civil war because it had international kind of ramifications. the arm conflict in the library between 19892003. the vast majority of scholars will argue that that armed conflict was about any quality social inequality, socio economic, any qualities in the country. not necessarily about the fight for political power, that may have been the face of it. but the effect of the matter is, library isn't a grossly unequal country and it's still grossly an equal 20 years later. in terms of democratic consolidation, i would say this is the 4th post 4 elections and elections in the past 1516 years
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have been incredibly competitive. and i've said this a number of times, but it's even more competitive and countries and the so called global north. so you have 78 percent the settings, 78 percent of the electorate actually going out to vote that rivals a lot of the elections in the so called global north in the u. k. where i reside that number is it's as mushrooms. so in terms of the democratic consolidation, you see the sort of steady stream of elections being competitive and, and the electorate really taking a stance and saying, you know what, we are electing our duty bears. and if they don't deliver public goods, we're going to ensure that they're not re elected. and you've seen that time and comp time again from 2005 until 2023, where a number of legislative tours both in the senate as well as the house of representatives, had lost their re election bids because they just simply have not delivered. and now you see this pulling all the way up to the presidency. so i think light beer
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and people are demonstrating 2 big international community to the region that they are democratic consolidators. and this will be an upward trend in terms of the democratic consolidation of the country going forward. right. that's the whole point of democrats. you can you do a good, you stay, you do that. you go, well, let's wrap it up with it's based on what we know from president elects, just have walk guys, time in government. does he have the track record to deliver what library needs? i think joseph white guy has been a silent study kind of governance grew in many respects. right. so he, he ruled as a vice president under the shadow of elin johnson's their lease, and many people sort of reviewed him in 2017 when he said that as vice president, for 12 years he was a parked race car. so he actually wasn't able to exhibit his agency and his authority in a way that was very meaningful for development. so i think there's a lot of expectation that we will see him come out of that part, race card,
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kind of a demeanor and reading govern. but then govern with a coalition of people who do have the capacity. do have the intelligence, do have the integrity to serve the public good. so there's a lot of goodwill in the same way that there was a lot of goodwill for george we in 2017. there's a lot of goodwill for joseph white. i in 2023. and i think, given the fact that he is, again, the sort of steady hand of experience, i think he does have the, the way it would fall in the power to govern liberia out of the abyss that it's been in the past 6 years. in terms of what is urgent for him to do, what would be some of his main task as incoming presidents, as a new president, the number one to audit the george we administration. and he's already said that he will do that category the there's been just massive levels of fast, massive levels of corruption taking place. and a lot of that,
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those moneys are those funds need to be reconstituted to things like agricultural food security, ensuring that people are employed, the basic social services such as education and health rhodes rhodes infrastructure is absolutely key in terms of the economy. so i think number one, auditing the former government, and then number 2, i would say food security because library has a serious problem with its balance of payment, right? imports are incredibly high. exports are quite low and if light beer can be a fluid secure nation, then a lot of those funds that will be used for importing food we could use for all the other development priorities. right. rockdale need a pay the library or in a comic activist on ortho. thank you very much for your insights. thank you for having me. come rooms, ministry of the environment. estimates that 12000000 hectares of land has been
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degraded in the country. what used to be forest has now become doesn't this a climate change plays a role? although human actions, like the indiscriminate cats and down of trees play an even bigger role. the problem is even more serious in the northern region. about social, where a group of refugees has taken on the mission of reversing the bands of the does it did of use. blaze. a young reports from the village of some a these is the fall, not we don't have come rude. thousands of hacked us or what do you used to before is, has not become these that it's probably down to climate change. but human activity is driving the problem. the pulls that he has, which many local people to cut down trees, i seldom aspire would across the region. the small route side sports where people
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so would the unlimited size if the gym and the reason why i cut down trees now though, is because i can sell the wood and the dell and with that and that did not make some money. although you know the booklet, but i have 7 children. what the window quite another you more. whenever i sell the wood as you, when though i can make some money to buy food or both of them automate, why not you? and then, you know, we can get by it so that it would have been pretty, but it wasn't, as i'm again, was the couple the quest for new farm land has also watson the problem. this field is among the most popular in the country. agriculture remains, it means source of livelihood for people here. hundreds of trees, a clear to me, we, for new farms. there is a lot of fucked up to the problem. this is the area. what 10 years ago the government decided to create a refuge account for those lean developments and noble re nigeria. they also cut
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down trees to sell automobiles shelves, us. but now these roof with these want to be part of the solution to reclaim the land from the days that you would funded initiative. i, they, me now what will come is working with 90 and refer g 's to plant trees in degree deadline. a layout to hook into the account into into 14 is one of them. she gets around to, to yours and want us motivation for how work. just on behalf of the salary. i'm very proud in because it needs to be enjoyed that she's going to do come to appreciate us about this work. if you was, we appreciate this work because today's no easy, easy you, you, you will see with your eyes, anywhere you go, you will see the plant. what did that do going to, you know, plant right now we are going to know to planted because you know, the point that says the project started in 2017 i bought have a meet on trees,
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have been planted some areas that were previous be effected by the certification i slowly turned back to forrest. this is good news for the region where the dues at advice is a by 12 percent each year on the project, success has led to be an expanded on i've gotten more as a month. we've also experimented with this project with host communities where there is a demand from schools at the height of the dry season. this project can be replicated to plant trees in schools, villages, and in certain community infrastructures. this has really helped to also ease tensions between refugees and post communities. so i'll put the money back on the hook on this one key talisha to projects progress. even us trees applied to people in the region. continue to cut down all this and is all clear what will happen when you install sponsor into projects. the latter is determined to keep planting trees
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. she has been encouraging all the features of the company to do the same. how about you to refugees? i walked into cheap lodge and project tv. we have seen that we are continue, we shall not stop because we know the important so, but i know we all continue. you go slower. the next ne c a by degrees of good you to see everything. have change even if you miss like in lie or 2. so really preparing the nosey for next run of tree planting. there are currently 7000 cheese waiting to the plot. this latter believes this to a lot more to do. but the apply to one tree time, a toby simpletons to protect the only planet we've got. that's it for now. full of all stories go to d, w dot com slash advert capital visit us on social media to you next time. bye for now,
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