in 60 minutes on d, w, we are all set and we're watching closely. we all seem to bring use a story behind the news. we're rolling about unbiased information. all 3 months. done the best as the, the news africa coming up on the program, measuring the strength of democracy in countries with a recent history of conflicts, positive action campaigning kicks off in the democratic republic of congo. we find out how, for as part of the country as well as crucial exercise, especially the face of ongoing violence by hoops the meanwhile, the liberia presidents, georgia out, is shown the red card for poor performance. a secret pass through, handled by the comforts of the scene to the veterans politicians. we discussed

where this means the country and climate change on human actions tend the forest into a desert, but not a group of refugees and cumberland island admission to be vast of damage and make the area green. once again, the i eddie mike are junior and you are welcome to the program. but let's go. campaigns are on the way and the democratic republic of congo had of december as general elections. of this time, more than 20 candidates of buying for the top job. the country had its fast piece full translational pie in 2019, when the car ins, precedents for this to security to power. now he's asking votes us to trust him to lead for i'm not about to him, but critics say he's failed to the live out and promises to end conflict corruption

and economic inequality. dibiase is the largest country in sub saharan africa. it says board is with 9 neighbors and it's key to regional stability that has globally significant and natural resources such as cobalt copa on diamonds. despite this many companies, people are shuts out of the country's mineral wealth. the world bank says the d l. c is one of the 5 forest nations in the world. conflict on the instability of plate is d l c for decades. and there are concerns that the electoral process once be as free and fair as it should be. see, it's a performance is a rare in contrast is came on 2nd neighborhood. this one isn't just providing entertainment information about the upcoming election and why it's important to vote. yeah,

it is. and that's in our community. there are a lot of visitors, people that are many young mothers who haven't had the chance to go to school. and that's why we have a problem with information and communication. you relax electricity and it's hard for us to fund it, the newest and most to have an idea of what is going on in the world, the z z y. you won't be back to me. so, oh, we need, we are afraid that that will be fraught. it was or i should let us vote for a citizen who has the problems of the population in mind. not, not as it will, but not the want of truth. and selections that are really transparent the spot life in contrast to is tough away from the city center for infrastructure and makes everything complicated and

gotten violence is on the rise. president felix tissue. katie wearing white is running for re election. he won the 2018 election that was marked by violence and upset of say, that was massive fraud. even so it was considered con, goes 1st democratic translation of power to should katie is promising his supporters investment in education and jobs and to stop the war. and the east he's leading in the polls, but some say he's taken advantage of his position. a local. uh sim only can know the um, the packages of hanging up pictures of the present in some public buildings or installing banners before the official started the campaign period to go. i think to get that this shouldn't be praised as an advantage to the sort violations of the

law. so that should be denounced as they bring the political game out of balance. and is it even this policy? the opposition is divided. mountains by eulu was the strongest change in the last election. businessman moyes the could to be as popular in the mining region of concerned while he was once the governor and 10 is more quickly adult to a nobel peace. slowly it made international headlines when he declared his candidacy, human rights activist gross didn't maqueta says he had hoped that the civic space would open up under to she. katy. but he said that the current situation is mixed up. i know. yeah. but could you describe the n a o c, lynn to hear about lots of cases of hate speech and intolerance by the supporters

of certain political parties to get a method to be sure good was obvious to the idea on the the presidential candidates. so travel to certain provinces, but people's, their stone set them equal a d, a u d there, ma'am. uh, let me do it. i get that. and then where attempt is to prevent that from holding me to is it don't that the, remember the lives on patient that didn't let me think in the back up the theater performers compared voting to account the lease tradition by village communities decide together you get the privilege to play the drum, hoping the audience will take the chance to have the se, in who gets a set to beat to the whole country. joining me now is my colleague and deed of using the house expert isaac gabby, who's been closely following events in the d l. so you hello, isaac, welcome to the program. so that seems to be concerned. the upcoming elections wants

to be free and fair. why is that as well, thank you for having me to begin with is the 1st time that this concerns i've been sad we had dismissed tuition 5 years ago that was in 2018 and is still the same story. but maybe perhaps of that same up to us, but i mean the number of, of reasons, the 1st of all, uh, one of the it'd be candidates much and finally, therefore my eggs and my be executive has already pointed out that the incumbent president is felix, that could be stuffed the editor commission we've, he's learned, it's also judges of the supreme court. we have people close to him, so we're ready to just pull towards in what could be a type of war in case they are concerned about their to go to t or the transparency of these elections. and again, we have some of this tuition where the electrical mission seems not to be with the,

you know, improvements of the country to deliver 14 by 2. remember for the, for meet an image before it does out of the 100000000 population of the i see. yeah, that's another factor. again, as usual, 5 does, a good was the same, the same problem, similar to groups of risk of sense that but some of the country could be this in front chased. i'm talking about a bunch of eastern combo, which was also the same story. a 5 guys, a goal, and we had a section of communities would be disenfranchised whether deliberately or not it's another story, but again, yeah, definitely. the science that goes on is that it might not be free and fair and it's up in the establishment of the governments in contrast to ensure that at least candidates a free to campaign. and they're free to cut out like vision. and maybe we can see some of this whole piece also in the budget regions that talks about the formation of l cool. lation among some heavy weights or position candidates. how cool that play out against president of psychiatry where to be

completed without did you go into bush at the demo? disorganized, the person is the, is it, they make it forward 2nd to, to with the election outright with a supervisor to be declared. but 1st of all, there's been talking to pretoria of the main office independence. i'm talking about too much and for you to dentist move quickly and talk to me. but again, nothing further said he is the representatives in south africa or it could go to that meeting. so already that's a full back. so a country of this scenario, where am i ever attended with run alone? it's specific even more quick. it himself has pointed out to candy that equation come on to walk depending on the program if the kind where they can agree on a similar program. okay, which is unlikely because for you is, is looking at human rights and development and who toby is more business oriented, so we see it divide. yeah. what on the edge of the of the candidates. yes. quick

one on is isaac. before you go, i mean all that we're trying to do with this talk is to find out how prepared the d . c is a, there's a lot of observers that i expect it to be on the ground throughout the whole electoral process. why is it so important that the electoral process goes smoothly in the d. c? it is important for the initial editor process to go with you for visitors and security for the inside the come go. this mission eastern come, but also the neighbors. remember that the many, many monroe doing militias fighting, did i see was think there's no democracy or the electoral process has always been rig, but if it worked on some what we can assembly. so based on maybe development, remember that's 2 sides of companies leave below the poverty line or survive or list on it don't. if i may put it that way and what the whole world wants to see, is it piece for the rest of it so that it can improve or the programs that they have in place to improve the labor fluids of the people or that we've seen. that's,

it's a can be, has done pretty well in free education for which has never been the case and also attend to his gift for my that's but there's a lot that has to be done and it can only be guaranteed if there's a peaceful election in today received an alternative for the global but also for the region. and perhaps it could take a break and to also what in fact functions like the impact, the city which has wrecked so much of in just on a chromebook and as a base of groups, eddie isaac gabby, do you have use in house experts? many thanks for your time. thank you for having me. now my various next precedence is calling for national unity. just have walk. i was the clad that went out there, run a full by the narrow west of margins. the election commission said 7 to 8 year old . why kind of took 15.64 percent of the vote? only 20000 votes ahead of his rival incumbents, george square,

outgoing precedents can see that defeats last friday and move that one him praise bowl promotes and the non violence transition. any regional mot by cruise. from all of this, that's bringing the rob tell needs a painting and i buried an academic activist on alta. she's kind of the system professor, an international social and public policy at a london school of economics. hello rob, to welcome to the program. now, georgie, i came in with a lot of goodwill. it was almost like a fairy tale situation. so what went wrong with his presidency? where do i begin? i think you're absolutely right about the goodwill. there were so many young people across the country who voted in droves and turn out was astronaut michel. i mean so much so that it broke records in terms of libraries, postwar, competitive elections. what went wrong? i would say we had just surrounded himself with the wrong people. he privileged

loyalty over competence and is interesting because one of the 1st things that i did when he was a non rated in january 2018 was i listed a series of different things that i thought he should focus on. and one of those things was surround yourself with people who have the intellectual capacity to deliver in terms of development, but also the integrity and what we had did not neither of those. he surrounded himself with people who were loyal, is not necessarily technocrats, not necessarily people who have the capacity to deliver any sort of development dividends in the country. and he surrounded himself with a lot of, i'm sick offense who were corrupt to the core. so you'll probably know from a lot of report, todd internationally, that 3 of his inner circle folks were invited and listed on a number of corruption scandal, reports by the us government. so those people i was expecting, and a lot of people who voted for, we're expecting in terms of that integrity in that capacity and intelligence just

it failed i. that's the 1st thing. i mean, if, even if you don't have the capacity to run a country, which i don't think that we had, then you surround yourself with people who can and you just take the credit for what they do. we have failed on those fronts, but fortunately, okay, strong words that from you is up to say, judge wears 10. yeah. ask precedent. ruined his legacy. as a national hero, there are still probably 49 percent of the population, at least the electorate. the um, the people who are registered to vote who believe that george we should have been given a 2nd mandate. and given how close the election results were between him and president elect, former vice president, joseph white guy. the fact of the matter is the country is still very much divided and if those 49 percent of people had their way, george, we would have been re elected. so i think it's too premature to say that these

elections, or his abysmal track record and the presidency has painted his image as a national ad icon. i think in many respects the fact that he can see that the feed so quickly and so gracefully, has actually ingratiated him into the perspectives of a lot of people internationally as well as domestically. you'll see that a lot of people are praising him for conceding defeat because it could have gone the other way. he could have resisted, he could have decided to stay in power when so many of our other leaders in the process of region have done so a legitimately. but he stepped away and i think his speech, his concession speech is probably one of the most a powerful speeches he's given in his 6 year tenure as president. so right, i think in many respects you can think of him as bowing out gracefully as an emblematic of him being a national icon. still in the eyes of a lot of people across the country. although his presidency was a bit more disastrous for the country, i want to make that clear. i feel like 20 years later,

in terms of democratic consolidation, i would say this is the 4th post for elections and elections in the past. 1516 years have been incredibly competitive and i've said this a number of times, but it's even more competitive and countries and the so called global north. so you have 78 percent be upset, 878 percent of the electorate actually going out to vote. that rivals a lot of the elections in the so called global north in the u. k. where i reside that numbers. it's as mushrooms. so in terms of the democratic consolidation, you see the sort of steady stream of elections being competitive and, and the electorate really taking a stance and saying, you know what, we are electing our duty bears. and if they don't deliver public goods, we're going to ensure that they're not re elected. and you've seen that time and comp time again from 2005 until 2023, where a number of legislative tours both in the senate as well as the house of representatives, had lost their re election bids because they just simply have not delivered. and

now you see this pulling all the way up to the presidency. so i think light beer and people are demonstrating to the international community to the region that they are democratic consolidators. and this will be an upward trend in terms of the democratic consolidation of the country going forward. right. that's the whole point of democrats. you can you do a good, you stay, you do that. you go, well, let's wrap it up with it's based on what we know from president elects, just have walk guys, time in government. does he have the track record to deliver what library needs? i think joseph white guy has been a silent study kind of governance grew in many respects. right. so he, he ruled as a vice president under the shadow of elin johnson's their lease, and many people sort of reviewed him in 2017 when he said that as vice president, for 12 years he was a part race car. so he actually wasn't able to exhibit his agency and his authority in a way that was very meaningful for development. so i think there's

a lot of expectation that we will see him come out of that part, race card, kind of a demeanor and reading govern. but then govern with a coalition of people who do have the capacity. do have the intelligence, do have the integrity to serve the public good. so there's a lot of goodwill in the same way that there was a lot of goodwill for george we in 2017. there's a lot of good will for joseph white guy in 2023. and i think, given the fact that he is, again, the sort of steady hand of experience, i think he does have the, the way it would follow the power to govern liberia out of the base that it's been in, in the past 6 years. in terms of what is urgent for him to do, what would be some of his main task as incoming presidents, as a new president? number one. so audit the george we administration and he's already said that he will do that category the there's been just massive levels of fast,

massive levels of corruption taking place. and a lot of that, those moneys are those funds need to be reconstituted to things like agricultural food security, ensuring that people are employed, the basic social services such as education and health rhodes rhodes infrastructure is absolutely key in terms of the economy. so i think number one, auditing the former government, and then number 2, i would say food security because library has a serious problem with its balance of payment, right? imports are incredibly high. exports are quite low and if light beer can be a fluid secure nation, then a lot of those funds that we'd be used for importing food, we could use for all the other development priorities. right. rockdale needs a pay the library and a comic activist on alta. thank you very much for your insights. thank you for having me. come rooms,

ministry of the environment. estimates that 12000000 hectares of land has been degraded in the country. what used to be forest has now become doesn't this a climate change plays a role? although human actions, like the indiscriminate cuts and down of trees play an even bigger role, the problem is even more serious in the northern region. but that's also where a group of refugees has taken on the mission of reversing the advance of the does. it did of use. blaze. a young reports from the village of some a these is the fall, not we don't have come rude. thousands of hacked us of what you used to before is, has not become these that it's probably down to climate change. but human activity is drive into a problem to pull that to his wish many local people to cut down trees. i seldom s

y a would across the region, the small route side sports where people so would be and then the king size a batch. and then the reason why i cut down trees now though, is because i can sell the wood and the go on with that and edge and make some money . although, you know they out on with the booklet. but i have 7 children. what that i'm window quite another you more. whenever i sell the wood as you window, i can make some money to buy food or both of them automate, why not be and then you know, we can get by it so that would help them for you. but it wasn't, as i'm with them, was the couple the quest for new farm land has also watson the problem. this field is among the most popular in the country. agriculture remains the main source of livelihood for people here. hundreds of trees, a clear to me, we for new farms. there is a lot of fucked up to the problem. this is the area. what,

10 years ago the government decided to create a refrigerate come for those leading developments and they've already nigeria. they also cut down trees to sell all to abuse shelves us but now these were for these want to be part of the solution to reclaim the land. from the days that you would funded initiative, i didn't even know what will come is working with 90 and refer g 's to plant trees in degree deadline. lack to hook into the account. in 2014 is one of them. she gets around to, to yours and want as motivation for how walk just on the has a be salary. i'm very proud because it needs to be enjoyed that you're going to do come to appreciate us about this work. if you was, we appreciated this work because today it's no easy, easy, and you, you, you will see your eyes anywhere you go, you will see the plant. what did that do? go here. your plant right now we are going to know to plant it because you know,

the point that says the project started in 2017 i bought have a meet on trees, had been planted. some areas that we previous be affected by the certification. i slowly turning back to forrest, this is good news for the region where they do that as long as used by 12 percent each year. and the project success has led to expand it on the government as 3 months. we've also experimented with this project with host communities where there is a demand from schools at the height of the dry season. this project can be replicated to plant trees in schools, villages, and in certain community infrastructures. this has really helped to also ease tensions between refugees and host communities. so i'll put up their money back on the hook on this one key challenge should the projects progress even us trees apply that people in the region continue to cut down all this and is on clear what will

happen when you install support starting the projects law you have to use the to, i mean, to keep planting trees. she has been encouraging all the features of the company to do the same. about e to refuse, i walked into cheap lodge and project tv. we had seen that we are continue. we still not still because you know, the import them so, but i know we all continue. you go slow and the next. the next. see it by degrees of good you to see if we do have change, even if you miss like in a lie or 2. so radius prepared the nosey for the next run of to blanche. there are currently 7 times of cheese, waiting to be planted. lat believes there's still a lot more to do. but the apply to 13 at a time. a t o as in, paul tends to protect the only plan that we've got. that's it for now. for bastardi school, it's a d, w dot com slash after capital visit us on social media. see you next time,

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