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this is the story of the international scans. the whole thing was so good from the beginning with the crime. so when they signed up to the end, everything was perfect. the beginning i was scammed just so the money never went to the account. it was gone right away. i made a mistake just kind of tied up by steps you bills up to the point where people are ready to go live even handled with aaron to tell you a capital time could be turned off around 800000000 in damages nationwide up. so that's the number of unreported cases you come close to a 1000000000 damages, the
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an ordinary call centers. try command central for $1000000000.00 scam. this original footage shown here for the 1st time to fix the scene of a crime and its perpetrators. young people who wanted more, these are the pictures they took in an exclusive interview. we spoke with one of them. we also tracked down the man who allegedly led to criminal gang that ripped of thousands of germans. he lived a jet set life while others paid the tap. the kosovo is a poor country. the average income is $4000.00 bureaus per year. we are here to search for clears and to meet one of the scammers. he explains how he and his fellow cost center employees, stone millions from unsuspecting investors and why he has no qualms about it
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looks different, giving cost of a father's support, their families. but at a certain age, you have to go out and work and bring money home. how you do it is up to you. the aren't many options with their work as a way to scanning 300 curos. or you work at a call center and earn a couple of 1000. what would you do to adrian, not his real name is in his late twenty's. we meet him in a secret location in cost of all he's wanted by german authorities, but here he's 6 converge. anyone who sees that kind of money would be curious so, so those knowing you can and the photos of the perpetrators need available exclusively to us. they paint a vivid picture. one thing, these young people seem to have shared desire for luxury
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in a far cry from everyday life in cost at all. does this look systems you shouldn't have that luxury at home after the war? everyone's struggle to put them to everyone did anything they could for their family? no matter what that was. that's what i did to the soldiers on. adrian got a job in the capital priest and he worked here in this building for several years now. vacant, used to house the call center. it was the hub of a huge scam. adrian speaks good german. that was his ticket in virtual reform. tom scramble to solution took room in austin and then determined by watching cartoons as a kid after the war. there wasn't much on tv, but if we got to german channels like pro $714.00 go to a super audio termed on ones or symbols. yeah. i watched cartoon series for kids in german who's always the started school here. call center agents pretended to be
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financial experts and promised german speaking investors big returns on the stock market. back in germany, we meet with one of the scams, victims we've been in contact with a rica schneider, not her real name. for several years. she felt for the call center scan back then schneider wanted to invest her savings. instead, she lost exactly 10250 years. she since gotten back on her feet, but it's still stings. my goal is to, i'm spot migrated. beer was always that i would suffer from poverty and old age, that's i was self employed for 20 years of them and didn't pay into the german pension scheme. i was always thinking how can i increase my financial buffer to provide for my old a just on little check. let's go back
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a few years. in 2018 or rica, schneider came across an online advertisement for a financial platform called trade and invest 90. the hook, by betting online on whether stock market prices would rise or fall or practice known as cyber training. private investors could, when big, i just would have done much. but the ad showed an example. if you invested 250 euro as me to you could earn almost 10000 bureaus within 4 weeks ago. with the help of an algorithm of adjusting con um retail. schneider took the bait. it never occurred to her that the advertisement might be a trap. one that had been designed to her internet users like herself and thousands of others from all over germany. the state office of criminal investigations are launch can prove it. this is their command central. from here, the authorities reconstructed the workings and structures of the criminal call centers. they dug through mountains of files, identified the perpetrators and documented the victim states. we spoke to one of
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the investigators as conspire for the demo. i should know. there were 2 cases i would never forget. the 1st one is the highest single last enough for me to figure out when the man, the owner of a medium sized company actually lost 5500000. your understanding from the money was meant to be put back into the company. so it was a good case of past time, a spare time, you don't inflation side and you for mine. so putting slide us on. the 2nd of, and this is an appalling cases, this uh, amount initially puts in a 160000 euros next, when not when say defend the perpetrators convinced them to give them another 170000. having done nothing, my thoughts were baked. um, so i quit quinn last night. i'm not, i'm not successful in the oil. he couldn't cope with the loss psychologically. how does he took his own life at this nonsense? the on the part the investigators were sure of one thing. what they were dealing
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with here was organized crime. fighting back was a dangerous job. we weren't allowed to film the investigation team. so we staged a re enactment at their work. instead, the investigators were tracking down the call centers in kosovo as well as in the czech republic, and the man suspected of running the whole operation. but while they were investigating the fraud machine kept turning let's go back to 2018 rico schneider signed up with the trade invest 90. she deposited 250 or was a big mistake. but an understandable one says criminal psychologist hel game. she's an expert in the dynamics between scammers and their victims, as she's an experienced witness in the court for the place where perpetrators and victims often meet for the 1st time uses. it deals with fun men. people feel the need to do something with the money to try to increase it, perhaps to invest the well. there's nothing bad about that. it's something we all
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think about. so how can i make it as low as my modest existence understood, ma'am? but this impulse can lead people down a dangerous path. it's the same desire for more. that also drives perpetrators to making the comment. i needed a car better close and so long as your point of a teenager, it's only you think about it, shut the door. i also had a new girlfriend at the time. i got involved because i wanted a better life lead month, which i understand. that was the moment when adrian says he might be team t. now 34 and awesome. s 30. according to investigators, they were working as a managers at the call center. one of them has since been punished back to rica schneider. in the beginning she says she made small profits. when
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things suddenly stopped going well. she got a telephone call from a broker assigned to her by trade invest 90 a mind to. yeah, it says quote them, one of my, you said this is a good time to invest more because then you improve your chances of getting your money back into them. cool them definitely the scares me to fix that. that's what i did to. so based on altima, schneider invested 10000 to europe. within a few days, she saw her balance rise to $18000.00 bureaus, sought to support the swift at the whole way. i thought great, totally. this was going quite well mister and then it really went off. margaret of course i was really happy so, so then i tried to withdraw some money. at 1st the withdrawal was canceled it and they claimed that i had canceled it, which i had, and then my account balance went down. radically condos done. but just as quickly as it had gone up. so it's saying here for him at home thinking, i'll wait on the one. she started to research the company and soon found others with similar experiences. she realized it was all the fraud,
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a cleverly constructed lie. it helped me not to these questions. i felt ashamed, of course, because i felt for scammers, it's something you don't make a big fuss about this. if you've lost money. but on top of that, you've been cheated. adrian and his colleagues for on the other end of the telephone line, talking to a rica, schneider, and other victims working for the silk line group. they pretended to be financial visits, their goal to get customers to invest through trade, invest 90 and other platforms, including option 888, zoom, trader, trade invest index markets. the task old of mind, i would briefly explain the platform. this is where you can make the deposit. this is where you see your shares and so on. and just to get started, they needed the minimum amount of stuff which was $250.00 arrows. each agent had their own approach. but if you deposit more, you will get an additional bonus from 0. her name is adrian wasn't or rica,
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schneider's broker, but what she heard was similar. a hotmail, sir. he tells me the trade invest 90 investments in different funds. so when one is doing so well, the money gets shifted to $1.00 that's performing better, lived 0 months of savings. that is really say anything to convince the client to make that investment would change or stories, government funding. i say i worked in the stock market, i'd worked in england or something else and everything we said was made out to them because our car and 90 percent of the time it weren't full, full retail. schneider's broker also managed to persuade her with his stories. that's come on, we sat down to this, we actually came across is very credible. she was very relaxed and very confident old and full. our conversations were often quite informal. i can reach the on the informal chit chat where every word is dishonest. that's on stock market prices funds being shifted all of it and completely made up the online platforms were
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wrecked. profit's a joke, the only people making money for the scammers. i didn't know that. how could me wanting to withdraw my money cause a problem to the victims, money fluid, straight to the criminal machine. meanwhile, the call center agents kept manipulating their marks fish. first, i wanted to understand the customers profile. how much did they own this company? what could i use to get them to invest? what did you say to them being delta dental single. made it sound as good as i could from this doctor's yes sir. if you're going to make a lot of money. what, what do you do? it systems what car, when you buy, since you have a simple psychological trick, says the expert to do that. yeah. sog attendance. does he pass what's going on? so you must have a student all you have to encourage the target person to stop saying yes. yeah,
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i can do you want to earn a house one day? now nicole, do you want to do good been and especially top using are you looking for an advisor? yeah. the on subsidies. questions for yes. you, well, i have a chance of a lifetime business deal for you right here today until 12 o'clock. i'm giving you a shot at making your dreams come true. that's how i get the yes i'm looking for this much and this compliant, this willingness means then now ready to manufacture height. and yet invest to you . it's just as you, the whole thing was so good times to keep it from the beginning. what the client saw when they signed up to the end. everything was perfect. perfect. perfect for the scammers, the call center agents cheating, unsuspecting investors out of a lot of money. adrian for one had no compunctions. even so totally normal just like i was working as a way sir, didn't worry about the clients and the most to start with them to do this in the mood among your colleagues in calling for. i was always great.
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the the the, the 1300 kilometers away is our blues. can hear the criminal authorities want it to stop the perpetrators and bring the scam to liked the how to apply this function. we have a large number of engine policies that you have on those many victims of last every time and funding so far it against life insurance policies and the all they have to take out loans will take side jobs and then shortly before retirement. a station not quite for the vendor by the controls and name,
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the offices of this orlando state office of criminal investigation. here investigators hunted down cyber trading scammers, assisted by colleagues from austria and elsewhere in europe, from kosovo to bulgaria, and the czech republic. some 35 rates were carried out in 5 countries against this one gang. and i'm dr. inside or so. this is way based on figures from the last 2 years. and we estimate losses of around $10000000.00 euros across the design and region due to the phenomenon of cyber trading fraud. if you look at the big picture, that's around 800000000 euros and damages nationwide chart and bring this up so that the number of under reported cases for you come close to a 1000000000 in damages and i number the other shot. and the scam is still running on countless platforms, where victims continue to lose their money. stuff on funds. and his team began working on this case in 2017 with a handful of victims and 3000 bureaus in total losses. but it soon became clear
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that millions were at stake, and a nationwide investigation began. piece by piece, the investigators were able to reconstruct the scan. they discovered a complex structure non unlike a large corporations behind the scan. it worked like this. first, victims were drawn in using manipulative advertising on the internet. for example, an article about a reality business show that's been altered to praise the cyber trading platform. it looks real, but it's not similar, fake advertising is still online today. the as investigator stuff on trans notes, once blurred onto a platform, many sign up and soon receive a call from one of the fake brokers to this one, to the, for the one that was fun for the solution and asked me to use the phone numbers from frankfurt communications, germany's financial sense is work, but in fact,
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they were quoting from cost of old, the check a public place to invest in 1st conversation to the call center agent. so if the person they will call they need to do to the injured party. yeah. was sold for done instead of shake them and if they were willing to investigate on fiscal slice, delta transaction to provide some tameka to in this tier hop on within. i knew the plate stores could fit with the 1st transaction, the trump has been sprung. the after scripts for mine to just actually the target person who takes the 1st step because they go on the internet and then see on the zoom tray to sounds good. high profit, i know that appeals to me, i'm interested to talk some kind of an advantage for the public traces have because they don't have to convince people past nicholas. hey, it's quite good to look at what you do with your money in this day and age. i already come with that decision, so, and tried landing on the website by itself. the site is already the results of the manipulation test, but of course the target person come see, that's one of the investigators pretends to be an investor.
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now the positive, the $250.00 euros. what's the next step? the fake broker wants him to make more deposits, so they step up their game. the investigator has hurt enough for now. she gets out . but for many, this is just the beginning. indeed, shaking and so lovely mazda 2, it's been like this. investments were made and the agents that the victims, mike profit sharing events of course, appealed to them because they sold the value of that portfolios rise included, that strikes. so they were ready to invest more money. it looks good. so it, in this team. the agents also worked to build up trust. you must understand, we made small talk. we asked, so you married, do you have children? so these are, those are just, wasn't them? we also made up a story about ourselves who shouldn't the age limit. for often cases where i helped
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elderly people set up what's up for the t v. they sent me emails. i need your help . and i responded. what can i say? they believed me 100 percent it does indeed with the legal in digital test commission, dissociated isn't contact the full day. make contact is the offenders have to think about things like that. they have to under victims trust in order to do that. they have to react to the things they all told in such a way that bill to the feeling of kindred spirit. he says, like, did so much, will these people of mentions, ties that help the one that helped with this. and that just came up on the obviously that goes beyond the scope of the fuels type of trade for business. but he did so much that he took on an emotional function for the everyday lives of these people have to model that weekly organization i left for me to come on like a logical tricks as old as the hills. but the technical slight of hand used on the
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platforms that was new year's tips on the software. so i'll try you on the phone with the software. it was built in such a way that the real stock market price is, could be fed in. but the call center stock could still decide whether the customer made a loss or not, and try it. and so the customer making a profit. so a loss on each did not depend on the actual trade. and so it's a funeral power to decide on. and she always rested with the call center, right, given the emma, the quotes and them until later this camera is made use of various tactics to keep their victims dependent. exclusively doesn't get messed to the you to basically the good often asked the customers for example, when would you like to decide for yourself is to see whether it goes up or down and let the client decide. then we'd say, see, you decided yourself and lost money. i'm just for the one. we've got too much about that so we can help you. nothing. nobody's going to give me one day and i'll research what it is about to go up or down the rest of the start to those. and then
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we came up with something say, go to gaston to go do the promise. declines. it had a 99.9 percent chance of working from home learning. i'm just going to add some of adrian also describes the pressure he was under at work and how we dealt with it. this presumed this operation does it some personally i just sat down and looked straight to us. my computer was only focused on bringing in more money. i would eat in the morning then have a shot of jigger and maybe one or 2 lines or some sort of solution. yeah, a moist until came yes. that was interesting and close on on just to keep up with the amount of work mission and the didn't does it so to ship. so what do you think that maybe that would help me perform better for the best mama home, but actually it was just to make me feel a bit better. what's it gets over the fear that i would break the client from
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breaking a client meant i failed to get them to make an investment longer still. so the drums on the use of drugs and other stimulants is not uncommon, behavior for perpetrators just a shot. i'm just trying and as it is what's out and i'm not to fix those things, you have to produce the other person that you have to be in a good mood. you have to have great conversation, you have to when the other person over praise them, listen to things that you wouldn't necessarily like to you comp in the mood for that's every day. so if you wake up in the morning and you're in a bad mood and you don't feel like it, of course that will affect the quality of you're welcome, bye, finished a move and if you're afraid of not succeeding because you're not a moral or criminal enough coke, drugs and alcohol can help you get in the mood for the interaction, the hope and, and talk to again. so the call center agents often pressure victims like over eco schneider into making more deposits on our side. oh, i once requested or withdrawal and then got a nasty message via skype. so you have,
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you put me in a difficult position. the sort of thing should not happen. you don't know. so if you request to withdraw without informing me 1st, while i'm dealing with your account, it can have disastrous consequences on it for it. and that's, let's make this agreement to transfer the 60000 euros. now let's do 60000 oil. survive to schedule uncomfortable dentist among the arrives. we meet via skype and we invest 20 percent of the capital for the longer term. so we can make up for the last the time. so you make them feel bad stuff up the pressure up, just wait them to invest more than make them to promise. the 1st question was so good idea that so it went, if a client requested a withdrawal without talking to us 1st and we would have tucked them onto, that's the kind of thing we were waiting for. because then the client would feel bad for making a mistake. for example, we'd say, because clicked on your whole credit is now blocked or frozen. so we can't use it for 2 months or a year. and so we need you to put in a lot of money and you know, does the most inclined?
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adrian says the brokers had no guilty conscience, no scruples toward their victims. quite the opposite. when a gamble, you know, there's a chance you might lose. and if you're ready to stake something, to bet them the game and you lose, i don't feel sorry for that. you told people that the 99.9 percent chance that if you do this now, you'll make a profit. so how can you know, say if you gamble, you might lose the start? the stock market goes up and down. you can never predict why on blue moon, it would believe it's 99.9 percent certain i called some bars. so people was stupid . i think so many lost. in some cases, the consequences were extreme detective chief inspector plans. remember as one man who lost over 300000 bureaus, the scene took his own life when it is, i mean, this is a side note. he listed the individual figure, this figure out a simply couldn't code for the for the perpetrators,
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it was different just to be resumed. we would celebrate when we received large sums of money. most of you have to go out and buy a nice things for your colleagues. yes. internally, because we've some drinks and cigarettes and some going through. so we got for the time being the cost center in kosovo were still up and running. but in germany, investigators were collecting evidence and preparing for the 1st 3. it's on the international game and downloads type large and few but seems a coward up symbol time use such as in 4 or 4 countries and sold. the biggest success was in book area to help us all on regarding the so excluding, di, because we managed to secure a database connected to one of these platforms. honestly, i didn't think we would be able to find the evidence like that initial. it's an issue. confident force tends to be on a slide show on the scripted thought and position, facing them on the flank bottles. the only key guys were already telling us we
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struck go because the dates place that's so much in, in the lobby bung how to enjoy the see. i get the investigators found records of the scams leave on top safety show. we will actually surprised by the records they've kept to the customers las vegas containers tom visiting quinn, and they said things like the customer, like a chinese dog and a pod sixty's twin window for planning the engine. that was that code language. the thing that a customer should lose everything right now it does take, we didn't get our list for the owns on next. the investigators set their sights on the call center in kosovo. in the meantime, headquarters have been transferred from the capital christian to to the town of fairies like 40 kilometers away. there was a reed there to for the 1st time, the investigator saw the inside of the coast of o call center. dozens of workstations spread over 2 floors. this footage of the
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raid was made available exclusively to us. we are currently slid, forced in the stuff we couldn't imagine that there would be an entire floor dedicated to these tools and the lawn. i don't, i might be cool, said was with section little perhaps something like a back room dedicated system. the interesting you thought that i was walking into a fully functioning company with 40, from 50 tasks and let people make calls to pilot in just shots efficient in and they couldn't have imagined anything like in the shared it can be awesome. the in the spring months when, unfortunately, the officers were empty when the rain took place. the scammers had been tipped off and left a message. as it was, they knew we were coming and wanted to send us a little greeting. the, the investigators were still able to secure plenty of evidence. they also searched the office of the 2 suspected cost center managers, the team,
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t and $1000.00 s. in the us. quite sometimes a manager is the call center in cost of, of, and have considerable influence of other areas such as advertising campaigns as well as the platform software manipulation. let me pronounce your own entries naturally. cost center operation, sum payment for the 1st doctor's really well. nobody was in the back loot system. you couldn't be in a bad mood, or else you wouldn't be productive, misquoted the happened, it was listed at the end of the year. we always had a party. it was some testing gifts for every staff member. money wasn't an issue in the
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the even give us cars or if we worked well, gotten a lot of money. you have to motivate your employees, or what have you. they gave you cause to reward, you performance, not on the cars. they give you whatever you want it. so if you said he'd like an apartment, then you'd get an apartment money, cars, apartments, all on top of the salary. adrian's monthly earnings says sensors to my best month. i made almost 20000 for just one, then you just forget you're doing something bad because how can i put this? when you have money, you can do a lot to have people around you. so you don't really think about whether you're causing harm to other side and as those are sort of low money and status symbols overshadowed any sense of doubt. according to the psychologist, it's not only victims were manipulated perpetrators are 2 types of tests done into power tools just below the fact that i get a super call as a reward justifies my being here. and with that,
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so i can holly that what i'm doing here is criminal. that's the point, sees it may sound the same mechanisms you use to convince the victim this. i'm a good reputable investment opportunity for you, even though it's not true. of course, the head of the game uses on the guy mine up under i'm of what we're doing here is good for us because you get a good call or you get a lot of praise, which is out. you can improve your social spaces. starts was done because of started showing up with other people's money. the call center managers lead the way as awesome as will later explained. he had to drive luxury cars to show how great his job was. bosses orders the boss was keen on status, symbols himself, luxury cars, private jet, ready to fly at any time. a body guard hoover lean huff,
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according to investigators. he was the head of this multi 1000000 fraud group. born is our launch. he 1st appeared in public as an online gambling pioneer or research shows he'd already been sentenced to 3 years in prison for fraud in 2006. back then he'd scammed almost half a 1000000 euros. small potatoes, compared to how much the bogus trading portals brought it with you know, find a whole, isn't that on the surface goof? elaina was a small business man who lift the jet set like i believe he was intelligent as well as a ser. i just wasn't and then again, enough to set some stop all bomb out and then i'll see if it was cuz that's within peo, so called his way thanks to his victims. monday should have he walks around the clock, a window, new york. i'll buy that when they have also good uncle issues in the to do was always thinking about new ways of making a lot of money quickly on these without. so they'll savell by very few companies
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are all bad and i don't feel good for the in lean house, a private jet, a good spot for reviewing documents. the cyber treating scan was perfectly suited to his talents, multi month down. see if you couldn't tell you that he was someone who run a loss of checks and even though he lives in the numbers regularly and this, the finance is what, right? pardon me. he tried to influence his business partners or accomplices, to put more money back into the system. after all, he needed large sums of money daily to finance his luxury as life i'd say. so for nonsense. according to the investigators, he put pressure on awesome s and b team t. the last few days were really cropped. complacency is the 1st step to jump last . you should let the team know that the investigators work showed layhoff to be behind the 5 raked portals he denied it, but the evidence was overwhelming. within oh fun,
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let's take us on the client. let's go all. but these are called step under hoover lane was i think, and we have proof of this, the head of the kind of conversations each. all a scholarly had influence over all areas of vision for what model. as a son named, he didn't shy away from threats of violence, like when someone missed the 100 k target that is defrauding people of 100000 bureaus. if he doesn't make the 100 k this months, he's out under friends will explain to him what she better not do. once he's fired . understood, you can tell them that. okay. a jet set, life financed by thousands of unsuspecting investors. that's this toyota leaving leap at uh he loves the luxury lifestyle and he made sure that he could phones as well. fine con, drive expensive vehicles. so i guess he didn't buy them but rent them long. tough.
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so for example, the bank legal for all right. and actually, and he had to separate ones outside spies and when he travel, though he stayed an expensive hotel, the one that clinton does like studies all i'm doing the yeah. cause we also saw that on his credit card bills and at times a $180000.00 zeros a month or charged to the very exclusive lifestyle. he made size the latest you, they're not going to take out the the dfcs. we were actually ready to arrest, overlay not swing christmas, a new. yeah. and my problem was that he was, comes from the on the move he's, he never stayed in one place for more than a few days at all. but we knew that he would definitely come to noise to get in the middle. and the general feeling fine enough, my last night shift co meshed. more precisely to this 5 star resort in australia. lane off was a regular guest here. he rented out
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a flat and also sometimes stating the resorts master suite. he enjoyed being here according to accounts, he was not allowed or charismatic person, and never sat at the bar. but when he took a liking to someone, he was generous with them. that's what led him into the investigators trap in 2019 . in the afternoon dawn miss, i'm blowing bentley actually calls him in his blue pen clicking on in front of his rented flap. we've, i want to arrest him there without resistance to show. he behaved like many faults to denying everything. at that point, he probably still assumed that his money might help him get out of the whole thing . so that was his last day of freedom that stuff on a bus white. as on this, i talked to him about some fire overland huff was jailed in austria. in september 2019. he was expedited to germany. the call center in kosovo
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continue to run for 6 months after laid off the rest. after the raid, it ceased to function. call center manager. awesome. as was arrested in 2022. he stood trial and sorry, broken. it was a ma'am. at the trial with enough files to fill 866 folders. they had to be transported to the court by truck. the evidence against us an us was overwhelming. he confessed and apologize to the victims minus officers does the investment is the boss in my opinion. there's the least he can do is apologize. it is because of the question is that, will he ever be in a position to repay the damage hesitation of what sorts of time? rico schneider's case is one of more than a 100 that were not prosecuted. still. how did she feel about the apology? so you can let us on the as for him, it was simply a stepping stone to a better economic situation. so slow to luxury,
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probably considering the standards there so i can accept it because i didn't lose such a large sum. was wonderful. but if i had lost more money, i would probably have a hard time with that. and really in august 2022 awesome s was sentenced to 12 years in prison on multiple accounts, commercial fraud committed as part of a criminal case. his partner badging t was also charged an international arrest warrant was issued according to information we have. he still lives in kosovo, but the country does not extradite its own citizens. there's currently no trial in sight for him. we were unable to make contact with him. the most of the people in this photo are probably on the investigators list to every time they travel abroad, they face arrest a manageable risk. it seems of more than $400.00 cost center employees. only one is
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currently in custody since our broken a stroll through stuttgart rico schneider has origin off the money she lost of a scamarus. she hasn't exactly found peace. her inbox is full of new scamps. there's an influence involved in moves, i believe getting these advertising e mails, although i have never had anything to do with these companies, you know, they probably still have access to the database from back then and use my information. they're telling me i can make some money back again by making new investments. he's doing this because we let them come to if it's unclear who these messages are coming from. it's also unclear how the centers have gotten their hands on over because schneider is information. and she's not the only one being targeted escape kind of also, there is no way that these knights in shining on will retrieve any money. because the goal also is just to take money from investigators or largely in the dark when
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it comes to this new set of scams. and due to the sheer volume of cases they're struggling to keep up a new fraud. that's devastating for the victims myself. under philip, i'm 50, so this is what is the fact is it is this sense of control that i have my life under control, that i can determine what happens in my life. i'm is now, it has actually been confirmed that i don't have anything under control is optimum . on the contrary, everything was taken away that i gave everything up full entirely for so we quickly entered into deep feelings of guilt and shame. neighbors here, a bounce that my family has a bounce. it maybe my wife wants to know. how could you? yes. how could i? i don't understand it myself. come from this shame and guilt can lead to severe mental disorders to home income and overly enough pictured here on the day of his arrest. he will never be tried. his story ended in jail. after a year and a half in custody lane hoss died to this prison cell inside broken of an overdose.
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on july 6th, 2020 the exact circumstances of his death remain unclear. he left no suicide note one dead, one on the run. one in custody, was it worth it? awesome. as refused our request for interview. adrian, however, has an answer. was the this, the, this, he knew that something like that could happen and was paid in proportion to that prison. to you, there are people who say secluded bizarre gladly go to jail for 10 years if i get so and so many millions were the so i wouldn't do that. but i also don't think it's that big of a deal. well, most often for some reason being the yeah, this is shonda, it's a shame, it's sad that it's still operating and people are still losing their money. and of
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course, at the end of the day, i also worry about the perpetrators, what kind of situation they're in, that they have to accept this work. adrian has no regrets about working at the call center. beaver studios, you never know what it would be like if things had been different devices, literacy, but i know i would be much worse off than i am now. but as to what do you do it again? if i were in a position where i needed to do it, i would do this. i was never forced to do anything for one year on the one thing sort of those. investigators estimate that to date, cyber fraudsters have caused billions of dollars in loss, as worldwide victims have virtually no chance of getting their money back. it disappears into criminal networks, tax havens, and fosters pockets. we cannot control the wells the way we would like to take. there is always a certain risk factor in the end. we simply have to live with risk. ok, chris, can i just rico schneider,
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