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operated as a major diplomatic achievement and this weekend. so a lot, dozens of families were re united after weeks of english guys. and it's got a break from the constant fighting. 8 was allowed to flow into the enclave. and the displaced had a chance to call me assess the damage. now, on the final day of the initial deal, the agreement has been extended by 2 days. 20 more hostages will be released in exchange for 60 posting and prisoners. the announcement follows an international course asking for the ceasefire to continue israel and says it won't be permanent. i'm nicole fairly in berlin and this is the day the i want to tell you about our beautiful companies here. and i've done a lot of our bets with us and we're very happy
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the, the joy, the house can be described. i was calling about the agreement. so between them also nice. right? because of the 2 that are these old hostings, we will not stop working through every hostages returned to their level. there will be no one left behind. none of us are free till full of them. offrey. also on the day, the break and fighting between israel and mazda as provided a welcome relief for guidance, but a question mark looms large over the long term future a plan. i'll go ahead and send a quick change to the beach to take a breather. then to change the depressing and polluted environment where in an hour, then people come to the beach to relax, to swim for the children, to have fun, take food with them. but we're sorry, depressed. we're on the beach,
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but we want to cry. feel welcome to the show. it's good to have you with us. the announcement that the pause in finding between israel and tomas has been extended for 2 additional days gives hope that more hostages may be walking free from captivity and gaza. these really government has been releasing footage of the moment hostages, who were released on sunday, read united with their families. on monday, a group of 11 hostages, left gauze of bringing to 50 the number is really school of return home. additional groups of 19 for a national health buying loss, most of them from thailand, i've also been released, believed about a $180.00 hostages, remain in captivity in the gaza strip. danielle gilbert is an assistant professor of political science at northwestern university and illinois. and she explores the causes and consequences of hostage taking down
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a welcome to the day we have seen dozens of hostages fried over the weekend and exchange for about triple the amount of palestinian prisoners was that home office goal when they abducted all those people on october 7th, that's a great question. there are several different reasons why a mosque would have taken hostages, and certainly lots of different, complicated reasons why they would have taken so many. but a prisoner exchange has likely only been part of their intention amongst has previously kidnapped his rallies and use them for prisoners swats. and you've been talking about doing so since the early days after october 7th. so this was likely always at least one intention of their hostage taking what, or we've been able to learn about how mazda is hostage taking strategy from those that have been released in the past couple of days. there's a few different things that we've learned from the hostages, who have already come out of captivity. one is that we know that it was intentional,
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it was planned, it was part of the organization for the october 7th attack. and the written documents at the as rarely, military has found in their siege of gaza that they had practiced and prepared for this. that means that they had specific combatants who were trained and prepared to take hostages. they had resources prepared to hold hostages, to feed them for weeks on end. they had medical professionals with, in their combat and core who has been providing medical attention to the hostages as well. and so a lot of those details had emerged from the hostages as they come out of captivity, telling us about what it was like to be with them on over the last 50 days. how does that compare to other militant organizations that take hostages to so one thing that is quite consistent across militant groups around the world in their kid, nothing is that hostage taking is almost never
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a crime of opportunity. it is exquisitely premeditated and planned. armed groups are quite intentional about their kidnapping, and that they focus on that role specialization. and it's someone's job to adapt the hostages in the 1st place. someone's job to guard them, watch them care for them over time, and someone else's job to negotiate for their release. so that part is quite consistent. what was different about the october 7 kidnappings and, and just one of the factors that made these kid, nothing's quite unprecedented, is the fox, they have mass, took so many loaner of all hostages. it is exceedingly rare for an armed group to kidnap children or to conduct the elderly. because if the intention is to hold hostages, to negotiate them for some sort of concession, you have to keep your hostages alive. and that's much harder to do with children
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with the elderly, like so many of their hostages, who have been sick and injured without medication since the 7th of october. so why would they have them take so many vulnerable people because they were easy to kick them out? a it's a great question and that the full understanding of their intentions remains to be seen. it's entirely possible that some of the combatants and militants from the 7th of october got carried away and grabbed hostages, that they did intend to take them the 1st place. we also know that there are hostage takers outside of the mice who kidnapped on the 7th of october and have been holding hostages since then. so that's another militant group called palestinian islamic jihad. and reporting has suggested that there's individuals with and gaza, who are simply holding as early as captive the a took on october 7th. and so we know much less about those other kidnappers and
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what they intended on the 7th of october. mm hm. but the hospice shaking is not a new phenomenon. in fact, you claim it's as old as the written word. why are we seemingly witnessing a new rise of passage, diplomacy for lack of a better word? and there's a lot of different reasons why we might be seeing so much hostage taking and a whole different range of actors that have been taking hostages. so kids nothings by mouth by arms groups. those kinds of actions have been incredibly common over the last 50 years. or so actually palestinian militant organizations really pioneered hostage taking from airplane hijackings back in the 19 seventy's. and since the 1980s, we've seen a lot more kidnappings. over the last decade, we've also seen autocratic governments taking hostages through their criminal justice system. and at the end of the day, hostage takers take hostages because it works. it is extraordinarily effective.
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i course, saying enormous concessions from much more powerful governments that are at taken great pains, but really struggling to stop this kind of balance. why do democratic nations struggle? so much to find an answer to this kind of a symmetric warfare. there is an inherent tension in hostage taking, especially when it comes to democratic countries that care about their own citizens who are committed to bringing their citizens home. and that whatever a government can do today to bring back as hostages might incentivize the hostage taking of the future. so making concessions whether that's paying a ransom or engaging in a prison, or swap or making other policy concessions that teachers hostage takers around the world. that hostage taking is quite successful. so that's one of the reasons, but it is so attractive at least in the short term perpetrators right now. but the
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democratic world is kind of moved away from that premise of we don't negotiate with terrorists. so having to they have, and countries have at various times, claims to have a no concessions policy. they've claims that they don't make concessions hostage takers, which in some countries cases is variably true. and for most countries, is it true at all? some countries have prohibited specifically on paying ransoms to terrorist groups because that constitutes material support for terrorism and it's the same as making a donation to a terrorist organization. but in fact, most countries have the incentive to make an exception to that policy when their own citizens lives are on the line. and so countries are really struggling with how do they get back to their own citizens today without incentivizing more hostage
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taking tomorrow? yes, so how could israel's response to this hostage crisis help avoid future mess kidnappings? what would need to happen for their response to really be a deterrent for the future? it's it's a great question and it's one that i imagine the israeli government and certainly lots of other governments all around the world are thinking about not only because of the october 7th attacks, but because of the rise in hostage taking around the world. and part of that is the challenge of coordinating across governments of leaders getting together agreeing on what it means to have someone taken hostage agreeing on those concepts and definitions, international conventions and treaties to prohibit and to punish hostage taking largely in that they're working on thinking about ways that they can on ish and threaten the perpetrators of hostage taking so well,
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there have been passed waves of hostile shaking, whether that's the airplane hijacking, or kidnapping, or embassy hostage taking attacks. it has taken the military for security personnel of those governments are really threatening hostage takers, making it unlikely that they can succeed if they continue to take hostages. that 0, of course, followed this situation that unfolded after the homeless attack israel very closely . how do you think the hostage situation shaved the aftermath of october 7 in the 1st days after october 7th, one of the 1st things that we heard from him off about the hostages was that they were threatening to kill and publicly demonstrate that execution to post videos online to kill their hostages every time that the idea launched, an unannounced missile strikes that hit civilians in gaza effectively at an
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explicit threat to use the hostages as human shields. thankfully, we didn't see that in the early days of, of this war after october 7th. but it's entirely possible the fact that there were more than 200 hostages underground in tunnels, in gaza, might have delayed, is rarely, military incursion. and at every level is probably shaping. audi has rarely, military is thinking about it's force on the ground. on the flip side, the idea is talking about the fact that the ground invasion that there incursion and take all that is what frustrated from us to come to the table in the 1st place . so thinking about the relationship between a mouse holding all of those hostages, and what the idea has been willing to do, we might see that change dramatically at the end of this pause in hostilities if the idea continues. if it have, rosie was fighting as they have been threatening to do, faster the insights. thank you so much. danielle gilbert. thanks for having me.
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the truth between israel and how mazda is given, gotten some respite from the finding an environment here now from one extended family that made its way to a guys and beach for a visit. that was all too brief. a chance to breeze without the smoking stench of war. there is space at this beach for the also time family. so different from their space at a facility for displaced guidance. for a brief moment in time, children can play the fear of violence set aside. but not for their parents reflecting on who and what has been lost since the october 7th tomas terror attacks on his real that spurred massive is really retaliation planned on the head us and we came to the beach to take
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a breather. then to change the depressing and polluted environment where in an hour, then people come to the beach to relax, to swim for the children, to have fun, take food with them. but we're sorry, depressed. we're on the beach, but we want to cry for you. one family member though, has finally gotten a chance to fish during the troops and hopes you can keep the clan fed for longer. the uncertainty goes well beyond the end of the truce. the all soul time family like so many and this bit of guys in beach don't know if they have homes to which they can return when the fighting truly ends. as in slammed as a p, r stands to distract from recent allegations of anti semitism against billionaire businessman e on mosque and his platform ex, formerly known as twitter, on monday,
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the world's richest man toward one of the sites devastated by b. i'm off terrorist attack on a visit to israel last visited. okay. boots with is really prime minister benjamin that. yeah. and discussed and tie some of the content on his social media platform mosque also help talks on the potential use of a star link satellite technology for communications access and gaza. israel said most had agreed star link could only be used in the territory with is really government approval. so let's take a closer look now at this topic with dr. battery, he's the director of internet analysis as the monitoring company can take. welcome doug. there seems to be a deal now, but is real, was not at all pleased about mosques initial offer it to bring star link to gaza. what were they concerned about? so just taking a step back with how, how does a satellite service come come active in a country the every country their government has the talking to patients regulator,
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the offers that requires a license for our country to operate for satellite service to operate there. and you as of october 7th, i certainly did not have a license to operate in is real. i'm not sure where they were in the process. they were probably pursuing it, but, but uh, i guess this would fast track uh, an authorization for them to use it from a technical standpoint. there's no reason why if someone had a ground terminal, they wouldn't really get the service. but as far as the, the caution, i think, you know, from the last, from the last couple of months, i think we've learned a couple of things. one is that is really so you have a cut off service the gaza, for extended period of time that have coincided with idea of operations in gaza. so i think from the is really point of view. they look at internet service as something that they want to control as part of their uh, their military operation against a mouse. now most plans that starling can help restore communication with 8
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organizations. for example, in gaza. what would be the hurdles now to get the system to work there? and so really well that's to just getting them the ground terminals because of this, the, the satellites, the way this works. what's the low earth orbit? consolation of thousands of satellites that are flying overhead, all of us and you get a moment. they're going over causal and they have been with it now where they operate. there are not, is it becomes a regulatory matter very, you know, didn't have a license to operate. and so we're going to get that license. so then it's just a matter of getting terminals and that can connect. they have to, you know, no longer black, a blacklist or block out of that geography from service. and obviously those terminals need electricity, which is sometimes hard to come by and, and also startups to go. but the number one thing probably at this point is just to get the ground terminals other the antennas, the dishes,
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and to gather these really governmental said that they are concerned about starling being misused. what could that look like? and so, um i think uh yeah they, they made a comment about how they would like to tightly control who has got, uh, uh, service and, you know, devices like these can be moved. uh, so something could be of, you know, moved from israel into garza or elsewhere. we saw that in glen isis data that took over parts of syria and rack. and they were buying terminals and turkey before the days of starlight, and they were able to trade those over the border and operate those um, uh, in interact syria. but i think, you know, star link has to play the critical role in the conflict in ukraine. so we can see, you know, it's application in the military settings, both for or the battlefield communications for coordinating military activities, as well as according drone surveillance and drone attacks. those have been
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performed with the aid of the startling service because the internet and infrastructure expert, doug mon dory, thank you so much. i of the argentine as president elect may, is visiting washington dc for talks with us government officials and the i m. f, as spokesperson formulae says the talks are and 1st and foremost, at explaining his economic plans, he lay was elected on a platform of radical measures that he says will drag argentina out of its decades long economic slump is proposals include shutting down argentina, central bank, and turning away from doing business with china and brazil, currently argentina's to biggest trading partners. also campaign to replace argentina's currency to pay. so with us on
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we can now speak to him in orlando. she's research director, and she's analyst at the risk intelligence company. verisk maple croft team and i welcome back to the w. me late. hasn't taken the out of office yet. he's still only president elect. so why did he make this trip now as well? there's 2 uh parts to that on. so the 1st one is a personal one. he went on the, let's call it a pilgrimage to thing, a very famous rob, by that, you know, he had asked for wisdom in this campaign and when the campaign. and so the 1st up in new york was of a more personal nature than one related to formal office. now of course, he's 2nd self in washington dc. very much we needed to trying to cover just, you know, my career cannot make problems. of course, having that 1st encounter with the bite in administration. it's not forget the being a preston and elect with a very short political career means that it's not
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a very well known figure in washington. so this will give him that 1st opportunity . and then of course, the international monetary fund that argentina needs to be negotiate. it's that with that he's not a well known figure in the u. s. he has been widely compared to donald trump though by the people who know who he is. we are aware of him, is that how he's seen in the us as well to well impart that is very correct and insight to me late does not hide the fact that he admires donald trump, that he's got a personal relationship with him as well as with former brazilian pressing and charitable scenario, but there are also some significant differences between mulay. i'm former president trump. the 1st one is quite obvious in terms of the size of their political parties . one being, you know, one of the most established and known living parties in any democracy, the republican party in the us. where is the lace parties just barely 2 years old,
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but there so, so a major difference in terms of the, you know, how me lay use new king to re insert argentina into global markets to open up the economy, which you can call and trust in some ways to a more, let's say i solution is to approach under the trump administration though, of course, as you mentioned earlier, a bose having a quite, you know, strong rhetoric in relation to china. and he ran on a platform to radically overhaul argentina's financial system. dollar rising the economy, closing the central bank, but only a week after the election. those plans look like they have already come off track. what happened there, which well, we always say in political science there's, there's a huge gap between the contain trail and sitting in office, right. and so i think this is reality is hitting home. he's going for a much more pragmatic economic plan. it does not mean that he's dollar,
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i say sion program is buried for good, but rather that he needs to get the house in order before he can move with any of his more radical plans. so i think it would be fair to say that he's going for reform right now. not necessarily revolution. well, let's talk about the relationship between argentina and the international monetary fund for a 2nd. because when, as our, as has provided the, i'm a, with some of the biggest headaches since the agencies inception, the i m. s. is one of malays stops on the strip. does he have what it takes for reset, as well? he has to try that reset for one. i mean it's no longer the, uh, you know, the i m f is argentina's problem as it's biggest debtor. argentina is also a problem for the i m s. so i think there's a to interested parties to set up the table. look at some of the key economic proposals that may late plans to send to congress after he gets,
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and they'll get rated on the 10th of december. and so what they will be evaluating is, 1st of all, you know, fiscal retrenchment kind of origin to, you know, stop spending more than it generates kind of started getting is accounts back on the blocks from the red and at what pace tended to that because of course, our agency now has payments due to the i m f in december and january under questions about whether the reserves of the country has are enough to meet those that service and commitments. so of course, renegotiating, getting argentina back in a more sustainable program will be top of the agenda. well, it might be a lot to ask. we're off air in a minute. maybe briefly, if you can, what would a more rail and pull that to based approach in argentina mean for the region? well, of course it would be interesting to see argentina began the regions return to the
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left or years ago and now seems to be bringing potentially the region back towards the right or a more centrist approach. the question that we need to, to answer actually will that make the economic and social difference. but lots and americans are asking for across the region and not only in argentina, we'll have to wait and see kind of like a very small craft. oh, it's great speaking to you. thank you so much. i and that's or time, but make sure to stay informed, stay engaged and stay in touch. you can follow our team on twitter or x as it's now known at dw news. if it's the latest headlines you're looking for, there is always our website that's the www dot com from all of us here on the day. thank you so much for spending part of your day with us to the
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