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to, to minimize that, we have an opportunity to, to get it right before we even start environmental activists of skeptical rules fail billions to be made out to the entries deep. the greed dots, december 7th, on dw the in the past week and boss has returned dozens of hostages to israel. all of them women and children. israel has released the chinese from its prisons, all of them women in teenagers, not a single man in this equation. is that about to change from how boss is no sign at all. that the tier a group is willing to release the soldiers, the men that it took captive during its attack and israel on october 7th. but there are reports suggesting a longer pause into fighting could possibly include the release of more women and children. and for the 1st time, cement i bring gulf and berlin. this is the day the,
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the state of culture has been working since day one of this crisis to enhance its mediation, intense negotiations of taking place. this process, producing results important. and we hope that it can continue, we must, in suicide. the people of the reason finally about our eyes and of hope in the end of the resorting to military means is definitely not a solution. responding to violence with violence only fuels hatred and leads to a vicious cycle. also coming up the long months cause a message for advertisers distancing themselves from what they say is his coming up with anti semitism. and hopefully there are no children listening. so if somebody to try to blackmail me with advertising black, knowing with money still your self but
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go yourself. is that clear? what do you all review is watching on cbs in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with the cease fire in gaza extended, kept alive and announced minutes before it was scheduled to run out. now that would allow the fighting between israel into mosse to resume. how long will this extension the last today mentioned at the time window of one day? israel's military has posted no information regarding any time references. guitar is the chief mediator between both sides. it is clear guitar sees this extension as a next step on the way to a lasting truce. take a list of hope is to reach a sustainable truth that would lead to the fact that it goes. ready and eventually, to an end, to add to this as it goes, you know,
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by left through to this war. and we have always said that we need the push of the whole international community to make sure that that happens. all right, so i want to speak now with mr. yos, children about and he is the middle east, north africa, director of the international crisis group in g o. he joins us tonight from vienna . mr. berman it's good to have you with this do. do you also see this extension in the cease fire as the next step, taking both sides to a lasting truce of some sort as potentially yes and hopefully yes and, but there is no guarantee of anything at this point. the last extension was accomplished at the last moment just before the expiring of the previous pause. i know we need to see whether before 7 30 tomorrow morning local time. it is roberto starting whether the ceasefire can be extended for at least one of the 24 hours. but yes, i continually, we move that into a more permanent ceasefire. but i think the obstacles are enormous. yeah,
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and it feels like a one day extension, like we saw today, is simply a band aid being put on a gaping. when would you agree? not so much because i actually was every extra 24 hours. meanwhile, negotiations are happening about an overseas fire and they require more time. so we actually gaining time for those negotiations in particular. so they're in effect 2 different types of organizations going on. one about extending occurred pause the other one about ceasefire. so i think it's really important cuz if, if there's a return to fighting tomorrow, say it's going to be more difficult to have another boss. of course, how important are the men, the mil hostages held by hamas and the male detainees, and is really prisoners including the guy. well, it shouldn't be the case, but for both sides,
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or that is the most important thing. and why, why right and are fighters? why, what is it? is it because they are there in the area? but why are they so important? 20 hostages about for the phrase. well it's, it's, i know, for one thing the women and children are more important books also for our master, easier to release because it's for various and capital. it shouldn't have been the 1st, but, you know, it's one thing to capture soldier during the conflict. that's another thing to do to hold women and children, not local, but it's also meant by the way. so if any man a captive, so, so it's embarrassing. so i think they realize that they need to release that. but of course, they the exact, the sort of price when it comes to the, to the, to the, to the, is where the soldiers, then it becomes a match often does that require from how much perspective a higher price. because these are actually, they're fighting entities. when it comes to the opinion of prisoners and these
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rangel's is all, has thousands of going to senior prisoners, not prisoners. most of them are not fighters, they're civilians, but they're in, in prison for very security officers. and i'm not supposed to get as many out as possible, and if we get to the point, but we see adult male detainees and his real being released and we see adult male hostages. and they're not talking about soldiers here. so i'm a civilian being released by how much would you say that we are a significant step closer then to a lasting ceasefire of the you know, it's all increments of price. so we've gone through most of the women children, i'm not sure executive to numbers much or any part of yours. and we move to 2 meals . starcy mil boonies, right? he's like to try work or significant, you know, work or maybe in a funny work. let's, let's so, so we are building up to that and it is
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a lot of pressure though, and i think is last is this upward teams. we can actually start talking about a more serious political ceasefire. but that is not something that is real. seems to moment because is there any comment or the need a sense that they want to destroy a mass. and i want to ask you about the role of guitar and all of this guitar is spinning this latest extension as a, as a building block. but one could argue that today's news does nothing but highlight the role of guitar as mediator in terms of actual, you know, moving towards piece, there's nothing to talk about. nothing new to talk about tonight. so cut cutters in place. yeah. you know, a very serious, important and constructive role in mediating this, the very big database. you know, i last in israel and with success. so it's going to compete with us. of course, it's not at all, it's egypt. it's also helping with this. and, and of course,
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but it just seems united states pushing because as united states, as google relationship with this printer actually as well hasn't worked above relationship with got there. so, oh, the sides. you know, it's ideally place meeting. yeah. i mean, it's sort of, i want to get your take on this. you know, we have tried to get a guitar, he's to come on the program to talk about the mediation. we had someone today who backed out at the last minute. do you think that there is a problem for anyone representing guitar considering the fact that guitar is also a major from funding source for a moss? i mean they are, they are. one could argue they are part of the problem here. at the same time they're trying to be immediate but i don't know if they're part of the problem because of course they also have a relationship with his ro. they're connected to both sides. i don't know about funding necessarily and they funded civilians and go so uh so it was
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important for the pro fuel into into category which was needing to buy but civilian population and they weren't even getting enough of it. so uh, but i think if, if, if the properties are not particularly eager to talk about a clear just because they've hope they don't want to jeopardize the folks that are ongoing and where their role is so critical. i want to ask you before, when i talked about the incentives of what the incentive does have boss, have to continue to release the hostages that it took on october, something on the other side. but we cannot see at the moment i'm asked me to sort of sort of started almost over 7 says the main objective as low as to when the release of 1st indian prisoners in his rare details. uh, and so they're in the process of accomplishing that to some extent, you know, to the extent that they think is sufficient, given how many hostages they have a prisoners of war. but this is really one of their cubes that jenkins before
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october 7th. the prisoner issue was a huge issue in a better senior community. rob speaking was very sensitive and a sofa, so put it as a talk to objective be resonated, the overall understanding community. you'll see of them on the middle east, most advocate director of the international crisis group in g o. this gentleman, we appreciate your time and your valuable insights tonight. thank you. thank you so much. yvonne must be the chairman of the social media company. x, formerly known as twitter, has deliberate a bombshell warning to advertisers who dropped x as one of their outlets blasting what he says is there black mailing. well, disney warner brothers and discovery are among the big names that suspended advertising on the x. following must endorsement of what human rights groups say was an anti semitic post. most consent said he regrets the endorsement. now here's
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what it must have to say under discussion at the new york times book deal gathering on wednesday. take a listen. somebody to try to blackmail me with advertising black, knowing this money yourself but go yourself. is that clear? i mean, if the company fails because of the advertising more talk, it will fail because of ties boycott and that will be what back of the company. yeah, i have to paraphrases, i want to quote you on most the night. i want to bring in said sanderson, he's the founding director of new york university center for social media and politics. the centers goal is to strength and democracy by conducting research and pushing evidence based public policy. deb, it's good to have you on the program. he's on mosque was interviewed at the 2023 deal book. somebody in new york city. um, were you there when he told those advertisers to basically after themselves?
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i was not there but, but i'm certainly very familiar with that. not just that quote, but the full clips. and what did you think when you heard, what do you have to say? rates, are there any good? what's important here is that there are 2 ways to think about the platform. the 1st is that a business that needs to generate revenue to keep the lights on, and the other end of the social network where people may or may not want to participate in public discussion on that particular network. these are related to a certain extent. advertisers tend to want to go where their user is, but the, you know, must actions, can have different effects on the business versus the platform itself. here, i mean, it's pretty clear that his response is obviously bad. from a business perspective. advertisers have already left for brand safety concerns. it's unlikely that what he said yesterday will convince them to return, and you must himself. and in that what you displayed on the said that, you know, it's, there's a chance that twitter, my, or x, my go bank run some of the, from the network perspective, the of the so for people may or may not want to show up the cuts in 2 directions
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for those who want the old twitter, which was imperfect sure, but also tried to promote a certain type of public productive discourse. this would be more evidence of twitter, his declaration for those were most fans. i think he can sort of do no wrong and, and we've already seen some evidence of business being celebrated. let's, let's dissect most of the claims that he made here for a moment. first, he accused companies of black mailing him or ex, over allegedly anti semitic sympathies. that he may harbor. yeah. it's true or false. true that there that he's being blackmailed or true, that he video. just the blackmail that he's being blackmailed. yeah. so for me, there's a certain irony that must cool who when he bought then twitter now now x, i'm really sort of made some, some sure is free speech claims. it's right. that fit for people are allowed to say what they want in for, for me, it's sort of interesting to see him frame what advertises are doing as blackmail
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versus a legitimate for him if he speaks to me, what we're seeing is, advertiser is essentially be concerned with their own brand safety and want to reject the type of speeds that we're seeing must participate. and so, so you know, i see this is just, you know, for somebody who, who, you know, promote it a certain ideal of free speech that there was an irony and alcohol and, and then he went on to say that the public will blame these blackmailers for killing x, do you believe him? it is that true with the public? blame the the advertisers if x were to fold to i'm. so i think i want to. so the way that i think about this is not that there is one public, but instead there are many publics here, right? so like i mentioned in my 1st response, you know, there are people who want the old twitter and we've seen some of them leave twitter for other platforms for thread, for mastodon,
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for blue sky. i don't think that they will see, you know, what sort of advertisers involved here. i think that those see the changes that must cause me both in tone and tenor. but also, you know, in terms of the actual platform itself at fault. you know, i think another cam you know, that the folks who, who really like muscles they may sort of take them up on, on, on his sort of promise and blame advertisers. but i would sort of complicate this idea that there is a single public and then we'll have a single person perspective on the table the the new york times. and it's reporting on this summit. it lists the the musk ask yourself moment as the top take away from the event, and that's a head of it appears by the us vice president and the is really present. it is all p r good p r. is that what they're proving? so no, i don't think i'll p r as good p r, because i think that what matters for for twitter is, is 1st that advertisers advertise on, on, sorry, x, it's tough, right? always right. remember, i knew that advertisers actually have advertised there,
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and then you know, the 2nd is that users want to use it. so i don't think in this case, but all yours. good are, but i think that what's, what's important is for us to take a step back and ask why we care so much about the story to begin with. right? i mean, like, you know, x is, is a reasonably sized company, but we don't care about other companies of the same size. the reason why we care about it is for more than a decade, twitter health news rooms decide what to cover law make or share their views after this coordinate collective action. and it was a place for people to go online and understand the world and full and it just sort of collectively sense make it together. and again, it was perfect, but it was a key part of our public communications infrastructure. so for me, the reason why we care is because that sort of twitter, that'd be new is largely seems to be dead or i would perhaps degeren's form is better dying. yeah. and, and so, you know, again i, i sort of see that the p are not, as you know, of yours, good p r. but sort of almost as a, um, potentially long you would be for,
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for the platform. we're going back in the day, the twitter that we may be of all identified with or used what was a, a platform today when we're talking about twitter or x we're, we're always, almost always talking about ease on most of the world's richest man, right? that's a big difference. yeah, that's, that's a huge difference. um and, you know, i know in the news industry, they say that sort of people who make the news and be that news. and i think some worldly for platforms. uh, you know it's, it's best when they're just the platform. let me, let me ask you to look into your crystal ball from any, do you, do you see a, a positive future for x? i mean, no, we still say retweet something on x. i mean, i don't know what the verb is on the x, right? i'm x thing on x. i don't know what i, what the word is for that. but, i mean, do you see in 5 years, 67 years? will it be a force at all on social social media? so it's, again, it's clear, like you just mentioned, do you have
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a twitter that we knew no longer exists? and so, you know, i think that x is changing at the moment that the social landscape generally, or social media landscape generally is, is shifting that shifting into primary ways. i think the 1st is we're increasingly sort of focused on algorithmically driven multi modal content. places like tech talk, we've seen youtube and, and facebook and instagram change in this direction. the 2nd is we're just seeing, you know, more platforms, you know, platforms like discord and what's out there. focus on messaging. hyper local social networks like next door. and so i think it's what sort of unclear is where x fits into all of this. and again, they used to be the place where media and political and cultural leads when to engage in public discussion and sort of shape public discourse. that doesn't seem to really be the case as much anymore. and so i think the future of x is entirely unclear. yeah, it's, it's like the say was a cards used cars. this isn't your father's, you know, chevrolet, it's not your,
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your social media, your father's social media company the way he knew it at one time. so it's anderson, the family, director of new york university center for social media and politics. we appreciate your time to excellent talking with you. thank you. thank you. in the united nations comp 28 climate conference has opened in dubai. and governments are preparing for 2 weeks of talks in hopes of reaching an agreement to phase of fossil fuel. some that began with the launch of a fun to help countries deal with the effects of financing. several countries fledged hundreds of millions of dollars. critics, however, say that the fund will need billions b, as in brent billions of dollars. if it's to have any impact i want to go now to the somebody in the by and i want to speak to the uganda and climate active is young. be more it's, you know me, it's going to have you with this. so what do you say about this fund then? is it, is it more window dressing, or are we really talking about getting money to the people who need it to mediate
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the impact of climate change of those. thank you so much, but this one up for opportunity i just to me and just one that we go from the airport and for me, my expectation of really like 5050 because the president for this conference is already se, go for it as a for the fuel company, you know, by the name i mean these by and which indicates that the charges are very low and that we do something, but we still have the if the front line might demand. and if i see is on, i forgot claimant mobility because why don't didn't you report that was published by a forgotten shift predicted that by printing if you do the cost the vote as between you go ahead and run that is going to be a claim. it will be the destination for receiving allowed one point. one, median play meant to be liable by. yeah, this is because the area as of some more portion of the lift divided that as, as,
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as border and people are looking for that. sometimes you've got a nice thing, it must have declined now with k. h a which has been used. i mean to for each. the quote number is 1962. at the same time we see is kyla getting price on formed? s p chevy went so right now we had planned to read to get on 5. it tim reach up or down so people can grow for. but nowadays to buy a new book. well, focus on the a movie. we assume mastic novel people moving one over me. i wanted them to let me, let me ask you for a moment about the place of africa and these, the, the, these talks, you know, when these conferences began, there was the talked about africa even having a place at the table. but that was a long time ago. do you feel like you're being seen? do you feel like your concerns are being taken seriously and that they're up there, you know, on i level with, with, with other countries other continents. i mean, i don't think so because sometimes we haven't given even a microphone to speak,
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you know, lots. yeah. it was so hard to remember that even one of the room, i'm asking questions and they may have been by that responding to me. so what that was so happy was the, i did little send them, i do not jim that went to westport, but at this time they knew but told us we're going to be how much and waves. so today we went to see the pro days and get dressed by the a see me play me, especially when most of them it's because we need to. it's always going to be how much able to pay, you know, and we need to be default every yeah. for that, because show us the money which was be given by this country. and this is what you want the money, you know, well, you know, it's easy to throw money at a problem, right? of women. there's ever a problem. that's our instinct is if we, if we had a lot of money, then we'd be able to fix it. a climate change is not that simple. even if the money were on the table for you, how confident are you that in your country or across all of africa, that,
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that the decisions would be made by local decision makers that would use that money in the best way possible to mitigate the impact of climate change. yes, the plans are already in place, but what a big challenge we have is the money that has been coming if you remember the i'm going to be you and that was for me, 14 years ago i opened that game. you know, the promise i'm going to be a nice man has been coming in portion, but from being enforcement has been coming with high interest rates. if you look at the report that was published by the books, what mean june? it was showing how the money has been coming, and communities we are unable to access these money. so if they want to see that, we kind of don't even much be done with the money. let them read easy ways. zillow interested it without like saying we're helping you, but let them send it in their way above combusted to what they have done. but also there is one thing though,
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when you talk about we're talking about the just transition and we're not talking about how these countries from the volt. why would i using this opportunity to exploit these vulnerable countries? i see people b, s lived in green river ocean, so we need to talk about green slip. i didn't seem discoveries anymore. we passed through. yes about that's done for the transition. the. i mean that is a topic that we will talk about in another time. unfortunately, we're out of time, but it's going to talk with you. your passion is infectious. i can tell you. um, thanks for taking the time to talk with this. good luck. thank you. the irish singer and songwriter, shane macgowan has died. he was 65. he was best known as the front man of the vault on van, the po, she's 1987 single fairytale with new york and made to popular track played every christmas gallons. that comes after
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a long period of of health. the senior struggled with both alcohol and drugs and had been using a wheelchair after a series of false. this was tomorrow is december 1st, the christmas season has begun. we'll leave you tonight with a christmas classic from the post a fairy tale of new york. the lyrics remind us perhaps not to forget the reason for the season. we'll see you tomorrow by the way. it was a insurance on the the, this is the, [000:00:00;00]
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the, or the account is the employees and the government is doing nothing. just submitted it, but it was months the pride of silvia. but now in chinese ownership, it's become a dreadful pollution. kanza is on the right. environmental activists are fighting back and demanding action focus on
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made for mines the . this is dw, dues live the properly, and these really are me, says a further hostage release is under way to his release and the return to israel with more about to be free by him. off the release of the 2 women raises, hopes of a further extension of the cease fire. just hours before that release 3 is riley's, were killed, and a shooting. you're a bus stop in jerusalem moss as claimed responsibility plus the cop $2800.00 talks open and one of the world's biggest oil producing nations. 70000 delegates lobby as

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