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[000:00:00;00] the the, this is dw dues alignment from berlin. international dismay to night is israel and her boss resumed finding concept, united nations describing the renewed hostilities as a return to hell on earth. regardless of both come off and israel learning each other for the breakdown of the c side. also, it can be up to diag jeremy's transfer or walk, show launching an international club to help in the fight that gets climate change
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. triple focus on how industries can cut greenhouse gas emissions the regardless good to have you. with this on this friday, the un has described the renewed finding between him aust militants and israel as a return to hell on earth for garza. i'll see all of these resume this morning after negotiators failed to extend what had become a 7 day cease fire officials from the home aust controlled health ministry and gone to say a 178 palestinians had been killed since the middle of the tents and gaza have also been firing rockets towards israel, but no casualties have been reported. they have here a week of relative calm. the sound of war has returned to gaza. explosions
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rang out across the enclave. dashing hopes that the truth would again be extended. of israel said it resumed combat after him. ass violated the terms, but how mass which the us and the you have designated a terrorist organization, lamed israel for the breakdown and talks in the southern city of rafa. palestinians raised to sign survivors in the russell is the this is the house, the civilians, people, the fled from the area. they're all young and children. there were similar themes in nearby hun units where a hospital was inundated with wounded civilians on the printer. well, we were at home listening to the news. when the bombing stops here,
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they are comfortable and destroyed home. this is the 2nd house of us that's been destroyed. and this is the nature of these, right? and i mean, what more can i say? people have now started sleeping on eunice, a city, tens of thousands, had fled to in recent weeks, seeking refuge from bombardments in the north. a israel is warning guidance to follow, evacuation orders for what it calls the next stage of the war. the idea has been sending messages and announcements to the people of gaza, calling on them to evacuate from specific areas that are being used by how most of the terrorist activities in the areas of what all of course, legitimate military targets that will be destroyed in response to the october 7th, masika thomas continues to file
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a nova october 7th. a sign that is real could be expanding its incursion, leaving gallons with fewer places to seek shelter. i'm drawing nearby journalist semi circle, he is in jerusalem, sammy as finding resumes. i mean, what is the reaction there in israel still of course the reactions are mixed and are those especially uh, the families of the hostages, who as expected to have seen the more rounds of a release of hostages. and the definitely there is disappointed in that the com and the tomorrow they're planning a big approach days. actually, some of those that will be speaking would be at hostages that were in gallons of it . but on the other hand, you hear voices that are saying that this is the opportunity to pound the gaza strip. this is the opportunity to bring destruction in the gaza strip. and,
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and some of these voices come from the government that says, i just say what the quote here, the finance minister battalion, the smoke fleet, and he said, any agreement for another sees fire would be a grave mistake. that shows a weakness to the enemy. and he says here that now is the time to end or contact and negotiations with how mosque and the mediators, another minister, was talking about liquidate the returning of the, occupying the gaza strip. and so we hear different voice. this is, i mean there are more reports of hostages being killed in this latest finding in gaza. i mean, can you confirm any of these reports? this is definitely a, this period in which there was a, a ceasefire or a law in the fight. the this gave it opportunity for these really intelligence to gather more information about the situation in the guns
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a street. now there announced some of the families is that the knew that their members are hostages. they, they, they informed them is that the family members are not today with the living that they have died. in one of these cases, they succeeded in getting a body from the gaza strip and bringing it to barion in his room. we don't know is the circumstances of the death of these hostages, whether they were killed by those who kept them hostage, or maybe they were killed from the bombardment in their and sammy briefly, is there any chance that negotiations will produce another pause in the fighting within the next couple of days or is that time window simply to to short. so definitely we're not going to see any of that kind of development the tonight. but
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the parties are still engaged. eh, cup of it is definitely a spilling gaze. they have, they have announced the thing, it's in contact with both how mouse and the is around. and the israel has basically said that we're willing to continue with the existing formula over leasing a 10 women and children of for a one day over a truce. and the release of the palestinians of that category and how much this thing that they don't have any children less. and they're saying that these women, there's a debate about these women, whether they are eligible for release or lot of buses differently. there could be a you read a resumption of this kind of charles 72nd with alliance tonight in jerusalem semi as always. thank you. the choice between how boss in israel ended after 7 days now in that time off and other militants in guns are released or than
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a 100 hostages, mostly is regulated in return for the release of more than 240 palestinian prisoners from is rarely jailed extensions of the troops were negotiated with international health, 1st and foremost, from a tiny era emirate whose unique influence over her boss has attracted international attention. our citizens of israel breaking to see is as a condo, it brings a 79 year old hosted china top joy also in the west bank as kind of skinny as welcome women and children who were released from it is rarely jail. to get to this point because a flurry of diplomatic activity involving 3 key international players. number one kata it almost ag not in countries, leadership has direct contact with him us since 2012. it's hosted an overseas office,
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told him how much chief east might of honey yes. and several of the top members live in the gulf. and right. and cutoff has used respect to exhibit influence of the u and u. s. designated terrorist organizations. well, we got that. have a unique position that i was going to be available don't have since the united states. we requested that we opened this channel with him us. we have a working relationship with them and we have hopeful that through the amenities that we have, that we can do things that others can do it and they need to be fully honest. we have been attacked for being able to speak to how much being able to speak to you on being able to speak to the tiny bind, be able to speak to to us at the time. but somebody has to make these difficult discussions. somebody has to be able to say, i am going to cross the line and make the discussions that will bring about peace.
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this doesn't happen unless there is a dialog space didn't happen, spots opposing fighting, did also free dialogue with israel. a country with which tow has no official diplomatic relations behind closed doors. contrasts prime minister has hosted the chief of both us and is riley intelligence agencies. and last weekend, a jet, carrie and katara officials made its way to israel and historic 1st an extraordinary moment for the 2 countries, the tulips and israel. a said to have been instrumental and saving the original trees and extending it. media to a number to the united states as well as most important ally has facilitated dialogue with middle east and media. it is and has been pushing hard for further extensions to the ceasefire. on thursday morning, the west secretary of state touch down in tel aviv for the 4th time since the
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conflict escalated has stated go a longer term solution for israel and gaza. this process is producing results. it's important, and we hope that it can continue. the weight of washington's influence has been evident from the stats. the 1st 2 hostages, who were released long before the hostages for prisoners still took effect while us citizens. but lincoln, slate to strip, wasn't enough to prevent a resumption of fighting. maybe i to number 3. egypt. the country has opened its photo wisconsin to receive hostages, released by him us, and allow trucks to deliver to monetary and h to kansas. as part of the choice in front of the cameras and behind closed tools, egypt has also been involved in diplomatic negotiations. lucky matt. analysts say
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that egypt influence on the israeli palestinian issue isn't what it once was. but it's interest in ending the fighting and gaza remains. kai, right. doesn't want to take in the hundreds of thousands of people. the boy has just or or more. i am now joined by hans johnson schindler. he's a former german diplomat and a middle east experts is currently a senior director at the counter. extreme is projects with jim. it's good to have you here in the studio with us and tell us more about the communication channels between israel and how much and these negotiations. nothing is official here, right? good evening. thanks for having me. no, no, there is no direct contact. so this goes why i got to have of course the scene is radio officials including high ranking intelligence officials traveling from and to door ha, but really got tie see of the go in between between israel and thomas. and it's so who's talking to whom that got to talk. so how much the egypt power allow and
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nothing to will have also talks to how much to how difficult is communication between israel and who most with, with all of these, the goose natures involved. i mean, do you have almost too many people with bringing in the background? well, this is the same channels you have or race, then you have in direct negotiations, right? you need to be sure that your in the media is a absolutely trustworthy. and on the got tower side, i would say that is a lack of that's one of whether you actually get told the truth of what the other side ones. and also you need to meet, understand, or you make to make sure that the, that you're, the media understands what you want, the other site to understand and vice versa. so it's, it's more complex. but as, as israel, how could they talk directly to home us? unless it's on a very operational, very direct intelligence like what very important middle east play with a lot of influence on a moss is missing. it seems. and i'm talking about iran and why is that?
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are you ronald really is taking, trying to take advantage of this situation, right. you're seeing both his bypassing the noise, but it just does enough to keep his real busy. but it's a ron who could, with one would set to spell, i lose on his route because is what i is beholden to. iran is essentially preserving us it. on the other hand, the who sees in yemen also a proxy offer. uh, iran is also doing right, but the letter that is possible to keep everyone busy. so yvonne is trying to position itself to get maximum benefit out of this particular situation. were we talking about proxies? i mean, after we understand that it does have mosse, do they look to tell you wrong, for maybe defect to permission to do things, for example, or, or is the connection? not quite that strange. i mean, if you look at what happens on the 7th of october, it really has the handwriting off here. all right. what, how must it until this for chrome like attack was very different,
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methodologically. as far as the tires backpack is concerned, it was a smaller scale tara attack suicide bombings, but not a consent, multi, our multi day military style tara attack that killed everyone that was inside. so that is really the classic tactics that iran has taught the malicious and iraq that has taught the is belie, always operating in syria. so absolutely how must is beholden to here are not only for the supply weapons and ammunition, but also the former. and what is going on inside? gosh, i mean, mazda is not the only player i'm thinking of islamic jihad, for example, i'm, is how much does it have to make sure that all of these players are on the same page? i think there's 2 levels here, right? so if you're talking about who holds more hostages, and how can you know the next level of the negotiations? are the chief can help with that? go, yes. then how must has competitors and ready to come up. chiefly, the policy needs. let me get you out to was
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a much smaller sales structure of the terrace organization, but who has no political slate in gaza? apples any significant size. and then there are some of these quads by criminal groups. that goal is to hold hostages, but when it comes to military decision making in guys, there really is only homeless. the. the 1st deal between is realism, us, is now the history of funding is resumed, the u. s. they made it very clear that they expect israel to protect ordinary people in gaza. more than, than we've seen in the past. i mean that pressure is definitely stronger than before. how much leverage does washington have right now? what washington, i'm pretty sure it's the only one was actually really evict over a square. and you've seen a few more additional attempts by israel to demonstrate that he is trying to protect civilians. the idea of the is really military released them up in which the
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entire gaza strip is divided into zones. and they will announce the number of the song where the attack happens on usual for military to tell is addressed res, publicly. where are they going to attack next? the price that they're willing to pay in order to make sure that they lift the as little as possible if everything's going to be affected by these effects. of course that goals, that means how my site is not going to be necessarily in these areas. so let me ask you to look into your crystal ball. how long do you think that the funding will continue until we have a nother ceasefire? another agreement in place start is really hot that he was very clear that this was just phase one. i always said this is the confidence building phase. can you actually do a deal and operationalize a deal, our both sides have kept their what until the very end. then how most played around with a number of hostages went down to terra, talked to jerusalem. now, unfortunately, how much has to end this? because i must one's more for me as well then just the palestinians, but business final question for you who is in
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a stronger position. now compared to when the ceasefire started is really from us. it's really hard to tell that i don't think the relative differences have really military shifted to a great deal is really in a very good position to fully control the north causes. so by time us, as we have seen, the last couple of hours is still able to his back mr. center as as always, good to have you here in the studio. we appreciate your analysis. thank you. thank you so much. the you in relief agency, you in our w. h says that notion mandatory and aid has been allowed into gaza since the temporary truce ended early on friday. it says it is quote, beyond concerned no trucks carrying aid or waiting at the raw foot, crossing to cross from egypt into a gauze at the 7 day truce allowed more. a deliveries to reach civilians in gauze, including fuel for the 1st time since the hum us terrorist attack on october 7th,
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you when in the us were calling for the temporary cease fire to be restored. for more on the end of this truce in garza, i'm joined now by lieutenant colonel jonathan corner because he's a spokesperson for the israel defense forces. we can a girl know it's good to have you with this. the is really military said today that it attacked 200 and last targets in the gaza strip. can you tell us more about what kind of targets they were us? hi, good evening and thank you for having me on the show. and yeah, we struck a variety of targets as before. we are prioritizing come us commanders. and we are striking both infrastructure mandatory targets, like where they manufacture or store weapons and of course, enemy combatants. those are the main targets that we start to distract. but those of course,
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many more targets in various parts of gaza that we will continue to strike as this war is now back and we are, we will continue to focus on everything that belongs to come us. and tim, we achieve our final game of eradicating from us and making sure that october 7th never happens again. i want to ask you, lieutenant colonel, i'm how have things changed for the military? um, compared to now compared to the beginning of the ceasefire, are you will need a stronger position or weaker position overall because you had a weak basically of notified us. yeah, we'll have to say that the answer for that would be in a few hours. it's too early to say that, but i can say that the we use the time, well in order to replenish with needed to be replenished and fix with needed to be fixed to study and to prepare for the next round of operations. one can assume that the enemy did the same thing, that is usually what happens in fighting when there is
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a respite. and in the coming hours and days we will see which side use the time better. and we'll see how the balance on the battlefield is. of course i, we have very high confidence in the combat capabilities of the idea of the spirits . the morality is high and there's a very clear understanding in as well amongst civilians and most important to you as long as the soldiers on the ground and in the air that there is a very important task that needs to be accomplished. and it is the risk on the shoulders of the idea of to make sure that garza is freed up from us and southern as well as the speed of this terror that has been raining there for all too long. the is really military has published an interactive map, splitting the gaza strip into hundreds of small zones, which it says it will use to notify the palestinian civilians of active combat zones. it talk to me about how you expect civilians to be notified that
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an attack is coming. i. i'm just wondering how, how will the logistics look like on the ground with this or yeah, it's definitely not easy. it's a big endeavor. lots of energy i is being focused in order to make sure that the palestinians on the ground will be notified in relevant time. and what we're seeing on the screen now is of course the internet version. we know and understand that not all god zones have access to internet all of the time. and that is why we also have been dropping leaflets. and we have also been communicating via radio and phone calls and disseminating this information as broad and as deep as possible. the aim here is to save lives. that's we, we want to do, we want to make sure that goes on civilians who are not our enemy and they are not support as of some us, but they are outside of the areas where they would be fighting because there's going to be fighting. and we saw that the northern gauze out that unfortunately
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sadly come us uses the civilians as their human shields. and that causes sad casualties amongst civilians when we strike a military target. and some us places civilians there that causes casualties. and we want to avoid that. we want to focus on fighting the enemy, and that is why we are going to, in a sense, jeopardize a bits, our own safety, and perhaps compromise our ability to achieve our military goals with minimal effort. because we'll be telling the enemy in advance where we're going to operate in the next stage. we're willing to do that because we understand the complexity on the battle ground. we want civilians out of harm's way and hopefully do many turn organizations you mentioned on law and a few others. hopefully they will be part of the solution in actually protecting civilians and they will help us protect the palestinian civilians who have nothing to do with the fighting. and one of our enemy, lieutenant colonel,
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i wanna ask you about the report that came out earlier today that israel intelligence services were aware here a year ago that tomas could possibly carry out something like the october 7th attacks a year ago. so just the report that came out to date. what has that done within the military to morale? for example, i don't think that it the effects morales so much because the horrible reality of october, the 7th, and the almost a 1000. these riley civilian casualties and hundreds of israeli soldiers that were killed and 250 it is, is brand new stuff were taken hostage. that is bad enough. so it doesn't really matter for the soldiers on the ground. when or if people knew about that before, what matters is the loss of human life and the college and the brutality and the
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scenes of rape and burning and mutilations and all of those horrible things that we witnessed on october the 7th. and that is what matters and that has had a profound impact on troop morale. and if nothing is what it has done is really strengthened the focus and it's very clear. and i eluded through that in my previous answer. and everybody in the idea found this task, but if we do not finish the job and if we do not get rid of her mouse from gaza, then we will be leaving an open door for october. the 7th to happen again. and we must make sure that from us eradicated minutes, early and politically, the air for the safety of these various opinions, so that it never happens again. lieutenant. all right, how are you able to guarantee people inside israel that their security is stronger now than it was a year ago? if a year ago, people were talking about an attack and nothing was done, i mean,
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what's your argument to is really citizens. okay. that may have happened then, but now we won't be as careless perhaps, or yeah. first of all, the entire military leadership has admitted that the idea failed. we failed our citizens and providing security and the most basic of the things that we are supposed to sup uh to provide full stop. and 2nd part is that what we're saying to are civilians now is, you know, there are about 250000 internally, displaced these railings. it doesn't get a lot of coverage around the world. the most of the focus is on gaza, but there are 250000. these varies that have been out of their homes for almost 2 months because we evacuate them both from the south and from the north. now what you're telling them is a simple thing. we will get rid of from us and we will make sure that there is no mandatory threat. and then you will be able to go home, back to homes, to rebuild those communities that were burned and massacre. and we will make sure
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that there is no mandatory thread in the foreseeable future. coming out of gaza, lieutenant colonel. jonathan can reach us with the israel defense forces. intel would be the tenant, kind of, we appreciate your time in your analysis tonight. thank you. thank you. it's, you're watching dw news, i'll be back at the top of the hour with more world news followed by the day. i hope to see you that
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