to some a cantankerous, controversial curmudgeon of yesteryear to others, a german jew who escaped the nazis and became a us diplomat with front row seats to the post war world order that he help create . tonight we look at his legacy. will it age as well as he did in beijing? kissinger is known as a friend of china. but for the rest of us, it's more complicated. after all, we may be inheriting an inflection point in history, made possible by kissinger himself. i broke off in berlin. this is the day the, there's no question that, that he shape foreign policy decisions for decades. they talk with the soviet union, we have china to the west. we remember him bombing cambodia, back to the store night in asia and pots of letting america um, be remembered,

much less fun with the land. the cornerstone of the vase agreements, which were later signed with the agent to me to show you the united states most in harrington carry forward talk to a case and just strategic vision, political courage. a diplomatic was the few people were better students with history. even short people did more to shape history. also coming up after a 7 day ceasefire between homos and israel. hostilities have reserved to the how most ami of tara in the gaza strip violated the terms of the agreed framework and launched the rocket fire at his right communities. having chosen to hold on to women. how mos will now take the mother of old, some pigs. for to our viewers watching on cbs in the united states and to all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today considering the legacy of

henry kissinger, the former us secretary of state under us president richard nixon, died on thursday at the age of 100. a sin, terry, considered one of the most influential and controversial figures of the cold war of the 20th century, prays for his staunch opposition to communism. derided for tolerating the abuses of military dictatorships, a master practitioner can say a re, i'll pull the take, good or bad. it earned him a nobel peace prize for helping in the vietnam war. others accused him of orchestrating war crimes. along the way, kissinger was a leader of the taunt with the soviet union in the 1970s. he struck deals and limiting the nuclear arms race. and he helped open the door to trying to politically and economically, america's one showing the policy of strategic ambiguity, globalization,

and just in time supply chains, they all carry the signature in some form of henry kissinger. she had been bo on the chinese side. and bridget, nick, that the americans that said, let's go to say the quadrant of technical it's up to let's concentrate on talking to each other about very long ago. so that baby could understand. but they tried to achieve. and when you read the food conversations between the to the to they took almost likes it. last of it we had to overcome a number of deputies printed the say on the table on a. but it happened. and it happened in the rendalie had much fear.

and it late the pages for 40 years of on the improving the days of my 1st guess tonight served as a us diplomat in beijing and as an interpreter for henry kissinger and for former us president jimmy carter, robert dailey, is now the director of the wilson centers kissinger institute on china in the united states and he joins me tonight from washington, dc. mr. bailey is good to have you with us on this friday when henry kissinger, when he helped open china in the early 19 seventy's. was there ever any speculation that the fundamentals of global economics and also doing a politics were about to be for ever altered? i know they knew that they were doing something historic and that it was likely to unfold in ways that they couldn't anticipate so that they knew the scale of what these meetings uh you know, with a scale of change that they imply,

but they didn't know the specifics about what they imply they were trying to solve nixon and kissinger. a far more specific problem, which is the problem of balancing against the soviet union. that was what this move was primarily about. they knew that it was going to have larger impacts than that. but their goals didn't involve all of the subsequent changes that you just described. yeah, yeah. the, the, these other impacts that you mentioned, one of course would be what we now refer to as globalization. 15 years ago, we saw a paradigm being established in the united states do business with communist, trying to give them coca cola, rock and roll, and they will become eventually, our allies become more like us. did henry kissinger did she think in these terms, at the time as there is nothing in the record, what was said, that suggests that making china and ally in the technical sense,

we're making it more like us was what they were thinking about. they want the, the mix and insight. so if you have a triangle or hostile relationship, as we did with the soviets and china, that the position you wanted to be in is you wanted to have better relations with each of them. then they had with each other so that each of you arrivals would look to you in a sense, to help solve its problems with the 3rd. so that was the very ambitious, but again, limited goal. yes, after the 1972 meetings, history continued to on the school as it always does in ways good. that in a different form seen and unforeseen. and many of the things that happens is you said you're leading more traceable at least in part, to rep rosemont, between china and united states. but intentionality, for all of those subsequent changes shouldn't be attributed to the actors at the time any more than it can be today. this is when you say that henry kissinger

helped create an inflection point in history even some 50 years ago. and he was he and architect of that inflection. yes, definitely. and numerous inflection points in many parts of the world that a bit played out very differently. in the case of china. absolutely. mazda don't. and nixon, the 2 national leaders, primarily, but joe online and henry kissinger, who are very consequential number twos who help shape strategic thinking were all part of these discussions, which unquestionably open the doors to 40 years of engagement between the united states and china. which was in many ways a very positive story for both countries. but they also opened up a path for china to increase its power. and there are many in the united states and

around the world now who are asking quite correctly what that impacts what that power implies for them. so mixing himself late in his career, said that he thought maybe we had raised a tiger. maybe maybe what was done in 1972 over the very long term wasn't going to work out for the united states. but again, if we look at the world today and things are going on in the middle east in ukraine, with technology, we can be certain that the decisions we make an hour are going to have impacts 102050 years. hence, i don't think we can be blamed for not for seeing all of us president bite. and today, when he talks about the, our current era having an inflection point, he's describing what we now we refer to as the process of the risking in our relationship with trying to. some critics of henry kissinger would say that now

we're trying to reverse what kissinger helped to put in motion over, trying to put no pen door back in the box. i mean, i know you would say that's not fair, but i mean, it does feel like we're trying to undo part of the past 5 decades. aspects of it, although it's not so much trying to undo the taking united states in china, out of cold war isolation from each other that during which we actually fought until each other and tried to harm each other. you know, the, the mile jo, online nixon kissinger reintroduce these nations to each other and open them to each other. what china subsequently became trans, had a number of ups and downs, and it's had a number of reversals, most notably under siege and king who took the country that had gradually been opening up. he took a country that had been practicing soft auth or a terry and isn't. and she brought it down into tech know to tell

a terry. and just to say that nixon or kissinger or anyone else was responsible for that is actually to deny agencies that the chinese themselves over the past 50 years. yes, the opening enables much of what comes later. but most of which what comes later cannot be reduced to the opening. mr. daily. we appreciate your time. we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us on this friday. thank you. thank you. the transatlantic diplomacy was another key plank of henry kissinger's policies. and i wonder what he would think of the state of relations today. the us in europe are growing cold on each other and towards the end data military alliance. so that's according to the findings of independent poll conducted by the morning consult business intelligence. the survey found that favorable views of nato have declined in many european countries since russia

invaded ukraine. u. s. views of the european union and nato are just above pre war levels. and regarding china, germans are now more likely to swipe beijing, them the european union. as berlin's most important training part, i'm doing now by selling it for his b. she is with morning consult, a business intelligence company that provides research from opinion polling and she's in washington dc tonight. it's good to have you with this, you know, one of the take away from your findings is that people in the us and europe are not as supportive of nato as they were a few months ago. why use this? so that's exactly right, brent. so what we've seen in our polling is that compared to a year ago, for example, almost all of the countries where we survey, i've seen a decline in favorability towards nato, and indeed towards their transatlantic partner. what i want to emphasize here though is that we're looking at one year ago. we're not looking to right after the

invasion or write this for the invasion of ukraine. and what we saw right after that invasion was a huge rally round the flag effect and increasing really solidarity between the trans atlantic allies. we saw that in our data. and so to some extent, what we think is happening is a reversion to the mean. so essentially a return to potentially where we were before, i will point out the use of nato on both sides of the atlantic as well as views of the opposite partner are still net positive. so we're not seeing a fracturing of the alliance or, or a real salary on the relationship itself. but i think what we are seeing is people really returning a little bit to business as usual, and their perceptions of the trans atlantic relationships. because, you know, the russian president vladimir putin, he has a predicted circular lever off has as well that, you know, given time the solidarity and unity will the road. and then what you're saying is we, we haven't seen that yet. i know we haven't seen that and i think uh those putting

in lab roads had made some pretty bad predictions about the transatlantic alliance in recent history and what their response would be to ukraine. for example, we do see um, pretty continued support for maintaining sanctions on russia, even if it causes prices to rise in western in western economy. is what i think is, is interesting. of course is the debate about ukraine funding. obviously in the united states, we're seeing an ongoing debate where we're seeing ukraine funding tied to both israel funding and also to support for increasing funding to the southern border. and so i think the state are really um, highlights that, you know, as time goes on, politicians really are going to have to justify uh to their voters, why we're spending this money. why it's important to continue to support ukraine, the more time passes. and what about the countries here in europe that it provided most of the military aid to keep?

i'm thinking of germany, the u. k. in france is the mood and turning against the war here. and i'm also thinking, you know, germany is predicting that for the 1st time ever, it will be spending 2 percent of a gdp on defense. so that's a great question. first of all, i'd like to say there's an interesting divergence and some of europe and data. so use of the united states tend to be sort of in the, the teams if we're looking at that views just to give you an example. german views of the united states are currently around positive 12 percent. so again, positive use. well, the use of nato are around positive $25.00. so there's a really significant difference there. i think when you hear europeans thinking about nato versus the us, you know, there's sentimental relationship, but the us is really complicated and it includes more things and rushes and vision of ukraine and that effort. so for example, we saw the big drops in western and the favorability towards the u. s. after the of

all the shooting and texas. uh, and even after the re weighed decision. now some of that rebounded afterwards. but i think it shows that this is a deep and broad relationship and more goes into it than just then just funding for ukraine. whereas we see nato, it's a military alliance. and so i think it's very reflective of how people are feeling about our military cooperation in general. and let's talk about the, the elephant in the room that has nothing to do with the atlantic. i'm talking about on the other side of the planet. on the side of the pacific, talking about china and now everyone talking about the risking with the relationship from china. talk to me about how germans see their role in this and how the germans perceive shiny compared to the you. i have to be honest, friends, this was a real surprise for me in the data. so we asked europeans and some of the largest economies, including germany, france, italy, spain, and the u. k. how they would feel about the risk and from china,

particularly if it imposed economic costs. in germany, was a one of the, the less willing, let's say, to take on economic costs of the risk from china. and when we also asked in the same countries who is your most important trading partner, germany was the only country that had china as number one, even ahead of the european union, and that's a recent development. so i think what might be happening here is number, why do we don't want to be here or something that we know why? i mean, is, is that because the numbers bear that out, or are we talking about perception here that is changed here in germany? that's right, this is, this is perception um, but perception is important when you're trying to justify policy. so we know the european union is far and away. germany's most important economic relationship. but we see a b average of germans having this perception that china is more important than it is. and when we ask them why they say um, the size of the market. so i think there's perhaps this perception that, you know,

german industry has taken a pretty big hit with the decoupling that has happened from russia. so maybe a slightly lower willing us to take a similar hit with china. yeah. and is the timing of, of this study um, you have spot on, especially as we're talking about the death of henry kissinger a trans atlantic is who i'm obviously is connected with the opening of china. sorry for his being with morning. consult. thanks for taking the time to talk with us. thank you. the fighting between is real and tomas in guns that has resumed and with that so to has the pressure on israel to keep civilian casualties to a minimum the same time trying to destroy a mouse, an air strike on rough and southern gaza with much of northern gauze under is rarely control. israel's focus is now turning to the south. this means fighting in an even more densely populated area than before. hundreds of thousands of

palestinians who fled the north are now here. the israel defense forces released a map showing garza divided into numbered sections. this means that people will receive evacuation notices based on the number of the section they live in and should make it easier to evacuate civilians before an area comes under attack. however, in sling they may expose themselves to attack as well which happened when palestinians fled the north. another challenge, there are many and is rarely hostages, still in gaza. many of them soldiers that how most wants to trade for its own high value prisoners in israel. many are thought to be held in the south. there are fears that indiscriminate bombing from the air code to kill hostages, as well as their captors and civilians. israel also phases international pressure,

especially from the u. s. which is israel's main ally and backer. there's political turmoil in the us over civilian casualties and gaza. and the government worries that israel has no exit plan from the war or, or more. i am now joined by hans johnson schindler. he's a former german diplomat and a middle east experts is currently a senior director at the counter. extreme is projects which is good to have you here in the studio with us and tell us more about the communication channels between israel and how much and these negotiations. nothing is official here, right? good evening. thanks for having me. no, no, there is no direct contact. so this goes why i got to have of course the scene is radio officials including high ranking intelligence officials traveling from and to door ha. but really got tie, see of the go in between between israel and thomas. and it's so who's talking to whom that got to talk. so how much the egypt power allow and nothing to will. he also talks to how much to,

how difficult is communication between israel and who was with, with all of these, the goose natures involved. i mean, do you have almost too many people with bringing in the background? well, this is the same channels. you have always been, you have in direct negotiations rights, you need to be sure that your in the media is a absolutely trustworthy. and on the got our side, i would say that is a lack of that one of whether you actually get told the truth of what the other side ones. and also you need to me to understand you make to make sure that the, that you're in the media understands what you want the other site to understand and vice versa. so it's, it's more complex. but as, as israel, how could they talk directly to home us unless it's on a very operational, very direct intelligence like what very important middle east play with a lot of influence on a moss is missing. it seems. and i'm talking about iran and why is that? what are you running really is taking, trying to take advantage of this situation,

right? you're seeing both his bypassing the noise, but it just does enough to keep his real busy. but it's a ron who could, with one would set to spell, i lose on his route because it's black is beholden to. iran is essentially preserving asked on the other hand, the who sees in yemen, also a proxy offer. uh iran is uh, also doing right. but really to that is possible to keep everyone busy. so iran is trying to position itself to get maximum benefit out of this particular situation when we talk about proxies and we have actually, we understand that there's some us, do they look to, to wrong for maybe defect the permission to do things, for example, or, or is the connection not quite that stringent. mean, if you're look at what happens on the 7th of october, it really has the handwriting off here. all right. what, how must it? until this for chrome like attack was very different, methodologically. as far as the tires backpack is concerned, it was

a smaller scale turbo tax suicide bombings, but not a consent, multi, our multi de military style tara attack that killed everyone that was inside. so that is really the classic tactics that iran has taught the militias in iraq that has taught the is belie, always operating in syria. so absolutely how must is beholden to here on not only for the supply weapons and ammunition, but also the former. and what is going on inside? gosh, i mean, mazda is not the only player i'm thinking of islamic jihad, for example, i'm, is how much does it have to make sure that all of these players are on the same page? i think there's 2 levels here, right? so if you're talking about, well, hold small hostages and how can you know the next level of the negotiations? are the chief can help with that? go, yes. then how must has competitors and ready to come up. chiefly, the policy needs. let me get you out to was a much smaller sales structure of the terrace organization,

but who has no political slate in gaza? apples any significant size. and then there are some of these quads by criminal groups. that goal is to hold hostages, but when it comes to military decision making in guys, there really is only homeless. the. the 1st deal between is realism, us, is now the history of funding is resumed, the u. s. they made it very clear that they expect israel to protect ordinary people in gaza, more than, than we've seen in the past. i mean that pressure is definitely stronger than before. how much leverage does washington have right now? what washington, i pretty sure is the only one who was actually really rich over a swell. and you've seen a few more additional attempts by israel to demonstrate that he is trying to protect civilians. the idea is really military released them up in which the entire gaza strip is divided into zones. and they will announce the number of this own,

where the attack happens. unusual for military to tell is addressed res, publicly. where are they going to attack next? the price that they're willing to pay in order to make sure that the liquor as little as possible savings going to be affected by these effects. so of course that goals, that means how my site is not going to be necessarily in these areas. so let me ask you to look at enter your crystal ball. how long do you think that the funding will continue until we have another ceasefire? another agreement in place that is really hot that that he was very clear that this was just phase one. i always that this is the confidence building phase. can you actually do a deal and operationalize a deal, our both sides have kept their word until the very end. then how most played around with a number of hostages went down. it had a t r i talked to jerusalem. now unfortunately i must have to end this because i must one's more for me as well then just the palestinians, but business final question for you who is in a stronger position. now compared to when the ceasefire started is really from us.

it's really hard to tell that i don't think the relative differences have really military shifted to a great deal. is really in a very good position to fully control the north of gauze as soon bye time us, as we have seen, the last couple of hours, is still able to his back mr. center as, as always, good to have you here in the studio. we appreciate your analysis. thank you. thank you so much. i. so the day continues online, you'll find this on the x, also known as twitter, youtube, the w news. you can probably be a for a got tv and remember, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day, have a good weekend. everyone see you again, right here on monday, the

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