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the, the, this is the w use light from the land, is way the forces around southern causes. main city is mainly military size. its troops event at the hospital on us up to some of the most intense biking and it's 4 against how much was to me. it was trying to is to, by the made the destruction to find a distribution that they've been told by israel to free to safe zones. but the south width says no way is saying because it must be continued to push for the release. that is why the hostages i had on our for our family
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0 once the is way the government to help get lots of family member helping because of back heart attack may be impossible while the fight against combust range. it's also coming up on to the cup 20 a climate conference, finalizes. it's climate change loss and damage fund. we look at what that means, but plug it back as then just over a year ago, millions of families thought still they had to will to fund now help them rebuild deadlines. the bid visible and welcome is well says its troops advantage southern causes, largest city. the military says its forces have now reached the center of hon units and have the cities around it. troops said to be engaged in some of the most intense funding, yet israel saying it's expanded the and pensive into southern gaza to eliminate
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thomas hundreds of thousands of people that being told to evacuate to humanitarians arms. but the un says no way and gaza is of the 10 cities and that will come inside and con unice many palestinians set up a camp in the city of to flee and gets really strikes and not on golf zone. but being here hasn't been safe either. and it's getting worse. it's even difficult for people to speak safely to report the populum, the and the dead of finding out outside the moves the oh god, all the out of one of the looking on and kind of stopped him. not said what have they done? why are they being killed? what crime did they commit to die?
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the steps to the market is transmitted. suite has released footage that it saves shows it's fighters pushing deeper into southern gauze on the hot off shoot me. i mean 60 days since the beginning of the law, offices of surrounding con eunice in southern casa, and i know who we are operating with professionalism. clearing the population ahead of time from the combat areas is the lack of what godson's have been told to move for the south to reform. what awaits them there is molten cities and the loan q to get drinking water. now the thing about the only d sunday nation planned and rough uh that is providing inhabitants with clean water to clear its powered by solar energy when in winter. so if that stops and we will not be able to provide people with any will to and i think that enough and then
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that's a list of my united nations sees more than 80 percent of goals population have been driven from the homes and space on the small coastal strip is running out many simply don't know where they can find refuge. bush with a highly is from aux women joins us from ramallah in the occupied westbank, your monitoring developments in gaza. what is the situation like in hon. eunice? um, so people we know that tens of thousands of people are evacuating south. we know that yesterday there was a 1000 killed and one day it's become almost a new normal and got it. i have finally and guys, i have my brother in law and my sister's in my, my, my, my parents in law and there and it did it by law and it was also very, very violent yesterday. have you been bored minutes? it has been in your constance, so there's no water,
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there's still not electricity. very, very, very little 8 supplies as these have been reduced, since the military operations have resumed, the situation is untenable. actually, it's a popular take as martin griffith. i thought it yesterday. and if we think that there's any semblance of a humanitarian response, then i think we, we would be lying to ourselves. so it's a absolutely tragic situation. really. what, what's your reaction to him when he is by the army says it's doing all that can to protect civilians as well. i'm not sure what that means anymore because any safe routes have not been safe. any safe areas. i mean the safe, the south was supposed to be safe, according to the, to these are really army and when they issue the relocation order from the north to the south. and now we're seeing the south completely. i mean, really obliterated. yesterday the day before yesterday they farms must have hospital. um, it seems like hospitals have been an absolute target and so has an hon. shelter as
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well. um, i'm not sure any more how to answer the question i have um you know, spoken very clearly about an ox funds. so that's awesome. about the distinction of proportionality when turning out moved her operations. i'm not sure that 60 to 70 percent of cause of being flattened to the ground, rendering it unlivable. high collectively punishing to put new to 1000000 people into a tiny. i'm a tiny. i mean i it's god's lot in itself is biggest east london. so the area of life has of biggest potentially a quarter of what east london. so i'm not sure collectively punishing 2200000 civilians, half of which are children cutting off water electricity, and aid from them is proportionate use use a collective punishment. israel argues, of, of course, that these people are being used as human shields. it's also arguing that it's
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tried to set up safe zones before now is meant to be in tulsa with the us to a said more off again, age groups. the like yours have said that these sites aren't a too small too difficult to get to where where do you stand on this who, who should be in charge of setting up the site doing it or not? first of all, it's not that they're just too small to get to. it still stays on this. don't have any infrastructure. so i mean how, what, what, what are we serving? how we meeting needs exactly when there's no water, no electricity, no shelter, no, nothing. there's nothing, it's empty piece of mind. how is the humanitarian community responding to basic needs? if it doesn't have access to water, electricity, or infrastructure healthcare total health care co ops. and again, we are talking about 2 over 2000002200000 civilians in gaza. previously, there's been a, i'm not seeing the right to watch,
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conduct investigations on human shields as he might have human rights organizations . and they've not yet, they've not found any actual evidence of how much using a human shields before. and if they have uh now, i mean, how much do i disagree in athens you are? that really is my question is, is how many more a garden children's let's have to die and have to be killed. 2. and this operation completely cutting off people from water and electricity and using starvation as a weapon of war is collect with punishment and is a war crime is clear and international law. so the laws clear, there's rules to war in israel has not abided by them. and not has come up either, but the, but the, you know, israel has cleared duties and obligations as an occupying power. remember, it's really been under see
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a tobacco has been under siege for 16 years. and it is the duty of the obligation of the government of israel to protectively and population and got lots of literally reading an entire health care sector, 70 percent of civilian infrastructure. and i've got the itself cropped animals bakeries as schools, mosques, churches are universities. and we're almost at 20000 kil, it's a lot more because we're talking about tens of 1000 people under the rubble and even more number and even greater amount of of of people wounded with severe amputations and severe burns. i mean i'm no, absolutely mind bolding. that's, that's true pad your brain and, and, and so, so when does it stop? when does the name is weeks and i'm just saw again, i mean, it, my question is that the distinction of proportionality is essential in natasha hall . and in the,
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in the laws of war and as much no doubt. and she looked at something that's going to be investigated. bush away, going to have to leave it that. but thank you so much for joining it. and giving us your use from ramallah there on what's going on in ga. so right now push i highlight from august, i'm thank you. will protesters have been gathering outside government buildings again this week and tell of eve demanding a permanency file and the liberation of the remaining hostages. israel says $138.00 of them is still being held in the gaza strip and it's now being over 60 days. i've just returned from tel aviv, where i interviewed a 27 year old field students who were, i have run this family is among those effect. it's really hard. killed or kidnapped? the unimaginable fates that befell 12 of she will have rooms relatives. it's been uh hello nurse for our family since
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october 7th, obviously we leave the day every day when i'm us classified a terrible organization by multiple countries attacked israel, including the keyboard sigbili. they killed her aunt to uncles. and one of the caregiver is they didn't to 9 of her family members hostage, a feeling abandoned by the use, by the government. she wrote, however, on turn to germany, but she also hold citizenship to raise awareness of her family's ordeal. and we expect germany to do it every can every channel to think. she also traveled to brussels, to ask the european parliament to help put pressure on his rail to reach a hostage deal. the fact that we are here is a desperate act to ask for more help age of sheer, his family, the women and children were released during the pause in fighting deal of the late to november. it was and we are
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a call to see the people coming back from like hell, you know was it was amazing. it was exciting. it's was moving, it was unbelievable. it was so real because it was seeing them on the screen, on television with the rest of, you know, the people of these wrote and maybe the world, you know. so it was a moment of a private moment that became very public. but to show how the father of 2 of the release children is still in gaza. i think the message in our, our goal now is to keep going. and even though a lot of people are back, there are still a lot of people that haven't go back and my family got the gift, seeing some of my family back, but the families didn't. they're still sitting and waiting and crying and shouting and fighting for their loved ones. what's it like being at the mercy of the well,
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you mentioned public opinion and having that, that pressure on me basically i come from a very complicated the for politically and me know, vision and, and we as a family, we are and these down the hard part we are people of fees obviously does an occupation of this country and it needs to end. but you know, war is not in. and so people are surprised when i'm saying they still believe in base and i wanted because of what's happened to my family, but i think it's the only solution and that my family should be the last people that are dying and murdered over this. you know, crazy politico situation and so are the people you guys have done to fight with the pain. you know, i see big families with so many names like a raised and crossed and, and it reminds me of my family because we have so many victims as well.
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allow me to waste an electronic designers is here to talk more about this i what is the government going to do to try to get these remaining hostages out because it keeps arguing it, they support the pressure on how most current funding going. but it ceased by as needed. families want this to be over. they want them back immediately, correct. and want to cease by a has always really leadership to talk to the prime minister. if doctor defense minister, they will tell you the only thing that made any police possible was the military pressure. part of how much is the feeling? well, that's what they feel. it's very hard to test these a, these claims because it's always what if scenarios, you know, and this only thing that we actually know so much of it is going behind the scenes . and especially this kind of negotiation so complicated with the americans, with the guitars, with egypt into the back and forth between the sides as well. believes that's the case. there are many people among the hostages families as well,
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had confessed that and say there might be, could be, should be, you should be working to you to bring more options to the table. you need to think more widely, more creatively and try to think of other ways other than fighting because we are very much concerned that the fighting is jeopardizing the lives of our loved ones that are in gaza. we especially know that now that we have over a 100 of the hostages release, they so about their time and capacity. and they talk about how they felt at heard the bombings of, as these really are me, how it made them rotate locations very often, very frequently, sometimes, and then doing their own lives. and the fear in a month is really hostages. families is that they have no time, it's been 60 days, and it needs to be done immediately and for them, i mean, they want their loved ones home, you know, they don't have policy questions behind them. they say do whatever it takes. so what about getting in red cross help? cuz that was the off the agenda back on again. there's a lot of anger in israel about, you know, when it comes to right cost issue,
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they've many fuel among, among the public. the, the red cars cost is not doing enough actively, in order to, to make sure that they are given permission to access the hostages. especially if it was part of the deal. i mean, when, when the 1st deal was, was agreed upon and in late november, there was a place that how much was saying is willing to consider letting redcross have access to all of the houses. there's not, there's of those over released for it's retracted, sends. israel keeps a that should have been part of the deal up. there is not very much leverage has compared to cost has they also need to tread very carefully that can be kicked out of that of the stripping of gaza at any moment. so that's not where the solution lays. it's probably not the red cost that's gonna solve the problem for you is really hostages. unfortunately, and getting us east by getting another truce. i mean, it was a huge breakthrough getting that 7 day seats for correct then, you know, again we're talking about the departments behind is really thinking and with that premise of military solution monitor pressure is the only way to improve our
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positions. and negotiations is also what's leaving them now in vegas that said, within a few days, they will find how much desperate enough to want to a to find a more compromise. however, this time we see more aid coming into is really into the cause of straight from egypt regularly. so it's might not be so easy and we see some back and forth. but we see a lot of rage among the guitars, were the main mediators. currently, it doesn't seem like there's anything concrete on the table. it's going to take a few, unfortunately, good, devastating days of fighting before we see any progress towards a new deal. unfortunately than anything that could in your view, bring another break for, or we need to see the pressure coming from the americans. mostly they are the key player here. uh they have great leverage with, with the guitars which in turn have leverage with mazda. of course they have unbelievable leverage with these rarely since the best the we love the support a lot of support most of military,
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but not solely for now we see button tread very carefully, but we'd know that as we speak. now there are, there are people from actually the vice president of color harris that are in these rail that will also be meeting with the boss in the palestinian authority. trying to put more pressure into israel to think of the end game. what's happening and gaza on the long term and trying to push for better solutions. i think that's where the key lies. you know, i'm on, you know, in american hands. now. chinese, thank you very much for kind of get and you're welcome, putting it all into contacts. a very complicated story. i'll tell you that well, russia's war on ukraine is, and it's the 22nd months and is showing no signs of lighting up. the front line is barely moved in months and stretches across south and east and you crate. you keeps hopes of an efficient counter offensive at the dash wave troops making games throughout your life. people that speak to frankly,
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which military affairs analyst seeing elect right and strategic studies at portsmouth university. and for me you can military intelligence office that keeps counter offensive. what went wrong and what needs to change this time? well, good morning. thank plan side. so very useful perspective, but it isn't particularly helpful perhaps here there's plenty of, uh, attribution of blame and what they've 70 was abouts. they tend to revolve around 2 things. first, the timing of the beginning of the account offensive. so what some commentate to say is the key. i was waiting for a weapon systems that delayed it was trying to get to a situation where, where they were looking at the most i can take, i know this resulted in delay. the other side of the offensive itself is not sufficiently focused. the 3 main axes remained directions of assault and they
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should have been one other say that experience brigade should have been used instead of trained was look, it's probably a combination of all of those. i got, well no, i think it was a very great deal of wish casting and happy talk from west and commentators in west and politicians about this which put a great deal of pressure on the ukrainians. the way this should have been done, i think, was an acceptance of this. only could it be with the russian defenses. this could only been a bytes and hold type of counter offensive rather than some sweeping, excessive games as we saw last year. but look, it's done now, and let's look forward. well, frank, looking forward. what about the new weapons deliveries? are they going to make some sort of difference as i'm extremely skeptical about go away. nose game changes. we've had dozens of these ranging for the job related come on to talk, massage to high miles. patriot marseilles attack comes
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a long range. missiles proves miss styles, plus the bombs more. i munition es, especially a 16 jets which are big and continued to be trumpeted as game changes. there's no such thing. ukrainians have done a fantastic job in calais to all the equipment they've got and they will continue to do so. but it was a christian such as this, such as been a post on ukraine. the key element really was 2 key items. first is sustaining the supply of equipment. most of all, i mean issues and that includes things like post posts and drums, which it becomes extremely important. increasing the supply by like tronic count to mattress above whole and in that context, i mean it should helping the ukrainians to or rather not pressurizing them. so they have time to reform and above all build that stuff, work. okay. these are the important stuff is planning. these are the important issues, not game changing weapons, but frank,
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um analysts say the russians have done a fantastic job of taking it. how will the ukrainians get through those russian defensive? but i think we have to be realistic on how to get through those defensive lines. and also in the near future, they were given the russians many months to prepare or got many months to bad, to prepare them extremely well. it's one of the under this put it. i think quite likely the rest is light slowly, but when they lot daylight, it's scaling history, selves this stuff. and it's sort of a 10 lines, which is what you're talking about. these fixed lines are extremely strong without the kind of thing that you painted. never going to have overwhelming app how they'll never have gotten up to the next 5 years. so i think overwhelming all tillery and a 3 to one, at least majority, in terms of soldiers, which have never had either. they're not going to break. so the best of the products can hopeful, i think, going forward this year is to hold what they've got. and i think that would be a really, really significant treatment. if they do that, what they have to prevent the russians, in fact,
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breaking out those lines behind you, crated lines perhaps in the spring or something i expect that won't happen, but that's what the price of worried about. i'm like you so hm. okay, well, both sides of had a lot of practice up to 22 months. military analysts, frank language, thank you very much for your time. thank you. so let's go over now to me and he says he's in. keith special corresponded down the and good to see you . give us a sense of the situation on the front lines right now. as well as we've heard, it's just not moving. we've had a over a year of bloody warfare, and uh, only 1500 square kilometers. have changed hands, it doesn't mean ukraine has gained that much means russia has gain some ukraine as gain some 1500 square kilometers. might sound like a lot. but to give you a sense of how small that is spot the size of los angeles, the city of los angeles,
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so thousands of lives have been lost with not that much to show for it. we've heard that russia is pursuing and advanced you're of div kyle, which is very near boston, moved by mood as you remember last winter. the battle for buckman started there and they're still fighting going on in that area. so that gives you a sense of how close the current frontline is to where it was last year in the south ukrainians are trying to make a push in here. so on the new pro river is the dividing line between ukrainian lines and russian lines. and they're trying to advance across the river there. and soldiers have reported it as a living. hell, they've told reporters, but it's, it's a lot like the day where they're basically crossing a body of water that they need for a river, a very wide river in boats and being shot like sitting ducks. they had hoped that they could push russians back and make them retreat before they across the river. but that's not the way it looks right now. just really crossing and getting killed
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in large numbers and they've described it as a living hell. so let me on radians, are aware that the front line is just a terrible place to be right now. what about funding for you kind of the political situations, a lot of as a landscape by some pressure at home, the west is saying funding. so you probably could find out soon. so well the funding from ukraine will for ukraine from the us will never run out to us, can fund ukraine. and definitely it's the political will that's running out. we've seen since the october 7th almost terrorist attacks, and the retaliation from is real focus has largely shifted away. you know, republicans in the us, the right wing has historically been pro, is real and has been shaky on support for ukraine. so what you're seeing now is a lot of doubt being thrown at the support that's going to ukraine. and this resonates here. people know that that's happening. this hasn't actually affected the weapons shipments to ukraine so far. it hasn't affected the situation on the ground, but a lot of people have talked to here and to say that it's just
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a matter of time before that happens. special correspondent on the and east of in keith. thank you very much for the analysis and for bringing this up to date. and thank you for watching the w use. a reminder of our top story. this now of israel says its troops advantage southern guns as largest city. the military says it's talking come us, which is classified as a terrorist, was by any countries, hospitals inside the southern city of hunt, units of being overwhelmed by the number of date s t just the looks good. you can always get the w davis on the go, this download our app from play or from the app store. he'll give you access to all the latest use from around the world as well as any occasions, but breaking the updates on dw made in germany. look at an unlikely source for sustainable fuel. i've been presented.
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