to these places in europe smashing the rank one step into a bold adventure. it's the treasure map for modern flow to discover some of us wrinkled, bragging sites on youtube. and also in the 2 months into the guise of war. america is still insisting, as well as killing too many palestinians for the administration is also on the pressure itself. this time from an unprecedented number of its own officials, the members of the democratic party, protesting against this device and support for the war. aaron, david miller was a former senior official of the state department. he says the timing is good for the president. if this were playing out in october of 2024. i think it would have a, a very significant impact on what promises to be

a very close election. miller is now, is the economy endowment for international peace with funds you have experience negotiating with israel and the palestinians? what does he think of as ro, tactics and bottle, and what kind of country might too much from this company? david miller, welcome to complex on attendance, pleasure to be here. thanks for having me. israel risks strategic defeat if it goes on killing civilians at the current rate and gaza. this last week from the us defense secretary lloyd austin was this is close to a public rep for him on those. washington will go or is the administration just, but you signaling for public consumption having the ministration, frankly, the rhetoric increasing, rhetoric, impatience, restoration with the humanitarian catastrophe and gaza. and the rising number exponentially a 1000 in this i think, reflects,

is defined by the divide mysteries and one hand, the administration of, from the get go is tethered is a itself, israel's orange, which are very ambitious, ratification of a mouse as military and infrastructure above. and below, around the reading of officers and the killing of at least 2 of the 2 top leaders. uh yeah. history warren, on a day full plan, the october 7, 7 terrace surge. but to take the same time, they're under enormous pressure internally and externally, i think they have signal. do these rallies privately on this issue. an issue of time, a lot. these rallies want months. you ministration. i'm told privately has to do these really. you have weeks. they are not prepared yet, i think to say that publicly, no american president and i've worked for half a dozen ministration republicans and democrats wants to fight with it is really prime minister chalkboard is massey. it can be politically costly. and frankly,

based on my experience with some exceptions and there it can be counter counter productive. so based on who joe biden is, and the butchery of october 7, i think it's going to take some effort still to move him to the point where these i would term them. i don't think virtually signaling is the right word. i think they're cautionary advisories. they may even be warning. what the real question is, a warning without a cost or consequence is just that. it's a warning and they keep warning, go back, they keep warning, but has it, has israel stop listening to the us? stop listening. i think it's this is my analytical view. it's certainly not pretty, and it's not comforting in terms of the exponential rise in palestinian destin shepherd. it is magical. think magical. think to believe that in area twice the size of the district of columbia with 2300000 people,

2 thirds of home have been been displaced at least once, maybe twice when the population density of anywhere from 18221000 humans per square mile that you can achieve israel's military objectives, particularly how much is embedding in an around under, on top of civilian facilities and populations. and you can achieve those objectives without doing catastrophic car. and that is, and that is priced in now, is it best catastrophic. com as far as israel is concerned, they're gonna keep pushing back against these warnings. i think that these rallies are made a judgment, that in the week of october 7 in the hostages, which is a, an issue with a dynamic that keeps on driving the anger. the

resentment to frustration on the part of the mattress is government, which is the most right wing extremist in the history of the state of israel. a lot of the top part of the local a part of is really is generally there's tremendous support for these words. october 7 was the degree of, of watching the israeli palestinian conflict through 2 into fighters through 4 or 5 is really how mosque are durations? several is really lebanese wars were, palestinians were involved this, that level of violence exceeds anything that we've ever witnessed in terms of it's indiscriminate killing. it said as an ex tally and, and i think this is important and not fully appreciate the, i'm just reporting here. so please don't shoot me the contract between the government then and those who govern was fundamentally rooted on october ship. the contract and most israelis make with their government is very

simple. were prepared to agree to mandatory military were prepared to put our sons and daughters in harms way with the real possibility that they can be seriously injured or killed. but an exchange you the government guarantee to be extended humanly possible. our security and our normal c, which it failed to do, which it has collectively failed to do. and i think that dynamic influence is, i know these really don't like the notion of the term vengeance intervention. but i cannot believe if you are a member of these really intelligence establishment. i'm interviewing next week, both former head of should bed and the former head of most john, if you are a member of the intelligence community or these really military,

this sense of guilt for what you failed to anticipate and operationally, what you failed, how you failed to respond for as many as 12 hours. once the tear search began. i can cannot help but effect influence and drive the determination of these relays . if you asked me, are they prioritizing the lives or the rooms soldiers over the lives of palestinian civilians in gaza? the last, almost 2 months now, i think tomorrow is the 2nd month, beginning of 2nd month of this conflict. the answers, of course, they are, like most military and i, i, i mean, i, i pressed military american military experts. folks who actually been involved, david portray, is in lieu john mosul. nobody has come up with an answer to the problem with how you do what these really want to do without endangering the population. the

answer is, i guess these really should not be doing what they're doing. then then you end up with a. i don't even know how to a conundrum. i don't know how these really operate wherever stream searchable backlash and there is considerable backlash among political appointees last month, 500 political point. these are the vitamin administration representing around 40 government agencies wrote to the president to protest at his support for israel in the war. i wanted to ask you how rare it is, but so many people were moved to object on a key foreign policy issue. yes, press enter, my i will say i worked at the pharmacy for 25 years for half a dozen in ministrations, republicans and democrats. i was not in government during the vietnam, but i must say, i have never ever seen a degree of internal turmoil member. we don't have many resignation,

so we're not talking about us nami, of protests that we do, resignations, another matter for civil servants, certainly a political appointee to consider resigning or principle that takes a lot of courage to do what i've seen there. but we are seeing it on the staff level congress, the white house department of state usa, i. d. not to mention the public pressure on their progressive democrats or bringing human mainstream democrats or bringing if this, if this were playing out. in october of 2024. i think it would have a very, a significant impact on what promises to be a very close election and it might still have that impact. i mean, we are, we are only a year away from the presidential election. right. oh, you know, i have to remind myself, sometimes in american politics that here is still an attorney,

the any number of other issues are going to be higher on the minds of republican and democratic motors and independence like the economy, for example, well, the economy. so i'm not prepared to make a determination. i just don't think we know and that's, that's a good conclusion. i think that people will follow american politics on the granular level. i do not. oh, would probably tell you was well, that we just, we just don't know, but if you freeze framed it right now, i can't imagine young american motors, air of americans, michigan, critically important state dearborn, the anger, the frustration is and it's not just directed against these roadways i mean, it all that up and more morse into involves too much darker sort of dimensions. why can't i send that to them? it's also angry at the administration. and this, this is what's moving. i think at least the public mood. i need those operation

with the whatever the administration has or hasn't done to come concerns in its own ranks about it's israel policy, there appears to be a huge gulf in the us and is really visions of the future. just a few days ago we had cobbler harris, the vice president directly addressing israel's talk of creating a security buffer zone between guys in israel. the us would not permit, she said, not permit the redrawing of the borders of gaza. is that just more tough talk or is there is now looking like an immovable red line for washington as well? you know, the administration has been clear in the numerator and for what i call the 4 or 5 know is related to post construct guys. guys will not be used as a platform to launch chair that we know force relocation of the population that we know reduction in territory. garza in the west bank constitute

a storage unit. and i'm presumptive notion that, that a 2 state solution, which is the administration's view of how this should all land um, is still very current. i think there's a merging between the ministrations notion of there should be no reduction of territory. and israel's intention, we don't know, you know, not even pip york or delphi reading the best of coating trails. could tell you, tell me right now how this is going to and the one thing is unmistakably clear to me. they'll be home mission accomplished sort of speech on the part of these early defense forces, and then they're leaving guys with no transitional mechanism to guarantee a mazda is resurgence pertaining resurgence. there will be as longest residual as long as they know mazda elements. i suspect they will continue to operate and pose how fundamental problem i can't say. but these riddles are not simply going to pull

out what they're going to do is, is to create and they will try to insure the ministration that this is simply a function of a transitional issue until some sort of mechanism can be worked out and maintain whatever it is, whenever you're, you know, you're magical thinking of it does, your is an error to try and force hardly likely an international force is a possibility. us is that already set is that contributing its own forces with britain and france contribute forces. so when come carmella harris says we want to see a unified west bank and gaza on the palestinian authority and palestinian voices and aspirations must be at the centre of this what it's not going to happen. visit in the at least as far as israel is concerned. let's be clear. we haven't even talked about the impact of this on, on is really politics. the average length of it is really government since independence is 1.8 years this december, mr. newton. yeah,

i was government most stream right wing supremacy is top homophobic government in the history, the state of israel richards one year or more. i don't want like making predictions . i don't think there is a mechanism right now to remove benjamin. nothing. you know, his own party does not have a history of devouring its own and inter marvin over here and this allows mode fridge that you have the stream is ministers. see god frankly, as a positive distraction for them to carry out their jewelry, carry out their policy. just try and do an extra westbank and every, every with name only you cannot create a stable situation. god long link it to the pursuit of a of a, a meaningful negotiations. and 2 state solution with this is really not a full stop. there has to be a political reckoning. there will be in $73.00 after until october 6, 7 was the greatest intelligence failure in the history of the states. there was

a state commission of inquiry if general report was fired, filed maybe 8 months after the war. it did not identify the my here government or my here in particular or as having responsibility. but she was forced to reside under in under prep hold. but it, it, it undermined greg's credulity to the breaking point to believe or that a year from now benjamin at. anyhow, we'll still be heading this particular government but there is in that critical year. this is why it's so important between now and november of 2024. this is the period where the administration needs to have a policy toward what to do in gaza and how to link it. how that tethered to the pursuit of a political rise and serious political arise based on 2 states. i know people said that 2 states solutions gone the way of the dodo. i do not believe that this crisis has demonstrated 1. 1 thing was terrified clarity to me, and that is,

there is absolutely no way is realism, palestinians are going live happily ever after, in one house, either in one state solution or a by natural state. it makes no sense. they are going to have to separate through negotiations. that's the key into something that approximates to states with border security, jerusalem, refugees, end of conflict that all claims on the table negotiated seriously. i would, i would argue if us, per be a good, honest broker, effective mediator. it's not saying it's not seen as an honest broker in the public among palestinians as well. is it a meanwhile, israel continues ignoring demands from the white house. isn't the america going to start looking pretty? we come in to national stage when it comes to this real, the gap between our words in our deeds have always been more or less grand canyon.

i mean, they haven't been time. you're familiar with 1956 as a mine eisenhower threatened sanctions is realizing that withdraw from china. they did ronald reagan, delayed delivery invest exchange over his roles, the extension of administrative law. i'm going to go on the tools. there are tools that washington can use basis, my own view isn't what they must do. you set a frame, a public referential frame that puts the united states clearly unequivocally and publicly on the record, as saying exactly what it believes needs to evolve. i don't think this is going to be a, was talking the week of the terror search on october 7 could easily be interpreted as their new shoes of distinction, proportionality, which is the 2 key legal concepts of international humanitarian law. i think

there's no doubt you'd have to be detached from reality driving or a conclusion that these is really rules of engagement have expand? how could, how could they not, even if you don't believe how much is power stain, ministry of health stat. and by the way, i learn for the 1st time today that those, those figures include not just civilians, but come back. you're no distinction made between the 2. but even if you believe those are inflated significantly, that's that 15000 including 5000 almost fighters. it does really claim they've killed. you're talking about an export that an exponential rise in bellas. janine das, which is extraordinary. do you think the binding to ministration is afraid of criticizing israel? remember what happened to jimmy carter? he was pilloried. most of the 3 when he talked about the criticism of the condition

and they occupied territories, wasn't he never? jimmy carter was a and a nurse respect for courier in terms there would have been no egyptian german peach tree without jimmy carter. but your mind is not jimmy car. joe, mine is alone among american present. a guy who is preacher naturally has run throughout most of his career. all those career starts and original. he considers himself literally part and parcel of these really scared a story and he's dealt with every label. every is what is really little projecting . now. nobody has 2nd to not, in terms of his support for his question is can that support be used to have not just to have the uncomfortable conversations, but at some point to basically say to benjamin isn't yeah. what else? because it's harming america's reputation as well. by standing close to an ally that is doing the things that nothing yahoo is doing. i think that's certainly the,

the key consideration on the part of part of these rivers, whether or not is this administration has reached the conclusion that my proposition, that it's magical thinking to believe that is real kind of jewish, subjective without a rekeying, tremendous harm on the coast, any population, whether that be that's no big deal. i don't know. i do, i do think this, however, there will be no hostage releases without drove by. it would be no humanitarian aid into gosh, without job i, there's no question about that. and there isn't that much any way, is there? well, we need more. and over the last 48 hours, again, my understanding administration under enormous pressure from the administration has agreed even as they are operational tempo, picks up in the south to increase in the amount of humanitarian assistance, but no amount of a man of daring assistance. uh that is being allowed and could even begin to deal

with the humanitarian catastrophe that's occurring in winter's coming. and i just, i mean i, i don't know how to reconcile these 2 things to you. i mean, i, i really don't, i don't know if i mean, if i were part of this administration, i'm not sure what i would advise and whether or not that advice would be taken seriously because i do not do not see. and i think this is part of the problem why the administration lacks leverage. it cannot offer to these riddles a compelling alternative to how to accomplish engineering to which and, and drop by. there's a doors, those words that october 10th speech which set the stage swift, comprehensive, and decisive. think those were the 3 words at the present use to say that's how america would approach this problem. if what happened to israel october 7

had happened to the united states. swift, comprehensive, and decisive. i don't, i don't have an answer for which i readily admitted. maybe i'm not smart enough, i just don't see how you do this. that means that at some point, administration may say no, i don't know how long it was. you would take these railways to accomplish their objectives, or if in fact they can accomplish them at all. what kind of israel do you think is gonna emerge from this war? we're seeing continued violent spite settlers against palestinians in the west bank . no move to whole that despite biden's warning that it must stop, there are also reports of arrests, job losses and interrogations. for those who descend from the war, what kind of country? very briefly, do you think israel is becoming, you know, well, becoming, uh, did you additional overall, the only good news about this for

a horse is the fact that you just a little draw is get that benjamin the now and is extreme, is ministers efforts to rearrange the political furniture and israel and to basically make majority rule with no projection of minorities. the, the order of the day is fair. and those 41 weeks have convinced me. i do not know another country. certainly would not have been here. spite our democratic system for 40 plus weeks, hundreds of thousands of israelis are in the streets pushing for the kind of israel that they want. a human is liberal democratic israel. admittedly, the occupation figures prominently and presents all kinds of contradiction to that image. but i think the majority of people in that, in that small country, the 10, almost 10000000 people to 1000000 college janine citizens of israel. i want that

kind of vision for their country. and i am persuaded that these crisis, even though many military crises have led to a even a further right wing drift. i think you're going to get out of this. eventually, it is not going to be a less left of center government and it will be a right a right is government. will it be center, right? will it be responsible? will it be willing to face the reality that there could be no real security without a diplomatic political solution to these really palestinian conflict in any of these really occupation? i would like to think that is the case of david miller. we could go on for much longer, but we've run out of time. thank you so much for being on the program. good to see you ever, tim, you too. take care. thank you. by the

or the

to the points. strong opinions. clear position. international perspective. newly 22 months after invading ukraine, vladimir putin dispatching ever more soldiers and weapons to the battlefield. ukrainian forces and citizens are bracing for another tough winter. are questions today. we'll put you in get to the point in 30 minutes on the w 9,

but we'll tell you we are happy that we are boxing the story. we have a, getting a visa is more difficult than finding gold hosted to use the sales force and the for the future in the stories and issues that are being discussed across the con. use africa in 90 minutes on d. w, the to tween and, and probably of crime movies that you can have to ask those one queen because one point a made up here and we want to be the number one, pick the car, and then she disappears without the trace on the top 10 list of cartel leaders,

find them shows thriller about the world's most one sort of woman. crypto queen starts to assemble associates on dw, the taste of us. we have a problem that was in the us middle class income has barely risen in the last 20 to 30 years. 6, perhaps the best, so it has the same time that keeps rising. everything has to be subordinate to paying the 300 trillion the debt trap. december 9th, on the w. the

this is the w use life from the end. protecting civilians must be a priority. that's the message from the united states, secretary of state, the waste says israel has the right to defend itself and cause that that's, that comes with conditions. meanwhile, as well as military campaign, intensifies in the samples of the kansas trip is facing face resistance from homeless militants. gunfire tillery, and as the price of the 2 even bowl palestinian casualties. and we'll take you to the united nations climate conference you too bye.