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and i, when i tell me that they don't have violence, do this, and we go say colson tissue, today's because then they go to that who set up to, you know, medical people watch stuff with car bama, tenants all the way. so not to go up to almost 2 weeks evaluating over whether it's a phase down or phase out fossil fuels. in the end, delegates of the dubai climate talks decided to transition away. well, as you can imagine, many cop 20, i think today's bill doesn't go far enough, but still it is a deal. some say a historic bill for the 1st time the world has agreed to and the oil age. eventually i'm feel go in balance, and this is the day the
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to get them. we have confronted the entities and we have set the work in that i tell you that extra, for the very 1st time in a calm fossil fuels have been on the table. this is a balance that's got goes emissions on 28th of elizabeth syria drive. it is a plot that is led by the science pop a few words make a honda of difference also coming up and keeping the cash flowing to ukraine, kind of allow them is that landscape still count on gold will on weapons from georgia and the united states the food is banking on the united states. failing to deliver for ukraine. we must, we must,
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we must prove him wrong. welcome to the day we begin with the dramatic conclusion of the un climate pulse into by talks of 24 hours ago appear to be heading for failure comp. 28th is it's called, was forced into over time. i'm not to be in trouble, but the divisions on the future of fossil fuels, delegates rejected the 1st draft of the text, but after intensive negotiations, under reworking the 2nd draft was unanimously approved hitting no objection. it is so decided that for you have the land of dealing with life against global warming, with nearly 200 countries. signing up to the declaration be agreement nearly came on stuff because of the wording on fossil fuels more than
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a 100 countries wanted. i'm officious language calling for a desperate phase out of coal, oil and gas. after meeting resistance, mainly from oil producing nations. i trash dr. compromise the final deal costs for a transitioning away from fossil fuels in energy systems and adjust orderly and equitable manner. accelerating action in this critical decade, so as to achieve net 0 by 2050. some say the deal knocks the beginning of the end for fossil fuels. given the makeup of this one over $95.00 nation entity, it is pretty clear that it was more than a state crime. and you know, we hardly expected certain countries jobs. they all yeah, we're just going to turn around and do that immediately. but they did sign on and they are transitioning confidence, busy, just climate conference, the fact the seals, the end of the fossil age, which i understand you the,
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every part of the text is as clear and binding as the europeans had hopeful. but in the, in the climate conferences, you need a unanimous decision. despite my confidence some items guide. what a jo results are from the multiple pads to obtain the goal of limiting warming to $1.00 degree celsius to do so in a manner consistent with the priorities and circumstances of each nation to achieve sustainable development. so a lot of box laughing about national data goods about the reaction has an old and positive the alliance of small island states where the risk for rising sea levels saves a dale full short on this full of new pulse. and some, actually the scripts and engineers accused the segments of caving into the oil and gas lobby is a representative from a you've got a gauge. we tried to warm the world, the conflict of interest, the precise over this cup and the bustle, fuel lobby,
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seen this house. the stakes smells like oil and like gas. the outcomes of this cup are proof that you are sell outs. you are sell outs to corporate interest. shame because the shipper is a professor of development, joe befit the university of bomb. she spent the decades research in climate change and the social impact on the world. a welcome to a d w professor. and what do you make of this wording transitioning away from fossil fuels rather than by using the mouse? so i think we have to start with the fact that fossil fuels is in there, which is not something that we've seen before. it's about the toughest with a breakthrough, but of course, transitioning way suggests that it can be done in many different ways. it can be done in a very long time, and it doesn't necessarily mean that we're ending the use of fossil fuels. and so therefore, and the some phasing out there's an end and,
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and sites there. so there's, there is a big difference certainly. and i think i will decide to president for, you know, to the extent to which a countries and companies will take this seriously. i had um, so i'm from tongue. uh oh, you said a saying, but this is full of loopholes and it does nothing for what it is that if activity in an ex, essential prices of countries in the pacific and it's a balance to be struck, is may i because we have 70 percent. so the remaining of fossil fuels in the global south, much of which hasn't been used and transitioning away, allows them to continue to use it and develop economically even though it is to the detriment of the planets. yeah, precisely. you there were a few days ago, there was a press conference for the african group, or they also made the same kind of comments that in fact, from their perspective, if they don't have the opportunities to use fossil fuels. and that is, i think they said something like that, you know, the end of their breath and they, they can no longer breathe,
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they need that for that development. and so we do have to keep out of mind. there are many different at the many different levels of development, and there are many different needs here. but the emphasis is, of course, ideally on the countries and that the company for the, the most fossil fuels are being used. and, but it's hard to make the distinction between those 2 kinds of situations. so what does base deal and do for companies like uh, tongue, countries like them all these other say shells by whom this crisis is existential. that's right. okay. so i think that's like the comment from tundra was that also the wording that action we have kind of the content in there may be, but that that words that refers to the action is weak and, and very vague. and so we have, i would say the, the wins here were the successes were already very early on in the conference where the lawson damage fund has agreed. and countries have put money in. it's including
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germany, united arab emirates. but it's a drop in the bucket. and i think there was an increasing disappointment as a conference continued, that there weren't more large offers of money being put into this. and these weren't forthcoming. and i think we do have a framework on the global going out of taishan that is supposed to measure where the progress was being made on another patient. but here again, the financing is missing. this is the key thing. so i think put this on for countries i tongue gone for many of these, these countries. absolutely. where is the money? that is what they the big thing and that's been the question for, for years now. but on the other hand, we also have to keep in mind that money isn't going to do everything because there are limits to how much adaptation can do. and we know through the science that after 1.5 degrees of average warming, there's certain places where allocation will no longer work. certain kinds of adaptations will no longer work. so we also need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
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. so, you know, it's, it's, you can pour a lot of money into adaptation and, and loss and damage. but they know they're really going to make up for the fact that we still need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. right? so frankly speaking, if it's too late for countries like tonka, the movies, and those of indian ocean countries, essentially nothing can be done quick enough to say yeah, i think the key issue is really this time of the timeframe, the window of opportunity to actually take action in the internet, mental panel climate change phrase this around, but the window of opportunity is rapidly closing. if he wants to secure a livable and sustainable future for all. and those 2 words are the ones that i keep repeating because this isn't, you know, if we keep dragging out or, or dragging our feet and dragging out the time than that for all means that we, we, we lose people. and we, it's a deliberate choice as well when we, when we don't take the action that we need to take. so i wouldn't want to say that
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it's too late. yes. because we have to keep fighting. there isn't any, any, you know, but there's, it's, it might be, for example, too late to stay under $1.00, but there's $1.00 after that, or even $1.00, you know, so we need to keep finding to, to try to keep that warming to the minimum possible. so um, i wouldn't want to suggest that, you know, just because we're feeling like we're failing here that we get off. absolutely not . we'll have to keep fighting, to make sure that, that, you know, to have some kind of climate resilient development for people in the future. yeah, you mentioned that you and your 1st on so that you were glad that the, the actual a phrase fossil fuels was that was that to be that in the declaration much has been made of holding these that climate tulips and an oil producing countries in an oil producing region, i'm the big oil sabotaged the steel or i think to somebody side with my thought know that until later. but of course, opec has always played a very a big role and always played
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a big the big hurdle in all of the negotiations of the early negotiations where we started to talk later about the adverse effects of climate change impacts many years ago. we're also kind of tied together with a discussion around the impacts of response measures that is the adverse impact, particularly on countries. opec countries, when we start reducing our fossil fuel use. so those that sort of always nice to somehow intertwine these things to prevent that, that really effective deal from, from being in place. so i don't think that does anybody is surprised? i'm not sure if we can at this point yet, say that the fact that the president's was from an oil producing country that that was a big problem. but certainly opec was very nervous about about to do and probably had huge influence. awesome. thank you for that. good. talking to professor lisa shipple from the university of ball. thank you so much for team is
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who attend remains determined to bring ukraine to its knees militarily. and he is assessing that international support for ukraine with wayne. so that will, cutting enough, lest they should bed, i will advocate sustainable, reliable financial support for ukraine in the coming years because it's about the security of europe. oh, well that was if you have a chance to show. so once again, placing support for ukraine and key of needs, that reassurance as the west and money in west of weapons start running low budget crisis. in germany, it's complicated, it's commitment to funding you trying to fight against russia faced ass and other borrowers of russian miss. i was talking to be craig and capital today. unfortunately wounding dozens of people to him and made and defend systems are increasingly vital to protecting ukrainian cities. and the german chancellor is adamant that weapons deliveries will continue as we had
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a chance to show. so sometimes to push for sustainable long term support for you, cried out of somebody to if you need is in brussels next week. the current president for the 9th grade he's expected to attend those top sassy prices, west and allies for more military assistance. tuesday on tuesday, he was in washington having to unblock $61000000000.00 in funding, being held up in congress both. but he and us president a job, i'm more than we can think of international will without any benefit. russia is very important that by the end of this year, we get sand where a strong signal of our unity to the dresser and the unity of ukraine. america. you are the entire free world. without supplemental funding, we're rapidly coming to an end of our ability to help you create and respond to the urgent operational demands that it has. pollutant is banking on the united states failing to deliver or ukraine. we must, we must,
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we must prove him wrong. so that's gotta go through this time with that and the middle on who's on military, almost a king's college, and onto the welcome back to date w. i miranda, how desperately does new cry needs extra funding and support from its allies right now. good evening, phil. i think and at this moment ukraine needs it more than ever because so ukrainian military is running out for delivery shells and i'm referring to 155 millimeter artillery shells. it also needs heavier equipment such as tang, it needs air color, obviously. so the last 6 feelings, at least um, it needs one more missiles, it needs more air defenses. and now we're seeing after the counter offensive after the free you encounter offensive, which didn't ppo the expected results. so russians are continue as offensive. busy
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operations around the, the guy around kansas, so ukraine needs to police to be able to hold to russian progress on the battle of the old. and so western a, the us aid and the 8 from europe is critical at the moment. right? do we need to tease out some of those reasons? i appreciate you talked about uh your kind being in need of shelves and times. lots of those have already been probably savvy about that seems to be less a money issue than a supply issue. but in europe comp seem to manufacture them quickly enough to does that is absolutely correct. because right now, um this is the european countries have understood what the exigencies are for in ukraine are. and this, the, this rest was the defense manufacturer. it's because the global supply chain is very goal of kyle right now, and in order to manufacture tanks. so we have to get materials. we'll have to get
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the steel will have to get aluminum, would have to get the lithium and shell. remember, is that russia is a huge supplier of steel. so those components, those role materials arise in price making them more expensive to procure, taking longer a time to arrive. therefore, in order to manufacture those things that ukraine needs and it will take time. and therefore, this is the time that you bring thousands of half and they're in lies the problem. and so how big a problem is that time ukraine hold it's uh, current positions. we've asked a change in the supply lives. it will literally defend it's very difficult to predict the future and what might happen on the battlefield in military terms. and of course, the politics will also influence that, however, it doesn't look very promising for ukraine, especially as, as i said, as the russians are deploying again,
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the wagner troops are all moved to they are trying to push and to get ahold of, of the, of what was living in regard to russian casualties and that is a problem because the brain also has a mobilization potential issue as well. so manpower is also scars in ukraine and how long it's canceled on without any provisions or was looking provisions remains to be seen. but in the future is not very promising. so a closer look at those figures. maybe we had today from us intelligence that the who were claiming 315000 russians. i've been killed and wounded since the stats of this invasion 22 months ago. which sounds like a very high human cost to those figures sound about right to well, i was very surprised about this release because we have to understand why is it being released now and who is a target the audience of these figures. what i'm trying to say is the losses on the
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russian side has been colossal. however, there were other estimates also on coming from the us from may 23 which were estimating 50000. these estimates go incited with some other estimates made by the likes of media as own and therefore, i cannot imagine how since then the number would have grown to 300000. because we're talking about 67 months. and during these months, the russians have not conducted any serious, large scale offensive operations. so it seems like the estimate is over stated, right? so we presume ass with that's an overstatement then because my, my next question is why is russia losing so many truth, but it sounds like, well, you caught me the answer that because with the, the actual numbers also funky yes, absolutely. i think um,
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the release of that statement is somehow to demoralize the russians, maybe those who will be reading this because i think it again this, this figure is more accurate and we would need to compete with the compare figures from different sources to, to get more or less accurate estimate. that's being said, what this report has to add that it's almost the, the military strength that the russians have pre invasion, indicating something about the rushes, future military capability. and the, i just wanted to caution that those figures um the quantitative data is not the only the determining factor for russia's military capability. so we have to be careful, one entered into, interpret things, those numbers. yes, i. so how do you interpret those numbers and looking forward with, with severe losses. all right, we can, we can be completely accurate about them. but the implication from this intelligence was that the bottom nice ation of russia's military has been set back
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. something like of 15 years, um what, what do you think as well, i think these are just 2 factors and i think we cannot really predict rushes military capabilities based on those 2 estimates. we still have to remember that even conservative estimates say that's russia can produce up to $500.00 thanks of various types a year, which is more than the grass can produce currently. so even taking in, in, in, in numbers roster retain still a huge capability. the problem as long tangible factors such as leadership, morales, command and control logistics, corruption and russia has all those problems. and so in order to be able to predict how russia will behave militarily, we need the experts from different disciplines. combining all those findings in order to get an idea and even them, it depends also in which scenario who will be the enemy?
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i were talking about the russians, possibly in in the high north and the arctic. i was talking about them in ukraine. are we talking about them and syria? so i think we have to be very careful when looking at those numbers and as always, conclusions and estimates because context matters. and of course, the policy matters and the strategy and how russia will use its military power to achieve whatever political object that it will have on this toes and clear as best . i thank you so much for welcome, mr. that's a marina, a minimum from kings, county or something. thank you for having me of us as almost half of gauze this population and i'm has not moved to the city of rafa in the south. it's one of the people that are facing bombardments, deprivation and disease in an ever more confined space. just by growing closer to cease 5, israel says they will push on the bits offensive games time us, which is why be considered as
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a terrorist organization of the winter's bearing down on rough off the city at the farthest edge of southern gaza. bordering egypt. with the border closed, it's the farthest people can flee. the destination for display, scoggins, hoping to escape bombardment. shelters are overcrowded. almost half of guys this population is now in rafa, which is the small part of guys in the southeast corner. again, this is leading to nothing but a health crisis. rainfall mixing already dire situation worse. many make sure if tens can't hold up for long against the wind and rain water. a yes, i mean it displays posted in mother says she lacks access to basic necessities and the my laptop to my 7 month old child who was soaking wet and our house has been
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destroyed. my other child was murdered. i don't have any blankets or mattresses. i took some for my sister. we just have one blanket between 5 of us. there is no covers, no mattresses, no food, no water. life is difficult with myself, say about humanitarian relief is barely reaching ordinary people like yes mean, despite their proximity to the only crossing that allows a into the gaza strip. israel's military, which is also carrying out strikes on targets and rough uh, gleams from us for the lack of access. unfortunately, it's not, these really started with the preventing it, but rather what we're seeing this morning, right is that from us on the opening, the, the palestinian side of rock rock and not facilitating the excess of human. it's very nice itself. so we need to ask ourselves again wise, from us preventing humanitarian a fall, b u. n. general assembly has called for humanitarian sees fire. people in rafa are
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pessimistic. l 27 models where the noise is real, as well known for ignoring un an international resolutions. when it considers itself above the law, but enough simple because of that saying i don't think it will accept any resolution, especially with winter, just setting in many fear, the hardship and danger that lie ahead. stephen ryan is with the international red cross committee in gaza and he described conditions in rafa. i was just over 10 days ago. i passed by one size, one location uh not far from where i could to, nor based. and i saw that there was a couple of talking times i taught by one week later a few days ago. and there was hundreds, if not more, certainly tens of thousands or hundreds and thousands of people are on the move here in gaza. and many of those people are putting on even, but they're able to carry funds in that situation like apps,
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some very basic items become the most valuable a mattress, a blankets, maybe a negroes supply foods and when they arrive to the place and they're already very, very crowded, there's not enough, i need some occasion for some of these people have to queue for. ready long time to water and nobody knows what you know is going to bring, certainly things that there's efforts to bring in more assistance into got that this. this is a positive development. one of the things that were deeply concerned about the ability to meet the growing needs that are going by the hour and to be able to reach people who are not in raffle. certainly, there are so many more people civilians who are protected under international monitor. know who are outside as well. and we also need to make sure that's an international organization such as the international committee, direct costs and any other to be able to work here. are able to provide assistance these people in say to and what i can continue. stephan extremely difficult. steve
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