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the musicians under the swastika, a documentary about this sounds of power, inspiring story about survival of the home and you go get the tennis. i was the only one who lives in nazi germany. watch now on youtube dw documentary, the state of the news advocates coming up on the program, the forgotten war. incidentally, the, with thousands of people killed and millions displaced. 8 organizations, one of the catastrophe, as the situation is worse than in the u. s. s. b 6 applies to support people in need are running out the reports or has gain exclusive access to the south of the country into the rebel patrol new the mountains. one of them was thing just on the isolated regions of sit on where people now feet to seek shelter
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he played a lot to get them, but now god has taken generally from me. i believe you got to test the cost. plus in kenya, the government's so called forest protection plan is driving indigenous people out of the homes, the i q as far as the ranges of destroying the houses, leaving them with nowhere to go home. i came the very nowhere else to but i know that my grandmother, my great grandmother of areas. where else will i go? a grew up being told this morning to where else they want me to go to europe in the i d, michael junior. and you welcome to the pro on 8 organizations i want to know if he
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hung catastrophe in sit down as a result of the conflict fair. which day describe us the forgotten war. much of the wealth attention has been elsewhere on russia's fighting and new cream. and the reasons war between each route and how much owing to don altoff, nearly 25000000 people in need of age, the united nations has only been able to reach a small fraction and funding even for that is running low. so don's war erupted 8 months ago after a fee of tension between the military chief general abdel spots out blue han and the general mohammed hummed done delgado. who is come on out of that, probably to wrap it, support forces the fights and has killed more than 12000 people so far and displeased by 6000000 people pass. sedans, already struggling economy is on the verge of collapse. you ends, you wanted to in coordinate task force it on says the situation on the ground is getting worse by today. the situation and so down 8 months after the conflict
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started is catastrophic. despite the valiant efforts of the humanitarian community, the partners, the agencies on the ground, we are still facing significant challenges. we have about 7000000 people displaced in sudan, which is the highest displacement situation globally. so we are stretched in terms of our ability to respond to what is quite a high number of of needs across the board. we're facing a population, but it's about 24700000 people in need of humanitarian assistance to date. we've been able to reach about 4000000, and our goal is to hopefully reach around 18000000. our overall budget. our needs is about 2600000000 to date. we've received only $38.00 plus sentence, sat for long this let's bring in the abdomen in the fall,
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much in our list on so then these come in tates. she's now based in egypt, cairo. hello dahlia. welcome to the program. now you live in egypt, cairo after fleeing the recent fights and in your home country. so don, human insights with people on the ground. what i be telling you about the concepts going on. i'm horrible. those who are in cartoon are still facing bombardment and fighting between the iris, if in the army and those who are in charge, most, many of them have been forced to flee for their own safety and their in caps. refugee camps on the border with chad, and the situation is horrible. it's very dire, and humanitarian aid is unable to get through. and at the same time, not enough humanitarian aid is being is, is coming in to sit down in the surface to become a forgotten conflict. but for me,
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the 42000000. so the news is a software doesn't conflict. the numbers that are coming up every week from agencies like very nice nations and the red cross make for franklin green hire we uh, something like how familiar half the population, maybe some 25000000 to the knees are in need of humanitarian aid and the 70 percent of the country is hospitals and health clinics are out of service including schools and universities. so there is no positive information coming out of savannah at this moment. yeah, it definitely doesn't sound like that to uh, how people surviving those that you are in touch with through the help of local grocery to organizations and responders, you know, their local initiatives, grassroots initiatives, mainly run by, you know,
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use for just finding whatever means they can't be able to get supplies, medical aid, and even money to those who can't. uh, cartoon him is pretty much a battle ground, a daily battle ground between the army and the militia, and therefore, is pretty much now under the control of the militia. and so it's a nightmare, it's very hard for them to do it, but they're somehow still doing, you know, doing what they can and in the way, because the state of colorado has collapsed, there is those that stay the adult. so it's down to the initiatives local initiatives, whole ground grass was initiatives that are somehow keeping the fabric of so that needs society, you know, like me and or if you think about the latest about time to mediate a ceasefire again, it seems to have failed. why it, as it keeps feeling you think because neither side is
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being honest about wanting to cease fire. i think end of the day, it's a power struggle between 2 military units. and each one is fighting to gain control to gain power to gain the power. and there is no sense from them that it's so lose lose situation in their opinion. if either, if they agree to assist for it because the conditions put in place by others by both sides on each other. and i don't see how anyone can, can make sure that those agreements are fulfilled. because even agree on allowing a humanitarian passage convoys to get through, how are they going to agree on ending the fighting? and at the same time, international party, international actors who can have an influence on not pulling their weight so to speak. mean, nothing more can be done from the international arena to pressure both sides to to,
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you know, bring the end to the conflict, but not enough pressure is being applied. and the regional of the actors. yeah, sorry it's got you the what kind of pressure is needed. we talk about giving them price. uh, what is the price of that? we really get them to say, hey, let's, let's call policies file. and this conflict stopped the supply of arms. economic sanctions and use, you know, and use your biological relationship as a way to pressure. but these 3 at these 3 points. those who can on even following through each side has it's been a fact. so each side has a supporter and each side is continuing to be getting the arms the means to continue this war. and unless you cut that stream of supports arms and money, this will continue. and the taking defects that warn you who in your opinion is
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funding this because you, you seem to be saying those who can stop it, not doing it because you are benefiting somehow from me to add these people, you're talking about the regional neighbors and the regional powers in the middle east and in africa they have been they have played a big part in the continue in this, in the, in the outbreak of this war. and they continue to play a big part in the continuation of this war. and at the same time, you have the european, the western nations, but the european union, the 9th of states, detroit and the, when not really having much of a say, you know, there's not, there's very little interest you know, or to bring up to bring about pressure on the parties that are helping to, you know, extend this war and it's in the data game of politics. at the same time, you have other conflicts going on around the world, which i've taken attention to, even though they've been grapple the attention. so it's very hard to you know,
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to stand up and say, what about us look at us. so this is why we as to the needs we come in and this is where we need to do what we can. and in our case, and my case is to work on the humanitarian side to help those with who can't, who, who's, who need help and aren't getting any help me. you've talked about returning home to sit down soon, barry and all that we've. we've said right now the challenge is in a cease file and in the conflict, how realistic is it for you to return home to a peace posted on every day i wake up with a different idea. one day i wake up and i think it's hopeless that i will never see my home country again. and other days i wake up and i'm like, no, it's of the own. this is on us as to the needs to make sure that we do have a home to go back to and it's just call, it's a continuous, you know, self conflict that i face. and, but i truly believe that if security was, you know, safety wise, i can go back,
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i think me and then more the thousands of others. we will do that because we're like a tree. we've been uprooted. and you know, we, we, this is our home, it's given us so much and it's sticking so much from us, but it's out home. and no matter where you go, no matter how welcome you made to feel or unwelcome. it's never the same feeling as being in your own place and i think for me that's the driving factor. busy that i am working on and i hope that maybe this time, next day if i, if i speak to again i'll be like, i'll be speaking from car to or i'll be speaking from other some other sedans done . so i really, i really, i really hope so. too, and we will keep reporting on this until the well pays enough attention. dahlia abdel millennium. thank you very much for your time. thank you for having me . now the escalades in the wall has made it dangerous for journalists to report
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from many pods of sit on. but all correspondence, mario luda succeeded in gaining exclusive access to the south of the country into the remote on the rebel controlled, knew by mountains where more and more people flee for safety. as these remote pods of sedan has become a place of refuge for people fleeing the war and some of them can now tell the stories. my name is honda, how mulder i fled from one heart to of to last my 2 children and one of my legs shipped to tell the stories we had to enter so done illegally by ourselves. so done to reach the remote new the mountains region checked phones a guarded by the s p. m and rebel group. they have been fighting the sudanese government for almost 40 years, demanding self determination and secularism. now the war has re ignited this old
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conflict. as we travelling with german n g o cap anymore, we are allowed to pass after an 8 hour drive we reach at buey camp. thousands of intent and the display as people have sold refuge here. including honda. how much say that i've done at the bomb. he tell a house, i didn't lose my legs straight away and it didn't to me to, to sense that it was 7, someone who could know and i, but it just felt none because a couple of she was taken to hospital when she woke up from surgery to amputate her leg, the doctors told her that she had also lost her 2 sons. what teeth and other that were only 2 and 4 years old. i said, i'm quite children, the adorable. we played a lot together, but god has taken them away from me. i will leave it to go to charge the government . i don't blame god for it. i was thinking about them. i was thinking that i'm gonna ship it took a while roughly
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a quarter of a 1000000 people reach the remote into the mountains region. this local church played a crucial role in providing century many people in the congregation here today say, and they have this man to thing for their lives. boston most equity has just been a society. and a few weeks after the fighting broke out, he organized $23.00 buses, which transported $1500.00 residents of park to him to safety and the new, the mountains. a lot people just got that a lot of people died or people there were not to, they were not having food. the bus katie mall done the number not to use a post. ok. because people that i knew from there and they were not able to, instead of that, so we just from the bus. and if there's a lot of how gone the way people in this region have to get by without help, 8 organizations can't access it because of the fighting. almost 10000 people have
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found refuge in this camp. now at least they have a sense of safety. but not much else. they like clean water, proper food and shelter. and the only medical facility has not enough medicine. despite what she's gone through, kind of how moto says she won't give up. she has 2 other children to take care of. i don't know. so i was told that i may make them any good so that a man made them be happy, they should know to them, right. and we don't have a complete, right, i'm practice to do. but if i don't do one so that i mean it just them to say that i'm with the was still ongoing. many of the stories of those less than effected or only starting to trickle out what's clear is that the effects will last well into the next generation.
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less now turn our attention to can you for a plan to say forest and fight climate change is the link to the removal of indigenous people from their homes. they will get community have lived in the mile forest for generations spot. the now find themselves on the wrong side of forest restoration efforts. and c ranges from kenya for a service destroying the houses, leaving them displeased on the destitute. they reached out to the government, full comments, but have not gotten a response yet. use at fedex. marine got reports from sussing, whiny village in the mile forest complex. someone was zillow, save the ranges from the cabinet, for the se, destroyed his house, leaving him with practically nothing through my ze go to all my cane. the buried he has done you. i've been living and i grew up. i didn't know where else it's about. know that my grandmother, my great grandmother, up every day to day and wherever else will i go? i grew up being told, this is my 100 albany. where else did they want me to go with you?
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when you are being beloved toys. say she was in her house with her 5 children when that rings us came connected. now on the watch i to and they left nothing outstanding cooperman. neither would they leave anything behind. and i the even stone hose acts of so i have a boiling on mays eat my and it took a cook and thought that was saying they would be using them at the window. i can wish at night in mind we passed the forest visa boat and the guess was it's a range of destroyed these houses, but they failed to reply. this is what the forest obviously supposed to protect the vast mo, for this complex became then government save people living. there have been damaging the for us. the president told them to leave when visiting the retail. why do they by the local does, did in the far is trip plan to vacate as soon as possible. i will put up a fence and that is not a request that i need a does result in human rights. last suggest the connection. speed international
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couple and marketing and setup during play mentioned saw me. it's these have made for us to by level we know that the old yet are being evicted, like in the name of a conservation. we also know that that's a note of interest from those who are engaging in, in helping trading in, in kenya and in kenya's forest and all the assets. so i think if you, if you place in the wider context, i think it's, it's bad to say that there were concerns about the okay sounds maybe being taken away for the full, coven credit they or get people development program is trying to persuade the government just of everything in teaching us people, we hope that the government we are, let's see that it's a matter of importance to stop eviction of indigenous communities in kenya. second thing we ex, picked today government to invite to members of the community to uh,
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negotiation table. so that consolidation happen and the road map on recipient communities, it does come inches in for us by way of giving them line by way of composition for damages, etc. happens sofa. if what's just top that makes sense, talk about compensation have faded besides the remains of a house that was exemplary, demolished by that kind of government belonging to one of the community members. now on to okay. so it's in 2017 and to add students to that we can quote on human and people. it's right to ask the kind of government to do to produce funds for the damage is cost to they'll get community. but instead of compensation, destruction has continued to take place in the community, members are constantly living in fia. so, these 2 men just told us, arrange us could attend families rest. if they didn't leave the homes, they've taken what they could covey into, and then sat in future. i am now joined by let's see,
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and i'm why east africa direct to human rights watch tellos that now us we had in the reports, they all get people say being violently evicted. and in some cases they've been abused. your organization has been investigating these claims. what have you found out that they should go get this cleaned up because uh the government seemed to be starting clock on us on dallas, acknowledging an ongoing process. and on the order set up in medic yourself, we just got going on with evictions. no, that is a cold for me. no, no, no, no big nice. the certainly the using the police sense until that somebody's up to the people. we don't even have a good time to look at the notes showing them where to go. i'm not providing any of the supplements support uh,
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i mean talking about college readings uh the east african court of justice. recently also audited canyon governments to stop the evictions and pay the it'll get people compensation. what is the government's of lights to photo that order but the government housing dependents funded in any meaningful way on housing stops if you're some sort of or short inside are planning to exit difficulties and that is best guiding 9. what we're seeing with the kind of the decision, but yeah, i think um, economic benefits of anything besides the rights of people of an individual. and i think what you're seeing when do get to have understood that the government actually is planning is, is going to see that and using that part of the funding for a couple of the team problem. uh, so the everything to be, it's not decided because of the 5 foot problems that we just submitted. it was 10
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because the problem said, benefiting the community is not talking. so basically you, you're trying to say that there's a bit more of a shady reason that the government is trying to drive that will get people out. is that right? definitely not that the government. it says say that i'm doing that because of the 1st up, we have good information to suggest that after that evicted, they'll get to because they'll in enter into a document that international company to come on upset the for the part of the fall as being part of the 1st page back from just a quick one on this. um you talking about the shady reason the government may have to drive into or get people away assuming that was the actual reason. would that make sense to drive that will get people to achieve that?
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i know it's, it's not because it defies useful also then it's the gift before us that it has been so that we should make the decision on or if the government was trying to process the process of being consultation and they'll get people to get people need to understand all the information i need to be given to them so that they understand why they need to get out of the why as, as being solved. so that they make that decision knowing what devices they useful. and then the government needs to provide a bit as a benefit setting for me that we have to get up to the, the, the, the, the updates of the so how the gigs have weight benefit. that's how something that's being thought up. so at the end of the day who wins is, that's the case. the government says this is what they want to do with the forest, the one to protect the forest, or get people who say, hey, this is why we've been or allies. we don't want to leave what happens now,
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what options the deal will get people have left you have to remember that any government projects the projects of to be done in the amount of extra steps that people that i told the people i'm doing give being the indigenous people that disc, spend, that stuff that i mean lots to offer, based on the most, most of us that cannot, cannot house by to good. now, by ignoring it, some of those have not been to the last the last the data to the liable to see us the professions look the sunday. okay. the back to anything else? no. okay, let's see. i know them why east africa director of human rights watch. thank you. that's all we have on a program from all of our stories, go to dw dot com slash after draft or visit us on facebook on x. and let's wrap up
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