i suppose we said there was never giving up every weekend on d. w. as with so many african come fix the latest fighting in. so don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians. this time even the un has been shocked by what code the unprecedented speed of disintegration. whatever happened to africa's low last promise to silence the guns. mo, abraham 6 ounces to such questions. these are suit, denise born bridges, billionaire for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards. those who try to solve them. does he ever lose faith in africa? the feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we,

we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems, he says is bad governance. and why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it paid back for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to come pick some. thanks dave. us, you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away and sit on the country of your bus decades of fighting. another king has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you?

is very best at stan award. and i'll be able to have this. i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides to this. fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial. this was, this is instead of the story, this is tory of for yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old story. unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides, to respect, humanitarian principles, that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it okay? absolutely. i don't see the issue of them think they can somehow when this don't the kind of be

a we're not here to kind of be will not only who is us able to find this losing do so that these people are losing the little frustrated. we have is being destroyed, detective easy is in a mess. and most civilians are buying the soldiers. it's, it is, it is very said, do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite to this, that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of $54.00 can cause on index. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa are the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what. but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the

really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this? we okay. this the funding governor, governor, it's a z d. i bought a number of of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery about submission, etc. i don't, the boxes are quarterly. then these are human developments. and there's a ruler of security. and the bitch of the bishop is really mix yes. course over the last 10 years after got made the point of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development, vintage occasional based on hands of non secured, no security, i'm sort of low. is going down actually why,

why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a or it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the factors like climate change with you end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up. it's a ethnic conflicts like having in the for i didn't have a criminal, legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of the strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so

called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across out africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening and custom weatherstone . banners. so that for 50 years and today shed jenna. but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organization and how it is not enough for him to have an army. he committed to the support forces. i haven't called him him id, you know, it just hasn't for him, it is my board section. and the, the collision center just has an army. his party has him an issue. he had ordered the stuff, which is just kind of kind of just quotes. so to use hit the same kids who grew up

on the he's or those of the guys were dying. is a city for the most that this is a and b will will give us hole because they will not accept the soldier. they would not accept at tyler and he would not accept the death of ships. and you went to just city for 3. it is now green solution, so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say you say that you say that, but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and bad government says that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now a slim majority, there's a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past, that has to be dangerous for them. of course,

at least it is dangerous. and the problem is you take guinea for example, we have to have as book on the abusing fall off his power and then trying to deal with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position i'm fed and the guy who was the democrat before getting follow didn't power gets to his head and now being the data. when electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say, oh, as one of the for a good today to for him. so, down, know, 3, this important competitor. cool. happy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing is the constitution end up losing his body if uh yeah, its spectrum gets rid of so, but then, but then the problem is you uh, replacing the soccer and it was a different i mean that, that is, that it doesn't look like that. that's why i, i,

us, people need to live that there is also enough to, to seek the 4 of the bad z that it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that instead of ending up midnight support your community. cool again, is that somebody effort to decide what's the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong men. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work with only in africa. our guys in africa look at out. i'm do see or just feeling mean strong, mean all over the place. you know, and we have probably not states will have delta t last. russia will have china we had for the beans. what. how many strong men of them we see this fraction of a strong board is,

is coming back again. one of the best i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are already about why i cannot be like to order those out. and why cannot be like this is a painful, strong man, unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is what i'm african phenomena. it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment. um one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trump cling on humanitarian go back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic, despite, as he said, what levels with the cost stable predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but, and to what extent is that still the case?

it is, it is unfortunate. you pay for that, and i'm coming from continental graphic. i'll have see like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished invest. that was you cool. you know, that is each at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a cool with some of that. and i think we've heard that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this then that gave us an extra division question. i mean, i know it is estimated to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa? why do we do that? what does the job of items the item is suppose to protect you on board? the who is it and the applicant can to be so i think i don't have applicant categories to, to have any was between applicant countries. i don't record any why you need the arms. who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that to?

yeah, i'm in a moment to, to i, i just, i don't think we need it easy. so all of these are those guys just big goals as many of them, and then they come much with us with the copy that. i mean, what is last week? so does government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the us business? what was happening inside 2000 was an internal affair. they said, i'm a student, these armed forces. so of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital is you said it was simply doing the constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry? but the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution . but the government does nothing, the look of the shipment. who records those guys? government? it's the only government they have. i just it always people just took it by paula. by guns. yeah. not elected that no to drive looking at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general those on the f i never fails denouncing

this while the african states that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it, that's all they've done. what else comes into? what as the problem is applicant here that hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time, which at this time the force of the epic i do in the action be finite and should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of categories and whatever, unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't been hasn't go did. she has plenty of good. you. the tensions doesn't to but it doesn't realize all the motor power. what happens assignments with guns by one and 220. yes. what happens, what, what about 6, what is the account? so get the plastic. i need to double check always because what it is including accounts. i think a lot of people forgotten about the security because is defined by the veto. is that the 5 cause, i guess, is by lice, but what is the whole bubbly or the isn't a mess? the whole public, the whole, the whole world of this, you know,

or the global instruction. i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you ask me because this is they don't have the means book, so they've got all the sublist. i think he's more on the ridge which of these accounts have kind of even the so we're not seeing much of that. as far as i know this is that didn't and finish incidentally, did we have the conference 2 weeks of all i've had most of our gateway, i don't know guys in the conference and just clear what the stand once we want to do that, even if it comes to kind of see what i can look even expressed on obedient and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either the generals, the causing this concept to sit down at the moment. no i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was those guys have given us the should end of the day,

will they if i to i hope. ready i hope so. what's the, what's the chance it was one day it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i'd be able to sit all what, but she unnecessary. nobody could patch him. he wasn't prison. so what happened to court? what happened, the african courts pushing for african solutions and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea in central african republic, where the trial, i think is important to support the i. c. i o projected to there's an attempt to replace isis. he was an applicant court. i don't think that was the right decision. actually it's, and again you look at the way that quote is going to georgia, which it cannot cannot. but it's cute but is it is just for the cable itself in entity from exactly sure. so i, as i said, july, as i yeah, is this going to end up really was getting taxes drivers and official men,

but they're not my good. it's gotta do that. why it is a special court. it, it just, it city is just some visits wants to be effective sense from vice and see. and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff. what has that? what about south to down? is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up, then we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. football is all these will continue to hold. what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved, both of them fine. so show stuff definitely can do and you have this in volume and yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah,

most of those guys would have that'd be conference in there will be our foundation . i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice. or do you hear about kansas was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fire out would need to buy and any x most of our through the division of death. and we need to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often, you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes musson to the group. of course, um, bob, from the, for instance, victoria, as a new crane and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students on acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them medical visits

in the number of western countries. this being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for the, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i go to rule is the community that templates be flex. gigi lucian, america is usually called for the uh uh, gaming the uh, validation of the silver and see what else i can help you create of your claim. and minneapolis got people said, excuse me. what did america do? any of that was that was that not breach of security? so would it be over another country? so why did they cut them both then?

but from us towards this resolution for what was a little bit media on the weiss, i think you had mentioned how would you sort of a new ocean because your money objected to the invasion of that. but is long for us to was, is it is usually because any, excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral. really the size of the, as it is kind of use your boy. i the, these items are the collection of rooms, or those you give me or out of the rules only applies to russia, not us. this will be, hey, book, this is appropriate. this is to a problem. we need to look at the middle or sometimes and the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya, would then blogs is category. we never put it together, but again, is that acceptable? what do you make? look, i i that has to be honest,

i did it with this stuff. so it looked like the width is in the why it on or romantic? nobody side. okay. so, so don't lift. you don't lift, you have other people and say you look icon them. and i think it is a problem is i'll acceptable for russia to evade. you'll create and there's no question. but in the simplest, i'll call them american envision of, of that act because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that. and i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules you should applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally well. even what do you make of america's charge? last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian freighter. if you make of that child i, i'm really confused. exactly as to why the best level

just as well. we only have south africa's version. so saying he apologized, he didn't know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't like know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did denied the wording was, i'm big us. they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i played with would i'm afraid that south africa has a number of issues i think. and where is a see? where is the government? i think is the broberg we is losing. it's it's agreeable impala effectively.

i said some somewhere today that is possible that the 4 is that even though that we have of what happens. they cannot admit that because they say ok, then this is stead of work if he's at with as he's in light, is also terrible of their medical. they're both wrong. i was also a medical reports now more accurately done before. uh i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda and a section on the, which is a kim, loud this actually budgeting throat in the world. the americans have been very accurate and they bought it. so i did it well, it's not. and i don't know what this is to, so what happened there, but i notice danger to innovation of governments and tests. africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you,

what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way look at what is happening here. go with the game and you'll have to be probably all you to be on the this 20 you'll be a leader. i'm african leads of signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if, unless everybody see if i think i need support, we need to 100000000 bar. so budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then be able to hold. holding coffee next to the nationalist and the other guys, even our had surfaced the support. nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then let's see if i'm this everybody see if they know of that. so

right. know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after he left for the summit . 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different color. that's very important. look at the after, got that. so there's no cover it $2300.00. out of said yes, everyone get a money in america. us and, and bridget, also seeing the f $23.00 young dollars africans go north of is in their money. okay . and now does it say what is happening? so when you create has a problem, when greece has a financial problem, the fund will it bank immediately searches out now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of going to years? does it act as you want them to get um and you want them to come down also on the

list it cache and this is find the most do a $100000000000.00 a 100000000000 dollars they get most living on advocate who wisdom companies like united pricing and yes, and that's pricing and broke it down, you know, a lot of shifting and you know that i'm sick, i just want you to act so with these really the bits of behavior. and so my friends of the was, is a bit out of what is all of them who did have a bit of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most do know some ideas on the boards it's, it's a, there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys are supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. that's why these banks would focus on greece. we're focusing on your credit. right? but so they like uh, what is to that and what is that, what would the boards that doesn't know?

what is, what does that be a small avery and we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. signing on topics i'm going to give you his talk to the,

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