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and how much can we do simultaneously? multitasking these, the modern because if we do too much, we had it all wrong. we messed things up, risky brain damage. so let's stop this self sabotage, humans and multitasking watch. now on youtube, v. w documentary. as with so many african come fix, the latest fighting into don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians this time. even the un has been shocked by what zip code the unprecedented speed of this integration. whatever happens to africa's loan of promise to silence the guns, but we bring him 6 ounces to such questions. these are suit, denise born bridges, billionaire, for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards. those who try to solve them. fuzzy
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ever lose faith in africa. that feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says, is by governance from why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refused or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it payback for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to conflicts of thanks, dave. so you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. in su, don, the country of your bus decades of fighting another king has become again,
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an honest how personal is this conflict to you? is very best at stan award. and i will be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is to size this fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial. this was, this is instead of the story, this is story of photos. yes. i made it to the cause is essentially old story unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys despite trudges by both sides to respect humanitarian principles. that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it okay? absolutely. i don't see the shift each of them think they can somehow
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win this don't. they cannot be a, we're not here. they cannot be when i, the only who's us ever this find is losing a new so that these people are losing. the little frustrated. we have is being destroyed, detective easy, isn't a mess. and most of unions of buying guns sold. yes. it's, it is, it is very sad. do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite to this, that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of $54.00 can cause on index. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa. the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find
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a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the really dismal tapestry of back, sliding democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shows your sense of responsibility for this. we okay, this, the funding governor governor says edi. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery. a bunch of patient is here today. i don't, the boxes are corner me, then please. the human developments and the rules of security and the picture. the bishop is really mix. yes. to course, over the last 10 years, i forgot made the point of progress in the area of introspection and human development bits of educational because i have a non secured,
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no security as little of little is going down and actually why, why is the connection between the 2, that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a. so it's a truism, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the factors like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up it's or ethnic conflicts like having in the for i didn't have a criminal, legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you. you said earlier this year we started to see qu data,
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which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across out africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening and custom weatherstone banners. so that for the test he is in today, shed general, but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organization and how it is not enough for him to have an army he's going to attend to the support forces. i haven't called him him id, you know, it just hasn't for him, it is my board section and the, the collision center just has an army. his party has him an issue. he had ordered the stuff, the just curriculum is this course. so 2 years hit the same kids who grew up
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on the he's or those are the guys were dying, is a city for the most a this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. they would not accept at tyler and he would not accept the death of ships and you went to the city till 3. it is now green solution for them because the young people would not accept. this will just you, you say you say that you say that, but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now a slim majority, there's a majority, is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past,
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that has to be dangerous for them. of course, at least it is dangerous. and the problem is you take guinea, for example, we have to have, as the con, the ap using fall off his power and then trying to deal with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position. i'm fed and a guy who was the democrat before getting follow didn't power gets to his head. and now being the data. when electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say, oh, as one is definitely good rate for him. so definitely this important political heavy to get rid of the really a quarter of a civilian who really abusing the constitution. i'm losing his body if uh yeah, its spectrum. good. but then, but then the problem is you are, you are
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a blessing. the song was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesn't work like that. that's why i, i, its people need to live that there is also enough to, to seek the 4 of the bad z that's. it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that instead of ending up mid, somebody giving me 3 cool again, is that somebody else looks tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong men. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work. look only in africa. our guys in africa, lou cut out and the c o. just feeling been strong. mean all about the place. you know, and we have something that states will have delta t last. russia will have china web for the beans. what. how many strong without
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them we see this fraction of a strong board is, is coming back again. what about this? and i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are all the about and why i cannot be like to order the like under would be like, yeah, this is a painful, strong man. unfortunately, as we need to wake up to that is not an applicant phenomenon, it's a global phenomenon. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment um, one to violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. now, back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian. the most of epic despite is he said, what bevels with the cause they would predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case?
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it is, it is unfortunately paper that a number come with some countries of last week. i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished. i'm thought that was you. cool. you know the disease at a, into 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a course on wedding. i think we saw that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about this. then that game is an extra rigid question. i mean, i know it is just the visual series, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa. why do we need it? what does the job of the items the item is suppose to protect you? important? who is it and the applicant can to be so i think i don't have applicant categories to, to have any was between applicant categories. i don't record any why you need the arms who's been though, is this money to get those guys,
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bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that to. yeah, i'm in a moment to to i, i just, i don't think we need it. it is all nice. and those guys has been goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the copy that i mean, what is last week? so does government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the us business? what was happening inside to done was an internal affair. they said, i'm a student, nissan forces who of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital is you said it was simply doing the constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but the government does look at the look of the shipment. what cause those guys government? it's the only government they have. i just it always people just took it by paula by guns. yeah. look you lifted that no to drive, look at it, but yeah, i mean,
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those guys just, you know, making themselves lot of shows in general those on the f. i never things act announcing this while the african states, the data african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes they do? what is the problem? is the applicant here that hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time in which i just started the force of the epic. i do when the actual the finance should be on, then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental race and whatever. unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't been hasn't called yet, she has plenty of good. you the tensions doesn't to but it doesn't realize all the motor power. what. what, what happens assignments for guns by one and t? 20? yes. what happens? what? what about 6, what is accounts? i forget the plastic. i need to double check always because what it is, including accounts. i think a lot of people forgotten about the security cause is defined by the veto, is that the 5 color is by lice. the point, the whole bubbly or dollar is in
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a mess. the whole public, the whole or the whole world of this, you know, or the global instruction. i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you ask me because this is the doesn't have the means talk . so they've got all that suppressed. i think he's more on the ridge which of these accounts have kind of even. so we're not seeing much of that. as far as i know the, this is that didn't and finish incidentally, did. we have the confidence 2 weeks ago as we had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and was clear what the stand ones you want to do. that even if it comes to kind of see what i can look, even expressed on obedient and what's going on for them, shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either the generals for the causing this concept to sit down at the moment? no, i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was
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guys of goodness they shouldn't allow me to take will they of i to i hold of it. i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of it was one day it would come one day look, but she ended up in prison. i'd be able to sit all what, but she industry, nobody can touch him. he was in prison. so what happened to him about what happened? the african quotes pushing for african solutions and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea in central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. i o projected to there's an attempt to replace icy without an applicant court. i don't think that was the right decision. actually it's and again you look at the way that quote is going to georgia, which is cannot, it cannot, but it's cute, but it's, it is just for k one. so gimme entity from exactly. sure. so i,
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as i said july as i yeah. is this going to end up really persecuting taxi drivers and official men, but they're not, not good. it's gotta do that. why was a special court? it's, it's, it just, it's city. it's just some visits wants to executive sense from vice and see. and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west off for has that. what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up until then we'll have to due to was it quickly before the fire spits who it was, all these will continue to hold. what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved, so you gotta be as involved both of them. fine, so sure. thought the ethnic i knew and yeah, this involved and yeah, this involved,
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the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah. most of those guys would have to be conference in there will be our foundation. i noticed this guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice. or do you know about kansas was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fire out, we need to buy and any x most of our to the division of death. and we need to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often you to you to, you talk totally about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 for an armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in russia, is musson regroup? of course, um, 5 of the, for instance, victorious in ukraine and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students
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on acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them the many communities in the number of western countries that's being comes to nation. that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for them, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the community that templates be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the a a good game in the violation of the silver and t. but why does that kenzie hope you create of your claim and maybe applicant people's head. excuse me. what did america do that i was actually against was that
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not breach of security? sofa and 2 other countries. so why did they cut them both in a 2nd, but from us to woods? this is a solution for what was a little bit media on the lice. i think you had mentioned how was this sort of a new issue on because your money objected to the invasion of iraq, but is long for us to which is it is a huge on because any excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral. really the size, the as it is kind of use your boy either as it is. i the collection of rules or those you can me out of the rules. the only applies to russia, not us. let's not be, hey, because this is appropriate. this is to a problem, we need to look at the middle or sometimes the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya? would them brooks is company. we never would you to get them again?
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is that acceptable? what do you make? look, i've been like, i'll be honest and dealing with this stuff. so it looked like the width is the why it on or the mac. nobody saying that. okay, so, so don't, let's you don't collection of other people and say you look icon them. and i think it is a problem it's, i'll acceptable for russia to video created and there's no question back in the same place i'll call them american envision of, of that act. because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that, i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules just applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally, molly. but what do you make of america's charge last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian fighter? if you make of that child i,
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i'm really confused exactly as to why the investment level is just as well. we only have south africa's versions. so saying he apologized, he didn't know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't, i know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did denied the wording was, i'm big us. they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that social advocate has a number of issues i think and where is easy? where is the government? i think is the broberg me is losing it's. it's
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a grip on paula effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible that to them before they even know that we have of what happened. they cannot admit that because they say ok, then this is stead of work. if he's at with i'd say the light is also terrible of their medical, they're both wrong. i was also a medical reports now a more accurate exam before uh i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda and a section on the, which is a tim columbus actually. but during the throat in the world, the managers have been very accurate and they bought it. so i didn't know it's not and i don't know what does to. so what happened death. but i notice digitalization of governance in south africa was big public about this. right,
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in the time we have left, we took to learn about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you, what the west face briefly, what do you want the west to 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way, look at what is happening here. go with the game and you'll have to be probably all you to be on the that's 20. you'll be at least i think at least that was signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if i'm just able to what do you see if i think i need support? we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with, but no deeds, nothing done. then we will hold, holding coffee next to the nationalist and this other seeing the guys even our had surfaced the support. nothing. okay? and that was the, the bad behavior tv, but at this job,
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because then then we'll see if i'm this everybody see if they know that so right. know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after we left for the summit, 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different color. that's very important. look at the after got that. so there's no cover it $2300.00 out of said yes, everyone gentlemen, in america, us and, and bridget also seen is $23.00 young dollars for going to go north of there's a new money. it's okay. and now does it say, what is happening when you create has a problem? when greece has a financial problem, the bank immediately searches out. now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of going to use the act and you want them to get um and
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you want them to come down also on the list it cash and this is find the most do a $100000000000.00 a $100000000000.00 they get most loving, i've got, well, wisdom companies like united pricing and yes and that's pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of shifting and they know that i'm sick, i just want you to act. and so with these really the best of the heavy and so my friends of the list, so it is a bit out of when it or them who did have a bit of financial institution because these financial institution i'm not said of in this house that dominated by wisdom most do know some ideas on the boards it's, it's a, there's no voice in the board decision. institutions from the guys are supposed to be the customer to decline. so this of these banks, that's why these banks would focus on greece or focusing on your grid, right?
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but so the lack of what is to that is why is that what the doesn't know? what is, what does that mean? a small even we run out of time. thank you very much of the timing on topics. i'm going to give you his tax in the,
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