i might just do it and i'm hosting dw new podcasts. thanks. trace amount, but it's still actually about mills. so it has to be traveling around your, facing the history of every day. ok. and that's something right around the well, no need to talk about just a subscriber id, listen to the most. take you along to the right the as with so many african come fix. the latest fighting into don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians. this time, even the un has been shocked by what zip code, the unprecedented speed of this integration. whatever happens to africa's loan of promise to silence the guns, but we bring him 6 officers to such questions. these are suit, denise born bridges, billionaire for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards. those who try to solve them. fuzzy ever lose faith in africa that feedbacks in some countries. unfortunately,

one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says, is that governance from why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refused or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it paid back for the roles of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to come fix a thanks, dave. so you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa, in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away. in sudan, the country of your bus decades of fighting another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you?

is the very best at stand of work. and i will be able to have that i've done this. and what we have here is to size this fighting a button in an hour carpet. this is side once power and was power comes financial results. this is still a blessed story. and this is story of photos. yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old. story, unfortunately, and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides to respect humanitarian principles, that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it ok? absolutely. i don't see the shift. each of them think they can somehow, when this don't, they cannot be a we're not here. they cannot be,

will not only lose us ever this find is losing. and so these people are losing the little and for flesh that we have is being destroyed, detective easy, isn't a mess. and most of it is of buying them sold. yes. it's, it is, it is very said, do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite to this, that's going to get, but that's when can 3 out of $54.00 guns according to on ethics. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index to measure of governance in africa as the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what. but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the

really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states that governments, you quoted, africa's own goal and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this week. okay, this the funding governor, governor society. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery about submission, etc. i don't know about digital quarterly then easy human developments and the rules of security and the picture, the bishop is really mix. yes. the course over the last 10 years, african made the point of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development bits of educational, based on hand, but non secured, no security i've heard of low, is going down and actually why,

why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a or it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the effective as like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up, it's a basic, a conflict. so that could happen in the for i didn't have a claimant on legitimate, but she is then using the dish just to sort out the probably that end up and see $100000.00 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you. you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these

so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across out africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's happening in thoughtful weatherstone. banners, so that for 50 years into each general. but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organizational route and there's no time off for him to have an army. he committed to the support forces and called him him id. you know, it just hasn't for him, it is my board section and the, the collision center just has an army. his party has him an issue. he had ordered the stuff, which is just, curriculum is this course. so to use, hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or go to the buys. what volume you this

city to for the most a. this is a and b will will give us will because they will not accept the soldier. they will not accept a tylen need. they will not accept the death of ships and you went to just to the, to 3, it is now going solution. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say i, can you say that you say that? but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and by government says that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics. according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now, a slim majority, there's a majority is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past that has to be dangerous. for them,

at least it is dangerous as the problem is. you take guinea for example, we have to have as look on the ap using paula is power and then trying to deal with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position. i'm fed and a guy who was a democrat before getting follow didn't power gets to his head. and now being data . when electrical came again, is this guy, you understand why people say all as one of the fruit goods they do for him. so don't know to be the supporting committee to the cool, happy to get rid of the really a quarter of a civilian who really abusing is the constitution end up losing his body if uh yeah, its spectrum get rid of some but then, but then the problem is you, uh, you are a blessing, the song was a different, i mean that, that is,

it doesn't look like that. that's why i us be, will need to live that there is also enough to to seek the 4 of the bad z that's. it's also important to know what you're going for and this is that instead of ending up mid, i suppose you committed to the quote again, is that somebody else but the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work with only in africa. our guys in africa, lou cut out and do see or just feeling been strong. mean all about the place. you know, and we have something that states had dealt key last. russia will have china we had for the beans. what, how many strong men are then? we see this fraction of a song people are, is,

is coming back again. one of the best i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are already about why i cannot be like to order those out. and why cannot be like this is a painful, strong man. unfortunately, as we need to wake up to that is not an applicant phenomenon, it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment, one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. go back in 2010. the new york times bureau chief, east africa, reported on how come back in africa have moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic despite, as he said, what bevels with the cause, they were predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case?

it is. it is unfortunate the paper that a number come with some countries are, but i think i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished. i'm thought that was you. cool. you know the disease at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a cool with some living ethnic. we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back. and something we need to be careful about is send that goodness. an extra is a question. i mean, i know it is, is today is to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa. why do we need it? what does the job of the items the item is suppose to protect you on the board of who is it and the applicant can to be. so i think that most of applicant categories to, to have any, was that between african countries? i don't recall any why you need the arms who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that and yeah,

i'm in a moment to, to i, i just, i don't think we need it needs this all nice and those guys has been goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the copy that. i mean, what is this last week? so those government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business. what was happening inside 2000 was an internal affairs, they said, and the student is armed forces. so of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated cecilia, the reason the capital is you said it was simply doing the constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constitution, but that's not the government. that's not, that's not the shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have the address is people just took it by paula by guns. dad looking lifted, that no to dive, looking at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making themselves a lot of shows in general. those on the f. i live are things denouncing this while

the african states to that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes they do? what is the problem? is the applicant here that hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time, which exist on the force of the ethic i do any i can be finite and should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental race and whatever. unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't been hasn't cause it has plenty of good intentions, doesn't to but it doesn't realize all the motor power. what. what, what happens assignments for guns by one and t 20. yes. what happens? what, what about 6, what is the account since? so there's a plastic on, you know, what about security because what it is including accounts. i think a lot of people have forgotten about the square to cause is defined by the veto is of the 5 comes, i guess, is for head lice with the whole bubbly order is in a mess. the whole public, the whole or the whole world of this, you know,

all these global instructions. i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you help me? because this doesn't have the means to accept it. they've had all the extra bliss, i think he's more of the wage, which of these accounts have kind of even but, and so we're not seeing much of that. that's where i saw it on the side of this. is that did it and finish incidentally, did. we have the confidence, 2 weeks ago, i had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference. and it was clear what the stand ones you want to do at that, if it's really comes to kind of to see what i can look even expressed on obedient and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either of the generals that are causing this concept to sit down at the moment? no i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was these guys have given us the shouldn't i've been to take? will they?

if i to i whole then i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of it was one day it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i live with said, oh, what, but she unnecessary, nobody could touch him. he wasn't prison. so what happened to me, i'm afraid that is not what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. c, i o projected to there is an attempt to replace ices. he was an applicant court. i don't think that was the right decision. actually it's and again you look at the way that quote is good to georgia which is cannot, it cannot, but it's cute but is it is yes. very good. so community for me. exactly. sure. so i, as i said july, as i yeah. is this going to end up really was getting taxi drivers and

official men, but they're not my good. it's got those that wire to the special court. it, it just it city. it just some visits wants to executive sense from vice to see. and that was a bundle of what to do a i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff for has that. what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up, but then we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. who is all these will continue to hold? what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved, both of them phantom shows up the ethnic i do and yeah, this involved and yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah,

most of those guys would have that'd be conference in there will be our foundation . i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice or the nearby cancer. this was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fi of alex would need to buy in any x most of our to the division of death. and we need to, to be able to look either we have or we're going to go often, you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes musson to the group? of course, um, 5 minute, for instance, victoria, as a new crane and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students on acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them many of the ships

in the number of western countries that's being comes to nation. that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for them, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputy to be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the uh, a good game in the violation of the silver and see what it is i can see of you create of your claim and maybe applicant people's head. excuse me. what did america do? any of that was that was that not breach of security? so for the other countries. so why did they cut them both in a 2nd,

but from us to woods? this is a solution for what was a little bit media on the lice. i think you had mentioned what is, what is your solution because your money objected to the invasion of that i what is wrong for us to was, is it is usually because any excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral. really the size of the, as it is kind of use your boy, i the, these items are the collection of rooms or those you can me out of that. it was only applies to russia. look us, let's not be, hey, book this is appropriate. this is the problem we need to look at the met, or sometimes i'm the relies. what do we say and what you do, what happens in libya would on brooks is company. we never would have to get them again. is that acceptable? what do you make? look, i, i next has to be honest,

i'm dealing with this stuff. so it looked like the width is the why it on or romantic? nobody side. okay. so and so don't lift. you don't lift, you have other people and say, you look icon them. i think it is a problem, it's unacceptable for russia to video created. and there's no question but the same place, i'll call them american invasion of, of that because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules you should applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally is why we bring in. what do you make of america's charge last week that south africa had load it onto a sanctioned russian fighter? if you make of that child i, i'm really confused. exactly as to why the bus and i

apologized as well. we only have south africa's version. so saying, he apologized that he did not know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't nice know south africa says he apologized to that but. but then they denied the judge, but when it, when they did denied, the wording was on big us, they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that sales advocate has a number of issues i think and where is easy? where is the government? i think in c, broberg we is losing it's. it's a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible that to

them before they even know that we have of what happened. they cannot admit that because they say ok, this is terrible. if he's at with, i'd say the light is also terrible of the american people song. i was also a medical reports now a more accurate zone before. uh, i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda, of a section on the which is of the game, obviously actually, but during throwing war, the amenities have been very accurate and i bought it. so i did it all. it's not, and i don't know what does it to us of what happened death. but i notice the determination of governance in south africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have left, we talked a lot about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you,

what the west to face briefly? what do you want the west to 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with that way. look at what is happening here. go with kim and you'll have to be probably all you to be on the that's 20. you'll be a lead, an applicant leads us signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody see if unless everybody see if applicant the support we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens good with but no the, it's nothing done. then we will hold, holding coffee next to the nationalist and the other guys, even our headset, the supports nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then demo, see if i'm this everybody see if they know that. so what i'm doing gauge now for

the same as i know it's after you left for the summit, 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different bar that's very important. look at the after, got that. so there's no judy cover it. $2300.00. out of said yes, everyone getting money in america, us an in brick and also seen is $23.00 young dollars. i figured it's good not that is any money. okay. and now does it say what is happening? so when you create has a problem, when greece has a financial problem, the fund, will it bank immediately search it out. now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of the 2 years? does it act as you want them to get um and you want them to come down also on the

list it cash and this is find the most of the honda $1000000000.00 a $100000000000.00 they get most living on advocate will wisdom companies like united pricing and yes, and that's pricing and broke it down, you know, a lot of shifting and you know that i'm sick, i just want you to act. and so with these really the bits of the heavy i'm for my friends and the was really is a bit out of what it, all of them who did have a bit of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most of the, you know, some ideas on the boards, etc. there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys and supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. that's why these banks would focus on greece. we're focusing on your grid, right? but so the lack of where to submit to the board that doesn't know what is what does

that be a small even we run out of time. thank you very much in the dining and i don't think so. i'm going to give you his tax in the,

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