to getting a visa is more difficult than finding gold hosted to use the dream force and for the future feelings about what's going on in the industry. instead of being discussed across the continent, dw news, africa every friday on the w. as with so many african come fix, the latest fighting into don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians this time. even the un has been shocked by what zip code the unprecedented speed of this integration. whatever happens to africa's low loss promise to silence with guns bo abraham 6 ounces to such questions. these are suit, denise born bridges, billionaire, for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards those who try to sol, so see ever lose faith in africa. the feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately,

one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says this 5 governance for why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes, and what's behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it paid back for the roles of colonial, occupies the mo, most welcome to come fix a thanks, dave. us, you've tried so many years to promote a governance in africa, in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away and sit on the country of your bus decades of fighting. another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you?

is the very best at stan at work. and i will be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides to this. fighting a button in, in our capital, each side wants power and was power comes financial out as well as this is still a blessed story and this is story of full. yes, i made it to the cause is essentially old story, unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides, to respect, humanitarian principles. that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is it okay? absolutely. i don't see the shift. each of them think they can somehow, when this don't, they cannot be a we're not here. they cannot be,

we're not the only who's us ever this find is losing. do so that these people are losing. the little frustrated we have is being destroyed. detective easy isn't a mess and most of unions of buying them sold. yes. it's, it is, it is very sad. do you ever lose faith in africa? no. despite all this that's going on. yeah. that's when can 3 out of 54 can cause on index. in the last, over the last 10 years, you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa. the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit of government countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the

really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this? we okay, this define governor governor to z d. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them, of course, is human rice delivery. a bunch of patient is here today. i don't, the boxes are corner me, then please. the human developments and the rules of security and the picture. the bishop is really mix. yes. to course, over the last 10 years, i forgot made the point of progress in the area of introspection and human development, mental educational because i had a non secured, not security as little of little is going down. and actually why,

why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a, it's, it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the effective as like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the farmers. and if that's not to manage, it ends up. it's a basic, a conflicts that happened in the for i didn't have a claimant on legitimate, but she is then using the dish just to sort out the probably the end up and see $100000.00 people get. so it is, it, is, it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element you you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these

so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across south africa? protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think john, john, people are looking at what's happening and custom weatherstone. banners. so then for the test to use in today's shed, jenna. but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organizational route. there's no time off for him to have an army. he couldn't get into the support forces and called him him id, you know, and just have that for him at the is my board section. and the, the collision center is just have the army. his party has the main issue. he had all the stuff which is just kind of just quotes. so to use, hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or go to the buys. what volume you this

city for them. oh gosh, a. this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. they would not accept at tyler and he would not accept the death of ships. and they went to the city till 3. it is now green solution for them because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say you say that you say that, but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and by government. it seems that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now, a slim majority, there's a majority is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past that has to be dangerous for them. of course,

at least it is dangerous and the problem is you take guinea for example, we have to have a difficulty abusing fall off his power and then trying to deal with the constitution someplace the, the, the, the position i'm fed and a guy who was the democrat, before getting follow, then power gets to his head and now being data. when electrical care, my game is this guy, you understand why people say all as one of the fruit goods they do for him. so don't know, 3, this important political. happy to get rid of the really a quarter of a civilian who really abusing the constitution. i'm losing his body if uh yeah. its spectrum. good for me though. but then, but then the problem is you are, you are replacing, the sucking was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesn't work like that. that's why i, i us be,

will need to live that there is also a loss to to seek z for of a bad z that's. it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is, that is the sort of ended up man. i suppose usability cool again. is that somebody effort to the 2nd but the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong man. unfortunately this is something we can passion of work with only in africa. our guys in africa, lou cut out on the seat or just feeling meant strong mean all over the place. you know, and we have something that steps will have. the key was russia will have china web for the beans. what. how many strong men of them we see this fraction of strong people is, is coming back again. one of the best i was,

i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, or, or the about why i cannot be like to look at and why cannot be like this is a painful, strong man, unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is not an african phenomenon. it's a global phenomena. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since we're done at the moment, one to the violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. go back in 2010. the new york times bureau chief, east africa, reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most domestic despite, as he said, what bevels with the cause, they would predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case?

it is. it is unfortunate the paper that a number come with some countries are, but i think i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished. i'm thought that was you. cool. you know the disease at a, in the 70 sixties and seventies where every morning we used to have a cool with some living ethnic. we thought that this finished unfortunate is coming back and something we need to be careful about as send that goodness. an extra is a question. i mean, i know it is, is today is to say this, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa? why do we do that? what does the job of the items the item is suppose to protect you on the board that or who is it and the applicant can to be setting i don't have applicant categories to, to have any, was the between african countries. i don't recall any why you need the arms who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades when i want the one to come on to that and yeah,

i'm in a moment to, to i, i just, i don't think we need it, it is all nice and those guys has been goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the copy that. i mean, what's his last week? so those government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business. what was happening inside 2000 was an internal affair. they said, and the student needs armed forces. so of course of launched attacks, and this strikes intensely populate disability. and the reason the capital is you said they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constituted by the government? that's not. that's not the shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have the address is people just took it by paula by guns. yeah. look you lifted that no to dive, look at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making. busy a lot of shows in general,

those on the f i live or things acting, bouncing this while the african states that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes they do? what is the problem? is the applicant here that hasn't well just on the bottom me for a long time in which i just started the force of the epic. i knew any i could be finite and should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim and those of dental wrist and whatever. unfortunately, ethic under that hasn't, hasn't good. it has plenty of good intentions, doesn't to. but the 2003 and i saw the motor power. what what, what happens assignments for guns by one and 220. yes. what happens? what? what about the sort of the accounts? so get the plastic. i know what i want to go to because what it is including accounts. i think a lot of people have forgotten about the square to cause is defined by the veto is of the 5 comes, i guess it's by lice. but what is the whole bubbly order, isn't it makes the whole problem, the whole or the whole world of this, you know,

all these global instructions. i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you the dfcs doesn't have the means to look, so they've got all the suppressed. i think he's more under the age which included the accounts of kind of even the. so we're not seeing much of that. as far as i know the, this is that did it and finish incidentally that we had to come for us 2 weeks ago and we had most of our keywords or now guys in the conference and just clear what the stand ones they want to do. at that, if it's, if it comes to kind of to see what i can look even expressed on obedient and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to do you, have you talk to either of the generals that are causing this concept to sit down at the moment? i know i, i don't have enough common ground either to start the conversation. i believe was guys of goodness that should end up and take will they?

if i to i whole then i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of it was one day it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i literally said, oh, what, but she had a stroke and nobody could touch him. he wasn't prison. so what happened to court? what happened to african quotes, pushing for african solutions, and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. i o. projected to there is an attempt to replace ices. he was an african court. i don't think that was the right decision. actually it's and again, you look at the way that quote is going to georgia, which it cannot. it cannot, but it's cute but is it is just for the cable itself and the other 2 for me. exactly. sure. so i, as i said july as i yeah. is this going to end up really persecuting taxi

drivers and official men? but the not my courts can do that. why was this special court? it's, it's, it just, it city, it just some visits wants to executive sense from vice receipts. and that was a bundle of what to do. i'm sorry about that. so then no quick fixes for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region. so maybe spread to west stuff for has that. what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up until then. we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits, who it was, all these will continue to hold. what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved, so you gotta be as involved, both of them. fine. so it shows up the ethnic i knew and yeah, this involved and yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. so our messages,

yeah. most of those guys would have to be conference in there will be our foundation. i know those guys was there and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice or do you never can. so this was one voice, and we need to ensure that we would this fire out, we need to buy and any exports of items to the division of death. and we need to attend, be able to look either we have or we're going to go off to you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes less than the group? of course, um, 5 minute for instance, notorious in ukraine and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students on acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them many of the ships

in the number of western countries. this being comes to nation, that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa, mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for them, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputy to be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the uh uh, gaming the the violation of the silver and see what else i can see. so the crate of your claim and maybe african people's head. excuse me. what did america do? and they had, i was actually against was that not breach of security. so for the other countries. so why did they condemn both but from

us to woods. this is a new show for what was a little bit media on the lice. i think you had mentioned which is what is the new ocean because your money object it to the invasion of that act. but is long for us to what is it as usual because any excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral. really the side effect, the, as it is kind of, she is your boy. i, that is it, is i the collection of rules or those you give me out of that. it was only applies to russia, not us. let's not be, hey, because this is appropriate. this is to a problem, we need to look at the middle, or sometimes i'm the relies. what do we say and what you do, what happens in libya, would then brokerage this company. we never put it together, but again, is this acceptable? what do you make, look, i'm not going to be honest and dealing with this stuff. so it's not like the width

is in the why it on or romantic? nobody say that. okay, so, so don't, let's you don't collection of other people and say, you look icon them and i think it is a problem is i'll acceptable for russia to evade euclid. and there's no question back in the same place. i have condemned american invasion of over that act because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules, you should, the applies to everybody, you know, exceptionally is what we bring. what do you make of america's charge last week that south africa had load it onto a sanctioned russian fighter? if you make of that i, i'm really confused. exactly as to why done by some of these

guys as well. we only have south africa's version. so saying, he apologized that he did not know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't nice know south africa says he apologized to that but. but then they denied the judge, but when it, when they did denied, the wording was on big us, they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something that took place that i paid with would. i'm afraid that social advocate has a number of issues i think and where is easy? where is the government? i think in c, broberg we is losing it's. it's a grip on power effectively as it some somewhere today that is possible is that to

them before they even know that we have of what happened. they cannot admit that because they say ok this instead of what if he's at with i'd say the light is also terrible. i've that made a comfortable song. i was also a medical reports now a more accurate zone before. uh, i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda, of a section on the which is of the game, but obviously, actually, but during throwing war, the americans have been very accurate and they both to so i need to judge not and i don't know what does it to. so what happened death, but i notice digital division of governance in south africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have left, we talked a lot about what african countries have or haven't done. what do you,

what the west to face briefly? what do you want the west to 5? i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with that way. look at what is happening here. go with kim. and you'll have to be probably all you to be on the that's 20. you'll be a lead, an applicant leads us signed and that's out of published in 50. nobody's safe unless everybody says applicant, the support we need to $100000000.00 budget and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then we will hold, holding coffee, nice to the nationalist and the other guys, even our headset, the supports, nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then let's see if i'm this everybody see if they know that. so right,

know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after we left for the summit. 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different more. that's very important. look at the after, got that. so there's no cover it $23000.00 out of sitting here everywhere. getting money in america, us and, and break it auto seen is $23.00 young dollars off. we're going to go look at these in their money. okay. and now does it say, what is happening when you create has a problem when greece has a financial problem via the bank, immediately searches out now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of the 2 years? does it act? and you want them to close it out and you want them to come down also on the list

it cash and this is fine. the lowest, the $100000000000.00 a $100000000000.00 they get most living on advocate will wisdom companies sunday night and price me back on the best pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of shifting and you know that i'm sick. i just want you to act so with these really the bits of the heavy i'm from our friends and the list. so it is a bit out of when it, or the bits of financial institution, because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by wisdom most do know some ideas on the boards, etc. there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys and supposed to be the customer to decline. so this of this balance, that's why these banks would focus on greece or focusing on your credit, right. but so the lack of where to submit to the board that doesn't know what is

what does that be a small even we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. signing on. come fix on that and see if she is. thank you. the

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