different, risky, irresponsible, unreasonable, old stuff. and i want my son to become a doctor to indicate it's time to, to and then when generations cash thoughts january 14th on d, w. as with so many african come fix. the latest fighting into don has brought death misery to huge numbers of civilians. but this time, even the un has been shocked by what zip code the unprecedented speed of this integration. whatever happens to africa's low last promise to silence the guns bo abraham 6 ounces to such questions. these are suit, denise born bridges, billionaire, for the foundation, the researches africa's problems and rewards those who try to solve them. does he ever lose faith in africa? the feedbacks in some countries, unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we,

we would find a way for one of the core of africa's problems. he says this bad governance for why is it still so prevalent? how was it that african leaders voted themselves immunity from prosecution for the most serious crimes and what's behind the refuse, or some states to condemn most goes invasion of ukraine? is it paid back for the rows of colonial occupies but we bring him some more. welcome to come pick some thanks to us. you've tried so many years to promote that governance in africa. in some countries you've had some success, but the violence never seems to go away and sit on the country of your bus decades of fighting. another killing has become again, an honest how personal is this conflict to you?

is very best at standard work. and i'll be able to have this, i've done this. and what we have here is 2 sides to this. fighting a button in, in our capital. each side wants power and was power comes financial. this was, this is instead of the story and this is tory of for just a minute to the course is essentially old story unfortunately. and enough is enough for all those guys, despite the treasures by both sides, to respect humanitarian principles. that hasn't been the slightest effort to avoid civilian casualties. why is that? they don't care? absolutely. i don't see the shift. each of them think they can. somehow when this don't, they cannot be a,

we're not here to kind of be we're not the only who's us ever this find is losing. and so then these people are losing the little and for flesh that we have is being destroyed, detective really isn't a mess. and most civilians are buying them, sold. yes. it's it is, it is very sent. do you ever lose face in africa? no. despite to this, that's going to yeah, that's one can be out of $54.00 guns coatings on index in the last over the last 10 years. you know, we would use an index, somebody, you have governance in africa. are the majority of episodes of applicants living in a bit doesn't govern countries that 10 years ago. so are moving forward. that's it backs in some countries. unfortunately, one of them is my country. but we, we would find a way for what but this conflict is you've also said is taking place against the

really dismal tapestry of backsliding. democracy as the number of states, bad governments. you've quoted africa's own goal. and you said we are responsible for how much of africa shit is your sense of responsibility for this? we okay. this the funding governor, governor to z d. i bought a number of, of, of deliverables. one of them of course, is human rice delivery. a bunch of dish and they say it's not i don't have boxes, you know, corner me then is a human developments. and there's a ruler security. and the bitch of the bishop is really mix yes. course over the last 2 years after got made a little bit of progress in the area of infrastructure and human development bits of educational based on hand, but non secured, no security, i'm sort of low, is going down and actually why,

why is the connection between the 2 that the problem is marginalization of minorities and sometimes a or it's inclusion, a creative assessment. uh. then you have also extend the factors like climate change with your end up with conflicts between they have those of the 5 months. and if that's not to manage, it ends up because there is a conflict. so that can happen in the 4th. i didn't have a claim in a legitimate, but she has been using malicious to sort out the probably that end up and see 100000 people get. so it is it is it mismanagement also of natural disaster habiting because of climate. that's one element. you, you said earlier this year we started to see qu data, which we saw it was something in the past. we started to see this phenomena of a strong man. it's something we need to fight back against. how do you fight these

so called strong men who are entrenched in the countries across out africa, protected sometimes by foreign policy, often by criminal games that kill for the sake of it. how. how do you fight back against these? i think young young people are looking at what's having and thoughtful, where the strong binder and so that for the test he is in today's shed general, but she was infection about $430.00 is created for this military organizational route and there's no time off for him to have an army, he committed to the support forces and called him him id. you know, it just hasn't. for him, it is my board fiction and the, the collision center just has an army. his party has him an issue. he had ordered the stuff, which is just curriculum and this course. so to use, hit the same kids who grew up on the he's or those are the guys were dying in the

city for the most a. this is a and b will will give us whole because they will not accept the soldier. they will not accept a tylen need. they will not accept the death of ships and you went to just to the, to 3, it is now going solution. so then, because the young people would not accept this or just you, you say i, can you say that you say that? but that's one of the more depressing by products of conflict and back governance is that africans are showing increasing tolerance for the role of military and politics according to afro barometer report last month. that view is particularly strongly young people, 18 to 35 year old. after a barometer reported that over the last decade, opposition to military rule has declined significantly. now, a slim majority, there's a majority is willing to accept military intervention if elected officials abuse the past that has to be dangerous for them. of course,

at least it is dangerous and the problem is you take guinea for example, we have to have as look on the app using boss is power and then trying to day was the constitution suppressed the, the, the, the was issue. i'm fed and a guy who was the democrat before getting follow didn't power gets to his head. and now being the data. when electrical came again, is this guy you understand why people say, oh, as one's definitely good today to for him. so definitely this important political data heavy to get rid of the really a corner of civilian who really abusing the constitutional end up losing his body if uh yeah, its spectrum. good for me though. so, but then, but then the problem is you are, you are a blessing, the song was a different, i mean that, that is, it doesn't look like that. that's why i, i, us,

people need to live that there is also enough to to seek the 4 of the bad z that's. it's also important to know what you're going for. and this is that, is it sort of ended up mid. i suppose you committed to cool again, is that somebody and for to the 2nd but the tim, tim, about about the, the, the, the strong men. unfortunately, this is something we can passion of work. look only in africa. our guys in africa look at out. i'm the see or just plain been strong, mean all over the place. you know, and we have probably not states will have the key was russia will have china we had for the beans. what, how many strong men of them we see this fraction of a strong board is,

is coming back again. what about this? and i was, i look at this and say all that is wonderful when it comes to do like, are already about and why i cannot be like to look at and why cannot be like yeah, this is a time for a strong man unfortunately. and we need to wake up to that is not an applicant phenomenon. it's a global phenomenon. i'd like to talk back and go back to the bottom of this has taken place since the done at the moment um, one to violence according to the un, which should both sides trampling on humanitarian. now, back in 2010, the new york times bureau chief, east africa reported on how come back in africa had moved from soldier verse a soldier to soldier versus civilian the most of acid. despite, as he said, what bevels with the cause, they were predators. and for them, tara became not just a means, but an end. to what extent is that still the case?

it is. it is unfortunate to paper that a number come with some countries of last week. i'll have seen like a blank was in the list in the last few years. unfortunately, we thought we finished invest. that was you cool. you know the disease at a and to 76. these are seventies. where every morning we used to have a course i'm living. i think we saw that this finished unfortunate is coming back. and something we need to be careful about is send that game is an extra is a question. i mean, i know it is. it's the visual series, but in all honesty, do we need armies in africa. why do we need it? what does the job of the items the item is suppose to protect? you have bought this. who is it in the applicant category? so i think i don't have applicant categories to the have any, was the between applicant categories. i don't recall any. why do you need the arms? who's been though, is this money to get those guys, bags and guns an arrow blades?

when i want the one to come on to that and yeah, i'm in a moment to to i, i just, i don't think we need it. it is all nice and those guys has been goals as many of them. and then they come much with us with the copy that i mean what is last week. so does government told the un human rights council that it was basically none of the u. n's business? what was happening inside to done was an internal affair. they said, and the student is armed forces. so of course of launched attacks. and this strikes intensely populated subsidiaries in the capital, as you said, they were simply doing their constitutional duty. what do you say to a government like that? does it make you angry for the hobby bombing its own people in the capital is just doing its constituted by the government? that's not. that's not a shipment. what causes those guys government? it's the only government they have. i just it always people just took it by paula by guns. yeah. no to lift it. no to drive, look at it, but yeah, i mean, those guys just, you know, making. busy a lot of shows in general,

those on the f i live or things act announcing this while the african states to that african union actually is, is, is suspended. so then that's it. that's all they've done. what else comes they do? what is the problem? is applicant here and it hasn't well, just on the bottom me for a long time, english at this time, the force of the african you and you actually find 9 should be on then it is able to go and deal with all of those claim. and as of categories and whatever, unfortunately, africa internet hasn't, hasn't good. it has plenty of good. the tensions doesn't to but the 2003 and i saw the amount of power. what, what, what happens asylums for guns by one and 220. yes. what happens, what, what about the sort of the concepts? so it gets a plastic, i need to double check with you guys what it is, including accounts. i think a lot of people forgotten about the security cause is defined by the veto, is that the 5 cause, i guess, is by lice. but what is the whole bubbly or dollar isn't a mess the whole public, the whole, or the whole world of this. you know,

or the global instruction, i miss you quoted accounts. it is important. cannot do anything. yeah. for can you the dfcs doesn't have the means to accept it. they've had all the extra bliss. i think he's more of the ridge which included the accounts of kind of even thing. so we're not seeing much of that. as far as i know that's the, this is that did it. and finish incidentally, did we have the confidence 2 weeks ago, i had most of our keywords on the old guys in the conference and was clear, what do you stand once you want to do that? if it's your village come sit down. no, don't see what i can look even, but it's on obedient and what's going on for them. shift for you have access all over the come to the you. have you talk to either the generals that are causing this concept to sit down at the moment? no i, i don't have enough common ground even to start the conversation. i believe was guys of goodness they should then allow me to take will they,

if i to i hold. ready i hope so. what's the, what's the chance of it was one day. it would come one day look. but she had ended up in prison. i literally said, oh, what, but she industry, nobody could touch him. he wasn't prison. so what happened to court? what happened to african codes pushing for african solutions and offering african accountability by what happened to that i thought from guinea and central african republic, where the trial i think is important to support the i. c. c. i o projected to there's an attempt to replace icy without an applicant court. so i don't think that was the right decision actually. and again, you look at the way that quote was good you too, which is which is cannot. it cannot, but it's cute but is it is yes, i gave one cells and the other 2 for me to go back here. so i asked, i said, why is i yeah. is this going to end up really persecuting taxi drivers

and official men? but the not my courts can do that. why was this special court? it's, it's, it just, it's city. it just some visits wants to protect themselves from vice and see. and that was a bundle of what to do a i'm sorry about that. so we're gonna do a quick fix is for this was done that's going on and it will spread to the region, so maybe spread to well west stuff. what has that? what about south? so don, is that next? okay, is it a different institution? so, so that i've come to it, but i think we cannot give up until then. we'll have to deal with it quickly before the fire splits. fluid was all these will continue to hold what i mean as it is very encouraging to see united states is involved. so you gotta be as involved, both of them. phantom shows up the ethnic i do and you have this in volume and yeah, it does involve the cost is invalid. so our messages, yeah,

most of those guys would have to be conference in that will be our foundation and those guys was there. and the message to everybody is we need to speak with one voice now or the other voice. or do you need to cancel? this was one voice. and we need to ensure that we would this fire out, we need to buy and any x most of our to the division of death. and we need to, to be able to look either we have or we're going to go off to you to you to util, telling me about foreign armies being in african countries. i think there are 13 foreign armies actually at the moment in various african countries. how healthy do you think it is for africans to, to welcome in rushes musson to the group. of course, um, 5 minute, for instance, inventory as a new crane and not expanding its footprint across from tops of students that are acceptable. and you'll notice who invited them many seats

in the number of western countries that's being comes to the nation. that some african countries have been ambivalent to, in the case of south africa mutual over russia's invasion of ukraine. is this payback for the west for them, for the wrongs of the colonial era is that while i know the rule is the colona, the deputy to be fact judge illusion. america is usually called for the a, a good game in the violation of the silver and t. but why does that consist of you create of your claim? and maybe after can be, was head, excuse me. what did america do? any of that was that was that not breach of security. so for the other countries. so why did they cut them both in a 2nd,

but from us towards this, the distribution for what was a little bit media on lice. i think you had mentioned which is sort of a new ocean because your money objected to the invasion of that i what is wrong for us to what is it as a new shot? because any excuse me, you have him to correct that is neutral. really the side, but i think the as it is kind of, she is your boy. i that is it, is i the collection of rules or those you can me or out of the who is the only applies to russia, not us. let's not be heavy. ok, this is appropriate, this is to a problem. we need to look at the middle or sometimes the relies. what do we say and what you do? what happens in libya would then brokerage this country. we never would have to be able to get is that acceptable? what do you make? look i, i, let's, let's be honest,

i'm dealing with this stuff. so it looked like the width is the why it on or the mac? nobody side. okay, so, so don't lift, you don't collection of other people and say, you look icon them and i think it is a problem is i'll acceptable for russia to evade euclid. and there's no question, but in the same place i've called the american envision of over that act because this is, is equivalence. and we need to remember that, i just hope that people, when you talk about the natural rules just applies to everybody. you know, exceptionally, molly. but what do you make of america's charge last week that south africa had loaded onto a sanctioned russian freighter? if you make of that child i, i'm really confused exactly as to why the bus that i will

just as well. we only have south africa's versions. so saying he apologized that he didn't know what was your tell, he didn't apologize in public. oh, i saw a guy who wrote that in bbc website actually that he didn't, i know south africa says he apologize to that but, but then they denied the judge. but when it, when they did denied, the wording was on big us. they said we didn't approve any arms to russia. it wasn't sanctioned or approved by us. i suggest that was something to some place that i paid with would i'm afraid that south africa has a number of issues i think. and where is easy? where is the government? uh, i think in c, broberg we is losing its its agreeable impala effectively as it

some somewhere today that is possible is that the mobile is that even though that we have of what happens. they cannot admit that because they say ok, this is terrible if he's at with as he's in light, is also terrible of their medical. they're both wrong. i was also a medical reports now more accurately done before. uh i mean, drink act. it has a web as of mazda and a section on the, which is a kim, loud this actually budgeting throat in the world. the amenities have been very accurate in a board meeting. so i did, it does not, and i don't know what does to. so what happened there, but i notice danger to innovation of governments and tests, africa was big public about this. right? in the time we have last we took to learn about what african countries have or

haven't done. what do you, what the west fate briefly, what do you want the west to do? 5. i think i think the west need really to we have in a much with our way look at what is happening here. go with the game and you'll have to be probably all you to be on the that's 20. you'll be at least i think at least that was signed and that was published in 50. nobody save on this eval to what do you see if i look at the support we need to $100000000.00, which is it and then nothing happens. good with but no the, it's nothing done. then we will hold, holding coffee next to the nationalist and the other guys, even our headset, the supports nothing. okay. and that was the, the bad behavior tv. but at this job, because then then we'll see if i'm this everybody see if they know that. so right,

know and gauge now for the same as i know it's after you left for the summit. 60 you africa. so yeah, that's what this you have to confirm. it was good it, but you can see the different more that's very important. look at the after, got that. so there's no cover it $2300.00. out of said yes, everyone get a money in america. us and, and bridget also seen is $23.00 young dollars. i figured it's good not lives in the money. okay. and now does it face what is happening? so when you create has a problem, when greece has a financial problem, the fund, will it bank immediately search it out. now what's happening in zambia, what's happening instead of going to years? does it act and you want them to apply with that? um and you want them to come down also on the list it cash and this is find the

close to a $100000000000.00 a $100000000000.00. they get most of the got, well, wisdom companies like united pricing and the best pricing and broke it down. you know, a lot of of shifting, and they know that i'm sick, i just want you to act so with these really the bits of the heavy i'm for my friends of the list. so it is a bit out of what is all of them who did have a bit of financial institution because these financial institution, i'm not said of in this house that dominated by width and most of the, you know, some ideas on the boards, etc. there's no voice in the board decision institutions from the guys are supposed to be the customer of the clients of this, of these banks. that's why these banks would focus on greece or focusing on your credit. right? but so they like, go with it. so that's why is that what the boards that doesn't know, what is,

what does that be a small even we run out of time. thank you very much indeed. dining on the complex, i'm going to give you just talk to the

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