unreasonable all stuff. what is this nonsense? i want my son to become a doctor, to in the clouds. it's time to to and then when generations clash, january 14th on the w. 2 months and so the guys of war america is still insisting, as well as killing too many palestinians for the administration is also on the pressure itself. this time from an unprecedented number of its own officials. the members of the democratic party protested yet this devising support for the war. aaron, david miller was a former senior official, the state department. he says the timing is good for the president. if this were playing out in october 2024, i think it would have a, a very significant impact on what promises to be

a very close election. miller is now is the economy endowment for international peace with funds you have experience negotiating with israel and the palestinians? what does he think of as ro, tactics in battle, and what kind of country might emerge from this confidence? david miller, welcome to complex zone. with jim, it's pleasure to be here. thanks for having me. israel risks strategic defeat if it goes on killing civilians at the current rate and gaza. this last week from the us defense secretary lloyd austin was this is close to a public rep for him on those washington will go or is the administration just, but you signaling for public consumption, having the ministration, frankly, the rhetoric increasing, rhetoric, impatience, restoration with the humanitarian catastrophe and gaza and the rising number exponentially of cost. and in this, i think, reflects, is defined by the divide mysteries and one hand, the administration of,

from the get go is tethered is a itself, israel's orange, which are very ambitious eradication of a mouse as military and infrastructure above and below, around freedom of august. and the killing of at least 2 of the 2 top leaders. uh yeah. history warren, on a day full plan, the october 7, 7 terrace surge. but to take the same time, they're under enormous pressure internally. and externally, i think they have signal do these rallies privately on this issue. an issue of time a lot. these rallies weren't much you ministration. i'm told privately. i said, do these really? you have weeks, they are not prepared yet. i think to say that publicly, no american president and i've worked for half a dozen ministration republicans and democrats wants to fight with it is really prime minister chalkboard is massey. it can be politically costly. and frankly, based on my experience with some exceptions and there it can be counter counter

productive. so based on who joe biden is, and the butchery of october 7, i think it's going to take some effort still to move him to the point where these i would term them. i don't think virtually signaling is the right word. i think they're cautionary advisories. they may even be warning. what the real question is, a warning without a cost or consequence is just that. it's a warning and how they keep warning, go back, they keep warning, but has it, has israel stop listening to the us? stop listening. i think it's this is my analytical view. it's certainly not pretty, and it's not comforting in terms of the exponential rise in palestinian destin shepherd. it is magical thinking, magical. think to believe that it and area twice the size of the district of columbia. with $2300000.00 people,

2 thirds of home have been been displaced at least once, maybe twice with the population density of anywhere from 18221000 humans per square mile. that you can achieve israel's military objectives. particularly how much is embedding in an around under, on top of civilian facilities and populations. and you can achieve those objectives without doing catastrophic car. and that is um, that is priced in now, is it best catastrophic. com as far as this route is concerned, they're gonna keep pushing back against these warnings. i think that these rallies are made of judgment. that in the wake of act, october 7 in the hostages, which is a, an issue with a dynamic that keeps on driving the anger, the resentment, the frustration on the part of the mattress is government,

which is the most right wing extremist in the history of the state of israel, the bottom of the top part of the local a part of is really is generally there's tremendous support for these words. october 7 was a degree of watching the israeli palestinian conflict to into fighters through 4 or 5 is really how mosque are do sions? several is really lebanese wars were, palestinians were involved this, that level of violence exceeds anything that we've ever witnessed in terms of it's indiscriminate killing that said, as an extra tally. and, and i think this is important and not fully appreciate the, i'm just reporting here. so please don't shoot me the contract between the government then and those who govern was fundamentally rooted on october 7th. the contracted most israelis make with their government is very simple,

were prepared to agree to mandatory military were prepared to put our sons and daughters in harms way with the real possibility that they can be seriously injured or killed. by an exchange you the government guarantee to be extended, humanly possible, our security and our normal, which failed to do, which it has collectively failed to do. and i think that dynamic influence is, i know he's really don't like the notion of the term vengeance intervention. but i cannot believe if you are a member of these really intelligence establishment. i'm interviewing next week, both former head of should bed and the former head of most john, if you are a member of the intelligence community or these really military, this sense of guilt for what you failed to anticipate and operationally,

what you failed, how you failed to respond for as many as 12 hours. once the tear search began, i can cannot help but effect, influence and drive the determination of these relays. if you asked me, are they prioritizing the lives, are the rooms soldiers over the lives of palestinian civilians in garza? the last, almost 2 months now, i think tomorrow is the 2nd month beginning the 2nd month of this conflict. the answers are, of course, they are, like most military and i, i, i, i, i pressed military american military experts, folks who actually been involved, david trey is in lieu john mosul. nobody has come up with an answer to the problem with how you do what these really want to do without endangering the

population. the answer is, i guess he's really should not be doing what they're doing then. then you end up with a, i don't even know how to a conundrum. i don't know how these really operate wherever stream surgical backlash and there is considerable backlash among political appointees last month, 500 political point. ease of the bite and administration, representing around 40 government agencies, wrote to the president to protest at his support for israel in the war. i wanted to ask you how rare it is, but so many people were moved to object on a key foreign policy issue. yes, press enter, my i will say i worked with the pharmacy for 25 years for half a dozen in ministrations, republicans and democrats. i was not in government during the vietnam, but i must say, i have never, ever seen a degree of internal turmoil. remember, we don't have many resignation,

so we're not talking about a synonymy of protests that lead to resignation. another matter for civil servants, certainly a political appointee to consider resigning over principal lab, takes a lot of courage to do what i've seen there. but we are seeing it on the staff level congress, the white house department of state usa, i. d. not to mention the public pressure on their progressive democrats or bringing human mainstream democrats or bring if this, if this were playing out in october of 2024. i think it would have a, a very significant impact on what promises to be a very close election and it might still have that impact. i mean, we are, we are only a year away from the presidential election. right. oh, you know, i have to remind myself, sometimes in american politics that here is still an attorney, the any number of other issues are going to be higher on the minds of republican

and democratic motors and independence like the economy, for example, well, the economy. so i'm not prepared to make it to turn to the i, i just don't think we go and that's, that's a good conclusion. i think that people will follow american politics on the granular level. i do not. oh, would probably tell you was, well, we just, we just don't know, but if you freeze framed it right now, i can't imagine young american motors, air of americans, michigan, critically important state dearborn, the anger, the frustration is passed and it's not just directed against these railways i mean it all that often more morse and do involves too much darker sort of dimensions. why can't i send that to them? it's also angry at the administration. and this, this is what's moving. i think at least the public mood. i need those operation

with some of the whatever the administration has or hasn't done to come concerns in its own ranks about it's israel policy, there appears to be a huge gulf in the us and is really visions of the future. just a few days ago. we had cobbler harris, the vice president directly addressing israel's talk of creating a security buffer zone between guys in israel. the us would not permit, she said, not permit the redrawing of the borders of gaza. is that just more tough talk or is there is now looking like an immovable read la time for washington? well, you know, the administration has been clear in the numerator and for what i call the 4 or 5 no is related to post concert guys. guys will not be used as a platform to launch chair the we know force relocation of the population that we know reduction in territory. garza in the west bank constitute a storage unit. and i'm presumptive notion that that a 2 state solution,

which is the ministrations you how this should all land um is still very current. i think there is a merging between the ministrations notion of there should be no reduction of territory. and israel's intention, we don't know, you know, not even 50 in new york or delphi reading the best of coding trails can tell you the cam right now. how this is going to and the one thing is unmistakably clear to me. they'll be know, mission accomplished, sort of speech on the part of these early defense forces, and then they're leaving god with no transitional mechanism. to guarantee a mazda is resurgence pertaining resurgence, there will be as longest residual as long as they know mazda elements. i suspect that will continue to operate and pose how fundamental problem i can't say. but these riddles are not simply going to pull out what they're going to do is,

is to create and they will try to ensure the ministration that is simply a function of a transitional issue until some sort of mechanism can be worked out and maintain whatever it is whatever your, you know, your magical thinking of it does, your is an error to try and force hardly likely an international force is a possibility. us is that already said his are contributing its own forces with britain and france. contribute forces. so when come comma harris says, we want to see a unified west bank and gaza on the palestinian authority and palestinian voices and aspirations must be at the center of this what it's not going to happen. visit in the at least as far as israel is concerned. but let's be clear. we haven't even talked about the impact of this on, on these really politics. the average length of it is really government since independence is 1.8 years this december, mr. newton. yeah,

i was government most stream right wing supremacy is top homophobic government in the history of the state of israel, which is one year or more. i don't want like making predictions. i don't think there is a mechanism right now to remove benjamin. nothing now is own party does not have a history of devouring its own. and each from our bank of year and this allows mode fridge. the tooth stream is ministers. see god, frankly, as a positive distraction for them to carry out there, continue to carry out their policy just trying to an extra westbank and every any but name only. you cannot create a stable situation guys, a lot. we get to the pursuit of a, a, a meaningful negotiations. and 2 state solution with this is really got a full stop. there has to be a political reckoning. there will be in $73.00 after until october 6, 7 was the greatest intelligence failure in the history of the states. uh, there was a state commission of inquiry in a report was fire fire maybe 8 months after the war. it did not identify the mayor

government or my here in particular or as having responsibility, but she was forced to reside under and under a prep poll. pleasure. it it, it, undermined in greg's credulity to the breaking point to believes that a year from now the benjamin at danielle will still be heading this particular government. but there is in that critical year, this is why it's so important between now and november of 2024. this is the period where the administration needs to have a policy toward what to do in gaza and how to link it. how that tethered to the pursuit of a political rise and serious political arise based on 2 states. i know people said that 2 states solutions gone the way of the dodo. i do not believe that this crisis has demonstrated 11 thing with terrified clarity to me. and that is,

there is absolutely no way is realism, palestinians are gonna live happily ever after, in one house, either in one state solution or a by natural state. it makes no sense. they are going to have to separate through negotiations. that's the key into something that approximates 2 states with border security, jerusalem, refugees, end of conflict at all, claims on the table negotiated seriously. i would, i would argue us as per be a good, honest broker, effective mediator. it's not saying it's not seen as an honest broker in the products among palestinians as well. is it a meanwhile, israel continues ignoring demands from the white house. isn't the america going to start looking pretty? we come in to national stage when it comes to this real, the gap between our words in our deeds have always been more or less grand canyon. i mean,

they haven't been time. you're familiar with 1956 as of mine i as in our threatened sanctions is really did not withdraw from china. they did ronald reagan, delayed delivery invest exchange over his roles, the extension of administrative law. i'm going to go on, i'd say overall tools. there are tools that washington can use basis. my review isn't what they must do. is set a frame, a public referential frame that puts the united states clearly unequivocally and publicly on the record as saying exactly what it believes needs to evolve. i don't think this is going to be a, an issue for a 1st turn by the administration. we're going to be running out of time. but if the president is re elected, you could see a serious effort. in the 2nd term you're going to need leadership is really is not

capable right now of entering into any serious negotiation with discovery and the palestinian boss now in the 19th year before year term with no credibility to cancel elections in 2021 also is not capable to making those sorts of decisions. so that, that's the problem in your view, to what extent does washington have to distance itself from the more controversial methods that as well as employing on the bathroom feel? i mean, versus where are you on the accusations that israel has imposed collective punishments on the people of gaza? well, i think the blockade, which was the 1st at the ease or at least took in the wake of the terror serge on october 7, could easily be interpreted as their new shoes of distinction, proportionality, which the 2 key legal concepts of international humanitarian law. i think there's

no doubt you have to be detached from reality to driving or a conclusion that these is really rules of engagement have expand? how could, how could they not, even if you don't fully masses of power stain, ministry of health stat. and by the way, i learned for the 1st time today that those, those figures include not just civilians, but come back, you're no distinction made between the 2. but even if you believe those are inflated significantly that zach $15000.00, including $5000.00 or most fighters, these really claim they've killed. you're talking about an export that an exponential rise in bellas. gimme a das which is extraordinary. do you think the bite and administration is afraid of criticizing israel? remember what happened to jimmy carter? he was pillar at most of the 3 when he talked about the criticism of the condition and they occupied territories was never jimmy carter was a and

a nurse respect for courier in terms there would have been no egyptian drawing peach tree without jimmy carter. but your mind is not jimmy car. joe. mine is alone among american president. a guy who is preacher naturally has been throughout most of his career halls career. so i should go visual. he considers himself literally part and parcel of these really scare a story and he's dealt with every legal. every is what is really little projecting . no job. i has secondary not in terms of his support for his question is can that support be used to have not just to have the uncomfortable conversations, but at some point to basically say benjamin isn't yeah. what else? because it's harming america's reputation as well. by standing close to an ally that is doing the things that nothing yahoo is doing. i think that certainly the, the key consideration on the part of part of these really is whether or not is this

administration has reached a conclusion that my proposition, that it's magical thinking to believe that israel kind of jewish subjected to without a reading, tremendous harm on the palestinian population, whether that be that's no big deal. i don't know. i do. i do think this however, it would be no hostage releases without drove by. it would be no humanitarian a into god without job i. there's no question about that. and there isn't that much any way, is there? well, we need more. and over the last 48 hours, again, my understanding administration under enormous pressure from the administration has agreed even as their operational tempo picks up in the south to increase in the amount of humanitarian assistance, but no amount of a man at tearing assistance that is being allowed and could even begin to deal with the humanitarian catastrophe that's occurring in winter's coming. and i just,

i mean i, i don't know how to reconcile these 2 things to you. i mean, i, i really don't, i don't know if i mean, if i were part of this administration, i'm not sure what i would advise and whether or not that advice would be taken seriously because i do not do not see. and i think this is part of the problem why the administration lacks leverage. it cannot offer to these rules a compelling all turn it in to how to accomplish it from your end to which and, and drop by the doors. those words that october 10th speech, which set the stage swift, comprehensive, and decisive, think those were the 3 words at the present use. to say, that's how america would approach this problem. if what happened to israel october

7 had happened to the united states swift, comprehensive, and decisive? i don't, i don't have any answer for you, which i readily admitted. maybe i'm not smart enough. i just don't see how you do this. that means that at some point, administration may say no, i don't know how long it was. you would take these release to accomplish their objectives, or if in fact they can accomplish them at all. what kind of israel do you think is gonna emerge from this war? we're seeing continued violent spite settlers against palestinians in the west bank . no move to whole that despite biden's warning that it must stop, there are also reports of arrest, job losses and interrogations. for those who dissent from the war, what kind of country very briefly, do you think as well as becoming you know, well, becoming a did you digital overall the only good news about this free of horrors is the fact that you use it for overall is debt that benjamin the now and is extreme,

is ministers efforts to rearrange the political furniture and israel and to basically make majority rule with no projection of minorities. that the order of the day is paid. and those 41 weeks have convinced me. i do not know another country certainly would not have been here. spite our democratic system for 40 plus weeks, hundreds of thousands of years, railways are in the streets pushing for the kind of israel that they want. a human is liberal democratic israel. admittedly, the occupation figures prominently and presents all kinds of contradiction to that image. but i think the majority of people in that, in that small country with 10, almost 10000000 people to 1000000 college, denise visions of israel. what that kind of vision for their country. and i am

persuaded that these crisis, even though many military crises have led to a even a further right wing drift. i think you're going to get out of this eventually and it's not going to be a less left of center government and it will be a right. a right is government. will it be center, right? will it be responsible? will it be willing to face reality that it could be no real security without a diplomatic political solution to these really palestinian cops have been into these really occupation? i would like to think that is the case of david miller. we could go on for much longer, but we've run out of time. thank you so much for being on the program. good to see you ever, tim, you too. take care. thank you. by the

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