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to june, more thoughts now when the story inform, migrate, reliable news from migraines, wherever they may be the, the israel, how boss was moved briefly to an open culture with the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations of israel had committed genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guess was stuff about booty and the westbank who had the policy. the national initiative was the one from the court immediately to allow me just to say that there is a mission of genocide and to give it as an add on or the stop no property. the flow is violent and forgets all civilians. but he was a special condemnation. israel. so how will the war and how will the hatreds of good faith,
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con garza ever be rebuilt and the better future be salvage of all the suffering and destruction? let's talk about the complex of thank you, but to be with you, you've said that as well is failing. it's declared items in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how boss will be liquidated, and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously doubt israel is ability to achieve as a absolutely, i'm not on the mean. i think the media isn't really that is like i've even got was a number of that. and what have been a thought of saying the same. isn't that nothing you know, is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to just to, by how much, how much is not just admitted that it's structured? it's much this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is a good that should be pursuant. i think that i've, i've,
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which is to ask what can be done to in the support situation. yes, but let's put in a come back. how about a minute to find a city a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy, the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it. is what i had with the have to make these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way. eh, meant then in book you, patient is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so that as long as the one way in and the to my knowledge, how most wouldn't be able to do to accept the listing expected was deb solution design austin. but to continue with this occupation would not be the 20 solution onto piece. i want to get into just what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians a bit later. but there's been
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a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happens on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, in a single day, how much must have good hundreds of his relatives in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people with murder, some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it turned out how was this well, supposed to react to that the festival let's. i agree that i do not accept that. can you go to the injury and go to the human mediating guy, mississippi, and all that kind of thing on, on as of right. but i don't think that the fact that the csr isn't it shouldn't come that the just unacceptable is, are drops execution functioning, 10000 posting in something that is unacceptable, but you're not the, i'm the,
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i'm the history of the not started. i'm just events of october. the big question here is, how many pundits doing ends up being killed since 1948. and what happened before the 7th of october? if we have time, i can describe that. but i think the message that by this thing is we have receiving that isn't, it does not belong to. these does not belong to an hour, but other students did and into completion. and nothing else felt in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of not on the list. ben, also, guys are the cdn. okay. by the heights. nothing, you know is declaring company do not use the best buy in minnesota to prevent a listing in states. so what is the solution of plans or violence? is it to continue the environmental garza which has already taken the lives of $29000.00 people? if we include the people on the federal or to find a different monthly winter,
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you'll have an ard. so my question, which was, how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october? the 7th, we could get it to the history we will get into the history. but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't how most expected it would be exactly what happened. exactly what happened. look at it, how is it as responded with boom, bottom into guts, continuously for the see leaks using on types of s. dikes that is like 70 percent of all the house is income. you know, according to the most recent, it is the point during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of all the homes and does that and get unlimited storage unit on 2nd. what is it? i'm not the proportion of the different sorts of discipline i'll punch in the same
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proportion. but what would it be that point of, you know, what would be proportional is to say to the was enough is enough with the set of violence. we don't want this to continue and the end of the patient. so i am, i'm going to conduct the thought and i know that you can kill the patient if you concentrate on the, on the symptom of them the cause of the disease. you're saying, you're not saying that's how boss is a was as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did provoke, must have been that tree retaliation. i bent them as well for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect a discount for that. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm not in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 years of oppression, of the displacement of ethnic cleansing, which affected 70 percent of the city and people. i know about 70 percent of the
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population of guys that have be able to if you use the lift by, is that in the 1948 and i don't know what that does. it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, the water? no, no, no economy? 80 percent of the people. what i do kid live unemployed and 70 percent of the public. and what, what did that lead to? i know that spanish speaking and signed an agreement i piece i agree, mental is are, and what they accept it. a very painful compromise. a state on 22 percent on the of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent. i'm still isn't it, and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this was. may that right? mission? wait, wait, wait. tell me that in december 2000 president clinton, guy who had, excuse me, israel at who would back offered you a state on 95 percent of the west bank,
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a 100 percent of the gaza strip with lab swaps to compensate for the sacraments control of our barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides. provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company. the date is, the best deal that you, what ever offered of yasser arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the short what you haven't got this could i know it's a global narrative. actually. i know it's not uh because what meds, uh the negotiations and then is that is that it was not accept listing and stuff that i need to over is to us. and that was the main cause. why that these negotiations fence and visit my accept by this to me,
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i'm going to don't over the years on the inside. and this is not except exactly that they would with 0. that's how much time though, to bite the sign was the one side, the not there is another side of that the deal services have you had a better off? no, no, that was what happened because my, my question is why is it an up to now? does not say to the world until you have money and to buy the studios. what are they about? this is the only company in the world which refuses to identify. it's bought this. nothing you know is say, i mean, we find most likely him until destroyed. so starting, nothing, yeah, the man may have the dimension of his life to can also talk to the potential for the 2 state solution. okay. well the, that, that, that is, that is your narrative. that is the problem, especially a narrative. you just because you accused me of pushing. israel is narrative, but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of
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genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely. and i do think that south africa is clinic about getting this piece and it does not go into the south africa that we have to hold off and to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusation of genocide. will you accept that or accused the cause of bias? we will not have to learn it by deals by us. you will continue to struggle to make the world understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when 29000 people in those by the studios articles, mostly civilians. when $10000.00 children out of 10 in less than 3 months, i'm doing 75 percent of the whole of the hopes as i've destroyed an audio leave us citizen are destroyed and most trusted because i've destroyed. and the my media
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does now says i'm have a fishing us out of them by the buyers that are in a good many of them. and 104, i'm dealing with this like this is general side and when, when enough and yeah. and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not only posed to conduct ethnic cleansing, but to conduct general side bible, but being the city and population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions and will have to wait about several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's a balances. but it could take a long time. we've got the court then what do you want from the court immediately if you allow me is to saying that, then it is the mission of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or the stop door,
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or do you will slow resent the quotes if it doesn't do that? no, no, no, we just stick the we, we haven't been feeling well then, but nice enough criminal record for us. not just about duty, what kind of society you talked about all the horrors that of to be going on. and garza, the destruction, the desk, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society can emerge from this war. after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children, i can literally have such a honey been among cause damage and destruction. we have to is one is to make it at ease in for an event. or another way is to make it an option. i believe in making it don't know what's on it yet. it might be, it was just an idea to invest a comfortable lot but deepens the business. and we can rebuild our country. but we
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cannot city built our country when we are okay. bye bye. and in my opinion, the hardwood must see us as equal human beings with that is it is when the when the boy was sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see palestinian elections . you set the current crisis, you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of power standing forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. how many publishers about palestinian you the 2 decade after decade idea of the never happened? was it going to happen now? because we've never been in such a difficult situation as we are to the and any responsible 1st duty on,
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on addition, must accept. the unity is the only out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at, i'll say the constitution between fire and how much i even redid the them between them. and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the board cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately is the obstacle to prevent the elections. they did not allow elections enjoy those of the city and also to use that as an excuse to cancel elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021, not think about the impact of started with have got an absolute majority. we would have had to have a democratic coalition and then
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a government that control invoice with the bank and does the continue to struggle between to have independence, identical to mention you say this without going to but the you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the cab down of free speech. the interruption was that whole israel's fault? yes, it was the corruption, they made them to not, not it's not isn't as full alone. but it does a lot of the is that are in the fall because because that i didn't want to step on this thing and also need to be on the security code on them. this is what i as, and the united states fault in particular that if used to allow us to have democratic 3 elections. ok, let's talk about the united states for a moment. because that view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they
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call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to insist on that? again, it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time. has it? unfortunately, the states of america has lost that me an opportunity to be a total of me. do you understand me the kind of between us and visitor and, and that's why i don't think they can live. that's why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why did you, how to participate in the themselves by sending americans the zip and it's on dominican advisors and, and planes. it's expensive to plan. i don't know if i'm indeed do you have to be in boshamp? in this case, the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support federal reserve. and it's an edition, i guess, the bus student, people just about 13 by yourself, have a choice here. you don't have a choice here, whatever you think of the,
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by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wasn't exactly the hans, the power stadium position would. so you're going to need to work with by now, whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop that the reason i refused to work was by didn't. it's mr. biden who, upstairs. i'm doing excellent from his duty during the 3 years before the war started when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and wednesday nights of states of america did nothing to for us, is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex, it's the man office to can pull it up. was the ability to state solution. so it's not our problem, it's not a problem, but let me tell you what, what, what happened with that, and guess a union these days is very dangerous for the whole one. why? because the team isn't on the united states, out of 10 in the world that we don't have international law anymore. and that's
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what is done by those of younger, you know, what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have the problem, you can do it if you want. well that's the very end. okay. can you guys look at that closer, closer to home with you? you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the gentleman by him, i'm not loving advocating environments all my life. i understand but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's cool down resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of public opinion said they'd back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting, they really want more. i assume you have supported the resistance. it's through and then be that many type of resistance of this time it's
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a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because it's an outcome the other way, which is the. so when you go see issues, then what's missed that i best this government, but i didn't go through yet. what is there any sort of head to use signing that also the human making us compromises and then get the nothing but humiliation of it as violation even of the product. the, the thing i know is that if you have the price, you can get from any alternative to whatsoever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the, well you, we bought the guys about also about the west bank, you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and set the packing gusts on said lot about receiving work on sundays and rarely government. so that's what, i'm, how much does the government be?
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yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did, her mouse was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 1998 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time. factors from us never wanted to tool. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes, 0 with such statements before, but i know exactly how from asked states because i met with them and all that negotiated since we had i even managed to convince them was non violence resistance for more than 5 years. during which time on that it was peaceful demonstrations and they were not that good just to be by the. is there any side? yes, i do you what they can't accept? what was included in the national unity program of our national unity government and 2007. and it was a clear up and a senior state on 1967,
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both us including these drawers and then i ended up location of that. do you want? i'm just not nation of, of that. i talked to the dental about a student obviously, which is a very just don't bother to see if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the thought lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister in israel? and you can say he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota and the government, he said he called him says he wasn't shy lamp, but i'm willing himself refreshes on the floor. and he said that we, he said the business was from the bank, would settlements on this. so that kind of deals with lose any of the staples that on and then they wouldn't have one else. any options either to leave, which is there from the glazing, auto accept a life of subjugation police. that is,
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which is i thought, died all by which is, which is genocide. this is the minute the all fine the i'm, what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i, i'm, you could sit down and look for any new position that was expressed as it's homeless. i look in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who could but i took that to find a way out of the situation, but to accept i may have a principle which has application of international law which says, occupation must end as an entity point for peace between both people, how like somebody isn't got how likely is a day of that's very low your, your a low voice, and the very big will the this onto the bug booty. when i respond to itemize this question many times, but i respond to that by asking the question, who,
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who have never thought the gentleman's unfinished people with confidence in such a way and they will be in union after having so many words. i think we have the promise, daniels, lives, jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together to gather the van to continue to fight each other. and each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you quoted started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to do all the lines of historic by this time we have about 7000000 jewish people, about 7000000 people living on the same land. one site is powerful. the
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other side is we one side design. ok, you buyer to the other side. this will to bite. what does the solution one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution which is the problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic state. where do we kind of live together equally and or exist peacefully the only time option because if mcclintock or 1st thing, that's exactly what my time. yeah. once more for the job i have to do. and that's what, that's what i have to do in guzman. but that will not work. that's why we have one or 2 options. i said one of the book about 60, why not? and as one of my best friends, daniel button boom, literally the waiting on the musician taught me once. sometimes then bust him is easy of the difficult, and that's why i will never stop believing that one democratic states could be both
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of them. i know it looks now impossible with all these feelings of revenge of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody who hope to be but, but other than be picking them depressed very briefly cause we're running out of time just literally what, what if you count 5 the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october the 7th is going to happen again, and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't of the people on smart have to be, but look, always look for another type of dispatch. and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor. so that's i would have people eventually we'd be free. a lot of people would be accepted as quite human beings, as we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in faculty. thanks very much for being a complex. so thank you. thank you. the,
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