silver out, a pleasure talking to you. fantastic. thank you for breaking down the numbers for us on a very complex, complicated issue. thank you. the, the israel, how about us was moved briefly to an open quote to be the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations that, as well had committed genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guest, who stuff about booty, the westbank, who had the policy. the national initiative was the one from the court immediately to allow me just to say that there is a mission of genocide and to give as an add on or the stop, no fargo to close violence against all civilians. but he was of special combinations of israel. so how will the war and how will the hatreds of good faith,

con garza ever be rebuilt and the better future be salvaged, the little the sufferings of destruction. the complex. thank you, but to be with you, you have said that as well is failing. it's because i had a it was in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how boss will be liquidated, and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously about israel is ability to achieve as a the absolutely. yeah. not on the mean. i think the media isn't really that is like, i think got was a number of the what had been a thought of saying the same. isn't that nothing you know is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to display how much, how much is not just admitted that it's structured? it's much. this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is a good that should be the sort i think that i have, which is to ask,

what can be done to in this for the situation. yes, but let's put in there. how about how about a minute to find a city? a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it is what i would have to make. these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way eh, montana and book, your vision is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so there is only one way in and the domain knowledge . how much would it be to do to accept the listing and steve, within that acts of that expected to step solution that's design austin. but to continue with this occupation will not be to enter solution onto piece. i want to get into just what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians

a bit later. but there's been a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happened on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, if a single day, how much must have good hundreds of his race in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it time that how was there as well supposed to react to that press the next. i agree that i do not accept that. can you go to the injury and go to the human near to mississippi and all that kind of thing now known as the name. but i don't think that the fact that he had said, isn't it the children would come that the just on acceptable justification for couldn't 10001st thing in something that is unacceptable. but you're not the,

i'm the, i'm the history of the not started. i'm just events of october. the big question here is how many pundits doing ends up being killed since 1948 and what happened before the 7th of october. and so we have time, i can describe that, but i think the message, the other thing is we have receiving that isn't as does not belong to, these does not belong to an hour, but other students, students and intuition and nothing else in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of smoke on the list that also guys are and the cdn, okay, by the heights. nothing you know is declaring company do not use the best prime minister to prevent a listing in states. so what is the best solution to plan on violence? is it to continue the environmental guys which has already taken the lives of $29000.00 people? if we include the people on the table or to find a differently outage here,

you haven't got my question, which was how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october? the 7th, we could get it to the history we will get into the history. but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't how boss expect that it would be exactly what happened exactly. what happened looking at how much it, how is it? as responded with boom, bottom into gust. continuously for the see leaks using on types of s dikes, the dentist line, 70 percent of all the houses income. you know, according to the most recent, because the points during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of the homes and does that and government, it's like unit on check on what is it, i'm not the proportion of the different thoughts of this the button that's the same

proportion, that's what would it be that point of view. now what would be proportional just to see it to the was enough is enough with this step and violence. we don't want this to continue, and the end of the patient to i am not meant to conduct the thought and i know that you can killed the patient if you concentrate on the symptom of that event, the cause of the disease. you're saying, you're not saying that's how boss is a was as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did provoke, must've been that tre retaliation and then condemn israel for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of an edge. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm not in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 for you as a function of the displacement of ethnic cleansing, which affect up 70 percent of the palestinian people. i know that 70 percent of the

population of guys that have bills if you use this list by is that in the 1948, i'm the one that goes it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, no running water no, no economy, 80 percent of the people. what i do kid live unemployed and 70 percent. what on the positive and what, what did that lead to? i know that's kind of sticking on. signed an agreement. i piece, i agree mental it is or what they accept it, a very painful compromise. a state of 22 percent of the, of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent . i'm still isn't and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this one. may have that right mention. wait, wait, wait a minute. in december 2000 president clinton, who had, excuse me, israel, and who would by rec, overdue, a state on 95 percent of the west bank,

a 100 percent of the gaza strip with land swaps to compensate for the sacraments controller that are barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides, provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company. the data is the best deal that you, what ever offered of yasser arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the joint. what you haven't got this could i know it's a global narrative. actually. i know it's not uh because what managed uh, the negotiations and then is that is that it was not accept listing. and so i need to over is to have some that was the main close. why that these negotiations fins

and did not accept by this to me, i'm going to don't over the waters in the job done friday. and they did not accept exactly that they would withdraw. that's how much time though, to bite the sign was the one inside the another. then there's another side of that and you had a better deal services have you had a better off? no, no, that's no problem. because my, my question is, why is it an up to now, does not say to the world. and because you have money and to buy the studios, what are they about? this is the only company in the world which refuses to identify it's bought. that's nothing. you know as say, i mean we find most likely him until destroyed, so slugged him. nathaniel, the man made it the mission of his life to can also until the potential for it to fit solution. okay, well the that, that, that is, that is your narrative. that is the problem, especially at barrett's if you just will because you accused me of pushing israel's

narrative. but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely, and i do think that south africa is clinic about getting the skis and it does not go incident that south africa that i'd have to call out to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusation of genocide. will you accept that or accused the cause of bias? we will not have to learn about abuse by us. you will continue to that are going to make the world understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when $29000.00 people spell this thing is out of cuz once the civilians win $10000.00 children outcome in less than 3 months, i'm doing 75 percent of the horses are destroyed and all you move us citizen are destroyed and most trusted because i've destroyed and the of my music stopped us

now since i'm having a fishing us out of them by bit by isn't it, i'm a good many of them and 100 to 4. i'm dealing with this like this is general side. and when, when i send you out and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not on the conductive mckinsey, but to conduct general side bible by being the civilian population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait that several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's announces, but it could take a long time. we'll go to the court then what do you want from the court immediately if you allow me is to saying that, then it is the mission of,

of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or the stop door or you will slow response . the code, if it doesn't do that. no, no, no, we just step the we, we haven't been feeling well then, but less than the criminal court for us now. just about duty, what kind of society you talked about all the horrors that have been going on and gaza, the destruction, the death, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society can emerge from this war after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children i say, what do we have such the amount of damage and destruction we have to is one is to make it isn't for revenge. or another way is to make it an option. i believe in making it, i know what's on it yet. and money was just an idea to invest a comfortable lot but deepens the business. and we kindly built our country,

but we cannot to be built over the country when we are okay. bye bye. and my opinion, the hardwood must see us as equal human beings to that is it is when the when the boy was sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see palestinian elections . you set the current crisis, you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have the unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of palestinian forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. and how many publishers about palestinian you the 2 decade after decade. yeah, after yeah, never happened. was it going to happen now? because we've never been in such

a difficult situation as we are to the and i knew this also been by a student and politician must accept that. unity is the only way out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at, i'll say the constitution between fire and how much i even redid them between them . and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the world does not, the boy cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately. is there any evidence of stucco to prevent the elections? they did not allow elections, enjoy those. and then the stigma and also to use that as an excuse to cancel the elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021, not think about the in front of started with haven't got an absolute majority. we

would have had to have a democratic coalition and then a government control in both west bank and gaza. i've been continuing to struggle have independence and things angle commission. you say this without going to but, but you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the top down of free speech. they and that's the way the interruption was. that whole is rails fault. yes, this was not part of the know the wrong. they made them to not, not, it's not isn't as full alone, but it does. lot of really isn't and it falls because it is that i in one of the city and also to, to be on the security card on there it's, it's in the united states font in particular that if used to allow us to have democratic pre elections. okay. let's talk about the united states for

a moment because that view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to insist on that? again, it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time, has it. unfortunately, the states of america has lost them in opportunity to be a total mediator. and that's going to be the kind of between us and visitor and, and that's why i don't think they kind of flip out some on why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why they are about to see people in the themselves by sending americans on the part of the zip and it's on dominican advisors and, and planes. it's expensive to plant. i don't know if i'm indeed do you have to be in boshamp in this case, the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support. federal is are, and it's an addition, i guess the constitution people just about 13 by you don't have

a choice here. you don't have a choice here. whatever you think of the, by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november, wouldn't exactly it, hans, the palestinian position would it? so you're going to need to work with by now, whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop. that the reason i refused to work was by didn't it's mr. devising who upstairs. i'm doing excellent friend his duty during the 3 years before the war started when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and when the knife of states of america did nothing to for us is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex, it's the main office to can pull it up with ability to state solution. so it's not our problem, it's not a problem then, but let me tell you what happened with that and guess a union these days is very dangerous for the whole one. why? because the team isn't on the united states,

out of 10 in the world that we don't have international law anymore. and that's what is done by those of younger, you know, what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have a problem, you can do it if you want. well, at the very end, okay. can you just look at that closer, closer to hope with you. if you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the engine um, but i'm not who i've been advocating environments all my life, i understand. but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's cool down resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of the palestinians set they back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before. the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting really want more. i assume you have supported the resistance. it's through and then you've documented that existence of this time is

a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because it's an outcome the other way, which is the sony go see issues then what has missed that i best of his government, but i didn't go through yet, but is there any sort of have to use signing that also i agreement making to use compromises and then get the nothing but human emotion. and as it is violation even of the stigma and also to has the but i think it's from, i mean also to, to whatsoever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the well you, we've talking about the about guys about also about the west bank you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and set the packing gusts on said lot about receiving work on sundays and

rarely government. so that's what i'm, how much does the government be? yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did come us was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 1998 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time. factors from us never wanted to tool. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes it was such statements before, but i know exactly how from asked states because i met with them and all that negotiated since we had, i even managed to convince them was non violence. existence for more than 5 youths during which time was that it was peaceful demonstrations. i'm doing that back just to be by there. is there any side? yes. i do you what they can accept? what was included in the national unity program of our national unity government

and 2007. and it was a clear, i found a simian state on 1967, but that's including these drawers and then i ended up location of that. do you want? i'm just not nation of, of that i to the dental about a student obviously, which is a very to the bottom of this if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister in these through a new concept. he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota and the government. he said he called him says he wasn't shy lamp, but i'm willing himself refreshes on the floor. and he said that we, he said the business was from the west bank with several months on this. so that kind of deals with lose any hope of staples good on. and then they would have one of the options either to leave which is, or from the glazing auto accept

a life of subjugation police. that is, which is all part died or died, which is, which is genocide. this is the minute the all fine the i'm, what you said wasn't able to make it, but by the time you know, i, on, you could sit down and look for any new position that was expressed as it's homeless. i look in a different way. i see that the reason of the people on both sides who could die together to find a way out of the situation. but to accept, i may have a principle which has application of international which says, occupation must end as an entity point to piece between both people. how like somebody is not, how likely is any of that. it's very like you're a low voice and the very big will that this onto the body. well i, i just want, i, you know, i got this question many times,

but i respond to that by asking the question who, who have never thought the gentleman is unfinished, even with confidence in such a way. and they will be in union after having so many words. i think we have the promise, daniels, lives, jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together together not have them to continue to fight each other. and each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you go to started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to do on the lines of historic, by this time we have about 7000000 jewish people about 7000000 postings to people

living on the same land. one site is powerful. the other side is we one side design or to buy or the other side. this will to bite. what does the solution? one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution, which is the problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic states literally kind of live together equally and, or exist peacefully. the only option is ethnic lindsay go, 1st thing. that's exactly what i'm, you know, i'm smart, but it's out of things to do. and that's what they try to do in government. but that's what i'm up to work. that's why we have one or 2 options. i said one of the book about 60, why not? and as one of my best friends, daniel, but in the literature, the musician taught me once, sometimes then bust him is easy of the difficult. and that's why i will never stop believing that one democratic states couldn't be both of them. i know it looks now

impossible with all these feelings of revenge of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody who hope to be, but other than be picking them depressed very briefly cuz we're running out of time just literally what, what if you can't 5, the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october the 7th is going to happen again, and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't of the people on smart have to be, but look, always look forward and setting up this past. and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor. so that's i would have people eventually we'd be free. a lot of people would be accepted as a quite human beings, as we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in faculty. thanks very much for being a complex. so thank you. thank you. the,

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