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the and dollars that can be drawn on to fill the gaps, the donald trump will leave silver out a pleasure talking to you. fantastic, thank you for breaking down the numbers for us on a very complex, complicated issue. thank you. the, the israel, how about us was moved briefly to an open courtroom with the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations that israel had committed, genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guest stuff about gucci, the west bank, who heads the policy. the national initiative was the one from the court immediately to allow me just to say that there is a mission of genocide and to give is it an or the stop? no faculty, the pro is violent and so it gets all civilians. but he was a special combinations of israel. so how will the ball and how will the hatred of
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good faith? can garza ever be rebuilt and the better future be salvage the little the suffering of destruction? the complex thank you, but to be with you, you've said that as well is failing. it's because i had a it was in the god of war, but jerusalem exists it. how much will be liquidated? and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously doubt israel is ability to achieve as a absolutely, i'm not on the mean. i think the media isn't really that is like, i think got was a number of the what had been a thought of saying the same. isn't that nothing you know, is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to just to, by how much, how much is not just that many times structured? it's much this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is
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a good that should be pursuant. i think that i have which is to ask, what can be done to in this for the situation. yes, but let's put in there. how about how about a minute to find a city? a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it. is that i wouldn't have to make these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way eh, montana occupation is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so there is only one way in and uh, to my knowledge, how much would it be to do to accept the listing. and steve, within that, i'm so that expected to step solution that's design austin. but to continue with this occupation will not lead to enter solution onto piece. i want to get into just
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what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians a bit later. but there's been a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happened on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, if a single day, how must must have good hundreds of his race in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it time that how was there as well supposed to react to that? that's the one this i agree that i do not accept that. can you go to the engineering go to the human? do you think i mississippi and all that kind of thing on, on as of right. but i don't think that the fact that the csr isn't it shouldn't that it would come that the just unacceptable. is there drops execution fucking
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10000 posting in something that is unacceptable, but you're not the, i'm the i'm the has to do. you did not started. i'm just events of october. the big question here is how many pundits doing ends up being killed since 1948 and what happened before the 7th of october? a. so we have time, i can describe that, but i think the message that by this thing is we have receiving that isn't it does not belong to. these does not belong to an hour, but other students, students, and intuition and nothing else in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of small on the west bank, also garza and the cdn. okay. by the heights. nothing, you know is declaring company do not use the best buy in minnesota to prevent a listing in states. so what is the best solution to plan on violence? is it to continue the environmental guys which has already taken the lives of
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$29000.00 people? if we include the people on the table or to find a differently outage here, you haven't got my question, which was how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october? the 7th, we can get it to the history we will get into the history. but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't how boss expect that it would be exactly what happened exactly what happened? look at it, how is it as responded with boom, bottom into guts, continuously for see leaks using all types of s dikes. there is like 70 percent of all the houses income, you know, according to the most recent because of the points during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of the homes and does that and get unlimited storage
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unit on 2nd. what is it? i'm not, does not do anything portion of the different thoughts out of this the button that says what, what would have been proportion. but what would it be that point of, you know, what would be proportional just to see it to the was enough, is enough with this step and violence. we don't want this to continue and there's the end of the patient. so i'm going to conduct the thought and i know that you can kind of the patient if you concentrate on the symptom of that event, the cause of the disease. do you think you're not seeing that? how boss is a, was, as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did provoke, must've been that tree retaliation and then condemn israel for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of an edge. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm not in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 for use of oppression of the displacement
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of ethnic cleansing, which effect of 70 percent of the palestinian people. i know that 70 percent of the population of guys that have bills if you use this live buyers that are in the 1948 and i don't know what that goes. it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, no running water. no, no, no equipment, me. 80 percent of the people. what i do kid live unemployed, and 70 percent were on the positive. and what, what did that lead to? i know that's kind of sticking on, signed an agreement. i piece, i agree, mental it is or what they accept it. a very painful compromise. a state of 22 percent of the, of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent . i'm still isn't and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this. one . may have that right. mission. wait, wait, wait a minute. in december, 2000 president clinton, guy who had, excuse me, israel, who would back overdue,
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a state on 95 percent of the west bank, a 100 percent of the gaza strip with land swaps to compensate for the sacraments controller that are barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides, provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company. the data is the best deal that you what ever offered of yasser arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the short what you haven't got this could i know it's a global narrative. actually. i know it's not uh because what meds, uh the negotiations and then is that is that it was not accept this thing. and so
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what i need to over is to have some that was the main close. why that these negotiations fins did not accept by this to me, i'm going to going over the motors and the job done friday, and they did not accept exactly that. they would withdraw them. and then some though, to buy products, i saw it was the one find the not there is another side of that the deal services have you had a better off? no, no best buy. what happened is my, my question is, why is it an up to now, is not saying to the world until you have the money i have to buy this deals. what are they about? this is the only company in the world which refuses to identify it's bought this. nothing now is say, i mean we find most likely him until destroyed, so slugged him. nathaniel, the man may have the dimension of his life. people can also talk to the potential for the 2 state solution. okay, well the, that, that, that is,
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that is your narrative. that is the public speaking the narrative. you just because you accused me of pushing. israel is narrative, but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely. and i do think that south africa is clinic about getting this piece and it does not go into the south africa that we have to hold off and to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusations of genocide. we do accept that or accused the cause of bias. we will not the username of you by us. you will continue to use that are going to mix old, understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when 29000 people spell, this thing is outcome. once the civilians win $10000.00 until different outcome in less than 3 months, i'm doing 75 percent of the horses are destroyed and all you move us citizen are
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destroyed and most trusted because i've destroyed and the of my week's book. so it's necessary for the fishing us out of going back to the buyers that are in a good many of them in 104, i'm dealing with this like this is general side. and when, when i send you out and money out of that, is that a really, that's declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not on the conductive nick lindsey, but to contact the general side bible involved in the civilian population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait that several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's announces, but it could take a long time. we've got the court then what do we want from the court immediately if
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you allow me is to saying that there is a suspicion of, of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or death to stop the door. and you will still resent the quotes if it doesn't do that. no, no, no, we just stick the we, we haven't been appealing to the national criminal court for 2 years now. mr. bug what he, what kind of society you talked about all the horrors that have been going on and gaza, the destruction, the death, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society could emerge from this war after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children i say, what do we have such the amount of damage and destruction we have to is one is to make it that isn't for the events or another way is to make it an option. i believe in making it don't know what's on it. you had in mind it was just an idea.
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the 2nd one would but the point is the business. and we kindly built our country. but we cannot city built our country when we are okay. bye bye. and in my opinion, the hardwood must see us as equal human beings with eyes of it. when the, when the boy was, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see palestinian elections . you set the current crisis, you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of power standing forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. and how many publishers about publish? did you do the 2 decade after decade? idea of the never happened. was it going to happen now?
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because we've never been in such a difficult situation as we are to the i'm any responsible 1st duty on, on addition, must accept the unity is the only way out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at all frequency relation between side by side even with the effect of them between them. and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the board cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately is the obstacle to prevent the elections. they did not allow elections, enjoy those and in the city, and also to use that as an excuse to cancel elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021?
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not think about the impact of started with have got an absolute majority. we would have had to have a democratic coalition. and then a government control in both west bank and gaza and the continue to struggle to have independence, identical commission. you say this is what i'll go to, but the you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the club down of free speech. the interruption was that whole israel's fault? yes, this was not part of the know the wrong. they made them to not, not. it's not isn't as full alone, but it does lot of really isn't and it falls because it gives it a lot of stuff on this thing and also to, to be on the security card on them that it's, it's in the united states font in particular that if used to allow us to have
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democratic pre elections. okay, let's talk about the united states for a moment because that view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america? to insist on that again, it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time. has it? unfortunately, the states of america has lost them. me an opportunity to be a, to me, do you understand me the kind of between us on visitor and, and that's why i don't think they kind of flip out to know why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why the out of pocket to see people in the themselves by sending americans the zip and then on dominican advisors and, and planes. it's expensive to plan. i don't know if i'm indeed do you have to be in boshamp? in this case, the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support federal reserve. and it's an edition,
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i guess the constitution people just about 13 by you don't have a choice here. you don't have a choice or whatever you would think of the by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wouldn't exactly the hans, the palestinian position would. so you're going to need to work with by now whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop that the reason i refused to work was by didn't. it's listed by the upstairs. i'm doing excellent friend his duty during the 3 hundreds before the war started when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and wednesday night, the states of america did nothing to for us, is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex, it's the main office to can pull it up with ability to state solution. so it's not our problem. it's not a problem then, but let me tell you what happened with that and guess a union these days is very dangerous for the whole one. why?
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because the team isn't on the united states, out of 10 in the world that we don't have international law anymore. and that's what is done by those of younger, you know, what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have the problem, you can do it if you want. well, let's do that. okay. can you guys look at that closer, closer to hope with you. if you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the violence engine um, but i'm not who i've been advocating on violence all my life. i understand. but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's cool down resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of the palestinians said they'd back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before. the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting really want more. i assume you have supported the resistance.
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it's through and then be documented that existence of this fund. i think most of the deals, and i think that many, that existence is more effective mainly because there's an outcome the other way, which is the so when you go to the issues, there was missed i best and his government. but i didn't go to you, is there any sort of have to use signing that agreement, making us compromises and get the nothing but human emotion. and as it is violation even of the sting and also to has depriving, get from, i mean also to, to what so ever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the what do we talking about the guys but also about the west bank funeral and the west bank, the army has, could only do more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and said last, i think us and said lot about receiving work on sundays,
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early government. so the question, i'm how much does the government be? yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did from us was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 19? $88.00 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time factors. how boss never wanted to talk. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes we have such statements before, but i know exactly how from the states because i met with them and all that, even with the issues we had, i even managed to convince them was non violence. existence for more than 5 youths during which time was that it was peaceful demonstrations. um do what i thought it was supposed to be by there. is there any side? yes. i tell you what they can accept. what was included in the national unity
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program of our national unity government in 2007. and it was a clear, i found a simian state on 1967, but that's including these drawers. okay. i've added up the location of that. do you want? i'm just like the sion of, of the items to the dental about a student obviously, which is just the bottom of the see if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the final lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister in these through a new concept. he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota, and those are the governments. he said he called him says he wasn't tie lambert, i'm calling from central refreshes on the floor. and he said that we, he said that this was from the bank was several months since this. so that kind of
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deals with lose, i mean, the staples did on and then they would have one of the options either to leave which is that from the cleansing auto accept a life of subjugation to is that is which is all part died or died, which is which is genocide, this is the minister of finance and the i'm what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i and you could sit down and look for any student position that was expressed as it's hopeless. i look in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who could try to get that to find a way or out of the situation. but to accept, i may have a principle which has application of international, which says, occupation must end as an entity point to piece between both people. how like, how long is that? how likely is a day of that's very low, your a low voice and the very big will that this onto stability?
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well i, i just want, i, you know, i've had this question many times, but i respond to that by asking the question, oh oh, i have never thought the gentleman's unfinished people with confidence in such a way and they will be in union after having so many words, i think i miss daniels lives. you wish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together to gather the van to continue to fight each other. and each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you quoted started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation,
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like we have to do on the lines of historic by this time we have about 7000000 jewish people about 7000000 postings to people living on the same land. one site is powerful, the other site is weak. one site is i know to buyer to the other side as well to fight. what does the solution, one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution which is the top line. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic states literally kind of live together equally and or exist peacefully. the only have the option if mcclintic or 1st thing. that's exactly what nothing. yeah, once more, but it's out of things to do. and that's what they try to do in government, but that will not work. so that's why we have one or 2 options i just had wanted to book it up and see why not. and as one of my best friends, daniel button boom, the, literally the waiting on the musician told me once, sometimes then boston is easy of the difficult. and that's why i will never stop
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believing that one democratic states couldn't be both of them. i know it looks now impossible with all these feelings of revenge of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody who hope to be, but other than be picking them depressed very briefly cuz we're running out of time just literally what, what if you can't 5, the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october the 7th is going to happen again, and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't of the people on smart it could be but would always look for another type of dispatch. and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor. so that's i would have people eventually we'd be free. a lot of people would be accepted as quite human beings, as we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in faculty. thanks very much for being able to come pick. so thank you. thank
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