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the alternative for germany, the a f d on sunday police say a 100000 people came together here in berlin, alone in their demand, protect democracy and stopped the a f d. that's easier said than done in some parts of germany poll. show the a f d as now the party of choice among voters and c. elections are just months away. i'm pretty golf and berlin. this is the day. the right we stream is our attacking our democracy. they want to destroy, okay. he's in the car. i just think about what has happened and that it must never happen against the nazis right. wingers and flashes will come to power in any form . it feels like the apocalypse in slow motion to motion the parts i'm conference has really startled and then the to the everyone can i know stories from the nazi
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or from my grandfather. and i don't want that to happen again on the level we're here for the grandchildren that they get on the level we're here for the grandchildren, that they still have a future worth living. also coming up at rebuilding republican presidential candidate, randa sanchez has dropped out of the race for the parties of domination just ahead of this week's new hampshire primary. as part of his announcement defense has been turned and endorse the man who often criticized and even mocked him from a president. donald trump, the trumpet superior to the current incumbent joe biden. that is clear. i signed a pledge to support the republican dominey, and i will honor that pledge you as my endorsement because we can't go back to the old republic and guard of yesteryear to our viewers watching
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on cbs in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome, we begin the day with germany asking itself what to do about the growing popularity of the far right. over the weekend, hundreds of thousands of people marched and demonstrated against the far right political party. the alternative for germany, also known as the a f d. so many people showed up in munich, the organizers ended the protest early because of the dangerous overcrowding in the city center. the demonstrations came in the wake of a report. that right, we extreme is recently met to discuss a master plan for the forwarding millions of immigrants, including some with german citizenship. some members of the a, f d party, attended that meeting of the a, f d has grown quickly in germany. polls show them the most popular party in some regions nationwide. the a fee now weights from number 2 among voters. but these mass protests were triggered in large degree by a news report that uncovered the forwards meeting and their master plan for mass
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deportations. gabriela keller is a senior reporter ad correct chief. she is one of the journalist who brought the story to the public's attention, and she joins me now from right here in berlin. gabriella, it's good to have you with this. this is my name is my description, correct? here is your reporting on this meeting of the far right and it's master plan for mass deportations. is it responsible for what we saw in cities across germany? does we get but it's appears to be the case. yes, it's been an overwhelming response to our reporting that none of us has expected. but uh, now that we're speaking, i think that they shortly cause the protests that we've seen. but i think they've triggered something that was already said that triggered something that
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a lot of people were feeling that they weren't happy with or they wouldn't want to accept. so i think that, yeah, it has released the, the protests. but i think that it has to that something that was already um, moving a lot of people have without having an outlet. probably what has been the reaction of the a f d party onto your reporting. well, that has been just tons, reactions that have been like that that has been statement saying that that it's on to what we've been reporting that says that, but we are lying, but they haven't really been able to find any of the nice, the alleging also on the other hand, that has been other voices from the if the say, well i know this isn't a secret about the what they called migration, which other people according deportation. this isn't a secret class,
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this is our promise. this is what we intend to do. so other people were like, slowly assigned me the reporting that we've been doing, but they've been focusing a lot on like details whether it was extra to call it a secret plan or not. um, so um, but on and all that happens quite contradictory reactions, but success also have been like trying to discredit our reporting and some posts, amounting to threats against some of our colleagues. gabriella, there are calls for the a f d party to be banned in germany. tell me how widely or how unlikely is that but it's just a code procedure and it's something that will take a long time. possibly. yes. so this is the threshold for getting a touch of band in germany is very high. and there's no way of telling what the
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outcome will be in this case, because even another is more of destined as the right wing stuff is tied to that we used to have in germany called the entity. so they've tried to grab it then the procedure was never quite finished. so, as at this point it's, there's no way of saying that what we have been revealing, what we've seen so far in terms of this probably being against the constitution of germany with its statements and positions rhythm. but for the sufficient get it done. how do you explain it the, the rising popularity of the a if the and, and maybe what role do the other political parties in this country? what role do they play in this rise in popularity? um, so good question. um for once, that spends a lot of discontent with the current government, which is some of it was due to the laws that were or announcement,
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then they would take them back and then modify it again, which i'm creating the impression of a lot of um know how within this current government it's been a lot of like, um, fighting within those government, which also added to the discontent. and all this has been something that the do you have been able to benefit from that subsidy? so the question of a migration and the number of risk she's coming to germany and how to choose where to house them, how to house them. it's something that has been that's a major issue for a lot of people. and of the i s d has been able to tap into that too. so there's a lot of different textures and, well, let me ask you this. let me, let me ask you, let me just pick up on that. let me ask you, what did you say to the critics who accused the media in germany,
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of ignoring these issues a bit, particularly issues such as migration communities are unable to cope with the influx of so many people. what do you say to those criticisms? well, i would say that these issues have been in the media. they have been coverage and the problem of communities was, you know, being able to accommodate refugees has been, has been addressed in the media. the problem is that there's not really business to good solution for it. and essentially because the, the drum and government hasn't been able to, to step up and really takes away the worries of people in the front of the communities that have been more effective than they she wasn't able to cope with. so that's, that's something that had to have added to it. i think that all in all of the a if the has also been able to use some of the racist and
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a couple of metric and right. we elements that have been throwing also has been growing for a couple of years to a grown that price range, the ukraine, russian war. so that's something that is like a sort of a position has been growing that has, that does not really feel they can accommodate this in the democratic odor anymore . so it goes beyond the current problems that communities are facing with housing refugees. i would say really quickly, gabriella. what role do the other political parties have in your opinion? in dealing with the rise of the a, f d. i mean, the christian democrats and such a democrats, the greens, do they have the answer? well, i mean it's, i think it's difficult to expect any of the process to really help me answer the problem is that the government inspired contraceptives in fact that they might be
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able to solve current problems. and i think that that has been issues there. and specifically with some of the noise like res, concerning, for instance, heating concerning climate change. all of this that happened a lot of to and fro, and a lot of in pricing within the clinician and communication has been great to be honest. okay. um, so that's awesome. that every, all of that combines a sort of erasing from students. mm hm. and that's something that the f d as a position probably has been able to, you know, used to both or their own supports. okay. gabriella keller, with correct gabriella, we appreciate your time and your reporting. appreciate your talking with us tonight . thank you. thank you for having me.
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where we're. we're so close to the primary. why do it now? you know, what's, what went into your decision? i have questions of what, what might be next for ron? i personally think that he's done, but i am surprised that he did it with only having i was haven't that menu heard speaking. there was a supporter of florida governor rhonda sanchez who has dropped his bid to become the republican nominee for president of the united states does. and is through his hat into the ring. months ago, he was seen as a viable contender. the former us president donald trump and even let him in some of the polling at the time, but that early street peter dealt in when republicans have their caucus in iowa last week and came a distance. second is departure from the race, turns it into a to horse competition between trump and nikki haley. it's also got people asking whether the process of choosing a republican nominee is already over and that is the question to people around the world are asking you on this the eve of the new hampshire primary. is it
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already a done deal? does donald trump have the republican nomination or wrapped up? i want to pull in read, galen. now he's a man who can offer some answers, read his co founder of the lincoln project, which describes itself as an organization dedicated to preserving and protecting democracy rate. it's good to have you, whether it's good to have you back here where this is the republican nomination, donald trump's to lose at this point to yes, and it always was, remember that not only is the, the leader of the parties, the former president, he's the front runner, but also that the republican national committee rick, this whole thing. so that even if he had a little bit of trouble in these early primary states, i, uh, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada. after that, they go from proportional distribution of delegates. the people who actually boat to nominate someone to winter take all so let's say they go to florida. donald trump doesn't need to win 50 percent. he just needs to win one more vote than the next person. so this has been reg from the get go. but i think that based on iowa
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and now i think what we're seeing in new hampshire. nothing has changed my mind that trump will be the nominate. maybe hailey has a stronger finish in new hampshire tomorrow. um and it extends it a little bit, but i don't think anything changes the ultimate outcome. well, you know, on this side of the atlantic, a lot of you obviously most people were shocked by the news that rhonda sanchez was, was spinning his campaign either already not even taking it to new hampshire. i'm explaining that, why do you think you did that as well? let me just say this, i, i've been doing this a long, long time. i've seen a lot of presidential candidates. i always thought he was an incredibly overpriced political stock. i never thought he had it personally, professionally, politically. i always thought he was, he was a bad candidate, a bad fit for this. he didn't make enough of a change argument visa v. donald trump. he raised a lot of money because i think a lot of people thought he could be sort of trump without the embarrassment. right? you could take them to the country club. it turned out even that wasn't true. and
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at the end of the day, look, you know, it doesn't matter. the money doesn't buy, you wins in american politics, it gets a lot of news and it should. but he's spent what, $200000000.00 and now he's out of the race. and so i think it came to a point where he said, okay, if i keep doing this, remember donald trump and his people, lo, rhonda santas personalized and what the santa saw was the reality of if i don't do this now and get behind trump, i have no future and the republican party, you know, i was looking at your, your twitter or your, your ex feed today, and you penned at the very top of a tweet where you say, if you want to beat trump, you have to stay in his face all day every day and obviously no one, no one even tried that. maybe the exception was chris christy. but other than him, no one's even come close to doing that. why do you think that it's and i think it's one of 2 things. either they're afraid of him or they just don't know how to do it, or both,
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which is you have to be willing to take this guy on the if any other republican not named donald trump wanted to be successful in this primary a year ago. they would have had to get to get gotten together and say, look, only one of us is going to survive this process against him. we all have have to go after him all the time. but you know what they're afraid of the mean tweets. they're afraid of the trolls on social media. they're afraid of the conservative media coming after them. they're afraid of their careers being over and ultimately they didn't do what it took, right? what it takes to be present. united states is being willing to do this thing. the other guy won't to win the election, and none of these people, even nikki haley, seems still in it have shown that they're willing to do those things. and yet the polls show that most americans say that they do not want a repeat of 2020, that they, they want to put trump and bite. and in the past, neither the republicans, this gets to what you were saying, neither the republicans nor the democrats, but the party apparatus of seemed capable of catering to the majority. i mean,
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this looks like a complete and utter failure of the 2 parties structures. well, i would say this, we should remember that the, the political parties are not public organizations, their private organizations that exist for the purposes of nominating presidents of the united states. voters do get a chance to participate in that. does that mean that they're always going to get their weight clearly not? but what i would say is, this is that it's not unusual. americans are very fickle when it comes to our political opportunities there in our political choices. you're absolutely right about the 2 party system, right? in a time when you can order anything you want off of your smartphone and have it arrive within 24 hours. the idea that you only have 2 choices. maybe that you both don't like. it seems a little anachronistic, but i will say this is we should not miss the forest for the trees and is the states of this election are very high. a return of donald trump means that the end of the world order as we have all known in our entire lives. it means the end of american democracy even is imperfect as it is. jo binds return, as for a 2nd term,
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means that there is a past to the future for the united states and for the western alliance and for democracies around the world. but you know, there is this, this palpable sense of dread here in europe. i mean, the poll show that deter majorities and almost every country are, are worried that a 2nd trump presidency would opened pandora's box. i mean, there's even talk of european countries wanting to limit the weapon shipments to ukraine. the thinking here is that these countries may need these weapons to defend themselves. in other words, a trump presidency could be a green light to a bladder improvement plan to attack beyond ukraine. that seems incredibly extreme, but you think it's possible? i, i think it's possible. i think it's a legitimate concern of anybody who is expecting in the united states to show up a, you know, if there is an article 5 violation of the nato treaty,
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i would absolutely be concerned about that. especially if i was poland or any of the baltic states, or anybody else in eastern europe who shares a border with russia or galleries and the ukrainian people themselves. right? this is, we have collectively been the bulwark of global democracy. donald trump doesn't care about. he likes let him are poor. he doesn't like the mirror. zalinski few likes president g. he doesn't like the leader of taiwan. he likes all of these people. he likes mohammed bin solomon. he likes the air to want in turkey. you should be worried about that on that side of the atlantic, because again, he doesn't care about any of it if it's good for him and it makes him popular with the guys he wants to emulate. and that's what he'll do. remember, this is not a normal person, this is a significantly broken individual for whom the only thing that matters to him or personal power, personal wealth and personal prestige. and if that means he has to leave data net or nato allies in the large, he'll do it without a 2nd thought. yep. yep. i think a lot of people will understand what you're saying and they will say,
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it seems like a broken record. 2020. all over again, read dealing with the lincoln project. really appreciate you taking the time to talk with us and please come back. i'm sure. we'll have plenty to talk about, especially with super tuesday. thank you. thanks so much. i today, they are being union stepped up, the pressure on is realtors afford a 2 state solution to the is rarely palestinian conflict. the message was crystal clear from brussels to states. israel and palestine are the only credible way to have peace in the middle east. european union, foreign ministers held talks in brussels today on the conflict. israel's foreign minister and the palestinians, top diplomat, were both at the table. frances bore, administered, and said that there will be a need for a palestinian state with security guarantees for every one after the war. and gaza is as in the other ministers echoed that call as well as the appealing for the release of is really hostage is being held by
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a mouse. this puts the european union on a collision course with his really prime minister benjamin at yahoo. he refuses to consider palestinian independence and he says that israel must control security from the river. jordan to the mediterranean, an area that would include an independent palestine of that statement brings is real again into conflict with its number one ally the united states as well as other international allies, such as germany. germany is a staunch supporter of israel's right to defend itself against the boss. german foreign minister unaligned a bare bar. she's paid several visits to israel since the october 7th terror attacks to day and brussels that she made it clear that berlin thinks a 2 state solution is the only way to achieve long term piece. it's not you can what is real, can only be saved if palestinians are safe and if they can live with dignity and then i'm part of and palestinians can only be saved. i live with dignity and
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freedom. israel a safe side. that is why the 2 state solution is the only solution it is and all of those were not in favor of this have so far failed to come up with an alternative solution. there can only be peace if there's peace for all the people living in the regions indefinitely. you won't get, let me pull in our correspondence now, rosie burge, he's been following the meeting, brussels force rosie. tell us what the you want to see happen in the middle east when the war in gauze. it is all as there will be your size, but quite simply, the only way to ensure a sustainable didn't jury. a credible piece in the region is to have the creation of, of how the city and state. of course, that's not simpler toll is it. and nor is it anything new if it has the use long standing position. but the accusation is the level of the block, and you can really acknowledge by the use foreign policy chief use at burrell is but for decades the, you and all their global actors have been paying lip service of this idea,
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but not actually doing anything to back up those words. now what we've seen here in brussels is an effort to try and have the you move from being what really looked like a bystander in this deadly conflict to a bit more of a broker. so we saw proposals today carolling road, different actors. so that is rarely for administer the posted in for administer, but also culture parts, for example, from saudi arabia, from jordan, from egypt. i'm what brussels is trying to do is flute some ideas, including, for example, what it's called a preparatory piece. some of that would involve those actors, but also, for example, the united nations and the united states to try and look at some of these big ideas for the future. so the bids to try and broke or something here is certainly under way whether or not it's going to actually make any difference, especially on the ground. because we know that very dire humanitarian situation, both for thousands and, and for these really hostages, which it ranges on. and of course, as mentioned by a lot of foreign ministers here in brussels today, that, that situation simply is not guessing any by sir. and we know that these really
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bright minutes the he is basically, you know, trash, the idea of palestinian statehood. i'm wondering what makes the european union think that it's going to be listened to by these really govern as well. i think the european union feels that it was not listed in to, and i certainly cited stuff, but of frustration at these talks here in brussels today. for example, i was told, ministry showed up, expecting to have a conversation that part of the 2 state solution were series really country part. instead, these really minister minister counts went on to show 2 videos which included connectivity projects including an artificial island of gaza. so that really seemed to spark a bit of disappointment among you ministers. we had the use foreign policy chief thing that really this is really minister could have used his time back to her. and i even spoke to port schools for administering the sidelines of these talks. and he was even more strident say, really of calling on israel prime minister to revise his position. fortunately is really sites here, there was calls to really keep us focused on that situation that these really
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minister for a pictures of the baby that's being held hostage. and of course this is a really primordial question to security for israel. not least to say of course the posting a minister who was present how to similarly passionate the people talking about the flight of golf and children. mean if you was, we've got about a minute left. what about inside the european union itself? i mean, how united is the you when we're talking about a push for a 2 state solution. you have any u. s. united in that coal for 2 state solution, but that's really about a the european union is divided overall on how to approach this conflict. we have on the one hand, for example, germany, which really insights these rules, right? to self defense due to not least, that historical responsibility that germany has to protect jewish life. on the other end of the spectrum, countries like ireland in spain that have been quite clearly and early on calling for a permanent ceasefire. there are no, what i would say is that in the early days after that terror attacked by him off in october 7th, there was
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a real can coffee of different positions from the you got messaging has no client. there is less of a uh okay. maxine messaging and what i think will be the cases that moving forward, the states will continue to really speak more on their own behalf unless as the 27 isn't united look here simply because what they can agree on is very little and, and in many ways limited really to that goal for 2 state solution, rosie were charged with the latest from brussels, do not raise, he's always thank you. as well today continues online. you'll find this on x, also known as twitter and youtube, that you w news. you can probably be a britain dot tv and remember what ever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then everybody the
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