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if you were to sleep and we're paying for now and then when generations this week dw is kind of fun. it feels like there's a partial when for south africa in the hey again, it's called case against israel at the international court of justice. the claim, genocide and gaza. and even though the u. n's, top court order israel to act immediately to prevent genocide of the territory and ruling israel must do more to protect civilians. it stopped short of calling for a ceasefire. and that is a partial in phase. well, find a routing on the issue is years away. i'm gonna have the office and this is the day i of the
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tape measure to send its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement. to commit genocide in relation to the members of the palestinian groups and the gaza strip, we will continue to do what is necessary to defend our country and defend our people. we call in all states to insure the code provision on measures to, to play the port out of containment, including as a heads up, we'll find out. we firmly if indeed, that's what i'm seeing this document pressure. i'll be more considered an effort towards a ceasefire. the charge of genocide level against is or is not only for the region also on the day presidential elections in finland, nato's new is member sends voters to the polls. security was over the neighboring,
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a rush job playing a big role. but so to the concerns of the younger tech savvy generation, if i use use to get criticize about or things that made took away your credibility . they are not the same things anymore. or at least among your younger voters, you have to go to their level it is at least a partial when for a south africa, the international court of justice as recognize, recognize a risk of genocide in the gaza strip. then another blinds is around to end its military operation. that in a preliminary decision, in the genocide proceedings, bruce to the hague, why south africa? the highest quote of the united nations voted 15 judges to 2 on its main conclusion . here's what the leading jobs have to say. the court notes that the military operations being conducted by israel following the attack of 7 october 2023,
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has resulted in a large number of deaths and injuries, as well as massive destruction of homes, the forcible displacement of the vast majority of the population. and extensive damage to civilian infrastructure. in the courts view, the aforementioned facts and circumstances are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights famed by south africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible. this is the case with respect to the right of palestinians and gaza to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts identified an article 3. israel must take measures in its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement. to commit genocide in relation to the members of the palestinian group and the gaza strip. outside the un call at the head of the palestinian delegation at the icy j m r. he jersey told dw, it was a historic day for palestinians. we think that it is historic decision today for
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the 1st time and there's 3 of the city and people under struggles to independence and freedom. is there a that oppressive husband has to account in front of the highest score in the world? this is unimportant development. we believe that the today is read and 3rd state, but the spot these to the conventions have an obligation to and 1250. i guess the people off the road name is what else? prime minister benjamin netanyahu said his country would continue to pursue its military goals. and it's for in gaza. israel's commitment to international law is on wavering a equally unwavering is our sacred commitment to continue to defend our country and defend our people. the charge of genocide level against israel is not only false, is the rages and this in people everywhere should reject it. as well as among the
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countries that do not accept the authority of the un top quotes as binding. i aust stuff on time on a professor of international law at the university of bone, if he thinks that israel will adhere to at least some of the preliminary measures demanded by the i c j. i think it will because if you look at the measures for that, you will see that the 1st 3 hours of the 6 messages actually just repeat the obligations under the genocide convention is rather has argued all alone. that is complying with the genocide convention. so there is only left the order that it is to enable the provision of humanitarian assistance and to get it as well. probably could argue that it is already in a building a, the provision of humanitarian assistance. i think the policies will crawl about this because this will say it,
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he's already providing humanitarian assistance on south africa, whole side, it is not enough, but this will basically say they are complying with the old. so all that there is left is that this row has to prove the evidence. and again, these roll might well say that it is preserving any evidence that is not destroying any evidence. and so the only thing left is that israel has to report in the months time that it is actually doing what it is doing. and we are now joined by on my box. or if he's a profess of holocaust and genocide, studies at brown university in cambridge, massachusetts. he joins as uh, from that a professor. what's your reaction to today's ruling by the i c j. hi. thank you for having me. um, i think this was not surprising. the expectation was the, the professional measures would not include a see find, i think the some reasons why
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a and the measures that were advocated by the court. where are those that we expect to, um, i think that they have a significant effect on things. so 1st of all, because they do mean that there would be more attention to what this was doing go so um, internationally and legally. secondly, because israel will have to report them that in some manner in a months time. um and finally i think that the very facts, the, to this rule has been the one cause that has been adjudicated as a plausibly inactive genocide is something of the very few countries in the world have been subjected to. and particularly a country like israel, which was created on the ashes of the holocaust in the optima which should the
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genocide convention was actually inactive by the way. now, what about it is whereas claim that it's already abiding by international law. and the legend you always said, israel's army is the quote, most moral ami in the world, or what obviously not everyone agrees with these statements. otherwise, we would not have been in the, in this position of this war, in particular, even without taking into account the context. this one in particular, has seen the killing of about 25000 people, or the destruction of much of casa, the estimate of 10000 children killed. and so to cool the idea for right now as the most more, i'm in the world. sounds almost cynical. deb, this quote cannot deal with the question of won't crying so crimes against
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humanity, but obviously these masses will also have to be adjudicated wherever eventually is was found is guilty of general set on not, not as any hours said it's outrages that is what others facing of genocide accusation doesn't have a point that the something bizarre about accusing the home country of the jewish people, the state of the holocaust survivors of committing genocide themselves. yes, it is. it's, it's so trade is but not in demand of the attorney. i would like it to sell itself tre, just that the country that was built off to the holocaust. and that became a safe haven for jews. would be acting in a way that would make it possible for another country to accuse it of genocide and to end up in the i c j. so the name here is that the tiny
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out by saying that actually played into the south african claim that there is a dispute between israel. a south africa, the court today this morning was speaking about the, the, it's really defense tried to say whether it's not really a dispute, but by saying that it's outrages to claim that he show that there is a dispute over the, this issue. and it's a very balancing position for israel to be in right now. uh now in terms of the main accusation by south africa, that is where it is committed committing genocide against protesting is how strong the south africa's case. well, you know, i mean it's very difficult to prove genocide as has been often said, because it's close to, to showing both in tends to destroy a particular group, a search and they actually suction and the intent is being
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expressed. and the court has mentioned this a game today, so various people with executive power and israel has spoken about the destroying gaza watching it out about people in gauze as being human animals and so forth. the question is whether the adf has acted upon that there is evidence of massive destruction and coming, is this killing and done with an intention to destroy the point of sending people in gaza as such, or is it collateral damage, so to speak, and indiscriminate bombing, and showing it, but as the donors is, there, i have a be, i think that if, excuse me, for enter up there is a keeps saying that it is targeting how mazda, how mazda operators are hiding all the hospitals and private residents. so it does
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is, well, i have a case that it has a case, but the problem is that when you go to war, you know, the, the conditions under which you agree to attack it. i mean, this was all known in advance. and once you are attacking a territory in which there are large numbers of civilians, it is the responsibility of the army to make sure that it conforms with the laws of war. i'm here, i'm not speaking about genocide, but simply above the the, the, the, the laws of war. and if the damage being cool is to civilians, the kenning of civilians is disproportionate. to your ministry go, then you could be accused of war crimes, and the numbers of civilians killed a so high. the one must say that the way it was being conducting its war, leds to this result, and perhaps the war could have been conducted differently. and quite apart from the
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fact that instead of going to this kind of war is or could, is considered is also a political cause. which until now these really government is refusing to follow me now. and you are a professor of history of calls. and this will, has been come pad to the attacks that the allied forces have made on the nazi germany, indiscriminate hourly attacks with tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of civilian victims. is this comparison a valid as well? it is an interesting case. the british american air force intentionally bombed open german cities with the intention of killing civilians and killed about 600000 just mostly during the civilians and potentially they could have been accused of war crimes. but if you think about it,
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in terms of genocide, in some ways, the proof is in the pudding that is when the british and americans occupied you and then a, what they did was to try to re select it. they helped it rebuild itself. they had no intention of destroying the german people as such. and that says if israel, at the end of this, this war, hopefully very soon, resorts to try to remove that the student is from guns. we would understand its actions in one way. if it's actually enters into political negotiations with the go to rebuild the civilian life and gaza and ultimately reached a piece where the posting is. we would see these actions differently. so it depends very much on its intentions. and here, as i say, the issue of intent is crucial at this case, no matter how it turns out,
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mark a true turning point in is really history. you know, it's hard to say and i'm, and i'm not sure it's just this case with the i c j. but i think that what's happened on october 7th and subsequently can and hopefully we'll leave to a complete change of the political power at the time. i think it's become clear that israel cannot win, simply, mainly terribly cannot result of its main issue. which is that in the area between the jordan embassy list 7 menu and choose and 7000000 per cent is not going anywhere they want to live. so they feel that they're part of the country and they have to find a way to live side by side. and in the last 20 of years with the 10 year old and power, his whole policy was to marginalize the per cent in issue to say we can manage it and meanwhile,
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will run things the way we like that blew up on october 7th. and hopefully this will need, including of course, the, the i c j case will lead to a different view of how the politics of this region should be conducted as well. and you're talking about the region as one of the world's leading authorities on the holocaust. and genocide, what impact do you think this case will have on other countries? will it affect how countries pursue war in the future? is supposed to go in, in the region. the israel has an in the middle east. the on now to clear options. one is as, as being now raised by a number of major of countries, northley saudi arabia, visa countries that are saying that they are willing to have a peace agreement with it as well, which is what the israel always wanted of said that each wanted as long as there is
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a resolution of the conflict between israel and the palestinians. so we could say that at least the silver lining of all the hallways that have occurred on an us to october 7th, would be a resolution of, of, of this conflicts regionally. if this is not result of this region can get into uncontrollable conflict that even the united states would find very hard to stop in terms of what i'm conducting war in general, i think we will always learn the same lesson the already fund clowes of it's towards us at the beginning of the 19th century, which is that was should always be the extension of politics. but other means israel went through this war without a clear political agenda. that's why one reason that is now bogged down in gaza and potentially getting to be bogged down in level known as well. thank you very much, professor alma boss of of brown university. thank you.
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the in federal and vote is going to the polls on sunday to elect a new president's deposition is mainly ceremonial, but the person who holds the job is in charge of foreign and security policy. 2 roles that have grown massively unimportant since neighboring russia launched its war against ukraine because finland's reactions to the war was to join the military lines, nato, agreeing moscow in the process through the use. terry schultz filed this report from the finish capital helsinki. finland a new president will lead, is markedly different from the one of elections, past society, both inductor negative to understand that we have a big neighbor. we'd better take that interest into account and try to be mean by a positive way, cooperating with them and doing basements and everything solely meanest was elected
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to run this finland in 2012. the finished president is in charge of the nation's foreign policy, and meanest, earned the nickname, the proven whisper for his ability to communicate with his kremlin counterpart. but after russia launched war on ukraine, he shepherded his country quickly into nato, a once unimaginable, and became approved credit. you cost these look up the mirror us, which means that having served the maximum to 6 year terms, 3 men are topping the poles to be the next tenants of this presidential palace. former prime minister alexander stood, but from the liberal, conservative national coalition party is leading close behind are the green, former foreign minister pick a hobby sto and you see hollow from the right wing bins party. but due to national unity over russia policy and solidarity with ukraine, they haven't had the usual array of issues to argue about your call. and they have differing opinions about nato anymore because we just entered there. you call me of
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the feeling of differing opinions about national security so that these are kind of big, big questions, which kind of have all these answers. so there is no differentiation policy without huge policy differences, voters are looking at other characteristics like candidates ability to communicate careers. my i'm self promotion. having typically been things bins are looking for and their presidential hopefuls on serious issues. they've always been expected to walk the talk, but never before on tick tock. the intimate social media post, a former prime minister, son at martin dancing was a huge controversy for many reasons. but it still broke through societal barriers. candidates have put a lot of effort into online campaigns. the things i use use to get criticize about or things that made took away your credibility. they are not the same things anymore. or at least among your younger voters,
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you have to go to their level. but regardless of whether campaigning has occasionally looked lighthearted, the new president has serious issues or waiting. like thousands of migrants reported, least still massed on the russian side of the board, or waiting to cross into finland, presumably without visas. a tactic hybrid warfare expert and you've solved a line and expects russia to continue using to test finland wave. i see this off the summer because now we have that big border guard called winter. and linda is due to reopen the border crossings that closed with russia the same day. the 2nd round of presidential voting takes place. february 11th, and we can now tilt correspond, and terry shows on file dash report for us to you've just described in the election compound. it sounds a bit black last is the candidates don't have any way to distinguish themselves by taking different stands on important issues. how about citizens deciding who to vote for to it's true that when i was there,
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i heard that voters are complaining that the campaign has been boring. if you don't have anything to fight about, then you really don't find yourself gravitating toward one candidate or another in, in the ways that you normally would. so i expect that voters will fall back largely on, on party loyalty for one thing. and i heard that the people are looking to, to really feel something personal from the candidates for perhaps the 1st time in a finish election. and that's why social media has been so important. they want to learn something about candidates lives. and that's really new in feeling because, for example, the man who's now leading the race, alexander stood, was criticized years ago for sharing too much on social media. he would tweet about his runs and what he had for breakfast and people didn't like that. so that's another sign of how much finland has changed in the last few years. now, is that any jobs? one of these candidates could get more than half the votes and when in the 1st round around and when do we know that?
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it doesn't look likely it while alexander student is leaving it's not by enough is by is nowhere near 50 percent. and so one of these other 2 guys pick a hobby store, usually holler, who will be in the final round. along with alex stood. i mean, it wouldn't be just incredible if, if any of them could take 50 percent, that would require a turn out that it's really, really unlikely. and speaking of turn out, almost a 3rd of bins voted in early voting. and so when it, when we want to know when we'll get the results, i just read today that it will take so long to cast those for it to count those early balance that, that won't even be done on sunday when the in person building wraps up so it may take longer to find out who goes into the 2nd round because of so many early ballots. now you mentioned how important social media is a for, to, to gain to use vote. one of the priorities of young friends. what are they worried about? a you know, this is interesting because normally among young voters who hear
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a lot more about climate change and, and in finland is quite a green country actually very concerned about about climate. so you would think to pick a hobby. so the green candidate would be doing a lot better, but i learned something really interesting from, from this young woman from the center. she was council and she said, you know, national security is also really important among teenagers and phyllis, even among those who are too young to vote. and that's because feeling never did away with conscription, every mail has to go in and do his national military service. so when they're in their, in their late teens, they're starting to think about, well, which candidate might take the country into war. because i'm going to be in the reserves. i'm going to be, you know, in, in the active service for several years. and so i found that really interesting that national security is really a high priority among teenage bins, sorry, breezy. do you think the kremlin will be watching these elections closely? absolutely, the finish russian relationship was so important to both sides for ad,
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for decades. and now it's basically crumbled, but as the hybrid warfare expert, they're told us he expects that moscow will be testing this new president. perhaps 1st with these migrants that they've mast along the border, but there will certainly be other tests to come. and he expects that if that doesn't work out, if the new president holds firm that perhaps this uh, this plan to push people over the border will, will fade away and law school try something else. of course, bonded terry shows the reporting from helsinki in finland. thank you very much terry and that is the so for today the funnel i seen on social media as dw and use and if it's the latest headlines analysis and background, you're looking for this was a website, dw, dot com, or check it out. i highly recommended print off from the entire team on the day.
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this is the, the news line from balance view and the top court orders as well to act immediately to prevent possible genocide and gaza. it says israel must do more to protect civilians, but stopped schultz of calling, forcing the god office. thank you for joining us. the you and still called has ordered israel
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