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nigeria, and would you believe me if i told you that this country has over 300 ethnic groups? that's crazy to think about. and with that comes of a 500 languages, making this one of the most diverse countries in the world. but that's a bus it because sometimes gets in its own way, resulting to tribalism. and the question today is candace country over comments. and what can the older folk learn from the younger people who better to ask the fellow nigeria and thank you all for joining us. but before we begin, i'd like to ask a general question. how many of you here have experienced tribalism, directly or indirectly? let me see by show of hands in directly and directly. okay, so quite a fair amount of you. let's start with you. i mean, what was that experience like if you don't mind sharing it was very uncomfortable because essentially we are such a huge nation and we have so many languages. so hearing that you cannot have an opportunity to do something because your family might north to tribal from

a tribe that is not central. what's actually very uncomfortable for me. so was this something that happened where you were denied a service or you, what do you like? what give us a few more details. okay, so these pictures i was, um, i wasn't the relationship with someone and i was not allowed to marry this person because he was from one of the truck. so it was kind of, you know, uncomfortable, it was back and forth between families. what you don't know if this person, i know him so it's about the people know about whether from what the people are like or what the people have done, etc, etc. okay, so we've been raised his hand. yeah. and he's actually a historian. so before we continue with people's personal experience is just take us back a little bit. where does the idea of tribalism begin to in? they do. others, they show up, try bodies in the games. me. i the pre quality up here. yeah. and okay. as long as you mentioned, mangee is home to multiple ethnic groups, so people exist that either different ethnic levels. and then we had the colonial period. okay. and where the, the, the, clearly, almost as i'm in use use the,

the issue i'll try by using, okay, to roll the country forward, you have benefits. okay. and then we have the post independence period as a postcolonial period. that's where we had the, the codes and then we had the codes i caused. and then of course, you know, the 1st cool was that there are, there are different positions that it was a selective because i think be cool because of the selective targets ok of those that were involved. but they're also opposing arguments against that. well that's cause that's, that's, that's the history. that's how you came down. i mean, the program that followed up to, just to conclude it was, i am because i've looked at the 1st 2. i mean, lots of people from the eastern extraction we're guilty with with, with that. okay. and that was quite a problem on that has that has formed part of the whole fabric on the whole system of nigeria, of the country. yeah. so a very doc and sometimes violent history because of tribalism. thank you. so he started cutting, we used to insights in the low,

it's pretty cool now period. there's a lot of new fighting amongst your rust if i didn't know, call them save your rough. uh, a tub while you try it to try to help the butte for the house has to it is the same thing. they used to always spies almost themselves, and the boys, especially the boys, because they will have you saying that you well i'm, i guess i'm on you, but i'm flying the black but simply means that people has looking, you know, says they have more central authority. the address times, let's say this is the town or the talk, and you always buy to for one talking to the other. so you raise a very important point to, oh, i really loved the enthusiasm here, but i have to send to buck the debate for a 2nd. looking around nigeria today, i mean i can't distinguish between unable i your bought a house. so how does it money fest in contemporary nigerian life the other day i was online and then someone you know, says that the euro bought the euro, but try like, foamed or made, you know, nobody would, which is the 3rd biggest movie industry and well as people were saying, oh no,

this one was struggling, is the evolve within the system. is that no, it's the house of and i was just thinking about something. i'm like, why do we have to bring the at the, the whole nature of tribe into this conversation. i'm from a minority fact, we don't even make noise. what does it mean that i'm less balance at? no right now, and also show me that you can see people insulting themselves. people trying jobs that you show that when like i ask, where is humanity? yeah. okay. so you as a very important question, why that needs to identify along tribal lines and not just as they do as normally would as after beads. let's ask henry here because he works for a national agency or orientation which is basically supposed to unites nigerians. there's nothing intrinsically wrong with identifying with your tribe is the so where does the child is coming? does that was yeah, said a lot of things on up, you know, so shoot me that that's bringing a bunch of memories that i'd be here. go back to our bodies and back into us. okay, let me talk to somebody who knows a little bit about social media, some of who's the digital strategies. so does this imply that it's young people because that the ones who a majority of social media,

who have been heavy to this disease of tribalism, major has about what's to be under ethnic groups? 500 languages. if you put people of different needs in the same place, it's bound to be a disagreements, right? i think to just an early natural that those days would happen. the young people let you know for oh, you check these like those people people, the, your about people on it. it's what they knew on what i think ease if one of their i differentiate issue be similarities, right. and did you all got people don't really care about? the difference is if you ask everybody we don't really care, right. the younger people have their own cultural, don't be these, these things, you know? and i think this, we try at the end of the day. okay. so i'm hearing here, i'm going to come to you just a 2nd. i'm hearing a lot of. we're really not try believes we don't care what tribe you come from. and yet you're telling me that in your politics, sometimes even in your relationships tribalism is sleeping through why is that? let me hear from someone of about you. i would like to touch on the aspects of

culture. i think the culture is men's uniform, that mentally to integrate just as the people and the fact that he behaves he's maybe equal and i'm your about or he's how is that it doesn't change the idea and the fact that there is an aspect of individuality and everybody, so i said i'd be costs if i have, if i have a bad activity, for example, when i say that it is been night during that made me have it, but i think you know, it is me. it's angel, maria, maybe, but i will. i didn't think that the training that my parents gave me, maybe i didn't listen to them very well when i was growing up. that is what make me happy about aptitude. ok. ok, yes i do. and because you mentioned, if i know you want to say something, but i want to come to it gets you pool for a 2nd here because we are hearing about the values of a sometimes of pride to you as part of your culture and your identity. fantastic. but isn't there room for national values for a night jury and i just for someone like me comes, are you not you? i don't have the, the, the loves me will be new. ty, buddies, i know is the reason why say this is because, 1st of i am equal by twice,

i'm delta and by what we do, i'm going by by dressing nice, the nice ation m house. so by my, which i don't epic by my time out of condition. so i, you can see, so how do you, how do i find myself and it's kind of what you're doing. so how do i, how do i, you know, become, sorry about these things. so i think it's, it has a lot to do with the individual, especially when i, when i hear people see i'm, i'm especially excited to mind before the 9 julian, i say something which is the height of social. you need to be a human before you belong to be try. now you hear the houses call you the evil is the, i mean, you know, the, what do you, i mean you actually came from that same movie which means give me, we'll talk when you try to get, try to tell someone that, that the, the, a bad people are you calling them appleton? you also have you saw with my friends, so your friends, the back button. so you see if you, when you point the finger of someone so much is going to not you let me hear from to bill for a 2nd here by the way. i love the quiet that's happening in the background. yeah. yeah. yeah. so the few things that you've said, and i want to give you

a chance to, i just want to build on what you said. lack of the memory. he called me was a, it's something that monday ted, he's a slogan, dude, in the sequel. so, you know, there's a way he's to be used to fits us. so this new generation of let's see, all of us that the don'ts see that us office. so but um, when, when history's been taught to them, that's when do now we call that school. so this is what this means. so advocates in history from the equality for them done by the den presidents or disabled lessons a which is a 2 widths in the bronx and i'd be too, so one of these to be from the sea level is just to take off this. well, see what was being team to try bodies to upwards, to tease it away from the new edge and it is on, well it's, it's done. it has its pros and cons. uh, let me get somebody sign you for a 2nd because you've been wanting to speak for a while and i want to find out from you is that this disconnect between the young

generation and the older generation. the older generation being the ones who went through the civil war will really know about this cause of tribalism. yeah. so the, the big disconnect, i see that the very, or whenever people kindly during the election, these pos electronics, it was very, very over. it was very clear where the oh daddy, the oh that was the kind of like, relax um, do you want to put too much pressure of the just comfortable where the way you get somebody like the very subdued you gotta do your thing to move forward. you see what i think is on social media, how old are quantities i'm moving forward, periods and everything. and it wants to like what's happened you, we have all the resources, you have everything while we still hear you get the whole and testing showed how unique is that you need. um is very, very uh, you know, the most of the younger generation, the most name, pre id until you have you, christine, got it outside. the thing is increasing type ranges then got everywhere. you guys. so it was this, it was a very beautiful for me to see, to weakness, be good. so i think, uh, well the reason that holding those box because of the,

the things that happened to the breaches came in and divided everywhere. and then, you know, say using that system is the one they put it on the system because it's not visible . is that what you want to hear about us, or are you on agency? i think we should need to, we need to be very, very black and white. the bulky very on this. if you ever on it's going to see things you read the and then be able to point it out. you get. so let me get some practical examples. anyone here who has parents, who a very try police and it makes you uncomfortable. anyone or whose parents hold views that you are like i, i am a anyway, my dad used to tell me at the time that you know, matters for me about this a lot. try. that'd be gone to what that why? i box them several times. you will not as i'm you just telling me these do grandma body from that's right. i know fortunately for when i go to dress my close friends obviously be from from the tribe. so let me ask emmy because you started

a self with the story about marriage. what is a big deal in marrying outside of your community? according to the people who are against. okay, so i'm from bios that states and essentially my people are turned in my lawyer to try because we don't make up, you know, a large number of the people in nigeria. we have small tribes. so my re, somebody from much, i've been just, you know, continued the line is continue of the culture continued that that's what they've done to risk marrying your cousin. you feel such a small try? it's actually helpful. yeah. so yes, it does happen. and i don't think it's frowns on, it's just not too close to home. but i think after which i would say that that murray's been work how not because of what they did was because the 2 of us agreed much with me that we should not continue to eviction should what they wanted was just so that i try continue and i think that personally, i fear by in the coming years if we could see me on my re like that, like that, like that maybe we might not have by us. oh okay. let me hear from the general

manager. all right, um i will start with this. i was frozen up or down before i became a nigeria and i was an engineer. and before i became a new person, i worked with most of the people from the north. i'm from the west. you and has done it when i, when i go back to up with you, i did the job, i'm supposed to resume from somebody who's on the notes. so my personal experience having to work with these different kind of people makes me want to know more about cultural redid jones. i've tried this one i never had, i've seen whenever i've come across so important, there shouldn't be died. dogs, these being thought type, i listed, you know, it doesn't make sense. you don't got generations, we need to put our heads together, get, go back to history, make research and you know, see how we can push to get on and making energy at work. ok. so i just want somebody to clarify something for me because it seems that the issue of i believes in comes up when it's intimate relationships, right? so not my rage. what about business? what about politics? to let me have somebody who wants to respond to them. so our weakness and have

values and when i was to the secondary school in front of my who was my name sick, but he wasn't fault. it was the delta e both on the phone, the closing $9.00 across the 9 to and we got to think about marketing. you've been engineering engineering to go through that. didn't get that question and it'd be that way through different places. i say hearing that because i'm from delta, i'm across the 9 job, i'd be more number on there as close to my cost to be hired on the 2nd level. so p, p to god's lives done died from the old. i am from the north on 5 on every gets into school and you don't get into my study and get this is really imagined i okay, is happening on the secondary level, adult level education and imagine wasn't on politics, business every other thing. so i think national registered in jersey, they have no, i don't think they've address all these issues. well, here is the national orientation agents. okay, what i will tell you that i'm not sure what additional agencies do the last round the government to saying you're doing nothing. that's what i'm about to tell you what the government suggest. apart from the security desk, that's

a suppressed sense in all the someone that started for the government. and so we are programs out of sets in place to address tri bodies. and one of them is beauty before piece. government also puts measures in place as a subs some government. they just went to dance for the collector commission. you mentioned, you know, that time that you saw a pass by, by the name of the embodied use, entire initial. she's interesting such a hassle law, not only that it doesn't pull you up with this. it doesn't really happen. it probably is. this is the opposite. gomez, sec. well, goodness, i've noticed that and that's a government addressing place to where i showed that to the source. these are quote you, i, one of them is for, is that correct? okay. okay. i think we should do, i need to bring a little bit of history to that. so what would you do? we should lose sight of what tribes, by the way, let's just clarify that for a 2nd, because i only have, like, you have the what try in relation to africa. when we go to the northern hemisphere, they are referred to as ethnic groups. what's the issue? why? well, i think the, that's, that shouldn't be

a problem. i think we should focus on what tried these as the word i didn't know about being. it is, it is good identity. the problem is try bodies and which is the behavior ok try it is a basic human instinct. is it best to just lay a whole guy just like um, i'll be tied for these off with that. okay, that's what's how human survived in preceding seems to be like this, you know they're, they have to come together. okay, so that's colorado, that's rate move from pre era to more than say though we, i know there's a tendency to find co thoughts in your community. okay. there's a tendency to find refuge in your community where you can identify with people. i think what we have to do is to report post that. okay, do i find safety, indiana, right? do i find safety intimate coming from euro by coming from people that say it's yeah . let me just wait, you know, just just she wanted say, when humanity comes into the picture, you don't have to worry whether or not you would find safety in the hands of

a. how is that person or you will because kindness is supposed to be a universal think given that yeah. how is that your by your people. ringback should not be a problem i told i think that from the outside what i don't see us as the sales rep nigerians. and i think that we should carry ourselves in that one accord us one people because it uses when i see you in school, i don't ask you what, what, what they do come from. oh my, my jerome brother, when i see in america when i do and when i see and gone out, when i do and uh, hold on, let me get victor chance. he hasn't spoken. okay. um, well, and what is the thing that you all, you'd save this quote, quotes the 1st time i came to the west illegals, i'm from texas dd's because somebody usually goes in the come. how do we fit them? yes. house. ok. but because it was in the west, the south didn't got anywhere that's from that we don't use those to natalie. how sort of experience um try bodies in industrial. i was actually no good thing. so it was, it was very rare to me because it was supposed to like you mentioned mangee and bring us together what you've been via you have people that being said by the 6. so you

definitely also need to give it as a menu as individuals and go back and re learn orlando i really interesting. so yeah, what i would like was to take notes of 2 things. now guys, the particular time in the meet you were calling to implement, easy, not you probably move, i mean, cruise things like mostly i will this page, the practice isn't going to jump, don't wait and it still good. now i don't want us to be totally on watts who will be almost as defined, plus my job uses the 30 tomorrow. so let's suppose that you split up national studies, and that's the way for you. if i see my step has been my dream, you see a fit as we might do now. we up, oh, these people must on obviously the usual try bodies. i don't do, i think so before we, before we move on to far, how exactly does government use tribalism to manipulate? let's, let's start with power and it's such a pulse. i don't think the government plays a role in this. i think it is us. mix up the government, individuals who mix up the system, we're complaining about individuals. so this people, your, me,

you from one of the city takes one person to change the situation. you get your boss come in by boosting this. you not, you're not the most efficient. you can, might, as the nation will all be united, you have, i don't see they've got 0, but i don't see them down people. i don't see how would you mind what because we're expecting government is the government. i think we should just stop saying it's annoying. we have failed to mention to other very big institutions that play parts into our bodies. and that's our family and religion. um, the ink ran some values and goods on principles into, you know, you go and then from your family, you move into school and from school while you're in school, you'll also pop over religion like, you know, and i don't want to go to what we agree on we know that until this all, the institutions sick, the issue of tribalism, seriously, on the price around find a way to make sure that it is car tailed, even the government will trying to do guy porting what time to be a bus. good. now let me tell you, one thing i traveled on down to a phone was telling me, oh, where are you from? i said, well, i'm glad you're in always states. i said cross your boss. oh, if the i able, i said, i'm most people on this month,

a dude with me that i am able, i have a tried. it is just my know what i have, i tried is actually very insulting to just got like he said, because he's from a black to say this like he's how's that it's still on there. so this thing is i feel i wish it because you also play a good spot, which you learn. i know that it was even all see i got older. yeah. yeah. even some of you, you talk to them know the or i stayed in 93. i bought from you both the most bit kind of rough. you don't know, i'm a say, i think was you all educate ourselves very well. so what are we not? we tended to that we respect. all right, let me come to to you. so you see, i just, i said something and we just wait for the out right now. now she was offended because she's going across the bus. the doctor said she was the boo. it's any crazy, valuable pieces actually doesn't. okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on with it. i'm going somewhere. hold on, i'm going somewhere a little bit. i'm a good i. i know i know i'm going somewhere. you, you do, you, you good. you'd be upset because you're trying to make them understand the times outside to meet your tribes. right? no, that's stated, but i don't see the reason why you should be upset because you're going to hold on

. let me see. no, it was. i want to say your name is i dont know we go no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you kinda like like that. no. okay, okay. okay. okay, hold on. before we stop touring has let's, let's, let's take a deep breath. make your point. okay. so the thing is you're supposed to be upset, that's what needs to be speaking. you identity, right? i do educate them. okay, i got you cool. let me, let me, let, let me, let me through the question back up to you because it's, it's similarly to when you travel outside of the continent and you say you and i do in and you're introduced to academia and you told, well, you all african, there's something about erasing your identity and i think that's the point that she was trying to me. let's hear from you. victor is i just want to just tell you what i was or what is said since you just said it's, it's not about being offended xbox. you, i didn't, i didn't see that. why you were you uh like, my, like my, this is being safe to i don't like. i want to be called in month of why. yeah. not because i'm not because just because as you know for me a 2nd please,

so you don't generalize it. let me give drill a chance. please let me take was bucks to the jump issue? like my boat up pointed out, that's um, some duct us up looked at the sidelines, some people from some ethnic groups and it's a valid stick with if you do got to the whole thing because that is not true. yeah . changes as throughout the data to make sure that you have the presence of so so, so thrive and so, so please, because the federal commission has an ok that's a shows that everyone is when represented in every government agency and product starts up so. so yes, that, that's what appears to be what, that's not what it is, because then deluca, i would say something that i will, i won't go into details. i applied for a scholarship, and i got a phone call. they asked me, what are you from in your name is that you apply for them? like yes, yes, but where are you from? and i said by also states especially like ok, thank you. i'm like is that it's and i did not get that scholarship. i looked at

her that the one said, you know more people's more of your back to were trying to like really badly. and that was why it must be so much time if it's not because they want to use it and mix it bottle and see if it costs they want to take you. 3 okay, okay, so while i really, i'm seriously enjoying being suzy. as we move this debate, we really need to come to a rough up and talk about some solutions. we'll see how tribalism is affecting us in different ways. how do we stuff it? how do we so i think just like everything would be same individually thing. let's all see ourselves as individuals. let's all see ourselves as people. let's see, i feel a few months before we start looking at dr. i'm from here. i'm from day. that is the 1st place to start from. i believe that's split itself. i'm not sure. i'm not even sure be highly offer out governments. how's the pots? so please, literally just meet us. i'll be possible to play as well as the additional lead us does it. we full, okay, in addition to being human and kind, which is very, very important. we all i, i will still keep hammering on education. because if you are well educated,

i need to know like if you have sets an information, you will not misconstrue things that are not supposed to be misconstrued. i think we have a lot of work to do in our rural communities. the collections we happen in the right area, so the message needs to be driven down to those levels. okay. if i yeah. so i think it's 2 boys down to the government. the government is up to really be presenting. what does those 3 present people respect on and follow the stand you did do our present very well. everybody does the same. ok. wherever they talk about the try bodies, him on the negative side, he's actually you come from sophie's interest. let me tell you what tribe is all about. and i do recall there is this particular lot. no it's not is actually, um is actually run in the west, but it's in the north. i celebrate that in the is. so this is what's 5 using later . oh, i love go. okay. so on that notes, i've got to ask you all for a small favor,

because i know you're drawn from different tribes. i want you guys to show a little bit to share with our global audience, something unique about your cultural background. what i don't know, everyone knows that or before line is regarding that milk and also the ingredients that used to be paid. it is loved all over the world. what yahoo? uh. the delta and the depth. the boat. yeah. the what tell people know, is this the tire that's cold up which up? is it a beautiful? that's how i and his white. so he to picks it up to a piece and you need to. yeah, let me hear about you and it's home to the bread. this is in the country. i mean, if you can't do it goes that. all right, so the name to god bless the vision, dental. we have very diverse beautiful cultures and they have the best where their names here. all right, so i will come in here and go to a mutual. nadia is very beautiful. please. so do not take what you see on social media, please visit nigeria and enjoy as a very beautiful place. so at the beginning of this debate, i ask a simple question. is it possible for the young generation to teach the older

generation how to overcome? try but it's in i think all of you here have shown resoundingly that the answer is a definite yes. i have never felt so good after discussing something so tenuous. thank you all for watching the the, the, the

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