of course we say they're about never giving up every weekend on d w this week on the 77 percent street debate and i did not get that scholarship. i looked, i heard that they wanted, you know more people's more of your back to where trying to like d, w. and that was why it must be this month. jude reach me that i'm people i haven't tried. it is just mine or what i have. i tried, i think, well, the other issue about what do you know about that? not transition, i guess is doing a lot rather go what she's saying. you're doing nothing. the hello and welcome back to the 77 percent sweet debate this week. we are in lagos, nigeria, and would you believe me if i told you that this country has over 300 ethnic groups?

that's crazy to think about. and with that comes over 500 languages, making this one of the most diverse countries in the world. but that's a bus that because sometimes gets in its own way, resulting to tribalism. and the question today is, candace country overcoming and what can the older folk learn from the younger people who better to ask the fellow nigeria and thank you all for joining us. but before we begin, i'd like to ask a general question, how many of you here have experienced tribalism, directly or indirectly? let me see if i show of hands in directly and directly. okay, so quite a fair amount of you. let's start with you. i mean, what was that experience like if you don't mind sharing it was very uncomfortable because essentially we are such a huge nation and we have so many languages. so hearing that you cannot have an opportunity to do something because your from the minority tribal from a try, but it's not central. what's actually very uncomfortable. so was this something

that happened way you were denied a service or you, what do you need? what give us a few more details. okay. so the situation was, um, i wasn't the relationship with someone and i was not allowed to marry this person because the what's coming up the truck. so it was kind of, you know, uncomfortable, you want to back and forth between families. what you don't know this person, i know him so it's about the people know about whether from what the people are like or what the people have done, etc, etc. okay, so we've been raised his hand. yeah. and he's actually a historian. so before we continue with people's personal experiences, just take us back a little bit. where does the idea of tribalism begin to in? they do each other, they show up tight bodies in the games. me, i the pre quality up here. yeah. and okay. as long as you may showed lends you out is home to a multiple ethnic groups. so people exist at the different ethnic levels. and then we had the colonial period, okay. and where the, the, the clearly, almost as i'm in use use the, the issue of try by using, okay to rule the country forward, you have benefits. okay. and then we had it posted independence period as

a postcolonial period. that's where we had the, the cruise and then we had the codes i caused. and then of course, you know, the 1st cool was that there are different positions that it was a selective because i think be cool because of the selective targets. okay, of those that were involved, but they're also opposing arguments against that. well, of course that's, that's, that's the history. that's how you came down. i mean, the program that followed up to just to conclude because i am because i've looked at the 1st 2, i mean lots of people from the east eastern extraction we're guilty with with, with that. okay. and that was quite a problem on that has that has formed part of the whole fabric on the whole system of nigeria, of the country. yeah. so a very doc and sometimes violence gets through because of tribalism. thank you. so he started cutting, we used to do in fighting the loads pretty colonial period. there's a lot of new fighting amongst your russ if i just not call themselves your ross as

a town while you try it. it's right to help the bill for the house has to. it is the same thing. they used to always buy it almost themselves and the boys, especially the boys because they will have you saying that you, well i'm, i guess i'm on the bottom for that. and he bought it simply means that people house looking, you know, says they have no central authority. the address time was, let's see, this is the town. i don't know the talk and they always buy to for one town to do all the. so you raise a very important point to, oh, i really loved the enthusiasm here, but i have to send to buck the debate for a 2nd. looking around nigeria today. i mean, i kind of distinguish between unable i your bought a house. so how does it money fest in contemporary we made julian life the other day i was online and then someone you know, says that the euro bought the euro, but try like, foamed or made, you know, nobody would, which is the 3rd because movie industry as well. as people were saying, oh no, this one was struggling. is the evil one. this doesn't say no. it's a how is that?

i was thinking about something. i'm like, why do we have to bring the, the, the holes mitchell type into this conversation. i'm from, i know it's, except we don't even make noise. what does it mean that i'm less balance at? no. right now. i know. so show me that you can see people insulting themselves. people trying jobs that due to about when, like i ask, where is humanity? yeah. okay. so you as a very important question, why that needs to identify along tribal lines and not just as they do as normally would as after beads. let's ask henry here because he works for a national agency or orientation which is basically supposed to unites nigerians. there's nothing intrinsically wrong with identifying with your tribe is the so where does the child is coming? that's what i was gonna say. um, a lot of things on up and also show me that that's bringing budget memories that i'd be he would do better about his impact into us. okay, let me talk to somebody who knows a little bit about social media, some of who's the digital strategies. so does this imply that it's young people because they're the ones who a majority of social media, who have been heavy to this disease of tribalism. the major has about what's to be

under ethnic groups. 500 languages. if you put to people of different believes in the same place, it's bound to be a disagreements, right? i think you just didn't really natural that those days would happen. the young people let you know for oh, you said these like those people, people do your about people on it. it's what they knew on what i think. even if there are differences, issue be similarities, right. and did you want got people don't really care about? the difference is if you ask everybody we don't really care, right. the younger people have their own cultural, don't be these, these things, you know? and i think this, we try at the end of the day. okay. so i'm hearing here, i'm going to come to you just a 2nd. i'm hearing a lot of. we're really not try believes we don't care what tribe you come from. and yet you're telling me that in your politics, sometimes even in your relationships tribalism is sleeping through why is that? let me hear from someone at the back here. i would like to touch on the aspect of culture. i think the culture is men's uniform, the mentality to integrate just as the people and the fact that he behaves. he's

very able and i'm your by or he's how is that it doesn't change the idea. and the fact that there was an aspect of individually to everybody. so i said i'd be costs if i have, if i have a bad activity, for example, when i say that it's, it's been, i do. and that made me have about that, you know, it is me, it's agile more. yeah. maybe, but i will. i didn't think that the training that my parents gave me. maybe i didn't listen to them very well when i was growing up. that is what make me happy about aptitude. ok. ok, yes i do. and because you mentioned, if i know you want to say something, but i want to come to it gets you cool for a 2nd here because we are hearing about the values of a sometimes of pride to you as part of your culture and your identity. fantastic. but isn't there room for national values for a night jury and i just for someone like me comes, are you not you? i don't have the, the, the loves me will be new. ty, buddies, i know is the reason why say this is because, 1st you by twice i'm delta and by what we do, i'm going to buy back so nice the nice ation and house of by my,

which i don't epic by my time out to dc. so i see, so how do you, how do i find myself and it's got a pretty soon. so how do i, how do i, you know, become type of these things? so i think it's, it has a lot to do with the individual as press when i, when i hear people see, especially the types of mind before we named julia and i, i say something which is a highly essential you need to be a human before you belong to we try now. you hear the houses call you the cables. yeah. maybe no the what do you, how many actually came from the tim movie which means give me, we'll talk when you try to get try to tell someone that the, the, the 5 people that you couldn't get my booking. you'll have you saw with my friends or your friends that but this is so easy to see when you point the finger of someone so much is pointing out to you. let me hear from you bill a for a 2nd here. by the way, i love the quiet that's happening in the background. yeah. yeah. yeah. so the few things that you've said, and i want to give you a chance to, i just want to build on what you said, lag the memory. you called give me want to,

it's something to and monday to is the smoke and do it in the civil war. so, you know, there's a way he's to be used to fits us. so this new generation of, let's see, all us that the don't see that us often see so, but when, when history is being taught to them, that's when do now recall, that's cool. so this is what this means. so advocates in history from the party for long done by the den presidents or the simple lessons a which is a 2 widths in the bronx. and i'll get you some of these to be from the sea level as does the vehicle this well see what was being team to try bodies to upwards, to tease it away from the new edge and it is on, well it's, it's done. it has its pros and cons. uh, let me get from you find you for a 2nd because you've been wanting to speak for a while and i want to find out from you is that this disconnect between the young generation and the older generation. the older generation being the ones who went

through the civil war, who really know about this cause of tribalism. yeah. so the big disconnect, i see that very or whenever people kindly during the election, these pos electronics, it was very, very over. it was very clear where the al daddy, the oh, that was the kind of like relax and you want to put so much pressure. they just comfortable where the way you get somebody like yourself. dude, you gotta do your thing to move forward. you see what happens on social media, how old are quantities are moving forward, periods and everything. and the wants to make was help when you we have all the resources, you have everything while we still hear you get the whole and fasting should how you need see is that you need is very, very you 90 most of the younger generation. the most name, pre id, um to get a decrease thing. got it outside the finished increasing type range. use them. got everywhere. you guys. so it was this, it was a very beautiful for me to see to weakness be good. so i think uh, well the other issue is out holding those box because of the, the things that happened to the breaches came in divided everywhere and,

and did not say using that as the system is the ones that put it on the system because it's not visible, is that what you want to get a bunch of our agency? i think we should need to. we need to be very, very black and white. the bulky very on this. if you ever wanted to kind of see things, you read the and then be able to point it out, you get. so let me get some practical examples. anyone here who has parents, who a very try police and it makes you uncomfortable. anyone or whose parents hold views that you're like i, i am a anyway, my dad used to tell me at the time that you know, matters for me. partners. lots like i love the guns. what are why i box them several times. they will not. as i'm you just telling me these do grandma body from that's right. i know fortunately for when i go to my close friends obviously be from from the tribe. so let me ask emmy because you started us off with the story about marriage. what is a big deal in marrying outside of your community?

according to the people who are against? okay, so i'm from bios that states and essentially my people are turned in my lawyer to try because we don't make up, you know, a large number of the people in nigeria. we have small tribes. so my re, somebody from much, i've been just, you know, continued the line is continue of the culture continued that that's what they've done to risk marrying your cousin. you feel such a small try? it's actually helpful. yeah. so yes, it does happen. i don't think it's frowns on, it's just not too close to home. but i think after which i would say that that murray's been work how not because of what they did was because the 2 of us agreed much with me that we should not continue to eviction should what they wanted was just so that i tried to continue and i think that personally, i fear by in the coming years if we could see me on my re like that, like that, like that maybe we might not have by us. oh, okay. let me hear from the gentleman here. all right,

um i will start with this. i was frozen up or down before i became a nigeria and i was an engineer. and before i became a new person, i worked with most of the people from the notes. i'm from the west. you and has done it when i, when i go back to up with you, i did the job, i'm supposed to resume from somebody who's on the notes. so as my personal experience, having to work with different kind of people makes me one to know more about our culture or do i really joins. i've tried this one i never had seen whenever i come across so important there shouldn't be died. dogs, these being thought type, i listed, you know, it doesn't make sense. younger generations, we need to put our heads together, get, go back to history, make research and you know, see how we can perhaps to get on and making energy at work. ok. so i just want somebody to clarify something for me because it seems that the issue of i believe them comes up when it's intimate relationships, right? so not microwaves. what about business? what about politics? let me hear somebody who wants to respond to them to our weakness and how about these and what else to them?

the secondary school, a friend of mine who was my name sick, but it wasn't fault. it was the delta able holding up on the close of $9000.00 across the 9 to and we got to think about marketing. you've been engineering engineering to go through that. didn't get that question. it'd be that way through different places. i say hearing that because i'm from delta care, i'm across the 9 just i see more number on there as i clicked on my cost to be hired on the 2nd level. so people to god's lives on the, on the or not, and from the north, on 5 on everything it gets into school and you don't get into my study and get this is really imagined. i ok is happening on the secondary level, adult level education. and imagine wasn't on politics, business every other thing. so i think national really does your engine see, do you have? no, i don't think they've addressed all these issues. well, here is the national orientation agent. okay, but i will tell you that i'm not sure i have to show you just is doing a lot where the government lets you saying you're doing nothing. that's what i'm about to tell you what the government suggests. and apart from security, jesse that's express sense in all the $700.00, so it's the for the,

for governments. so we are programs out of sets in place to address try bodies. one of them is beauty before piece. government also outputs measures in place as a subs some government. it just went to this for the collect our commission. you mentioned, you know, that time that you stop us pray by the name of the happenings in my digits entirely, such as expense that has not, not only that, it doesn't pull you up with this, it doesn't really happen to parties. this is also often and government sec, well goodness, i've noticed that and that's a government it just in place to ensure that yes such things are quote to you i, one of them is for is that correct? okay, okay. i think we should do. i need to bring a little bit of history to that, so we see them. we should lose sight of what drives by the way. let's just clarify that for a 2nd, because i only have like the other ones try in relation to africa. when we go to the northern hemisphere, they're referred to as ethnic groups. what's the issue? the why? well, i think the that's, that shouldn't be a problem. i think we should focus on what tribes as it would,

i'd say about being it is it is group identity. the problem is try bodies and which is the behavior ok try it is a basic human instinct. is it best to just lay a whole guy just like um, i'll be tied for these off with that. okay. that's was how human survived increasing 60 will have this out there. they have to come together. okay, so that's colorado. that's rate move from pre steve like this one era to, to more than say that we, i know there's a tendency to find comfort in your community. okay. there's a tendency to find refuge in your community where you can identify with people. i think when we have to do is to report posts that. okay, do i find safety, indiana, right? do i find safety in the mac with me, from euro by coming from people that say, yeah, let me just which know does, does she want it say when your mind is it comes into the picture. you don't have to worry whether or not you would find safety in the hands of a how is that person or you will because kindness is supposed to be a universal think given that yeah. how is that your about your people?

it should not be a problem i told i think that from the outside what i don't see us as that the sales rep nigerians. and i think that we should carry ourselves in that one accord us one people because it uses when i see you in school, i don't ask you what, what once they do come from? oh man, i do. um, brother, when i see you in america when i do and when i say your and gone out. well i julians uh hold on. let me give victor chance. he hasn't spoken. okay. um, do n y c? think nat geo, you service quote, quotes the 1st time i came to the west illegals and from bunch of states because somebody gives legos in the com. how do we fit them? yes. house. ok. but because it was in the west, the south thing that's anyway that's from that we don't use those generally how sort of experience um try bodies in industrial and i've seen a good thing. so it was, it was very rare to me because it was supposed to like you mentioned mangee on spring just to get off what you've been via you have people being tablets to you. so i feel like we also need to even as a menu of individuals and to go back and really learn online. i really interesting

. so yeah. what i would like was to take notes of 2 things. now there's a particular time in the meet you were calling to implement these, you know, you probably move, i mean, cruise things like mostly i will as page the prophecies and go to the jump. don't wait and it still good? no, i don't want us to be play on words. now most talk didn't define past my joy. this is the 30 tomorrow. so let's go seductive, split up emotional knowledge and that's the way for. if i see my slip, i was in my dream. you see of it as we might do now. we up. oh, these people must on august the israel ty, buddies, i don't judge you. i think so before we, before we move on to far, how exactly does government use tribalism to manipulate? let's, let's start with how let's such a call. i don't think the government plays a role in this. i think it is us. mix up the government, individuals who mix up the system, we're complaining about individuals. so this people you owe me you for one or for the city, takes one person to change the situation. you get your boss come in by boosting

this, you're not, you're not the most efficient. you might as the nation. well, but united. if i don't see they've got your but i don't think we've got people. i don't see how we will. oh, do you mind what? because we're expecting government is the government. i think we should just stop saying it's annoying we. i failed to mention 2 other very big institutions that play parts into our bodies, and that's our family and religion. and the ink ran some values and goods on principles into, you know, you go and then from your family, you move into school. and then from school while you're in school, you'll also pop over religion like, you know, and i don't want to go to what we agree on. we know that until this all, the institutions sick, the issue of tribalism, seriously, on the press around find a way to make sure that you just caught tailed. even the government will try and it's look i for what time to investigate. now let me tell you one thing i traveled on dental. if someone was telling me, oh, are you from as it? well, i'm not, you're in always states. i said probably about, oh, if i able i said i'm most people and this month a dude with me that i am able, i have a try. it is just my know what i have i tried is actually the insulting to just got

like he said, because he's from a black to speed. that's like he's how's that it's still on there. so this thing, that's what i wish it was also play a good spot. would you learn? i know that he was even all see about older. yeah, yeah. even some of you, you don't even know the oldest, 593 i bought from you both the most bit nebraska you don't know all the space i think was you all educate ourselves very well so that we know we took it to that we respect all right, let me come to to you. so you see, i just, i said something and we just lay play out right now. now she was offended because she's going across the bus. the dentist said she was able to tell me crazy that people pass is actually there's no cry, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on to that. i'm going to be hold on. i'm going somewhere with them. i believe i, i know i'm going somewhere you, you do you, you good. you'd be upset because you're trying to make them understand that, you know, other times outside to meet your tribes. right? no, that's is the to what i don't see. the reason why you should be upset because you're going to hold on. let me see the glass. i want to say your name is i done?

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. you kinda like like that. no. okay, okay. okay. okay. hold on. before we start throwing hubs, let's, let's, let's take a deep breath. make your point. okay? so the thing is, you're supposed to be upset. that's what needs to be. they can do identity, right? i do educate them. okay, i get you cool. let me, let me, let, let me, let me through the question back up to you because it's, it's similarly to when you travel outside of the continent. and you say you're not julian, and you're introduced to a canyon and you're told, well, you all africans, there's something about erasing your identity. and i think that's the point that you was trying to me. let's hear from you. victor is, i just want to tell you that i was, or what is it? it's empty. just said it's, it's not about being offended is about you, i didn't, i didn't see that. why you were you. uh like, my, like my, this is been stripped. you, i don't like, i want to be called in the month of what you know, because i love because just because you know, for me, for the place, so you go to in our lives it's, she'll be able to let me give drill

a chance. please let me take was bucks with the jump issue? like my boat up pointed out, that's um some duct us up looked at the sidelines. some people from some ethnic groups in a try ballistic way. if you look on the whole thing, because that is not true. yeah. changes as throughout the data to make sure that you have the presence of so so, so thrive and so, so please, because the federal commission has an ok, that's a shows that everyone is weird. represented in every government agency and thought i thought so. so yes, that, that's what appears to be what, that's not what it is. because then deluca, i would say something that i'm going to be to i applied for a scholarship and i got a phone call. they asked me, what are you from your name, is this that you apply for them? like yes, yes, but where are you from? and i said by also states and it was like ok, thank you. i'm like, is that it's and i did not get that scholarship. i looked, i heard that did want to, you know, more people is more of your back to where trying to like really badly. and that was

why most, it's so much fun if it's not because they want to use it and mix it bottle and see if it costs they want to take you. okay. okay, so while i really i'm seriously enjoying b, as soon as he hasn't moved this debate, we really need to come to a wrap up and talk about some solutions. we'll see how type of thing is affecting us in different ways. how do we stuff it? how do we so i think just like everything with the same individually thing, let's all see ourselves as individuals. let's all see ourselves as people. let's see. i feel a few months before we start looking at dr. i'm from here. i'm from day that is the 1st place to start from. and i believe that's spirits of emotional knowledge and should be highly offer out governments. how's the pots to please really just meet us. i'll be possible to play as well as the additional lead us does it we for okay, in addition to being human and kind, which is very, very important. we all, i, i will still keep hammering on education because if you are well educated, i need to know, like if you have certain information,

you will not misconstrue things that are not supposed to be misconstrued. i think we have a lot of work to do in iraq communities, the collections we happen in the right area. so the message needs to be driven down to those levels. okay. if i yeah. so i think it's 2 boys down to the government. the government is up to really be presenting. what does those 3 present people respect on and follow the stand you did do our present very well. everybody does the same. ok. wherever they talk about, try bodies. him on the negative side. he's actually you come from sophie's interest . let me tell you what tribe is all about. and i do recall there is this particular lot. no, it's not. it's actually, um, there is actually one in the west, but it's in the north. i celebrate that in the east, so this is what's right. these are major. oh, i love go. okay. so on that notes, i've got to ask you all for a small favor, because i know you're drawn from different tribes. i want you guys to show us a little bit to share with our global audience,

something unique about your cultural background. what i don't know, everyone knows that or before line is regarding that milk and also the ingredients that used to be paid. it is loved all over the world. what yahoo? uh the delta and the depth of the body that you would tell people know this, the tire that's called up, which up is it a beautiful? that's how i and his wife. so he to picks it up to a piece and you need to. yeah, let me hear about you and it's home to the bread. this is in the country. i mean, if you can't do it goes up. all right, so what i'm so god bless the vision, dental. we have very diverse beautiful cultures and they have the best where they're names. yeah. all right, so i'll come in here and go to a mutual. nadia is a very beautiful place. so do not take what you see on social media, please visit nigeria and angela. it's a very beautiful place. so at the beginning of this debate, i ask a simple question. is it possible for the young generation to teach the older generation how to overcome? try but it's in i think all of you here have shown resoundingly that the answer is

a definite. yes. i have never felt so good after discussing something so tenuous. thank you all for watching the the

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