the, the, this is dw news live from berlin. 3 us troops killed in a drone attack in the middle east. president joe biden blames military backed by a ron for the strike on a military base near the border between jordan and syria. he's failing retaliation . also coming up more countries, suspense, funding to the u. n. agency for palestinian refugees as israel alleges several staff members took part in the mos october 7th attack the

sarah kelly. welcome to the program. the united states says that there will be a quote, very consequential response to a drone attack, which kills a 3 of its troops in jordan dozens more of a wounded us. officials say that the air strikes hit a military outpost near the border with syria. it is the 1st time that a strike has killed american soldiers in the region since the start of the israel, him off for president joe biden has blamed militants backed by a ron, for the attack. run denies being involved a good while. i'm all of my government, the resistance groups in the region do not take orders from these. lemme and republic of the wrong with regard to their decision making all actions walter rollin does not welcome the development of conflict in the region. most of it does not interest c, a with the resistance groups, decisions on how to support the power of city a nation or defend themselves,

and that people against any aggression occupation the whole lot seen that daughter and that was short while ago i spoke with middle east analysts daniel gala editor in chief of the magazine. dennis, which focuses on the arab and islamic world, we discussed the strikes potential for further escalation. and whether or ron was strategically involved in strikes on iranian linked groups have a lesson as well. i think uh iran is involved in structuring and motivating this uh, a lions this plus the rough militias, mostly she, uh, oriented militias in the region 5, i think, uh, these groups also work at their own behest and have their own time table. and i think that is also the plausible deniability for the radians is also essential here . so this is more, it's a financial, it isn't logistic, it's an ideological support. but as we have seen in the past, i don't not think that iran is coordinating every individual strikes. just not in

the strategic just to teach an interest of the rain is to do that. and they see how that these groups. and these militias also operates independently, but it's actually contribute to the overall deterrents of the monitor the region. however, what happened now is a little deterrence of the amount in the region. however, what happened now is the beginning of 3, the us service members, which probably did not go according to plan because before these munitions made actually sure that they would inflict harm and that they would provoke the americans. but make sure that they wouldn't cross a certain red line. and the killing of us servicemen is certainly a red line that the americans need to respond. and that's uh, that puts also the wrong spot. and now there are reports that are run back to fighters in east syria, have started evacuating their posts, in anticipation of a us counter strike. do you expect washington to launch air strikes there?

what sort of us response could be a dissipated as well? you know, the, the, the, the, the fighting the shuttle that is going on between the united states and its outlaw eyes and the, so they run back. but it shows in the region is very complex and it's happening on may on, on various problems that happens in syria and the syrian jordanian border. of specifically the triangle for the bond between the rock, syria and jordan happens in iraq and other places i've just returned from baghdad and last week they, well, i wasn't back that there was a us strike on a she, a militia group, southeast of bucked out in a place called joseph sort of which killed several, a ledge administer a man. and i think this attack could be seen as a response to that. you as a tech, which itself was a response to an attack on the, on the as a base in uh, in an iraq. so this conflict escalates on various funds in various countries. and it's very difficult for the respective governments of these congress to stay out of

it. they don't want to be drawn into this, certainly not iraq, certainly not jordan, but we have seen a number of board incidents. and it's, it's so far, it seems like most of the stuff, most of the fighting is happening in syria itself and see you're in territory. but it can happen elsewhere too, as we see. and it's interesting because we've seen since mazda is terror attacks on october 7th, and israel's responsive guards with the vast majority of world leaders and diplomats have stressed the importance of preventing a wider regional escalation. as you've highlighted there, would you say that this has been a failure? are the stakes being made? a lot of mistakes are being made, but um, but the fact that you want to prevent a major regional escalation uh doesn't mean that that you would not act in self defense. so in response to, to some of those, the types of the logic is on the one at all sides. one to prevent a major regional escalation. on the other hand, they do tit for tat whenever they being attacked. they want to strike back and these like retribution strikes the major home can happen and this can lead to

another escalation. so whereas many potters in the region, not all of them, by the way, want to avoid the regional escalation. the regional escalation is happening on business. unfortunately, the logic of deterrence and of retribution, sion that we have been seeing for a long time for america and the wrong this can result in a major problem. because at one point they would either have to engage in really meaningful diplomatic negotiations. how to prevent this from happening, or we would see this being taken to another level. so you mentioned the multiple strikes and responses and i'd like to know how you see the strike now in jordan. does this drone strike mean another front has now opened up in the already volatile miller middle east, or do you expect this could potentially be a one off that can be contained? so the, the, the front already exists and the not with regard to jordan, but mainly with regard to syria until iraq with these militias operate in the case of a rock against the will of the government in the case of syria with a certain consent and support of the government,

but this place where the strike happens is a strategically very important place. it's in the eastern body. i like this, the southern desert of syria, as i mentioned before, triangle basically between the iraq jordan and syria, and the americans had been there initially to fight assigning states militants so called dies from this area. and it's become some sort of a no man's land because the americans are there. and of course nobody should move any closer to the base without taking the risk of being attacked. then you have these groups that are saying the fighting american occupation of syrian territory. and i said it's a no man's land with many refugees. people that are being left alone with little to no unitary and support, but nobody wants to move out of this region either. so i don't think it's a new front. i think it's it, but it's in that it's in strategically important place that one sort of, you know, be careful to contain some really important context there and the least expert daniel got lost. thank you so much for that analysis and sharing your expertise. we appreciate it. thank you. and staying now in the middle east

theory and state media, save it and is really air strike on it. the mask a suburb has killed several people, including iranian advisors, citing a military source. the state news agency says that the assault targeted several areas just south of the capital. it says that a number of civilians were also killed in the strike. israel has not commented on the attack. high ranking members of a ron's revolutionary guard were killed in another alleged is really striking, damascus earlier this month. and it's really negotiator say that talks in paris to secure the release of hostages and return for an extended ceasefire in does a work quote, constructive. but the office of prime minister benjamin netanyahu says significant gaps were made between the 2 sides. protesters and israel have been ramping up pressure on the government to bring home the rest of the hostages. egypt guitar.

and israel are taking part in the us, led tox. now off have been bark. autonomy is a former, could tarry defense, attach shay to the united states, and i asked him how optimistic he is about these latest negotiations and parents what i'm quite optimistic about the any progress towards negotiation would be successful. however, all parties involved have to commit to the process. it's hard process, it's a long process. we're committing to that process is vital for disagree. and we know that the c i a chief william burns met with his is rarely and isn't it you, if you encounter parts as well as guitars, prime minister and they are supposed to meet again this week, tofal a little bit more about the mix of participants and what might be going on behind closed doors as well. obviously, from a consulting perspective, these made it very clear that the,

the player very close to the vest secrecy is important in any negotiation for success. however, if we see pos, negotiations, even in this conflict as a guide, it usually means that it starts off with lean ground rules. understanding of the parameters of negotiation, moving forward to setting reasonable goals and then executing routes and while that is being executed. as in part of last job is negotiations and the control, the foreign ministry had an option to set up to make sure that if there's any snag or issue in implementing negotiated agreements, that it would we be resolved in real time. i think that would usually be the same model software on guard moving forward. now details about the negotiation. obviously isn't clear right now, but hopefully this past results on any proof of future hopes than were very helpful . what do you see as the main hurdles now, especially, you know,

given the role that could tar has played in facilitating the israel gauze or piece talks given it's channel communications with a mouse? well the main hurdle, as i said, is committed. now we've seen some issues internally and israel of the neo conservative government of nothing y'all has been on one side asking for guitar is health and wanting it to me, praising it. i'm on the other side criticizing, and that is not help to moving forward. now, the later statement to i would say about on the part of the boss, by the part of some offices, commitment, well, as well. the, the proof is in the pudding pot has proven that it is able to negotiate the release of hostages. this is not finding the sky or imaginary, or feel like the commission this have c natural results. it's only replicating those successes that we're talking about right now. and i think of everyone's committed. and again,

the problem and stuff is there as office just less than 12 hours ago, said that is, it is quote unquote, constructive assets going forward. i think that makes us hopeful, but steadfastness and commitment by the parties. the negotiators, not only we go cheaters, the policies, whether it's available most have to be steadfast and got commitments. and that's the only will guarantee a successful negotiation. thank you so much for your time. novice of a tiny defense and foreign affairs analyst and former kentoria director of defense intelligence operations. we appreciate that. now japan is suspending funding for the u. an agency for palestinian refugees, enjoying the growing list of donors, including the us, germany and britain that have stopped payments since israel accuse to some staff of being involved and become off october 7th terror attacks. the what is urging governments to keep funding the agency with gaza on the brink of fab, the telephone was a condo, so one of gulls as last lifelines the many here. these blue and white bags of flour,

a role that stand between them and starvation. but with more and more of the agencies don't, is cutting off that funding. people here in the southern city of rafa, the other west. that's what i look with only in this doping, moonrise 8 distribution is a catastrophe. in the gaza strip. of like is it was a handout on main supports and if they still there will be a famine like the one of the know the colors wouldn't be much as the thought of somebody when i can isn't what kind of a ross don't helping us then i'll people will face death a minute, 5 minutes, who was helping on people who are hungry and suffering. if they stop him, we'll have no one on our side. others indulge the details of these really allegations against monroe stuff has been slow to a much according to new york times sledging adult ca provided to the us government

for the as railey secret services. 12 workers were involved. some said to have participated in kidnappings and killings. while others provided a logistical support, the agency has already filed several people and is about to thoroughly investigate the claims for the un says the funding needs to continue while that happens. palestinian officials and occupied westbank have also urge donors to reconsider to the companies that have i know the suspension very paid amounts to 70 percent of the time you went budget of the united nation pretty the fund work agency. this measure is extremely dangerous. i mean, it is our hope that that would be provide us with most calls and snow falls from the homes by the fighting people here. i'm more dependent on the agencies help whenever the head of unreal has wound that if money doesn't start flowing again

soon, it's will, will grind to a hold in a matter of weeks. and i spoke earlier with ken roth, the former executive director of human rights watch. i asked him for his take on the allegations, what they could mean for audra as well as the civilians still trapped inside gaza. the books, literally the allegations against a dozen unreal employees are serious if they actually participated in the october 7th from us attacks, they will have been responsible potentially for murder, for abduction. these are worked on so there's no question that this is serious stuff. but the thing is for verse is that western governments are responding by essentially penalizing 2 points. treating those in those still using cost because they are not responsible for what these does. the employees did, but by suspending funds to entre they,

the western governments are essentially saying, you know, we don't care if you're facing large scale starvation. we are going to cut off the one agency that has been capable of feeding your. okay. i'd like to pick a part on many things that you said there um the humanitarian situation. but, but 1st i'd like to ask you about the investigation. because israel says that the organization has failed or rather has fallen under the influence of her moss and gaza. the you and probe now into these allegation, should it concentrate on the individuals in question or does the organization need to take a broader approach? for example, looking at all of the employees. um, you know, more than 10000 there and, and perhaps the recruitment process as well. unreal. israel is distributing a dossier these days where it's making these broad allegations. but israel has been trying to shut down on rough for decades because it sees on road as the agency the keeps palestinian refugee identity

a lot. it doesn't want people thinking about themselves as refugees. they want them to just kind of go someplace else and never think about returning to the original holdings within israel. so you have to take with a huge, green salt, anything. there's no sense. but if you look at, you know, how did henri, as leadership respond, they immediately started an investigation. they vowed to criminal, we prosecute. anybody who was responsible for i'm also attacked on october 7th. and that's, you know, a whole lot more than israel is. don't. you don't see israel by way to prosecute. it's working to say the people who are, you know, blocking the humanitarian a to the media population, the clear work or the people who are dropping choose 1000 pound bonds in have a lead populated civilian neighborhoods. another work. so, you know, there's something just perverse about western governments. suspending a to entre immediately upon these obligations for doesn't but, but you know that the military 83800000000 in military aid,

the mass of arms scales to google that continues. right? i mean, those are questions that we will ask for a of, of these rallies and their allies. um, but i just want to, you know, drill down and focus on the situation with on, right? in particular right now, in our conversation, you highlighted there that many important donor countries have now suspended new funding to the agency, which is dealing with this grave humanitarian situation and gaza. we heard in the previous program for, for, for example, from our correspondents in germany, giving the german argument that you know now there's a sort of due process that, that will take place. this is just waiting to see what the results of the investigation is and that there are other vessels and means by which to get aid to those who are in gaza and perhaps those are going to be stepped up. so i'd like to ask you through that lens, what do you make of the reaction by donor stairs? because we've seen so many of them now jump on board and temporarily suspend. well,

while the investigation is underway, you mean the donor government seemed to be mainly concerned about the tax from the right by pro is real partisans because otherwise there is no way to explain why they suspend aid and now they've watched an investigation. we can wait to see what the results of that investigation are. but henri has very few reserves. that's because, you know, trump had cut off 8 and so they spend down their reserves and just say, oh, there are other ways to get food and, and madison in the like to the people of, of casa. i mean, that's just not true. you know, i'm, or is the principal agency that is distributing said it has the trucks, the, to some extent, are able to move around the bump argument and why you don't think that the increasing donation. so the red cross or something that that's going to make any sort of dent or impact mean the red cross has no capacity to distribute the quantity of 8. this required to ensure we have 80 percent of the population of guys that haven't been displaced or living in tens like they the distribution has to

take place a midst of war. and while the red cross is a very important agency, it just doesn't begin to have the capacity to service this enormous population in need from a human rights watch executive director kenneth ross. thank you so much for joining us here and dw news to share that perspective. we appreciate it. i, i think it's and here are some other stories making headlines. a danish worship is failing to the red sea to join the us led mission again to see militants . the rebels back by iran has been attacking commercial vessels along the maritime route because of the cause of war. the who these claim to be targeting ships linked to israel, pakistan and iran has agreed to improve cooperation following cross border strikes between the neighbors. less than 2 weeks ago around struck what it's called militant targets in pakistan. is lama by launched an attack and retaliation. the

women in russia are staging protests, demanding the return of their husbands and sons from ukraine. some claim to support the war, while others are more skeptical, but all are united saying that their loved ones have fought for long enough and should be allowed home. determined to give to the man back marie andre event investment as that russians whose husbands were mobilized. wanted to lay flawless as the 2 of the unknown soldier. this isn't every too old but a protest is important as a husband. so i have been fighting in ukraine for more than a year to finally come home and do it. why not? there's a war going on, people are dying, they're just the average people. men who were called up doing the partial mobilization. we can pretend that they're not dying there. he's throwing you some new and you're right. she calls a women's initiative the way home, maria, and very,

very simply even took it to the campaign office of president of louden. it proved to me as a kremlin in motion. surround hi there. should my husband come back for both? your husband is defending our homeland and what will i get back in man without legs and arms using agency. good man. how are you talking about your husband? you don't even know what's going on because the women want to get through to pool with the i protest the president when the outage annual re celebrate it also looks christmas with a select group of completely different women. everything is there was harmonious night to you, as you know, and seen our brave, who really commends this to our boys to ski and the warriors of russia are fighting for the interest of our country. even now that it was during the holidays,

it is not listed on the initiative, has been around for months adopting the recent dease as the women have sharpened because they are tune at 1st, they will not explicitly against the civil only in favor of their husbands coming back now, is there a demanding an end to available? give me the seems to me, but i'm a few minutes or so it's symptomatic. we see similar ongoing, but the areas of society, of young people are becoming increasingly dissatisfied. pension is, are increasingly worried about rising food prices. the walrus causing more amal consternation intentions of the show. and yet, uh, but that doesn't mean that people are ready to take to the street from us suite to know what it means, you know, facing the situation that russia is currently in a different place to. so thoughts, if that's what i'm suggesting, cause some stuff wouldn't this turn into a big movement? of most of the problem is, is that russia is a very large country. those to,

to organize an old russian movement. you need profit infrastructure process. these women have many the infrastructure nor lead them. you need to, as they refuse to give up the women. now it takes to the streets every such a day. not only he and moscow, but also in saint petersburg limits. we have to come back again and write lots of protest letters to exert massive pressure now is exactly the right moment to at is the so it's that moment is the presidential election in less than 2 months time. the transient hasn't yet intervened in the protests, but the vent quick change could be queen. a hong kong court has ordered one of china's largest real estate developers to liquidate its assets. china ever grand a has been in trouble with creditors for 2 years and has failed to come up with

a plan to restructure its debt. the ruling is likely to send ripples through china's crumbling financial markets. as policy makers scramble to contain a deepening crisis. i will grant no more the world's most troubles proper to develop a symbol of china's rapid growth is finally on to bring comfortably to rent. at home. com court has ordered the liquidation of china, edward grant, or at least its overseas assets for a company that was once the pride of the chinese real estate sector. it has been a dramatic downfall. but what happens now? it's probably likely that the company will be forced to sell a lot of this ready report assets, for example, or the property management part which is relatively received in different the like the ongoing, the money and the properties that already exist, that people need to surfaces. so, um this quite likely to uh, everything will be broken down into a smaller companies, you know,

being shared or pressure just by other um, like investors. but for advert gordon itself is basically at the mice of its, you know, on uh, age business more. so let's just remind ourselves of how bad things god for ever grant. it became the world's most heavily indebted property developer. its ultimate direct liabilities of over $300000000.00. to put that into perspective, that's more than rochester, entire national debt or equal to 2 percent of china, st. jude edward grants collapse, could cause chuck waves across china. and ripple effects would probably be spent globally. i suspect that the chinese government will manage this liquidation process very carefully and why that does that cause major problems for the chinese economy. in other words, it's not. i a layman mine, it's like we saw a back in 2009. that said, it does tell us that the property processing chandra, is far from out of the how about and it will be an ongoing drag on chinese economic

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