the show in the clouds it, it's time to us and then when generations class this week on dw the, the israel, how about us was moved briefly to an open culture with the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations of israel had committed genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guess was stuff about booty, the westbank, who heads the policy, the national initiative. what do we want from the court immediately to allow me is to say that there isn't a mission of genocide and to give it as an add on or the stop no property, the pro is violent and so it gets all civilians. but he was a special combinations of israel. so how will the war and how will the hatreds of good faith, con garza ever be rebuilt?

the better future be salvage, the little, the suffering of destruction? the complex. thank you, but to be with you, you've said that as well is failing. it's declared items in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how much will be liquidated, and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously doubt? israel is ability to achieve that fe. absolutely. i'm not the only me. i think media isn't really that is like, i think got was a number of the what had been a thought of saying the same. isn't that nothing you know, is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to just to, by how much, how much is not just admitted that it's structured? it's much this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is a good that should be pursuant. i think that i've, i've, which is to ask,

what can be done to in this for the situation. yes, but let's put in a come by. how about a minute to find a city a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy, the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it is all right, and we'll have to make these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way at maintaining book. your patient is not the solution thinking goals, ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so there is only one way in and the domain knowledge how most wouldn't be able to do to accept the listing. and steve, within that acts of that expected 2 steps, you shouldn't have to design austin. but to continue with this occupation will not be plunder solution or to piece i want to get into just what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians a bit later. but there's been

a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happens on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, in a single day, how boss must have good hundreds of his relatives in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it time that how was there as well supposed to react to that press the next. i agree that i do not accept that. can you go to the engineering, go to the human mediating guy, mississippi and all that kind of thing on, on as of right. but i don't think that the fact that csr isn't any the children would come, that they just don't accept the justification for couldn't 10001st thing in children. that is unacceptable, but you have the um, the history,

it does not start on the 7th of october. the big question here is, how many pundits do you guys have been since 1948 and what happened before the 7th of october. and so we have time, i can describe that, but i think the message, the other thing is we have receiving that isn't as does not belong to. these does not belong to allow of other students, students and documentation and nothing else. but in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of smoke on the west bank. also guys are the cdn to buy the heights. nothing you know is declaring company do not use the best prime minister to prevent a policy against states. so what the solution plans on violence is it to continue the environmental garza, which has already taken the lives of $29000.00 people. if we include the people on

the table or to find a different monthly winter, you'll have an ard. so my question, which was, how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october the 7th, we could get it to the history we will get into the history. but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't how much expected it would be exactly what happened exactly what happened? look at how much it, how is it? as responded with boom, bottom into guts, continuously for see leaks using on types of s. dikes on this line. 70 percent of all the houses income, you know, according to the most recent because of the points during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of the homes and does that and government, it's like unit on 2nd. what is it, i'm not, does not do anything,

the proportion of the different thoughts out of this, the button that says what, what would have been proportion. but what would it be that point of, you know, what would be proportional just to say to the world enough is enough with this setup of violence. we don't want this to continue. and there's the end of the patient to, i'm going to conduct the thought and i know that you can kind of the patient if you concentrate on the symptom of that event, the causal disease. do you think you're not seeing that? how boss is a was, as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did prevent massive military retaliation. i've been to them as well for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of an edge. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm not in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 for use of oppression of the displacement of ethnic cleansing,

which effect of 70 percent of the palestinian people. i know about 70 percent of the population of guys that have builds if you use this list by is that in the 1948, i'm the one that goes it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, no running water no, no, no economy, 80 percent of the people. why do kid live unemployed and 70 percent were on the positive. and what, what did that lead to? i know that's kind of sticking on, signed an agreement. i piece, i agree mental it is or what they accept it, a very painful compromise. a state of 22 percent of the, of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent . i'm still isn't and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this one. man. is that right mission? wait, wait, wait a minute. in december 2000 president clinton, who at excuse me, israel, who would back overdue. a state on 95 percent of the west bank,

a 100 percent of the gaza strip with land swaps to compensate for the sacraments control of arrow barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides . provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company the day. just the best deal that you what ever offered of yasser arafat turns it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the short, which you haven't got this good. i know it's a global narrative. actually. i know it's not because what demands that the negotiations send them is that it was not accept listing and stuff that i need to over is to have some that was the main close. why that these negotiations fence and

visit my accept by this to me. i'm going to don't over the years and the jobs on friday. and they did not accept exactly that. they would withdraw this happened months from 0 to $500.00 times. so it was the one find the not there is another side of that. the deal certain said have you had a better off? no, no, no. what happened is my, my question is, why is it an up to now is not saying to the world until you have the money. i have to buy the studios. what are they about? this is the only company in the world which refuses to identify. it's bought this. nothing now is say, i mean we find most likely him until destroyed, so slugged him. nathaniel, the man may have the dimension of his life to can also until the potential for the 2 state solution. okay, well the, that, that, that is, that is your narrative. that is the public speaking the barrier to if you just because you accuse me of pushing israel's narrative. but that's yours. i want to

ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely, and i do think that south africa is quite a about getting this piece and it does not go incident that south africa then that we have to hold off and to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusations of genocide. will you accept that or accused the cause of bias? we will not have to sign it by bill by us. you will continue to that are going to make the world understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when 29000 people buy this thing as i can, most of the civilians win 10000 until that an outcome in less than 3 months. i'm doing 75 percent of the of the horses are destroyed and all you move us citizen are destroyed and most trusted because i've destroyed and the of my music stopped us

now since i'm having a fishing us out of them by just by is that i have a good many of them and 104, i'm dealing with this like this is general side. and when, when i send you out and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not on the conductive nick lindsey, but to conduct general side bible involved in the civilian population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait that several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's announces, but it could take a long time will go to the court. then what do you want from the court immediately if you allow me is to saying that, then it is the mission of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or the stop door,

or do you will slow resent the quotes if it doesn't do that? no, no, no. we just step the we, we have been appealing to the international criminal court for us now. just about duty, what kind of society you talked about all the horrors that have been going on and gaza, the destruction, the death, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society can emerge from this war after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children, as i said, what do we have such the amount of damage and destruction we have to is one is to make it isn't for revenge or another way is to make it an option i believe and making it, i know what's on it yet. and money was just an idea to invest a comfortable lot,

but deepens the bill to us. and we kindly built our country, but we cannot to be built over the country when we are okay by advisor. and in my opinion, the hardwood must see us as equal human beings with as it is when the when the boy that enjoys, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see how the city of elections. you set the current crisis. you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of power standing forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke a how many publishers about palestinian you the 2 decade after decade idea of the never happened? was it going to happen now? because we've never been in such

a difficult situation as we are to the i'm any responsible, but a student on addition must accept the unity is the only way out of this mess. you know me, i've been an advocate. i'll tell you conciliation between side by side even with the them between them and i was the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007 if that government stayed on, if the board cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed them that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006, unfortunately is the obstacle to prevent the elections. they did not allow elections, enjoy those in the city, and also to use that as an excuse to cancel the elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021? not think about the impact of started would have gotten an absolute majority. we

would have had to have a democratic coalition. and then a government control in both west bank and gaza and the continue to have independence identical commission. you say this without going to but the you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the club down of free speech. the interruption was that whole israel's fault? yes, it was the wrong. they made them to not, not, it's not isn't as full alone. but it does lot of really isn't and it falls because because it i in want to understand or somebody to be on the security card on them. this is what i, as in the united states font, in particular, that if used to allow us to have democratic city elections. okay. let's talk about

the united states for a moment. because the view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to insist on that? again, it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time. has it? unfortunately, the states of america has lost them an opportunity to be a total mediator, and that's going to be the kind of between us on design. and that's why i don't think they can flip out on why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why the out of pocket to see people in the themselves by sending americans on got it to participate in it and the american advisors and, and planes it's, it's not, it's not too late. i don't know if i mean, do you have time? you have to be in boshamp, in this case the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support. federal is a, it's an edition, i guess the student, people just about 13 by you don't have

a choice here. you don't have a choice, whatever you would think of the bite, the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wasn't exactly the hans, the palestinian position wouldn't. so you're going to need to work with by now whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop that we've never used to work with by didn't it's mr. advising who upstairs from doing excellent friend his duty during the 3 years before the war started when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and wednesday night, the states of america did nothing to for us, is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex, it's the main office to can pull it up with ability to state solution. so it's not our problem. it's that a problem, but let me tell you what happened with that and guess a union these days is very dangerous for the whole one. why? because the team isn't on the united states,

out of 10 in the world that we don't have international law anymore. and that's what is done by those of younger, you know, what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have a problem, you can do it if you want. well, at the very end, okay. can you just look at that closer, closer to hope with you. if you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the engine um, but i'm not who i've been advocating environments all my life. i understand. but opinion polls are the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's cool down resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of public opinion set that back. a violent struggle up 10 percent from before. the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting really want more. i assume you have supported the resistance. it's through

and then you've documented that existence of this time is a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because it's an outcome the other way, which is the sony go see issues then what is missed that i best and his government, but i didn't go through yet, but is there any sort of head to use signing that also i agreement making us compromises and then get the nothing but human emotion. and as it is violation even of the stigma and also to has depriving good from any also to, to whatsoever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the well you, we've talking about the about guys about also about the west bank, you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and set the packing gusts on said lot about receiving work on sundays and

rarely government. so that's what i'm, how much does the government be? yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did, her mouse was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 1998 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the posted in question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time practice from us. never wanted to tool. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes, little with such statements before, but i know exactly how from asked states because i met with them and all that mushy issues we had. i even managed to convince them was non violence. existence for more than 5 youths. i didn't which time on that it was peaceful demonstrations. i'm doing that back just to be by there. is there any side? yes, i do you what they can accept? what was included in the national unity program of our national unity government

and 2007. and it was clear, i found a studio state on 1967, but that's including these drawers and then i ended up location of that. do you want? i'm just not nation of, of that i took to the dental by the student, obviously, which is a very just don't bother this if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister in these through a new concept. he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota and the government. he said he called him says he wasn't shy. lambert, i'm calling from central refreshes on the floor. and he said that we, he said the business was from the west bank with several months on this. so that kind of deals with lose any of the staples that on and then they wouldn't have one else. any options either to leave, which is that from the glazing auto accept

a life of subjugation to is. that is, which is all part died or died, which is, which is genocide. this is the minute the all fine the i'm, what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i, i'm, you could sit down and look for any new position that was expressed as it's hopeless. i look in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who could die together to find a way out of the situation. but to accept, i may have a principle which has application of international which says, occupation must end as an entity point to piece between both people. how like somebody is not, how likely is any of that. it's very like you're a low voice and the very big will that this onto the bug ot. well i, i, i was asked this question many times, but i respond to that by asking the question,

who, who have never thought the gentleman is unfinished, even with confidence in such a way and they will be in union after having so many words. i think we have the promise, daniels lives, jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together together and then continue to fight each other. and each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you go to started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to do all the lines of historic by this time we have about 7000000

jewish people, about 7000000 people living on the same land. one site is powerful. the other side, these weak one side, these i know to buy or the other side, this will to fight what the solution. one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution, which is the problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic states literally kind of live together equally and or exist peacefully. the only option is ethnic cleansing, 1st thing, that's exactly what time. yeah. once more, but it's out of things to do. and that's what, that's what i have to do in god. but that's what i love to work. that's why we have one or 2 options. i said one of the book about 60, why not? and as one of my best friends, daniel button boom, the user should talk to me once. sometimes then bust him is easy of the difficult. and that's why i will never stop believing that one democratic states could be both

of them. i know it looks now impossible with all these feelings of revenge of vengeance, et cetera. but my view with you as a leader is somebody home to people. and i then be picking up the best very briefly cuz we're running out of time just literally what, what if you can't 5, the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october the 7th, it's going to happen again. and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't of the people on smart have to be, but look, always look for the dispatch and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor. so that's, i would have people eventually we'd be free, a lot of people would be accepted as because human beings and we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in faculty. thanks very much for being a complex. so, thank you. thank you. the

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