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as what menu vetoes didn't want to fix that. but just a glimpse behind the facade of this energy time tell us, gosh, from russia's political weapon starts february, 3rd, on dw, the israel. how about us was moved briefly to an open culture with the hague, as the international court of justice hud accusations that, as well had committed genocide, gaza product city as welcome to move, including my guess was stuff about booty and the west bank who heads the policy the national initiative, what do we want from the court immediately to allow me is to say that there is the mission of genocide and we'll give it an or the stop the popular to close violence against all civilians. but he was a special combinations of israel. so how will the war and how will the hatreds of
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good faith can guys ever be rebuilt and the better future be salvage the little, the suffering of destruction? let's talk about the welcome to complex of thank you, but to be with you. you've said that israel is failing, it's declared items in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how boss will be liquidated, and the fighting will go on until that happens. do you seriously doubt israel's ability to achieve as a absolutely, i'm not on the me. i think the media isn't really that is like as in god was a number of the and what had been a thought saying the same as in the nothing you know is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to display how much, how much is not just a minute that is structured, it's much, this is much bigger than that. and the,
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i don't think the, this, this is a goes up the should be pursuant. i think that i have which is to ask, what can be done to and just for the situation. yes. but let's go ahead and or come by my boss is a minute to find a city. a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy, the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it is what i had with the have to make these was all the listing is including time us. there is no other way eh, montana and book your patient is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so there is only one way in and that to my knowledge, how much would it be to do to accept the listing. and steve, within that acts of that expected to step solution after design launched. but to continue with this occupation would not be plenty solution onto piece. i want to
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get into just what kind of future you envisage for the palestinians a bit later. but there's been a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happened on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, if a single day, how must must have good hundreds of his race in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it time that how was there as well supposed to react to that? that's the one this i agree that i do not accept that. can you go to the engineering or human? do you think i'm assuming you know, that kind of thing on, on as of right. but i don't think that the fact that csr isn't, or the children would come, that the just unacceptable is,
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are drops execution functioning, 10000 posting in children. that is an acceptable, but you're not the, i'm the, i'm the has to do. you did not started from this, isn't supposed to, but the big question here is how many pundits doing ends up being killed since 1948 . and what happened before the 7th of october. and so we have time, i can describe that, but i think the message, the other thing is we have receiving that isn't as does not belong to, these does not belong to allow of other students, students and intuition. and nothing else felt in the united nations and kind of the model is and showing the annexation of smoke on the west bank. also, guys are the cdn. okay. by the heights. nothing, you know is declaring company do not use the best prime minister to prevent a listing in states. so what is the best solution blamed on violence? is it to continue the environmental garza which has already taken the lives of
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$29000.00 people? if we include the people on the federal or to find a different monthly winter, you'll have about my question, which was how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october? the 7th, we can get into the history, we will get into the history. but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't. how much expected it would be exactly what happened exactly. what happened was how much is it? as responded with boom, bottom into gust. continuously for the see leaks using on types of s dikes, the dentist line, 70 percent of all the houses income. you know, according to the most recent events during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of all the homes and does that and get unlimited
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storage unit of the check on what is it? i'm not does not do anything. the proportion of the different thoughts out of this, the button that says what, what would have been proportion, but what would it be that point of, you know, what would be proportional just to see it to the was enough, is enough with this step and violence. we don't want this to continue and the end of the patient to i am not going to conduct the thought and i know that you can kind of the patient if you concentrate on the, on the symptom of them the cause of the disease. you're saying, you're not saying that's how boss is a was as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did, provoked massive military retaliation. i've been to them as well for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of for the edge. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm not in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 for you as
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a function of the displacement of ethnic cleansing, which effect of 70 percent of the cdn people. i know about 70 percent of the population of guys that have be able to if you use this list by is that are in the 1948 and i don't know what that does. it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, no running water. no, no, no economy, 80 percent of the people. what i do kid live unemployed and 70 percent of the public. and what, what did that lead to? i know that spanish speaking and signed an agreement, i piece, i agree, mental is or what they accept it. a very painful compromise. i stayed on 22 percent on the of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent. i'm still isn't it, and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this 1 may have that right. mission. wait, wait, wait. tell me that in december 2000 president clinton,
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guy who at excuse me, israel at who would back overdue estate. on 95 percent of the west bank, a 100 percent of the gaza strip with land swaps to compensate for the sacraments control of our barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the holy sides. provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company, the data is the best deal that you, what ever offered of yasser arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the short what you haven't got this could i know it's a global narrative actually. i know it's not because what demands that the negotiations sent them is that is that it was not accepted by the student himself,
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but i need to over is to have some that was the main close. why that these negotiations fence and did my accept by this to me, i'm going to going over the waters and the joint done friday. and they did not accept exactly that they would would 0. that's how much time though to bite the sign. we spoke about the one side, the there is another side of that the deal services have you had a better off? no, no, that's good for now because my, my question is, why is it an up to now is not saying to the world until you have the money. i have to buy the studios. what are they about? this is the only company in the world which refuses to identify it's bought this. nothing now is say, i mean we find the most likely him until destroyed so slugged in. nothing. yeah. the man may have the mission of his life to can also until the potential for the state solution. okay, well the that, that, that is,
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that is your narrative. that is the public speaking the barrier to if you just because you accuse me of pushing israel's narrative. but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely, and i do think that south africa is clinic about getting the skis and it does not go incident that south africa that i'd have to call out to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusation of genocide. will you accept that or accused the cause of bias? we will not that username of deals by us. you will continue to that are going to make those understand what's happening. but if you're not only within $29000.00 people, but as the nose article mostly civilians, and when $10000.00 children outcome in less than 3 months, i'm doing 75 percent of the of the horses are destroyed and all you move us, it is,
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are destroyed, and most of us, because i've destroyed and the of my music stopped us. nest has, i'm having a fishing us out of them. but despite isn't it, i'm a good many of them. and 104, i'm dealing with this like this is general side when, when i send you out and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that on this thing as must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not only post to conduct if mckenzie, but to conduct general side bible by being the city and population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait about several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's a balances. but it could take a long time. we've got the car then what do you want from the court immediately if
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you allow me is to saying that there is a mission of genocide and to give it as an add on or the stop door or do you will slow resent the quotes if it doesn't do that. no, no, no, we the step the we, we haven't been appealing to that. so i'm not in the criminal court for the mount. vista about duty, what kind of society you talked about all the horrors that have been going on and gaza, the destruction, the death, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society can emerge from this war. after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children, i do literally have such a 100 even amount of damage and destruction we have to is the one is to make it the reason for the events or another way is to make a tunnel percent. i believe in making it don't know what's on it yet. it might be,
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it was just an idea. the seconds would would, but the point is the bill to us and we can rebuild our country. but we cannot city built our country when we are okay by advisor. and in my opinion, the hardwood must see us as equal human beings. that is, it is when the, when the boy was, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see how the city of elections, you set the current crisis you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of power standing forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. how many publishers about published in unity decade after decade idea of the never happened?
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was it going to happen now? because we've never been in such a difficult situation as we are to the i'm any responsible 1st duty and politician must accept the unity is the only out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at, i'll say the constitution between fire and how much i even redid them between them . and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the board cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately is the obstacle to prevent the elections. they did not allow elections enjoy those of the city and also to use that as an excuse to cancel elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021,
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not think about the impact of started without got an absolute majority. we would have had to have a democratic coalition and then a government that control invoice with the bank and goes out of the continue to struggle have independence, identical commission. you say this without going to but the you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the club down of free speech. the interruption was that whole israel fault. yes, it was not part of you know, the corruption, they made them to not, not, it's not isn't as full alone. but it does. lot of really isn't and it falls because it is that i in one step on this thing. and also i need to be on the security card on them that it's, it's in the united states font in particular that, that,
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if used to allow us to have democratic 3 elections. okay. let's talk about the united states for a moment. because that view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians, and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to in the system that are done? it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time. has it unfortunately, the states of america has lost them in or what you need to to be a total me do you understand them? it did kind of between us on business, and that's why i don't think they can play about why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why did the participate in the work themselves by sending americans longer to participate and it's on the american advisors and, and planes it's, it's best to plan. i don't know if i'm indeed do you have to be in boshamp? in this case, the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support. federal is a, it's an edition. i just,
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a bunch of student people, just about 13 by, you don't have a choice here. you don't have a choice here, whatever you would think of the by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wouldn't exactly it, hans, the palestinian position would. so you're going to need to work with by now, whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the stop that we've never used to work with by didn't. it's listed by then who upstairs from doing and fulfilled his duty during the 3 years before the war started, when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and wednesday night, the states of america did nothing to for us, is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex, it's the main office to come pulled up with ability to state solution. so it's not our problem. it's that a problem then, but let me tell you what, what, what happens in the list that invests a unit into these days. it's very dangerous for the whole one. why?
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because the t is the united states out of 10 in the world, that we don't have international law anymore. and that's what is done by those of younger, you know, what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have a problem, you can do it if you want. well that's a better. okay. can you just look at that closer, closer to hope with you. if you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the engine and by him, i'm not loving advocating, non violence, all my life, i understand. but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's cool down resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of public opinion set that back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before. the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting really want more
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a city of support at the resistance. it's through and then be documented that existence of this fund a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because it's an outcome the other way which is the so when you go to the issues, then what is missed that i best this government, but i didn't go through yet. what is there any sort of have to use signing that agreement, making us compromises and get the nothing but human emotion. and as it is violation even of the stigma and also to has depriving get from i mean, also to, to whatsoever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the we've talking about the guys, but also about the bank, you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and set the packing gusts on said lot about receiving work on sundays and
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rarely government. so that's what, i'm, how much does the government be? yes, but the from the other side, whatever israel did from us was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 1988 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time. factors from us never wanted to tool, it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes, there live such statements before, but i know exactly how for my students because i met with them and all the seasons we had, i even managed to convince them was non violence resistance for more than 5 youths during which time was that it was peaceful demonstrations and they were not back. they're supposed to be by there. is there any side? yes, i do you what they can accept?
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what was included in the national unity program of our national unity government in 2007. and it was clear, i found a simian state on 90 a $67.00, but it does including these drawers and then i add up the location of that. do you want hundreds on each end of, of that item for the dental by the student, obviously, which is done by the 5th a. got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the thought lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister in these through a new concept. he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota and the government. he said he called him says he wasn't shy lambert, i'm calling from central refreshes on the floor. and he said that we, he said that is what else from the, from the bank would settlements on this. so that kind of deals with lose any of the
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staples that on and then they would have one of the options either to leave which is that from the cleansing auto accept a life of subjugation to is that is which is our prototype or die, which is which is genocide, this is the minister of finance and the i'm what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i on, you could sit down and look for any new position that was expressed as it's hopeless. i hope in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who could try to get that to find a way or out of the situation. but to accept, i may have a principle which has application of international which say is, occupation must end as an entity point. so piece between both people. how like, how long is that? how likely is a day of that? it's very like you're a low voice and the very big will do this on to step by godaddy. when i, i,
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that's funny. i, you know, i've had this question many times, but i just spoke to them by asking the question, who, who have never thought the gentleman's unfinished people with confidence in such a way and they will be in union after having so many words. i think we left miss daniels lives. jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together to gather the van to continue to fight each other. and each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you quoted started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think of something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to them on the land of historic,
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by this time we have about 7000000 jewish people, about 7000000 other students who people are living on the same land. one site is powerful. the other site, these we, why don't side these, i know to buy or the other side, this will to bite? what is the solution? one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution, which is the problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic states literally kind of live together equally and, or exist peacefully. the only option is ethnic lindsay go 1st thing that's exactly what nothing. you know, i'm smart, but it's out of time to do. and that's what, that's what i have to do in god. but that's what i love to work. that's why we have one or 2 options. i said one of the book that i could speak, why not? and as one of my best friends, daniel, but even the musician taught me once, sometimes then bust him is easy of the difficult. and that's why i will never stop
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believing that one democratic states couldn't be both of them. i know it looks now impossible with all these feelings over the advantage of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody home to people. and i go to then be picking them depressed very briefly, cuz we're running out of time just literally what, what if you comp 5 the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october. the 7th is going to happen again to i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think the national as it isn't of the people on smart to be, but look, always look for another type of dispatch. and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor so that i would have people eventually be free. a lot of people would be accepted as equally human beings, as we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff. if i go to you, thanks very much for being
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