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or emphasizing the award winning offer is available worldwide. every language level. reading gentleman has told me to go the israel, how boss was moved briefly to an open culture with the hague. as the international court of justice hud accusations of israel had committed genocide, gaza palestinians, welcome to move, including my guest, who stuff about booty and the westbank who heads the policy. the national initiative was the one from the court immediately to allow me is to say that it is the mission of genocide and to give it as an add on or the stop no priority. the flow is violent and forgets all civilians, but he was a special combinations of israel. so how will the war and how will the hatred of
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i'm just afraid, garza ever be rebuilt, of the better future. be salvage the little, the suffering of destruction. let's talk about the welcome to complex of thank you, but to be with you, you've said that as well is failing. it's declared items in the cause of war, but jerusalem exists it. how boss will be liquidated, and the fighting will go up until that happens. do you seriously doubt israel is ability to achieve as a the absolutely. yeah. not on the mean. i think the media isn't really that is like, i think got was a number of that. and what had been a thought of saying the same. isn't that nothing you know, is trying to create an impossible mission by trying to just to, by how much, how much does not just admitted that it's structured. it's much, this is much bigger than that. and the, i don't think the, this, this is
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a good that should be pursuant. i think that i've, i've, which is to ask, what can be done in the support situation. yes, but let's put in a come on how about a minute to find a city a group is classified as a terrorist organization. jeopardy, the you, us, do you really think at some point as well, we'll just give up the fight against it is all right, and we'll have to make peace with all the other studios, including time us. there is no other way and maintaining population is not the solution. thinking of ethnic cleansing as a solution is also impossible. so that as long as the one way in and the domain knowledge, how much would it be to do to accept the listing? and steve, within that acts of that expected 2 steps, you shouldn't have to design austin. but to continue with this occupation will not lead to either solution onto piece i want to get into just what kind of future
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you envisage for the palestinians a bit later. but there's been a huge debate around the world about the force of israel's response to what happened on october. the 7th you have of course, condemned that responds. but on send me this, if you will, if a single day, how much must have good hundreds of his race in the west attack of jew since the 2nd world war, women and children of people would murder some or even right to a sexually abused for some of the we're actually in the peace movement is it time that how was there as well supposed to react to that press the one this i agree that i do not accept that. can you go to the injury and go to the human mediating guy, mississippi, and all that kind of thing, now known as the name. but i don't think that the fact that you had said, isn't it the children would come, that they just don't accept all their jobs execution for couldn't 10001st thing in
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children. that is unacceptable. but you're not the, i'm the, i'm the has to do. you did not start from this event to but the big question here is how many pundits doing ends up being killed since 1948 and what happened before the 7th of october. and so we have time, i can describe that, but i think the message, the other thing is we have receiving that isn't as does not belong to. these does not belong to allow of other students, students and intuition and nothing else felt in the united nations and kind of the model is showing the annexation of not on the list back. also, guys are the cdn by the heights. nothing, you know is declaring company, do not choose the best prime minister to prevent a listing in states. so what is the best solution to plan on violence? is it to continue the environmental garza, which has already taken the lives of $29000.00 people?
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if we include the people on the table or to find a different monthly winter, you'll have an ard. so my question, which was, how was israel supposed to respond to what happened on october the 7th, we could get it to the history we will get into the history. um, but, but what kind of response would you expect israel to have made? i'm didn't how most expected it would be exactly what happened exactly what happened looking at how much it, how is it? as responded with boom, bottom into gus. continuously for see leaks using on types of aspects. there is like 70 percent of all the houses income. you know, according to the most recent, because the points during the 2nd world war, germany has on the 10 percent of the homes and does that and get unlimited storage unit on 2nd. what is it?
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i'm not the proportion of the different thoughts of this person that you're at, but what would have been proportion, but what would it be that point of view? now what would be proportional just to see it to the was enough, is enough with this settlement violence. we don't want this to continue and there's the end of the patient. so i am not meant to conduct the thought and i know that you can give the patient if you concentrate on the symptom of them the cause of that disease. do you think you're not saying that how boss is a was, as i said earlier, to provoke israel and to doing exactly what it did, provoked must've been that tre retaliation and then condemn israel for it. no, i don't think so. i don't think i must expect to have this kind of an edge. i don't think so. maybe if they knew what, what was what going to happen? maybe they would have to revise the plans. i don't know, i'm not in the mines, but i know that we've been living so 75 for use of oppression of the displacement
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of ethnic cleansing, which affect up 70 percent of the palestinian people. i know that 70 percent of the national guys that have bills if you use the live buyers that are in the 1948, i'm the one that goes it has to be on the siege for 17 years with no electricity, no water, the water? no, no economy, 80 percent of the people. what i do kid live on employee and 70 percent. what on the positive and what, what did that lead to? i know that spanish speaking and signed an agreement i piece agreement with is or what they accept it. a very painful compromise. a state on the 22 percent on the of the historic palestine. all the united nations said we shouldn't have 44 percent. i'm still isn't it. and wouldn't accept. i know that nathaniel was needing this was . may that right? mention wait, wait, wait a minute in december, 2000 and president clinton, guy who had, excuse me, israel at who would back offered you
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a state on 95 percent of the west bank a 100 percent of the gaza strip with lives works to compensate for the sacraments control of arrow, barriers of east jerusalem divided sovereignty over the only sides provision for the return of many palestinian refugees to the new state. it was even by the reckoning of palestinian company. the date is the best deal that you, what ever offered of yasser, arafat turned it down. so you can blame the lots of things, but you have also missed opportunities along the way. this was the largest opportunity that you did miss watson, that you sent them. this is the short what you haven't got this could i know it's a global narrative actually. i know it's not because what demands uh the negotiations and then is that is that was not accept listing. and so i need to over is to, to something that was the main cause. why that these negotiations,
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vince did not accept by this to me. i'm going to going over the waters on the inside. and this is not except exactly that they would withdraw this how much time though to bite the sign was the one inside the another. there is another side of that and you had a better deal since then. have you had a better off? no, no, that's why what happened? because my, my question is, why is it an up to now? does not say to the world and it was, you have money. i have to buy the studios. what are the motors? is that is the only company in the world which refuses to identify it's bought this . nothing now is say, i mean we find most likely him until destroyed. so starting nothing. yeah. the man may have the dimension of his life, but can also talk to the potential for the 2 state solution. okay, well the that, that, that is, that is your narrative. that is the public speaking the
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a narrative. you just because you accuse me of pushing, israel is narrative, but that's yours. i want to ask you how important to you is the judge of genocide against israel brought by south africa at the international court of justice. do you do respect that court? absolutely. and i do think that south africa is clinics about getting the skis and it does not go incident that south africa that i'd have to call out to get the quotes, throws out the south african accusation of genocide. will you accept that or accused the cause of bias? we will not have to learn it by deals by us. you will continue to struggle to make the world understand what's happening. but if you allow me, when 29000 people in those by the studios articles, mostly civilians. when $10000.00 children outcome in less than 3 months, i'm doing 75 percent of the whole of the horses are destroyed and only of us it
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does are destroyed and most trusted because i've destroyed and the of my physics book. so it's now says i'm have little fish in the room, but the buyers that are in a good many of them and 104, i'm building some stuff with this. like this is general side. and when, when nothing. yeah, and money out of that is that it really does declare in the very beginning of the war that's on palestinians must be evicted. but i'm going to sign on that there's an intention not only posed to conduct ethnic cleansing, but to conduct general side bible embodying the city and population. israel has rejected the judge on many occasions, and we'll have to wait about several years for the court to give a final decision that may be interesting provisions that there's announces, but it could take a long time will go to the court. then what do you want from the court immediately if you allow me is to saying that,
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then it is the mission of genocide. i'm to give it as an add on or the stop door, or do you will slow resent the quotes if it doesn't do that? no, no, no, we just step the we, we haven't been appealing to them, so i'm not in the criminal courts. what do you know just about to do what kind of society you talked about, all the horrors that of to be going on and gaza, the destruction the best, the injuries, the lack of basic supplies, what, what kind of society could they budge from this war? after all, the physical and psychological damage, especially to children, i can literally have such a honey been among cause damage and destruction. we have to is one is to make it at ease in for an event. or another way is to make it an option. i believe and making it, don't know what's on it yet. it might, it was just an idea this
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a comfortable word, but the point is he built it and we kindly built our country, but we cannot city built over the country when we are okay by advisor. and in my opinion, the whole world must see us as equal human beings with as it is when the, when the boy was, sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you when the war ends. you want to see palestinian elections . you set the current crisis, you wrote to show the need for palestinians to have a unified leadership and unified into the national unity government. the majority of published in forces groups agree with this vision. really, they've never been able to agree on anything like it in the past that allowed unity between rival sections, how many promises were made about elections and then broke. and how many publishers about publish the new the t decade after decade? yeah, off the never happened. was it going to happen now?
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because we've never been in such a difficult situation as we are to the and any responsible 1st duty on, on addition must accept the unity is the only way out of this mess. you know me, i've been, i've looked at all frequency relation between 500 and how much i, even with the effective them between them. and i was, the person who managed to convince them was creating a nation that even if the government in 2007, if that government stayed on, if the world does not, the boy cut it, we would have been now in a different situation. we went fed that in 2021. we were just about to have the democratic connections for the 1st time since 2006 unfortunately is the obstacle to prevent the elections. they did not allow elections enjoy those of the city and also to use that as an excuse to cancel elections, which was a big mistake. how do we have elections in 2021, not think about the impact of started with have got an absolute majority. we would
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have had to have a democratic coalition and then a government control invoice with the bank and does the continue to struggle between to have independence, identical to mention you say this without going to but the you've never showed that the palestinian authority in particular is never sure of much of the way of democratic credentials have. if you look at the flagrant, the human rights abuses committed by security services, the torture they abuse the club down of free speech. they and that's why the interruption was that whole israel's fault. yes, it was the corruption, they made them to not, not it's not isn't as full alone. but it does. lot of really isn't and it falls because it is that i didn't want to step on this thing and also need to be on the security code on them. this is what i as, and the united states fault in particular that if used to allow us to have
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democratic 3 elections. ok, let's talk about the united states for a moment. because that view seems to be that any agreement must contain what they call a political horizon for the palestinians and ultimately a palestinian state. do you trust america to insist on that or done? it hasn't been part of the thinking for a very long time. has it unfortunately, the states of america has lost them an opportunity to, to be a, to me, to you. and that's kind of me the kind of between us and visitor and, and that's why i don't think they kind of flip out to know why they are supporting this optimal city against us. and why the participate in the themselves by sending americans on the part of the zip and it's on dominican advisors and, and planes. it's expensive to plan. i don't know if i'm indeed do you have to be in boshamp? in this case, the united states cannot be in boston because it is becoming a total and complete strategic support. federal is a, it's an addition, i guess, the constitution people just about 13 by you don't have
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a choice here. you don't have a choice or whatever you would think of the by the administration. a victory by donald trump in november wouldn't exactly the hans, the palestinian position would. so you're going to need to work with by now, whether you like it or not to the palestinian groups on the staff that the reason i refused to work was by didn't. it's mr. biden, who upstairs from doing and fulfilled his duty during the 3 years before the war started, when he continued to say that the post test solution is what we need. but it's not time for that. and when day and night, the states of america did nothing to for us is that i have to start building 7 months, which is a united states of america mex. it's the main office to control the possibility of the 2 state solution. so it's not our problem, is that a problem? but let me tell you what happened with that and guess a union to these, this is very dangerous for the whole one. why? because end of the entity is the united states are attending the world that we
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don't have international law anymore. and that's what the, what is done by those of jungle. you know what that would mean to other countries in this world. it would mean if you have the problem, you can do whatever you want. well that's a better. okay. can you guys look at that closer, closer to hope with you. if you reject violence against civilians you've made that perfectly clear. but if the gentleman by him, i'm not who i've been advocating environments all my life. i understand. but opinion polls in the west bank and gaza show growing approval for violence. what's going on resistance, just 2 months into the war. 60 percent of public opinion said they'd back a violent struggle up 10 percent from before. the conflict on palestinians tired of fighting really want more. the city of support at the resistance is through
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and then be documented that existence of this fund a big majority of the think that many times it is this does is more effective mainly because it's an outcome the other way, which is the. so when you go to the issues, then what is missed that i best this government. but i didn't go through yet. what is there any sort of have to use signing that agreement, making us compromises and get the nothing but human emotion. and as it is violation even of the product, the, the best thing i know is that if you have the pricing good for them, i mean, also to, to what so ever inventing all the policies and citizen, those back include the what you were talking about, the guys, but also about the west bank, you know, and the west bank, the army has, could probably be more than $540.00 people since the beginning of last year. and it goes on and said lots are packing gus and said lot about receiving work on sundays,
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early government. so the question um, how much does the government be? yes. but the from the other side, whatever israel did from us was committed to its destruction. wasn't that the august 19? $88.00 governor made that clear. there's no solution that set for the palestinian question except through jihad initiatives. proposals and international conferences are a waste of time. factors from us never wanted to tool. it only wanted the fights and by all accounts, it still does is not the truth. not exactly because yes we have such statements before, but i know exactly how from as states because i met with them and all the seasons we had, i even managed to convince them was non violence resistance for more than 5 years. during which time was that it was peaceful demonstrations and they went back just to be by the side. yes, i do you what they can't accept. what was included in the national unity program of
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our national unity government and 2007. and it was a clear up under simeon state on 1967, both us including these drawers and then i ended up location of that. do you want? i'm just using of, of the items to the dental, but a see now this, which is just the bottom of the see if they got it. of course, of course, it's not the 2017. they said there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the zionist entity. so again, nothing to discuss the final lift meant to do what mr. this must have said. who is the finance minister needs through a new concept. he's not in the government. that's in the minnesota and the government. he said he called him says he wasn't shy lambert, i'm calling from central afresh on the floor. and he said that we, he said that from the, from the bank would settlements on this. so that kind of deals with lose any of the staples that on and then they would have one of the options either to leave which
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is that from the cleansing auto accept the life of subjugation to is that is which is i thought died or died, which is which is genocide this the minute the, all fine the i'm, what you said wasn't able to get that by the time you know, i and you could sit down and look for any new position that was expressed as it's hopeless. i hope in a different way. i see the reason of the people on both sides who try to get that to find a way out of the situation. but to accept, i may have a principle which has application of international which day is occupation must end as an entity point to piece between both people. how like, how long is that? how likely is a day of that's very low, your a low voice, and the very big will that this onto the bug booty? well i, i just found, i was asked this question many times,
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but i respond to that by asking the question who, who have never thought the gentleman is unfinished, even with confidence in such a way. and they will be in union after having so many words. i think i miss daniels lives. jewish people are very much alike. we could build a field trip together to gather the van to continue to fight each other. because each of you, you, you wrote, you wrote in may last year that a great number of palestinians believe the only solution left is a single democratic state on the whole of what you quoted started palestine without occupation, a positive or discrimination. in other words, a one state solution where all citizens have equal rights of equal duties. what are the makes you think that something like that is even remotely possible? because in that situation, like we have to do all the lines of historic by this time we have about 7000000
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jewish people, about 7000000 people living on the same land. one site is powerful, the other side is weak. one side is i know to buy or the other side is what to buy . what is the solution? one of the reasons, the 1st one is to state solution, which is the problem. the 2nd solution is one of the democratic states literally kind of live together equally and or exist peacefully. the only option is ethnic lindsay go 1st thing. that's exactly what my time. yeah. once more, but it's out of things to do. and that's what, that's what i have to do in god. but that's what i love to work. so that's why we have one or 2 options. i have the one of the book that i could speak. why not? and as one of my best friends daniel button boom, the user should talk to me once. sometimes then bust him is easy of the difficult.
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and that's why i will never stop believing that one of them will kind of difficult people so that i know it looks now impossible, with all these feelings over the advantage of vengeance, etc. but my view with you as a leader is somebody who hope to be, but other than be picking them depressed very briefly cuz we're running out of time just literally what, what if you can't 5, the don't find the solution that you're looking for is october the 7th is going to happen again, and i hope not. i don't think violence is the solution to any other violence. i think that the action items, it isn't available on smart tv, but look, always look forward and i've turned up this past. and that's what i would continue to 2nd floor. so that's i would have people eventually we'd be free. a lot of people would be accepted as quite human beings, as we would have all the lights on top of which should be freedom on different stuff in faculty. thanks very much for being a complex so thank you. thank the
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