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. this is the story that's l. lopez. just over 40 years ago, she gave birth to a child imagery clinic. she should have seen one of the happiest moments of her life. but it turned out to be the worst guilt video to me that is the end of the booklet and let her stay. so yeah, i don't remember anything except to moment when the bus was already out of the the don't to relo was leaning over me saying i'd give him bus 2 a daughter. but that she wasn't very well. so he wanted to have had baptized right away of the day. you see black level, i was still very hazy and said yes to everything the chalet already you don't to then i left the delivery room with a non unreturned to that late to with a baby old wrapped up in a towel. it maybe says, i said give your child a case and i kissed the little face and it was freezing me. so i saw the whole

bundle was ice, cold, the lady, just dumb we for the i love the, the, the, the news. but the gap i found that's what i saw that 2 hours later talk to then i came back and told me my child was dead for you. at the back home i sank into a deep depression. you dear, one day my husband came in with the newspaper and said, don't event as being arrested. someone reported him for baby trafficking, southern i believe because a generalist was investigating the photographer, found a frozen baby in the clinic's freezer, and secretly took photos as yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you'd have so i said to my husband for the blood, this is the child i was shown with the o d u and then i told him the whole story. he did either to okay. leather. it has to be here. yeah, this is really good. that was a study of the ladies the

the transfer, the for i to else. and lopez is not an isolated case. around 300000 women in spain have had the children stolen only in the past 10 to 15 years. and in spain have had the children stolen only in the past 10 to 15 years has the full scale of the crime come to light. since then, mothers have been looking for the children and children for their best parents. but this is proving extremely difficult because most of the evidence has been covered up the the, the origins of the child safety can be traced back to the 19 thirty's. spain was

a backward impoverished, conservative country. at the time. 1931 new democratic elections were a source of high hopes but soon general frank coast right, we military forces stage. the crew against the young republic risk civil war ensued, with hundreds of thousands of dance. the general franco emerged victorious in 1939 and subsequently ruled with the insist about 500000 political opponents, ended up in prison. among them many women who would vote for the republic. they brought the infants with them to prison, but the children would never registered, which left them dangerously vulnerable, the it'll come and then the by the,

when i filled out for them into like every step in 10 to the ideological basis for the kidnapping of children was provided by the military psychiatrist via so not correct enough for him left us ideas were a kind of mental illness that sort of is crucial to prevent. the babies from feeding on the milk is coming that some of the month of democratization of the country had caused the to generation and the spanish race in order to regenerate that. the children of the red so have to be removed from the influence of their parents. any one that above all from the influence of their mothers, from the female in general, had a tendency towards perversity evil. a tendency that was only intensified when women interfered in politics. they don't, as was frequently the case in the republican comment after they said that if you see a develop the a, this does frank coast justification know, phone lisa motoring and then presenting dissenters. but also to taking away that children, according to google, if you haven't know,

today's leaders get better. medion effectively thought, like getting a 1940. they even created laws to save the children of republican parents. it is you, this was that before you provided a legal veneer for taking children from their parents and revoking parental custody of selling under the at the age of 3 years, the children of imprisoned women were collected from the prison by soldiers with no explanation of and taken to convince or church homeless for the education. and i think over here some of the i think there's an opportunity for us. yeah. the re calvin uses research has revealed that by the end of the 1940s, some 30000 children had been abducted from the parents for political reasons. and given under full names to couples loyal to the regime or placed in homes. ready

ready according to vineyards, the church was a willing partner and frank coast painted with increasing privileges. list. yeah, no, i use all these regular here. either principle to say the catholic church collaborated with front goes dictatorship is an accurate seventy's won't easily say the catholic church was the heart of franco isn't very niche was frankly, someone can come to see if he could. frankly, wisdom could not have existed without the catholic church for the youngest. the babies, the church sees the reason to apologize. to this day. it hasn't bunched an inch on tiny question. the truth, i just don't want to navigate, because i'm not a except the 1945, franco, who described himself as a 70 loyal son of the church, declared catholicism to be the official state religion.

the agreements granted the church control over the education and health sectors. now, nothing stood in the way of the re education and the legal adoption of red children from the fifty's on which the political rational was no longer necessary. by then, franco had spain. suddenly, in his grief the abduction of children now developed into a business model involving doctors, lawyers, and above all, the catholic church. childless couples the there ought most to present themselves as a good family. a baby cost about as much as a condominium, while adoptive parents will lead to believe that the bus mother did not want the

child unmarried, pregnant women were branded as full and goals or prostitutes as punishment. they was sent to church homes where they were forced to do backbreaking work for no pay . these homes were controlled by a state institution run by franco his wife one such home was pena grundy. on the outskirts of madrid. now a modern school, nothing recalls the disappearance of hundreds of new bones there up until the early 19 eighties. however, old footage shows how things were back then. dolores gomez writes and impregnated by her own father when she was 15, also remembers when the goddess nobody made okay. they put it once out on, i'm to say that the she's supposed to be and when you arrived and your grand a as

a pregnant young go, the nuns didn't ask how long you, but rather what happened. do you want to keep the child or give it up for adoption? so open sounds good in that moment. i don't think any of us that even thought about the question. guess we were still getting used to on you invited your boss. notice that hard, but they didn't let how they kept questioning till they had you stuff in the office . uh huh. when so this is a young single go, no family in the background, which means no one will ask questions and the case if in the don't that i'm, i didn't even after that they would just, i'm relenting from what i can do that's give your child up for adoption, and it can grow up in a good christian family is goodwill and somebody else monday nor to say you won't be able to raise the child any way to know what's happening. you know, was anything you or nothing. so i said, oh no, that was so brutal, this yak, i totally get it out. but who the

the also consuelo go see. adel said was one of the 1st to take a close look at child trafficking and penny a grunting through facebook. she contacted women who were in turns there and recorded the stories a separate unit. i just have what a stablish the. yeah. and they'll say to my one. and so this jessie and i'll probably tell it was in the human watch pain tonight. the nuns even took advantage of the women's name of painters. they left the pregnant woman alone in a room, a cold, and they div sorrows. and when the pain got on bearable, they came with the adoption paper and said, well have your baby adopted sign now see the sign now to mail it out. and if not doing what they do often say, you know, maybe has to be incubated. it's very civic, so that i looked at the incubators with one flora, and after 2 days they tell you,

your child has died and in your some way and said, yeah, those, those, they're sending them with them. that these children will not dead if they've been given up for adoption here? no, not at all. yeah, the elsa lopez's child was also pronounced dead in him, a treat maternity hospital and allegedly buried the same day without her the mother being permitted to attend the funeral. some women heard being told, similar lives, have since had the graves of their allegedly dead children opened and found them empty.

maybe handles 11 of the lucky. yep. the time they told me at the clinic, so they'd vary to my child tia in a mood in a symmetry maker when he got, but it was an i, as i realize last time you have the to another. and this and you, of course i went to the cemetery administration, but they didn't know anything in those data. but much later after further inquiries, they claimed today that i read the remains at the corpse in an anonymous mass grave . this was the custom when no one came forward within 10 years. this year i filed a cool complaint and also took it to the police or they got their response then was to say that they didn't informed me of everything at the time. and that got them been of yes, yes. and i still don't even know where this alleged mass grave is supposed to be. and i mean, just that like in rough or 2nd, why or the cover ups? why does silence fit continues to this day?

spines, bloodless transition from dictatorship to democracy, came at a high price, says both as the throne he was once feigns, most famous judge, prosecuting crimes against humanity. the will doza internationally reviewed and nominated for the nobel peace prize. gallstone failed in his own country. in 2000 to nights he was the 1st day of prosecute the crimes of the franco dictatorship in spain, including the 5th of 30000 children from republican parents. these investigations prompted an accusation of abuse of office on grounds of his violating the 1977, amnesty little the guaranteed impunity for posts. but the trade has no further charge heard by the supreme court, which met with public protest and intense media interest. he was removed from office and banned from practicing his profession for 11 years.

and what is the thought of one though? the only comment when franco died, theoretically it could have meant the end of repression. but in reality, nothing changed. the video that should have been a rupture, a democratic reckoning. yeah, but it's always responsible. so franco regime should have been held accountable for their abuses. but that didn't happen. some of the total under the whole c, c, a spanish, jude history clothes that are used to it all. it was the same judges as during frank coast, arazola nice. there was no transparency whatsoever. you established, it wasn't even a symbolic break with a dictatorship. it was and is a positive sign on the screen minutes. that's why the spanish state hasn't investigated the kidnapping of children. well, the other crimes of the franco era, even though they are all crimes against humanity. and so the

franco dictatorship, which lasted almost 40 years, continues to shape the country to this day. since gallstones asked to argentina who's trying to continue his work, the victims of baby snatching to enjoying a lawsuit in the odds and teeny and coolants against the perpetrators of franco is a glimmer of hope. as the lopez also meets up with, fellows suffer is that common fight unites them feel. navarro is also still looking for her daughter and christina moore, i show for her son in law. could you see that? but if i, so going to get a house, the little susie notion, tina going p e leslie forest k 0 at the info. there's a total stands to let the moment a conflict on the horses. the spanish authorities are still refusing to cooperate with the argentine judiciary and professional cassettes have we've tried everything

they will not gone to the highest court as of days to see on, but nothing has come of it. mm. good. been the last bit and 2nd most then yes, it sad hopes that come to nothing in this though. so need those as well. by the way, i've had a genetic test done in the us, it's been feeling that any a genetic test in the u. s. increases the chance of finding relatives because the u . s. has the world's launch is databases of genetic profiles for comparison. the smashing process really occurs in spanish and the bar trees. flatow is good. now my you are the other. no, that's why the majority of us has the dna testing done in the us army. the con, no human, which we also distrust with the genetic look bar trees in this country, komatsu caraway strange things happening. like it says, the test is negative when in fact it is positive incident. this and things like that down come via the 1st week of october,

the 30th communal florida level that thought you get for it up. and there's 2 new state run dna lab for us in spain for us that, that, that we've been austin phone for a long time now. so and then, and we don't trust the private lab rather back in because we know that many of them are connected to ultra conservative clerical or political cycle con legless m r. s . who is certainly not interested in bringing the crimes of the franco era to line caused by the ticket it passes so that they study gabby to understand the delta a villa is considered one of the key figures in the nationwide network of baby traffic is you know, the 1000 cases, victims named team and he's the assistant system, maria, from the order of the daughters of charity as the perpetrators. despite being

reported dozens of times, dr. villa continued to work with impunity in 2018 challenges were finally brought against him. in one single case. as reported by the spanish press, the 85 year old appeared in court for the oral hearing, where he stated for the record, but he couldn't remember anything. is the next day the trial was suspended due to the defendant's health problems. 5 months later, villa was found guilty, but was acquitted to, to the statute of limitations for the crime. in 2019, he died. many spanish knowns were involved in the baby snatching. but system maria, dr. villas, right hand woman, was the alleged main perpetrator. yet she too was not charged until 2 cases in 2012 of the non by then in her late eighty's refuse to testify.

shortly before a new trial date, the order announced that she had died suddenly and had already been buried. why did the order only announce system, maria's pausing after she had allegedly been quietly buried wise and ex you mation as demanded by victims. groups still to 9 to this day in 2015 it emerge. the 2 different death certificates exist, the original signed by the physician, doctor beto co has a different sequence of digits than the copy. oddly enough, dr. barrow county was not even the attending physician. however, his father was a friend of dr. villa system, maria's former pulse since our interview request was denied, we visited

a doctor barrow call at home. how does he explain the different death certificates? however, he was not up to talking at the registry office. the different number sequences coolest. pressed on the shipment. or get out the channel. i mean the, it is didn't mean to the head of the department promised to look into the mask that she would email us in a week at the latest. but despite several follow up inquiries, we received no answer. no st. kiddos. finally, we searched for the grave of the daughter of charity in the sand whose though symmetry and madrid with system, maria is purportedly buried are officially the symmetry of thores. these are not allowed to tell any one with the grave is located. the religious order does not

meet at last, but not least, we visited the order of the daughters of charity. although they too refused us an official interview. a short conversation ensued. a sister died. we don't give statements, no comment. who our lives on to ashamed of what sister maria did know why a sister did what she had to do? we loved her as she is, she did her job well. the common del mazda was also once a nun in the order of the daughters of charity. the maria at the o'donnell clinic and glow, where the incubators were located was still off. on that day, no one was gone to the entry and the babies was sold. there on sundays,

but most of the foliage don't seem invented either. i mean, coming into the clinic with a pillow under the addresses and then with a baby in there on the study that i'm not just from the formal order, but must be punished. not to speak about justice system. know it's by the judge in your big ideas. i wanted to help people. yeah. so i became a none of the me, which i think the church was much. it was on the side of the house on this side of the pool, the age of the accusations. what about the baby theft? we of the a piece skip it wouldn't let's look at the tone and say the catholic church was often the babies have to,

yet it hasn't been confirmed by any courts or otherwise. the church institutions have studied to sion has nothing to do with the baby steps on their own initiative, not to blame the church as an institution is kind of outrage of simple. so someone like system, maria have been splitting children for years without the road and knowing it bounces. but i, so essentially i said in court, the court would then have to decide whether an institution should be prosecuted because the knowledge of certain actions of its members. so that i can determine that so mid term, the baby abductions up until the 19 ninety's there was a says here alone in 20000 cases have been reported in the last 15

years. most of the cases have been shelved the right thing, little progress. it's too many false leads into little interest on the part of the judiciary says as decimal pull that the track down the truth. say the assign yours is the 2nd. this is of research shows find, find the baby abduction here a maybe one where a clinic doctor gave the cause of death to several babies as of tied to something which is upset because of tied to is a homeless ear infection. he got a feeling that belongs to the dump to signature fun, died from a title and nice event. boosting around to tiffany. say that because hey, kelly. hi, that elizabeth is a bus hold on. i mean, the electricity,

scaife los positive because the family wanted to be socially testable. in those days they had to have children. they specify that e been going through and it was their own that default one. so this i felt the anesthesia oh to these practices for exec, coveted pre laptop explaining to a couple except to proceed from the mentality hospitals. do you want me to does that? do you want to say watch and tina, the kind of thing baby snatching how it has come to these and they told me to act with the powerful and did it with privileges. i'm big brands, entire guns,

and really an instrument of power and in the catholic church that have to fight to break the pattern. for example, live being lives in america, no day in this country, but the dock side of the charge the the truth coming out. yeah. it's itself in silence and just to this very day, sealants. cool thing to a recent survey, fairly still practicing catholics. the is still strong today. the next priest from the ok attributes these primarily to the with sexual morales. he is, i will say the only saying that really counts for the church is facts. yeah. by like declaring sex us in so you can dominate the faithful for home.

it is a child's by a priest. when he took rebuked him, he was the siena. he seduced the priest, but 1st personal experiences he did by the church as involvement in the baby abductions that early work he believes because the hostile system that read a true you see that the said that they were doing good keep the 50000 away a woman's baby, because in a non xyz, an unmarried woman was it said to be a mother knew. so she was saving the child by giving it to affluent christian people. that was the belief yet for the children at the church debate, profitable business. but for the individual, none, it had nothing to do with money as our but if you had the money

for the sale of the children was not had started forward and she took to the mother superior looking no, no for a non when you don't give her money, would you give her a pilot? yeah, show to the delivery really the keys to a pallet. well that that's how you get out on your site. but perhaps some nuns going to kind of treadmill the been kept increasing guy. so those kinds of crazy, 2 or 3 cases like that may have told themselves, we'll play this child a moment. but as the demand, multi piety level at the non wasn't concerned with them saving a child. but we think the job done that will come look, put in front of her boss, the doctor needed a child, and i'm a photo if the candle general equal that may be once a year, but then once a month they the once a week will need and then a week,

every day the and the strong united movement to force clarification system. there were too many victim groups guessing down in problems and petty jealousies to the brain. sapient well on strongly agree with one or 2. no is know that police the t we need, there's a must be unless of course the, as he has forgotten, ask is under government say this, we have in phones the senate come get him out. he's probably like nothing happened . okay. but then then it says, i think if i for dying, what do you handle almost died in the meantime, e or betray just to of course k o, o know margaret, when the 5th of the who's lost a child stop paintings to the truth that she won't stone, you know,

she caught up in the sense to you to we done most of talking to ping for her twin brother as being so many years she victim support group and just to knowledge and tina. and perhaps most importantly, she introduced a bill in the spanish parliament that requires the state to recognize child abduction as a crime against humanity. it's the lutely crucial law for the ends of baby snatching. because it would finally compel the state just the disappeared children to the individual cases and to bring to justice stuff by the demand. first and foremost, the opening of the archives, the state, and probably basically that is in the private archives with the catholic church, which is to this day because it opens these

archives and makes the nation accessible for victims, can learn the truth, which will finally conduct research into that perspective cases in one of those firms we on compensation lo, nichols and medical help to help us the vic, tennessee math in. but we need gonzalo pull sense who's been in for his biological routes for over 20 years. the goodwill of politics like alicia for sure even to open its archives. but immediately collection is actually happening most a load of similar passing info on and nurseries in

additional prophet t m. p. 19 seventies visual septic era threat relief organization that all said young pregnant women apartments must be to hide the shame from the public on the men's medical arrangements from the lines ation to delivery. once this operation began, like prosecute his office around shall safety, give us this unmarried young mothers with coaxed and co worst into giving upset babies all the medical accomplices guns. some of these stolen children. he's suffering from dementia. when he 1st sold the documents that showed something was wrong in his to entry was

missing the name of his parents interstate, actually unusually, i just to be legally adopted, but sold by figueroa. since i don't know, of course, thinking logically eating disorder, eating darkness to his perception of a happy childhood. and he, patient, once again, who was this man a good form a keeps going up. t quick bias. church circles before 2 adoptive parents to get them to what cost with him on christian child rearing and tend to be baptized in the rectory and in the poor concepcion church. the more about my birth, i went to joseph vigorous from tonight to 74 and they told me i

will try to find out anything. yeah, i'll just try it on the archives. i'm buying it on the other option. we'll just try it again a week later, but uh, incandescent. got only that there being a fire years ago, which has destroyed all the document photo 9 and nothing on the yellow one. i didn't call off the docs and put the apple if they have say, oh my gosh, i don't think i mean a boat to function. you know that i couldn't the feeling the nurse quick check up all the documents. perfect. do i even have the properties we really just sorta, which is numerous occasions to nuns, welcome us. but when we say we journalists stay, a friendly smiles. fade that i'm a go. it was in the eighty's and some hospitals, but had nothing to do with us. so much,

are we talking about the subject? you know true was control i'm if it sounds well done, but the more you deal with shit when the more it starts, just leave me much willing. we also meet a notary whose thoughts deduction type is fulfilled, terrace at the time. what do you have to say about people still searching in vain for their identity? what do you mean? those consent and then registration office in boston? lona: at any time i don't ask for that bus certificate, but that's nothing to hide for. but those concerns present quite differently. but those still pages, they just noted for what it's what so they, they stole me. so there's nothing behind it. there's nothing due to their gums, lines and cover ups. property valid on getting stuff has been

handed over. i don't know anything about us. on the contrary, they don't believe they've acted for the better good. for me. i've given a copay that i keep going, especially from my doctor. so the where she comes from, draw a family tree. the tree was empty for want of only told the premises because the times to these day was the last nothing is due to of these children are actually stored mainly in the archives of public institutions for after maternity awards and clinics with the one and then stone and data on the, on the other hand, it's about to smooth registers set to you in a storage. so state to a couple of the just side of

a person. nothing could give any indication of those origins. no source files comes from. there's stone or not some st. joe's m p 's with these statements and points out the church. all kinds do events that could help victims in this search. the clues of and maternity holmes, one to bring the franco era only and have found each other. but it is often inevitable if it's a too high your in well experience here. i found my daughter, normal kid, that was quite to match the same day to best name is must be bad. and so we dna testing and i mean,

but the result was negative for another army. and, and my son today to the, it's the dream ending with all don't know anything about me in the x would be terrible. i mean that's a well, your expectations of this last 40? yes, i have since the 19. what is that expect that the, the space, the i no longer believe all i've assigned to my door so that i have the other thing is it was in the hands. i often think that it does have adoptive parents. why should that back into my wells? yes. either for at least when i of to know i love the type didn't give her away. and i really do is, is i see that those take any, don't and from i think any,

and the talk to loving how would that listed as the they were? so there's plenty of whatever else with that, the way this, but it did, it was the you with anything else is a not for to speak to a tech a they or they get it. and that's all i care about and say the solution is they'd be that in that i don't that in through how you will leave for the time. it's so late in the have you ever heard the term jump?

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