the young people clearly have the solutions, the future belongs to the 77 percent. every weekend on dw, the 4 months into the browser will i'm as no and do site to the killing. i'm the suffering. how long could israel continue? it's minute you can pay as its allies would increasingly, but too many palestinians are by my guest this week here in tel aviv is from holiday former ahead of israel's foreign intelligence service, the most side for now, europe and america are insisting that this war ends with a pos way to palestinian statehood. jerusalem says no. in the midst of this vision. cool and what can stop the blood chit?

from hot of you're welcome to come things on 4 months into the cause of war as well has failed to achieve the 2 objectives. it sets itself crushing have mice and bring back the hostages. what's gone wrong? i think the war is taking longer than was expected. i think the estimates of the capabilities of the some us to continue to fight and to be relevant to advisor against the idea. and i also believe that too is also results of a miscalculation on up out as to how long this law would take. and the games even achievable, crushing how much i think it's too early to say. i think the war is no, it's over yet. i think most of the strip is no longer under the control of the time us. the major area where the fighting is going on is in the

south where the concentration is all the major commands at positions of if i'm us, which have not yet been penetrated entirely. and i think it is too early to judge whether it's a end with the final defeats of some us or something. some of this, you said recently, if we end the war without a clear cut victory of a mosque, we will not to win the war. we have to carry on as long as we can in order for the other side to raise the white flag. what if they don't raise a white side? if they don't to the raise the white flag, we will continue. i think defending the close on the patients of the international community depending on many other aspects, including the problem of the israel, is as hostages which are being held by the other side. i think that it is

a too early to make a final of the estimates of how this will ultimately and you talk about the patience of the international community. while acknowledging the israel's right to defend itself. some of the cost of stylize have expressed considerable disquiet to about your military campaign. you guys are due share. any of these concerns? a week of to the campaign began, i gave an interview to the london times of which i said that i thought that to have a uh, what do you call the territory? and the nova, uh would be a mistake on our part because i felt as i said, and then they do would own the leads to agony versus i've been a i think we are fast reaching that point. but we have not reached it yet. and i think that is really has

a lot of capability now to continue the war. even if we will have to also devote attention greater attention to the developments in the north of the country. one of the most damaging accusations about is we have some of that you tactics came from joe. by december he accused israel of indiscriminate bombing in gaza. and so shocking accusation isn't it? especially for the military that prides itself on being the most mar, allow me in the world. well, i don't to forget it myself. the confidence to uh, disagree with the president of the united states. and he probably has more information that i have for his conclusion. i would the goal to do different difference and, you know, to accept this particular statement of his but to it, to you, certainly entitled to think. so he's in a position to the what he speaks about his intelligence service has across his

connections with deal as doesn't to says so he, he wouldn't make it out with the oh no, no, but not really no means especially during the fact that to the present to director of the c, i a is a man to live with great ship vacation and i've known of him and i've met him in the past many times nothing. my capacity is headed with most of it and he was the investor to jordan when i was a, the secret invoice during the around for a for that being. the problem is, in order to get the pastry to and i think he's a man of the annual most capability. and also he is a done things that especially on the ukrainian the a c does have been unprecedented to this accusation wouldn't have been made logic with it. i mean the discriminant bombing could amount to

a well crime couldnt it. yes, i think it's a uh, a statement which is, in my view, uh, okay, to, uh, strong, the term to use. uh, when you have a domain, the sometimes when the scope of the bombing uses. so a big deal has to take into account the tier and there they might be a hitches in the operation. but i don't think this is the main character of the way these really offices working news with a performing. and i think that they are very much aware of the, the rules of the international concerning the wolf. if you're using a 1000 pounds or 2000 buttons and into the found bouldin's in the densely populated area, is hardly pinpoint, targeting is defends, what else there is in that particular area area. if of a, the people they're using the, their own

a population as human shields, it's very difficult to can to, because you haven't been attacked and took a, maintain an operation without having here. and there a, a, a, uh, a certain event which it was probably not intended to. but i do think that the by and large israel and these ready forces and also the apples. i've been very careful in the way they have uh, operates in the way they have the bottom to the areas that they needed to them just died of a cutting food boy to and met soon to the gaza strip as also prevent outraging many courses at the beginning of the war, a senior is ready, official major general, across on the, on the coordinate of government activities in the territories declared that in gaza there will be no electricity, no water that will only need to structure you want to tell you will get how in your

view, what military and has been achieved by cutting food water and met some to the civilian population under what circumstances is that not collective punishment out to it by the geneva conventions that will begun in a certain way. a sudden as to actions were taken, as you have described them very quickly, the israel changed its spelled asses and without the food for to be brought into the area. some fruit and lots of food. a larger and larger quantities of food are being taken to the area. unfortunately, this is a been taken over by the time us forces the and the in many cases the population didn't know to benefit from these a surprise. the surprise of being continuing all the time and increasing all the time. and the israel has, i think, to realize that uh uh, it is in its interest not to prevent the larger and larger quantities of food to

enter the territory. unfortunately, as i say, and i said at the moment ago the some us has taken over controls and food and we know that for a fact we know that i know that for a fact, yes, definitely the and this is by the way, is also created uh at the beginning of an uprising of the population, i guess the from us this very reason i'm was that by the design or by cutting food, what's an electricity? what's that is that the, the design of the is read. it was the design of the from us. no, i mean the, the design to limit food limit essentially supply so the population would rise up against the. i mean, they know it's close to township. no, i don't think that that is what happens. uh, we are from our point of view of the uh, analogy greater and greater quantities of food and the other essentially to reach the does a still fun that's who was coming in before the to but they,

but the problem is that the, the, some us is using the distribution of the what we are allowing to enter in a such a manner. that's a many parts of the population. the many areas do not receive well if we ever allowed to enter again. coming back to a point about a international community using patients 800 european, the newest civil 7 to this you, the non president. it statement criticizing their own governments, what they called complicity and your military operations. and they say as well, show no boundaries. and the minute jo, patients and gaza, which resulted tens of thousands of preventable disability. and that's a deliberate blockade of age, putting thousands of civilians at risk of starvation and slow death. not well,

no. i think they're absolutely wrong. i don't think they have the right numbers of people who dies. i don't think they have a capability to add to the area and to know exactly how many people died in a certain moment. a certain day. i believe the number of casualties does have been the suffered in the gaza strip. to some extent, not only a casualty issue, which is writers as well as a little bit also. but what, how much is responsible? because if we're talking about the rules of law and international law in war, the commercial, the last and the was who are tearing to the rules of, into the national little concerning the how to conduct a ministry operation. but under what circumstances can limiting food was to have met some not to be a little crime to say the noun population under what side? we are not preventing the foods to say it should or to know we did not. we did not

prevent any distribution of food to every person in the strip. every person the strip who are not to our uh, uh, hostages were given food and water as much as they wanted it to be addressed me that they be to come us. and we cannot be responsible for all crimes. the mouse has continued a committed and the which we were not responsible. the international court of justice recently throughout refused to throw it back ization i was a genocide leveled at israel. the quote went so far as to say there's at least some of the acts and emissions alleged by south africa to being committed by as well. and does it appear to be capable of forming within the provisions of the genocide convention? do trust the court to rule fairly. i'm not sure that the composition of the call to

a guarantees a fair a outcome. but the fact of the matter is that the court did not all of the a cessation of hostilities. it did not order the end of the war in a month from now. israel will be presenting reports on methods that they called has requested to be examined by israel. and i think that by the judge of all those who believe that the call to a to get up and uh, uh, somebody, uh, a whistle, a look for a claim that the houses are still dismissed. and this has not happened. and the call to and its composition is another call, which is a automatically, uh uh, on his ro side. and also told me was that we have a, a button judge who has a very problem man and a very capable of a man. and a very honest man,

and then it's a national lawyer of the, of great repute, and he's there as well. and i think that to, from the point of view of israel, the result, the nets results the nets, results of the decision of the i c. j is that we can continue the operation. and that's what we're doing for mazda is a militant, is the best organization, designate is a terrorist group by the us and many other countries. that is what we're seeing, revenge what your prime minister cold might, the vengeance or self defense. i don't want to be responsible for a one or other statements. the problem is that you don't have much time. and uh, i don't think that this is something which i have to repulse on all to protect. so to defend. what i will say is that i believe that we are acting in a way which is a commiserate with international law on come back. an estimated

26000 palestinians, 101-1500 children among them. huge areas, reduced to rubble of 2 to monetary and suffering. another $10000.00 children be left without either parent of mother or father. does that come a point? where can you view? it's morally indefensible to continue inflicting so much death on the innocent. with a how much plays a role in this role that corolla parent as well, you still in the role of execution? yeah. so that will began on a certain day when i'm us, evaded israel. and the 1st day was the day of and which are the type of the, the actions that the forces took. all of the genius of those types of treatment data to bid. i can imagine raping women trying to take out the

babies from the rooms of the taking the people his buddies, and cutting them up in thoughts which would prevent even identification. i think that is where it is never enrolled itself in this kind of activity. and i don't think that we should be responsible for what become us up done in the 1st days in which they were active. i have myself a travel done to south and seen entire villages that being the become ruins. small, the towns and israel in the south, where people can no longer live for the moment. and i think that once we enter, it's the area of the what we wanted to do is to push the inside population as far as weight. good. down to the south in order to limit the number of people who are

innocent and would not be liable to suffer as a result of that. and i think that in many ways we have the, i paid the price for that for these, some of the big cases in which people have been killed and being treated not to speak even of the way the hostages are being held, which is obviously a matter which is absolutely totally against international to and the people, the young people, baby is children, the elderly people, all these people being kept in a know in a way which i think is the most distance you can imagine in terms of what international permits you are us the in an interview last year, what you would say to the people of guys in the wake of this destruction, the new replied i would say to the people of guys,

or that it's your fault that you have played host to this group. do really think that but i don't understand what the what you will say. do you really think it's the default of the people in gaza on the people engaged in that they tried house to have mice eh, i think that the, it's their responsibility if they believe and understand what the must have doing to them for many, many as is against their interest, it's a, they're a duty to rise up against the i'm us actually, by the way, in recent days that will be in the green demonstrations and the self of, of a, a, a gaza strip against the, from us. and people who are accusing the most exactly of the things that i have mentioned. but they live with that. and so with some of the executions torture repressions, those who protest routinely being arrested, tortured, beaten,

subject to arbitrate. the touch of ale cheat is it. is it really fair to claim that organ regardless, is played host? i must win to track many candy bookshop. cowed and beaten into submission by the scro pulled back. yes, but we do not to have responsibility for the way the son must race their own population. that's not a job, and this is not our should we say a desire that the they already population should be treated the way that god must repeat to treat them if they wants to change the situation there, it's for them to rise up. and it is for them to go through the most. uh, i think that is the book it we should be expected. i don't think it's our job to save the population of goes up from what the come us doing to them. but we now do is real active. we assisted in the funding, that's how my student is account to wait to the post and into effect in order to

keep palestinians dist united so that i'm able to form their own government of israel do use to the end to send a monthly quantity of uh, of uh, food and other things also financial help from us on a uh, monthly uh, uh, agenda. together with the categories. and uh, this enables the, from us to, into some ways to uh, maintain it. so i'll talk to you in the, in the gaza strip. the they were in charge the and we did not want that they should be unable to buy food and to do other things as well. by the way, i would say for many years, the people, the from the, the gaza strip. a used to enter a israel daily as workers,

and this also gave them the private and to, and also of funding. and these really the hospital, the system has ro i played hosts to many people in the some us who received treatment there. and also underwent a very complicated operations in the best hospitals we have. so i didn't think of it if there's any way to fuse israel in this way. of, of being a, uh, improper in its treatment of the mouse. if you take the entire to over. so many is israel trying to create the new buffers and gaza with it to move its borders into gaza. and despite the opposition k or opposition from america, i do not believe that is very little and so does an overtake pause with the

territory. there is a uh, pause of the, of the, of the connects its of the is we have apartment, has it one or 2 potters which would like israel to uh, return to guys uh after we left guys it by the way. uh and uh, so of our own, but ition the decision to leave you guys uh, in uh, 2005 and 6 was a, a decision of israel. you still controlled everything that went in and out. yeah, supposedly i've allowed goods but we in depth because of our own position and, and it was the, the desired then prime is the a shuttle and that we should not negotiate. we should simply leave and not to impose upon them that any uh, act. so any obligation towards us. a uh, i think that uh, that was uh,

in my way, uh, in my an estimate i'd say a wrong thing to do from a point of view. i don't believe in any of those ation which on some is a you say ok, i'm going to have the, the area and do whatever you wish. i think it with the being better if we had negotiated with them. that was the wish of mr. shut on because he didn't want to recognize them as a force in the area. and it just some of the force in the area. but they were free to do what they wanted to count parameters to as rude out a sofa, a palestinian state, or 2 state solution. you'll westbound allies are insisting that there is a pathway to us palestinian state. how do you get the due date is of palestinians. thank. do you want to see why i'm i'm come to ever be peace if there is a uh i believe the altima name. my personal opinion is that uh,

ultimately uh, they'll be a better city and state. that is my understanding. they'll blush will have over the state a southern states. yes. the southern states. it is also uh my understanding that if the palestinians are able to get that house in order and this is for them, i think a, you need, uh, uh, a chance to uh, be able to achieve sovereignty. if cause this will only be achieved, if they do not uh, continue to uh, allow a tenor isn't to be used as a tool against israel. they have to have something to hope for something i think. so. i think the, some of these real has taken that away. i think that the, in, in, in a real negotiation treat us. and then i think we could reach

a understanding which would be supported by the international community by the out of load a. we are also in touch on these that matches together with united states and with saudi arabia. and to some extent, even we've cuts out to see to it that there would be an option, a viable option for a better city and state and one way or another. and if there isn't one, we have just one more after another. i hope not. i don't want to be a despondent in advance. i want to have the hope for the better. uh, i think that uh maybe uh the time will come when the majority, uh, on the other side of the border at the moment will realize that it isn't that interest to find a motor, said wendy with israel. if i'm out of an sprinkler tab down complex, so thank you. back on the side of the

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