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. i know i'm totally on lottie, but welcome to the program to the outside. well, set a goal has appeared to be one of west africa as more stable democracies, at least until now. but internally, the political scene is in town while the country was supposed to be having elections in just over 2 weeks time. but president mackie saw who was due to step down instead, postpone the exercise. and that sparked angle security forces removing opposition. members from the chamber as they try to block the vote. president monkey saw had asked parliament to approve at the lee of the upcoming elections or with these pati holding majority in parliament. the bill quickly passed. the opposition has called the move constitutional cool. but the president

denied he was clinging to office with my bottom one from my pock, my solemn commit, but not to run in the presidential election remains unchanged. so i will engage in an open national dialog zillow to bring together the conditions for a free, transparent, and inclusive election process, but on it includes the early of the constitutional code at disqualified civil presidential candidates, including the man endorsed by the president marcus onset. the irregularities in the registration of candidates meant the elections had to be postponed. scenic, all has been seen as a beacon of peace and stability in west africa. opposition candidates see that image is not tonisha. to be in this country, that was

a champion of democracy. in a country that had become a benchmark in africa and the world war, a country respected by all ends everywhere. but what has happened to bring us to this point he will not marry as it suggests. but seeing the goal has seen its fair share of turmoil in recent months, demonstrators and opposition members have been arrested and killed, fueling more attention. they planning on keeping the just the beginning, the beginning, they going to go on and on and on and on. we don't know. so ever since we want to confront unless you in the election, that's all we want. we don't want anything else, not to the senate goals, appointment with democracy has been delayed. mainly he a fee of that market song at best has said a worrying sign, and at worst is boring from the playbook of his autocratic neighbors.

so has of mackie, sol changed his mind about staying and power? i put that question to a lot of your team from the gray institute in deka, the speed she repeated that he's not supposed to stay. so once leave, that is what you said. even he was having to speak to the, to the center of the nation. and he, or know that max, i've decided not to run for said to him, but uh, what happened really is that it is the pressure at the national, international level that permits him. uh, drop that decision to run for sending it sort of thing to him. but what do you see now that he's not really yet to include the power? because uh today. uh, he wants to stay 10 more months and illegally. he's uh, he's monday, he's supposed to end at the april. the 2nd and not from interested continued. most

likely be the present. i'm sending the money stays the cost of $10.00. i log into a ask for it and i'm just gonna go. now what is going to be done? i have a date from uh, april 2nd. we don't know. yes. but what the issue is, uh, i got a lot of people who say that the we are, we don't use that to use not really yet. do it. we're not gonna change. because i asked him, you know, he's not very close to him, but i'm worried about he's the prime minister today. he's the one who's chosen drunk for addiction to, for the, for the, for the political party in power. and i think that the as some, some, some, some, some pro, some studies i showed you when i was connection today, a few minutes late. and that is why he decided to pay the preference out because people to he didn't there because the body and everybody to the exit to use his decision. because i think free a free people that they put

a good body to run for an action as the president. right. so where do we think this is heading? we've seen some of the anger out in the streets. we're seeing politicians as well expressed the the outrage. um, will this be settled in the streets, so in the quotes. oh yeah, yeah, definitely. i mean, i think 2 strategies. the 1st one is uh the, the, the, uh, the uh, the quotes you did at the, i'm assuming it happened not super easy to find, find it. ringback now, so you can finding the position, i haven't been complain. and but that requested by the forty's, because that is supposed to have those command because then it showed up plus phone by the, by the problem. and this 1st day that this was, this was for the sunday this sunday there were some uh, some uh, some people in the person who i received because they decided to do the compass.

most of them were i received about they were leased at 25. i was later disagree the spot did use that to go to court. because today this decision has to be confirmed by the customer code. and they have protested stored at the simple to say that they have to come to this decision made by the, by the president and confirmed by the by didn't. that's not somebody because the rest of work is for the. ready cost the console and now they have not the, the suite trying to help the company. but at the same time, and i've done some purpose where they've got us here to corporate countries. this is the president. i'm just wondering, center go for a long time, at least from the outside, has been seen by many as a beacon of democracy in, in, in the region where we see trouble. we see military coups and, and things like that. but is this a view actually misguided? it has some of goals. democracy actually be at being as stable as the outside world

seems to think to i think i think that is uh, that is the mentality that the, the, the actual present did not really uh, uh, many things because uh since you got it, you see, and we'll we'll see, we'll say as, as i'm one of them across in west africa. if you see the countries around and ago they have gone through. uh, who did the honda go onto uh, asked if it was a hog going through. uh uh, anything enterprises. it may not be a social even, uh that i have, i assume that democrats is not really uh, something really vista, humphrey, and uh, synagogue. it was quoted as an example because we have gone to, uh, uh, transitions, uh, apply what has come to the airport after uh, been for the use of the 5th in power and tell us late too much time has come. uh

wonder if there's any due today is not really some deflected a ways to run a country because as an example, i think this the 5th is, is, is not read arriving because you're not as artist you today. i'm hundreds and hundreds of opponents fly in jail because they just uh for 50, for the you mean by the, by the because body and power uh somebody knows i received or the estimate is got. so i think that the feeling of even that is speak, that the not number or having synagogue. and now what we see today is the quoted uh, uh, because uh, the present 5 decided to, to postpone the election to stay in powell for about one year. and i don't see the difference between what the heart don't and what is happening in the got it got you how to copy the desire when a minute to read comes in and just stop because you're going on and just say that i

think the power from now, because legally she doesn't have the right to stay again to, but what happens is that to data echo was just going to meet the, the condemned. that means that even when the president, i can buy lips the detect seasonal vehicle, rustic, 1000 and really condemned by company and sending is really unfortunate because the sending of these people expecting more than that from the international companies that will be wanting to see how it on falls with let's your team, senior program officer for peace building and conflict prevention at gore institute and dot com. thank you very much for that analysis. thank you. in recent years, political protests have become more common incentive goal and human rights groups have accused the countries and security forces of using excessive force the crack down on descent. while the threat of violence awaits those taken to the streets,

some senegalese are using their odds to express their grievances as dw 0 to a report from an odd collect isn't that costs up. but normally this building is full of students learning how to express their frustration through graffiti. today, it's almost m t mobile internet switched off across the country. many people staying home, fear in violent protests, not through the co founder and teach use this to 50, to denounce this government's actions. you can see some photos man is like chilly shooting population, killing or not. i want to send this to son some one. now somebody at least 23 people died during anti government demonstrations. and this the international says some were shot by police just one hour of the month to

finish this ad work, the well was taken down by the government. he suspects we cannot talk about democracy if it's, it's kind of an example where someone by himself can decide to lead or who, who go to wow, who going to succeed or not? does not the mark. we are the generations wake up beautifully and understand that something is definitely wrong and we have to change it right now. what else are you going to call residents express? they just release as much as size decisions. so today is the election. when young people just press one, change the street someone to do than usual and protest smaller than in previous yes . but many, yes, yeah. that lots of potentially more violent protests. so you have to come. ok, but i'm really short because your part that i really thought we were going to vote . i've never seen anything like this. i was born of thought independence,

and i never thought we'd lived through what we see. you know, the african countries here in center go looking for a replica. what am i doing planted by the on off with, with get with, with terrorized because we live in complete insecurity to that. if you, when you see the protest and what's going on here, it's difficult to live, to divide and scan. so we had hard of the government for the young people here. they thought the claim is, but they don't have any look. there's no work, there's nothing here. a tool. i don't pry out in the low most general cuz he don't found that. let me just tell him a little more about the self stan separate tutorials. this video is, was about the last demonstration, instead of go about telling the president to, to stop, you know, all these troubles instead of go and try to go down. this is reason to use that seems that everything's, we're going back to 0. did yeah. why?

the is a rep of who's thinks about the backsliding of democracy in this country. he's urging old people to come together and stand up for their rights to decide about sending those future. i'm waiting for it on my side. i'm waiting for. i'm hoping i'm praying that ever senegalese is the own all these own development. and if we all believe we know what the insanity we can discuss back in must, who is ad gallery, his team of developing then next visual assault on the presidents a few years ago. and he believes people will never be able to go outside to expose themselves on the front of paul least his life would have gotten fully sharp point of view. it used screaming for the center i was from i see that that's my, that's my personal experience. i see that this population wanted

to be we wouldn't need any young people know exactly what they want, jobs, peaceful, elections, and a prosperous future. the evolution of technology is changing the way we live in many ways, including the means and manner of media consumption. podcasting is one of those sectors that is growing even in africa and it's giving content, creators, opportunities and freedom to get their voice has had the scene is also mostly led by women. as dw edith kamani reports from nairobi. can you another fundamental of reach 6 for me is the freedom to be super loud lead to t. m. and we're giving you may have a few to conversations, but the podcast stars carefully to reach the image. they've disrupt up creating

content which will be released over the coming month for the port cast, the messy in between or t m i. recently, they've been named one of africa's top shows. they see they're offering something new for an applicant audio talking about their lives in a fresh and uninhibited we sampled was to be like, you young, go to little bit talking about the fuel cap thing the on the you with with something and the others were like wow, thank you for talking about these. thank you for sharing some of these things that you know, other we've been a we've, i thought i was alone, you know both the way through it. and for us i feel like those people, that's the 2nd group. they'll what people are going to you might discuss is sensitive and taboo topics in a bunch of being relax. style is like no one is uploading a one for being a mom to a kid that should give birth to. yeah. but people absolutely. it's an intimate way of talking but has indeed them to a normal, fun based. we'd like to create an feel tight and so, and that's what we would do on our own individual pages like authentically creating and sharing knowledge. journeys in a very vulnerable and open way. so we want to to, you might be thoughts but not

a stronger concentration. and more focused on the struggles we've been have moved across the city attending younger and had team a getting a booth sweetie to take a new media company to list africa to a large beauty exhibit. she started a personal podcast 5 years ago. now she runs a fully fledged media onto price offering training to budding podcast. so what i did is come up with that curriculum to the digital digital curriculum to coach africans on how can they make sustainable contents and then needs them to be new me, dep petition and those that we've had our own in house master classes on podcast. thing teaching about the business uncles is a big part of sustainability is not only the content, but also how do we make sure you're making adequate revenue. seeing women make that revenue and keeping it is something close to many simple goods heart. she works for africa put fest, which supports podcast us in

a range of different ways. we can see this future this potential. but if we don't step in like in, in and talk about the money, talk about how we're going to actually create business models out of this. how we going to make sure that the money flows in a way that sent us us the historically marginalized? you know, then it's going to pass by us pass. so we do pass and other people who kind of take it off, but if they're not, if they don't come and find us back at the studio, lydia and ruby wrapped these shoots with the media and plays across various platforms. their pod cast is now able to do what most cannot pay them less big now to just van car and a co founder of africa pod fast. hi joe. and we also had your colleague and that reports melissa, co founder as well. and then that reports just talking there about how podcasts

have created korea's for people in kenya. you've been studying the continent and, and the trends with podcasts. what makes for a good podcast? ok, well, thank you for having me. so one of the things about i'm great frequent webcast is that it is created with the african audience in mind. so agree podcast knows exactly where it's being listened to. so you already got the idea and this name mind whether they're sitting in traffic and they will be, or they have a business in a cry or they are add, you know, somebody who's in a position of leadership in lagos, wherever the are you know, exactly how long they are going to listen to the broadcast and why they're listening. so you've got to grab their attention in the 1st 20 seconds. if you don't have the attention, you go to start again. it's a great podcast one because it's response to the language of the person who's

listening to that point cost. and of course, it is rooted in the things that people love about africa, great storytelling, greet accounts, great personalities. and that's what i think would make a really good um podcast. what trends are you seeing around podcasts both in terms of the way they're made, but also in terms of the way they're consumed? or so the advocate part 1st we started looking at what people are thinking and consuming from a perspective of asking people what would you like your put cost to your favorite point cost is talk about on the phone that people want to hear stories about what's happening in the country, what's happening in the neighborhood, what's happening in the industry. and a lot of people really enjoy listening to pop culture podcasts. they like listening to stories that don't necessarily get at time on the national stations. they want to hear about topics that are with sped in many context and it could be everything

from how much money do you on to what are the latest trends to what's going to be happening in 2024. so a lot of people who responded to us serve as a comport fest when really identifying the, the one to see themselves in their put cost. they want to kill themselves. and then in reverse, we heard from the broadcast to say, great, we love this data. we're going to take it and we're going to amplify the, what they've been doing. and so you find like the top one costs across the continent responds to people who need to really have authority to voice. is that really speak their language and understand the context. but because, you know podcasting is, is accessible, it's the whole scene is democratized in a way of letting people to even say that possibly they are too many palm tests. um, because of the kind of content um, do you think this freedom and this unfiltered nature can become

a problem as well? i mean we launched africa podcast. they have to be on february 12th of every. yeah . and every yeah. we've had some people saying i still haven't had a podcast like the one i wanted to create. and so there are lots of interview style and costs like this particular interview. there's lots of people who are going into nice areas. there's a huge growth in spirituality and religion podcast. of all nature has also multi lingual podcasts going across the country, of course the continent and that's really exciting. these are generally around individuals and then you say community. so sort of this organic ground level. but how can sort of the, the biggest fish, the culprits, the n g o is the government's get involved in a track, this same kind of audience and get involved in that conversation the same way. so i think i would really like people who have an, you know,

a currency to invest in forecast to remember this is a read, we're reaching your whole audience. and we've seen this happen. they've seen heads of state, you know, go to podcast to have their, um, you know, audiences reached. we've seen that a lot of the audiences that are growing across africa on jen z b, i, you know, the fastest growing demographic across africa. so, you know, as a person who is creating content, building around a message, if you have stories that you need to or you have to be involved in audio will seen people build around the concept of the way that audio is portable and creating really like you know content that can be transferred using social apps that can be transferred to even using a flash. this that's taken by what's a bike to the next audience who seen that happen? and you've seen audiences really respond to that and say thank you for reaching me . where i am, so anyone who's got a, you know,

a moment to think about where to put their advertising, where to put their people. uh, put customer is going across africa, thanks to one customer. they've been doing it. you know, in its original form, using narrative podcast, people who are award winning globally. and so there are experts from across as a conflict cost space, where making the best context surely available. if you open up our websites for point testing to africa, you'll find some of them. if you go into many, many, many parts of africa, you will find a podcasts produce that producing great content. we are excited that this is going to become a big part of what's happening across africa, but people need to be informed, you know, get knowledgeable is lots of free resources. if you know, just where to click. so it is an opportunity. i think people should take advantage of the fact that african produces, i'm needing discharge, and african markets are ready for that. okay,

we'll look forward to seeing how the scene develops just being tied into a of advocate pod fest. thank you for your insights. thank you. and you can also check out all of our d, w podcasts, wherever you get your podcast, but be sure to check out other new stories. a d, w dot com, forward slash advocate or on social media. that's it for now, but will leave you with these images of the south african st. tyler. she's just one of the 1st grammy for best african music performance awarded for hit water next time, bye for now. a man came up in a dangerous to

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