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the spots, the cities check and some great cultural memorials to beat travel regarding the full month sense of the gradual i'm as no and do site to the killing. i'm the suffering how long israel continue its military campaign as his allies would increasingly. but too many palestinians died. my guest this week here and tell of eve is from holiday former ahead of israel's foreign intelligence service. the most said for now europe and america are insisting that this war ends with a pathway to palestinian statehood. jerusalem says no. in the midst of this division who i'm, what can stop the blood chit from hot of you're welcome to come things on 4
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months into the cause of war as well. has failed to achieve the 2 objectives. it sets itself crushing have mice and bringing back the hostages. what's gone wrong? i think the war is taking longer than was expected. i think the estimates of the capabilities of the some us to continue to fight and to be relevant to advisor again. so the idea and i also believe that too, is also results of a miscalculation on up out as to how long this law would take and the games, even retrievable, crushing how much. i think it's too early to say. i think the war is notes over yet . i think uh, most of the strip is no longer under the control of the time us. the major area where the fighting is going on is in the south where the concentration
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is all the major combined positions of if i'm us, which have not yet been penetrated entirely. and i think it is too early to judge whether it's the end with the final defeats of some us or something. some of the less you said recently, if we end the war without a clear cut victory of a mosque, we will not to win the war. we have to carry on as long as we can in order for the other side to raise the white flag. what if they don't raise a white side? if they don't to the raise the white flag, we will continue. i think defending, of course, on the patients of the international community. depending on many other aspects, including the problem of the israel, is as hostages which are being held by the other side. i think that it is
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a too early to make a final of the estimates of how this will ultimately and you talk about the patience of the international community while acknowledging the israel's right to defend itself. some of the cost of stylize have expressed considerable disquiet about your military campaign. do you guys or do share any of these concerns? a wait tough to the campaign began. i gave an interview to the london times of which i said that i thought that to have a uh, what do you call the territory? and the new the uh, would be a mistake on our part because i felt as i said, and then they do would own the leads to agony versus i've been a i think we are fast reaching that point. but we have not reached it yet. and i think that is really has a lot of capability now to continue the war. even if we have to also devote
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attention greater attention to the developments in the north of the country. why are the most damaging accusations about is we have some of that you tactics came from joe by december he accused israel of indiscriminate bombing in gaza. and so shocking accusation isn't it? especially for a military that prides itself on being the most mar, allow me young. well, well, i don't to forget it myself. the confidence to uh, disagree with the president of the united states. and he probably has more information that i have for his conclusion. i would go the do different difference and know to accept this particular statement of his but to it to you, certainly entitled to think. so he's in the position to the what he speaks about his intelligence service has the closest connections with yours doesn't it says so he, he wouldn't make it out with oh no, no,
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but not really no means especially during the fact that to the present to director of the c, i a is a man to live with great ship your station and i've known of him and i've met him in the past many times, not doing my capacities headed with most of it. and he was the investor to jordan when i was a, the secret invoice during the around for a drop being. the problem is in order to get the pastry to and i think he's a man of the annual most capability. and also he is a done things that especially on the ukrainian the a c does have been unprecedented to this accusation wouldn't have been made logic would it's, i mean, the discriminant bombing could amount to a well crime couldnt it. yes. i think it's a uh, a statement which is, in my view,
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uh, okay, to uh, strong, the term to use. uh, when you have uh, bombing the, sometimes when the scope of the bombing uses. so a big deal has to take into account the tier and the they might be hitches in the operation. but i don't think this is the main character of the way is really office is working and is that a performing? and i think that they are very much aware of the, the rules of the international concerning a law firm. if you're using a 1000 pounds, 02000 buttons and into the found bouldin's in the densely populated area, it's hardly pinpoint targeting is defends, what else there is in that particular area area. if of a, the people they're using to their own a population as human shields, it's very difficult to can to,
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because you haven't attacked and took a, maintain an operation without having here. and there a, a, a, uh, a certain event which it was probably not intended to, but i do think of it to by and large israel and these ready forces. i know. so the apples i being very careful in the way they have uh, operates in the way they have the buttons and the areas that they needed to them. the style of a cutting food board to and met some to the gaza strip as also prevent outrage in many quarters at the beginning of the war a senior. is there any official major general costs on the, on the coordinate to government activities in the territories? declared that in gaza that will be no electricity, no water that will only need to structure you wanted help, you will get hell. in your view, what military am has been achieved by cutting food?
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water met some during the civilian population under what circumstances is that not collective punishment out to it by the geneva conventions that will begun in a certain way. a certain attitude actions were taken as you have described them very quickly. the israel changed as follows, is i never without the food for to be brought into the area some fruit and lots of food. a larger and larger quantities of food are being taken to the area. unfortunately, this has been taken over by the time us forces the and the in many cases the population did not benefit from these a surprise, the supplies of a being continuing all the time and increasing all the time. and the israel has, i think, to realize that it is in its interest not to prevent a larger and larger quantities of food to enter the territory. unfortunately,
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as i say, and i said that the moment ago the, some us has taken over controls and food. and we know that for a fact, we know that i know that for a fact is definite. the, and this is, by the way, is also created at the beginning of an uprising of the population against the, from us. this very reason i'm was that by the design, by cutting food, water, and electricity. what's that is that the, the design of the is read, it was the design of the, from us. no, i mean the, the design to implement food limit essentially suffice. so the population would rise up against the, i mean, this is close to charge. you know, i don't think that that is what happens. uh, we are from our point of view of the, the analogy greater and greater quantities of food and the other essentially to reach the does a still fun that's who was coming in before the who but they, but the problem is that the, the,
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some us is using the distribution of the what we are allowing to into, in a such a manner. that's a many parts of the population. the many areas do not receive well if we're allowed to enter. again, coming back to a point about a international community using patients 800 european, the newest civil 7 to the issue, the non president. it statement criticizing their own governments, what they called complicity and your military operations. and they say as well showed no boundaries in the middle of jo patients and gaza, which resulted tens of thousands of preventable disability. and that's a deliberate blockade of age, putting thousands of civilians at risk of starvation and slow death. it's not blowing out. i think they're absolutely wrong. i don't think they have the right, the numbers of people who dive. i don't think they have the capability to uh
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and, and to the area and to know exactly how many people died in a certain moment to a certain day. i believe the number of casualties does have been the suffered in the gaza strip, to some extent, not only a casual tissue which is red is rosabelle, but also what, how much is responsible? because that if we're talking about the rules of law and international law in war, the commercial, the last and the was who are tearing to the rules of, into the national little concerning the how to conduct a ministry operation. but under what circumstances can limiting food was to have met some not to be a little crime to 7 in population under what side. but we are not preventing the food because they just said or to know we did not have. we did not prevent the
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distribution of food to every person in the strip. every person the strip who are not to our uh, uh, hostages were given food and water as much as they wanted it to be addressed me that they be to come us. and we cannot be responsible for all crimes the most is continued a committed and for which we were not responsible. the international court of justice recently throughout, refused to throw out at ization of the genocide leveled at israel. the quote went so far as to say that at least some of the ex patent emissions alleged by south africa to being committed by his route and gaza appeared to be capable of forming within the provisions of the genocide convention. do trust the court to rule fairly . i'm not sure that the composition of the call to a guarantees
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a fair a outcome. but the fact of the matter is that the court did not all of the a cessation of hostilities. it did not all till the end of the war in a month from now, israel will be presenting reports on methods that they called has requested to be examined by israel. and i think that by the judge of all those who believe that the call to a to get up and a simply uh, a whistle, a look for a claim that the houses are still dismissed. and this has not happened. and the call to and its composition is another called which is a automatically, uh uh, on his ro side. also told me was that we have a, a button judge was a very problem man. and a very capable of a man and a very honest man. and then it's a national lawyer of the, of great repute and he's there as well. and i think that to,
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from the point of view of israel, the results, the nets, results the nets, results of the decision of the i, c j, is that we can continue the operation. and that's what we're doing for mazda is a militant, is the best organization, designate is a terrorist group by the us and many other countries. that is what we're seeing, revenge what your prime minister cold might, the vengeance or self defense. i don't want to be responsible for a wonderful uh, the statements of the problem is that you don't have much time. and uh, i don't think that this is something which i have to repulse on all to protect. so to defend. what i will say is that i believe that we are acting in a way which is a commiserate with international law on come back. an estimate
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226000 palestinians, 101-1500 children among them. huge area is reduced to rubble of, to, to monetary and suffering. another $10000.00 children be left without i, the parent of mother or father. does that come to a point where can you view? it's morally indefensible to continue inflicting so much death on innocence with the how must plays a role in this role, that corolla parent as well, you still in the role of execution. you tell them that they will begin on a certain day when how must be evaded israel and the 1st day was a day of in which the type of the, the actions that the forces took all of the hideous of those types of a criminal data to bit i couldn't imagine raping may women trying to
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take out the babies from the rooms of the taking the people his brothers and cutting them up in thoughts which would prevent it even identification. i think that is where it is never enrolled itself in this kind of activity and i don't think that we should be responsible for what become must have done in the 1st days in which they were active. i have myself a travel done to south and see entire villages that have been the become ruins, small the towns and is road in the south where people can no longer live for the moment. and i think that once we enter, that's the area the what we wanted to do is to push the inside population as far as weight goes down to the south in order to limit the number of people who are innocent and would not be liable to suffer as a result of that,
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and i think that in many ways we have the, i paid the price for that for the sum of the cases in which people have been killed and being treated not to speak even of the way the hostages being held, which is obviously, a manner which is absolutely totally against international role and the people, the young people, baby is children in the elderly people. all these people are being kept in, in the, in a way, which i think is the most distance you can imagine in terms of what's international them. it's and you were asked in an interview last year, what you would say to the people of guys in the wake of this destruction, the new replied i would say to the people of guys, or that it's your fault that you have played host to this group do really think
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that but i didn't understand what the materials say. do you really think it's the fault of the people in gaza on the people and causing that? they played host to him. us. eh, i think that the, it's their responsibility if they believe and understand what the, how must have doing to them for many, many is, is against their interest. it's a, they're a duty to rise up against the i'm us actually, by the way, in recent days that will be in the green demonstrations and the self of, of a, a, a gaza strip against the, from us. and people who are accusing the most exactly of the things that i have mentioned. but they live with that. and so with some of the executions torture repressions, those who protest routinely being arrested, tortured, beaten, subject to arbitrate. the touch of ale cheap is it?
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is it really fair to claim that organ regardless, is paid post? i must, when. in fact, many kenny bookshop cowed and beaten into submission by the screw, pulled back. yes. but we do not to have responsibility for the way the son must race their own population. that's not a job and it's not our should we say a desire that they all agree population should be treated the way that god must repeat to treat them if they wants to change the situation there, it's for them to rise up and it's for them to go through the most. uh, i think that is the book that we should be expected. i don't think it's our job to save the population of goes up from what the come us doing to them. but we now do is real actively assisted in the funding. that's how my student is account to wait to the post and into effect in order to keep palestinians. this united of,
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i'm able to form their own government of israel do use to the end to send the monthly quantity of, uh, of uh, food and other things. uh, also financial help from us on a uh, monthly uh, uh, agenda to gather with the categories and uh, this enables the from us to, into some ways to uh, maintain it. so i'll talk to you in the, in the gaza strip. the they were in charge the and we did not want that they should be unable to buy food and to do other things as well. by the way, i would say for many years, the people, the from the, the gaza strip. a used to enter a israel daily as workers, and this also gave them the private and also of funding. and these
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really the hospital, the system has ro i played hosts to many people in the some us who received treatment there. and also underwent a very complicated operations in the best hospitals we have. so i didn't think of it if there's any way to fuse israel in this way. of, of being a, uh, improper in its treatment of the mouse. if you take the entire to over. so many is israel trying to create a new buffers and gaza, whether it's move it's borders into gaza, despite the opposition care opposition from america. i do not believe that israel will enter the gaza and overtake positive the territory. there is a part of the of the of the can is it's
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a visa department. has it one or 2 parties which would like israel to a return to the as a after we left. does it by the way to ask about our own. but ition the decision to lead because uh, in the 2005 and 6 was a, a decision of israel. you still controlled everything that went in and out. yeah. it's basically a lot of goods, but we're going to have to because of our own, but ition and, and it was a, the desire of the then problem is to shut on that we should not negotiate. we should simply leave and not to impose upon them that any uh, an act. so any obligation towards us. a uh, i think that uh, that was uh, in my way, uh, in my an estimate i'd say, a wrong thing to do from uh,
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point of view. i don't believe in any of those asian, which on some is a you say, okay, i'm going to remove the, the area and do whatever you wish. i think it with the being better if we had negotiated with them. that was the wish of mr. shut on because he didn't want to recognize them as a force in the area. and it just some of the force in the area. but they were afraid to do what they wanted to count. prime minister has ruled out a sofa and palestinian state a 2 state solution. feel less than allies are insisting that there is a possible way to palestinian state. how do you get there? do they deserve palestinians? thank. do you want to see why i'm? i'm come to ever be peace if that is and i believe the ultimate and my personal opinion is that uh, ultimately, uh, billing be a better city and state. that is my understanding of what we have over the state. a
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southern states. yes. the southern states. uh, it is also uh my understanding. but if the palestinians are able to get that house in order, and this is for them, i think a, you need a, uh, a chance to uh, be able to achieve silver and see if cost this will only be achieved if they do not. uh, continue to uh, allow a tenor isn't to be used as a tool against israel, but they have to have something to hope for something i think so i think the son of israel has taken that away. i think that the in, in, in a real negotiation between us and them. i think we could reach a understanding which would be supported by the international community by the
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upload a. we are also in touch on these that matches together with united states and with saudi arabia. and to some extent, even with the cuts out to see to it, that would be an option, a viable option for a better city and state and one way or another. and if there is one, we have just one more often another. i hope not. i don't want to be a despondent in advance. i want to hope for the better to uh, i think that uh, maybe uh the time will come when the majority uh, on the other side of the border at the moment. well, the realize that it isn't that interest to find the motor as a vendor with israel. if i'm out of it, it's been put that down complex. so thank you. back on the side of the,
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