the young people clearly have the solution. the future is 77 percent. every weekend on dw the 2 years ago today, ukraine was hoping for the best, bracing for the worst. and the early hours of february 24th of 2022. a russian tank started rolling towards keys. it wasn't a surprise, but certainly a shock unreal as it seemed at the time or had returned to your and the 2 years since tens of thousands of people have died, many of them ukrainian civilians. russia now holds a 5th of ukraine's territory and the front lines have grown largely static, but ukraine remains a sovereign state thanks to the result of its people and the backing of its

powerful allies. but keeping up the resistance has proven to be an uphill battle. so tonight we ask how, and where is this conflict going on? because relation, berlin, and this is the day the 2 years ago, shortly before the russian troops marched across the border. and the crank, like one day i was smoking with my friends and we were complaining about the mass fast and the next day we woke up with the 1st explosions when we arrived. we didn't expect to spend christmas see or even christmas. now we spent christmas this year, we can get our land back and forth. you can lose to the august. the initiative has now in this full way, costs to russia. russia in this. yeah, really believes it as a chance. it has

a chance to break ukraine. i want to spend my next christmas home, but now we realized more and more that we have no plans. we put a note also on the day another round of sanctions on russia over its more and ukraine. but is it enough to stop? it is warm. she, so that's why i'm announcing more than 500 new sanctions the world conquests in response to election of all of these dest welcome to the show. ukraine is marketing and anniversary of info me to here says letting me put in launched his war on a nation. he denies even exists a war. russians are from been even to call a war. your brain has survived paying a terrible human cost. recently its forces have been on the back foot,

saving small amounts of territory and land, even as it scores important successes, etc. in 2023, the front lines remained largely in place. ukraine's much wanted offensive failed to repeat the successes of the year before where he craned recaptured bank slots of territory occupied by russia. but even out of guns and outmanned ukraine as reasserting its hold on that territory. for the full cross gate lies in southern ukraine between her son and mic alive. when the russians healthcare son, this village was no man's land, a buffer zone, sacrifice to stop russian forces advancing on make life. the plan worked but meant the village itself was almost completely destroyed. it'll be used. colina 2 more, went to meet evacuated, villagers were starting to return this used to be home to 2400 people. it was sacrifice to stop the russians taking more ukrainian territory in

early 2020 to one of the main building houses of culture completely destroyed. this is the price they paid. 70 percent of this village was completely destroyed each day. there could be hundreds of impacts when the russians were only a couple of kilometers away. now people have started to come back to what remains of their home, even though the war is not over, but at least severe village is not the battlefield anymore. last year's work to be mine, the land and clear up the shells is done at now. some villagers are coming back to plan how to rebuild their homes will go cold in the morning. this was my grandson's room when he was a kid. was that guy, as you say, now he's 25 and he will graduate from military school in keys who had be sent the

ass on in march. well, that's good. i never would know what to do with. he tells us how the russian attacks began when they were old still here. you don't want to show what i was looking soup when suddenly bang, it started, you know, oh my god, airplanes flying. and then like today, twice i start shaking at the sound of the bang. well, how much to his neighbor is also here. planning how to return to the village of east birth. you'll have to oversee the demolition of what remains of his house before he can rebuild. of this, while bombs are still flying only half hour drive away and hide us on 6. and you can use the video would have who needs this warner? how many of died already you shoot this book? it's hard for mothers to bear with them. is that those are some of the main thing is we want this to end as soon as possible along the so when get them out of our

land, we serve in the control class. is emily, a significant portion of the electricity system has already been restored. efforts are underway to restore the water supply post test booklet off scope is part of a pilot project of the we built ukraine reconstruction program, ledge by the state agencies for the restoration of you. cree. lisa is a member of the village council which is overseeing the approach one of the 3 care things she's dealing with, corporate helping people who are not only lost their homes, but also their property ownership documents. yep. right. i'm against the war. i want the russian is defined as terrorist and it's like the whole world indic into them. why should our people die the best time against the war for which it is not

yesterday? yeah, put you waiting. yeah. which of those are can to us, you have to it was a residence as we ask her what it was like living here before the war before. i'll start crying literally. we had a wonderful, lazy visual myself, but we didn't realize that until we had the packers being in leadership because we started being shelled on march and 14 brenda was to pick them up still. but as now there's little left standing. the school, the kindergarten gone. just this single store is still operational. so why are villagers willing to return? this is home to home, you know, the home. i've been living here for 40 years. the whole, the locals here. i determined to bring back to life. and for more i'm joined now by just in chrome piece of military veteran and ceo of civil

line and international intelligence and risk analysis consultancy based in the u. k . just and welcome back to the day. and we've spoken many times over the past 2 years. what would you say the world has learned since russia launched its full scale invasion? i mean, 1st of all is jose is, i'll be back with you again on that. but it is tragic. 2 years, instead of listening to you as a software has we just saw in that, in that coverage and the, and i think a lot in some ways and it's not, no very much, you know, those. i mean, i think the big thing we'd love is that the cold war peace dividend that we've enjoyed since 1990 or so is that and we live in a more dangerous world. we live in a world where a large states will use force to achieve their ends without some of the safeguards . and so in the ways we've seen fighting develop over the last of the 2 years. and we're just seeing this. i'm real poor tennessee of more than combat in ukraine, and i think about for anything else. that's something we should bear in mind and of course european nations and particularly looking at what that means for defense and

security. more by zach a different many lessons from level um as a saying in the military, always prepared for the last conflicts and then to come to you gets is different to what you expect to. and i think we've learned a lot about how society can resist regression, an invasion, particularly innovation. the ukraine shows. and as you mentioned, you creating a such a good see a country that doesn't have a navy is thinking roughly a russian most of the week of the moment. um, you know, just because of the way and it say it been able to embrace smoking technologies. so i'm so much to load. i mean, we could talk about that for the entire rest of the program. sadie scratch the surface from a minute since that's like a totally movement aboard listeners without put them in this. you know, it's a huge you shopping event and the shopping to use the remain shopping now that we've been talking about it for so long in this situation continues in the report we just saw, we met a new brand new man asking, who needs this war and i'd like to extend that question to you. who needs this war?

what computing realistically achieve? i mean, to some extent left me a pizza, then we'd be told before amount. is he really in charge, or is it a couple of people around to you that sort of senior leadership in russia, many of whom names people wouldn't even know. i've been with this point, i would argue they need this for. they've pushed russia into it and smashed the isolated position. yes, it has support from other nations. i'm so great or lesser extent and i'm nations, you wouldn't necessarily want to come up with like a role on the new 3 year. but they are now a nation is unable for ting. it's a war economy. that's how they civilized these being the most sanctioned nation on us at the moment. and obviously the sanction today. and so the russian leadership needs this and they needed to and well, for them is a way they up to training the power. and it's why they're trying to show that russia is of course, to be taken seriously. and of course, get the population in line as well, because where there's no choice now, there is no way that russia news is complex. and the regime in russia survives and

they have to wait and they have to do it by pushing the nation into a very militaristic stones. so the people do need it. i think the russian, people don't need it. you're creating people certainly don't need it. and the rest of the world didn't need it. and you say that any conflict, this is particularly destructible. this anniversary of course, comes about a week after the fall of of div go, which is something that proven is counting as a turning point in this, where he calls special military operation. looking at the general state of affairs, does russia currently have the upper hand on lands rusher is getting more of the initiative, but i mean, i think holding up the turning point and it was a pivotal moment, the battle of stalingrad of this war is not is not a fight description of what was actually happened. the russia took a numerous losses to achieve the victory. yes it is. there has been for over 10 years, we shouldn't look at it so. so the 10th anniversary of the seizure of tried me are

and then onto the don't boss in 2014. so i'm assuming the ukrainians and most of the living with for a long time. but it's taking them 10 years actually to capture this, this out at this point. um and they were able to do it hard and because of the lack of support is coming through for you. credit ma'am, due to issues in the us. but it's most pivotal victory is not a pivotal moment. it does show that russia is getting a bit of advantage back, but they rushing on forces and still terribly constrained by their own shows of i munition very constrained by the the cost empower. it's taking them to advance, and that river will inability to come on and control. still they con, manage these very large operations to stay in the operations. atlanta, somebody sit blows on the ukraine, so it's not enough for russia to win the conflict. they could have slight talk behind, but they didn't really seem to have it the maybe the force that would allow them to smash ukrainians when the conflicts and on the ground. they're still very evenly matched, over roll, rushes, go to look to do. they go to advance further? may the secretary generally and some work recently recognize ukraine's right to

strike targets in russia as a means of self defense. now and talking about turning point could that signal one, especially when it comes to the use of western weapons in russia, that is something that you cranes always thought you chase that the idea that we called the weapons to them too. so that defends against aggression and then allowed to use them against the enemy. and it seems like a very, if you like old fashion in supporting the complex some would say, and this been, this fear the throughout the that'd be an escalation. if western supply to them is use against russian population centers, or, you know, the targets or other inside russia. and i think there's always been this concern about every piece of supply equipment. when the u. k supplied the 1st main battle tanks. there were concerns and the codes, the 1st is or break the idea that nato could not supply these weapon systems. so you can create and same with the storm side of the cruise missiles and others. everything was fearful that it was a step too far. we're testing the russians,

while the russians and of course tested nature and they've tested western nations b is, i'm not afraid to push those boundaries. so ukraine's in particular would say this is not sufficient restriction. why is russia really and you're going to do about this? russia likes to say it's one of nature, but it isn't russian nose, it's not, i'm russian news. it wouldn't win such a conflict. and the 3rd strategy is to try and undermine our results, to try and undermine the lawrence within them fragmented that way and not taking all military and that'd be afraid to do so. it was. but you have very good reason. i would suggest so the russians would say, you know, you shouldn't do this, of course they would. i'm not sure we actually should take some of these restrictions out seriously. give them rushes own vega and the position that written . but it is remaining a constraint in some people's minds. i think it will gradually change as it has on over the last 2 years. more and more thresholds have been paused. none of them move in terminal. none of them lead to a single response. we're out of time, but maybe i can get a yes or no question. can you crane when the for sure can with this war

is going to require a lot more to help him to do it. that's doesn't crime c o, the intelligence and risk analysis consultancy civil line. thank you so much for your analysis today. and the past 2 years, sneak kira roodick is an ukranian m p, and head of the goal us. our voice part ation joins us now from keith. here a good to seeing you again, i want to start with a personal question on this day. how these past 2 years changed your life to new calls. thank you so much for having me. well, um, a month and a half ago there was a but as me said, a tech on keys. and there was me so here near the home where i live and i was inside the hole. and i have personally witnessed how my windows were pulled out of the frames and thrown into the middle of the room. i remember glass everywhere and

including my body. and i remember that fire and dark smoke and explosions everywhere and it's really child's like armageddon. for me was one of the most dramatic experiences of this war. and this is something that we live with every single day in different. see just a few crane, even the ones that are not very close to the front. this is what the experience and it is absolutely terrifying. and mostly because you as a citizen, as a human being can do absolutely nothing against this huge piece of metal that is coming from this guy to kill you and everything that you loved and worked for. this is what the life in your brain is right now and the short issues amunition that we are talking about. it's not just some general shortage of the munition. it means that people are the front, do not have the ability to 5 backs,

and it means that i'll wait. and if our systems do not have enough to protect us. so basically, every single evening when you're going to bed, you'll have no guarantee that you will wake up in the morning and then you wake up out of the air instead of being one. and you go to the bump shelter where you spent a decent time of your day. same for adults, kids, everyone. this is what life looks like. and still no matter what. what do we have enough of a self if we did not change our plan and our plan is that we, when the war we have the gain of a shoulder empty and we liberate other people in the occupied territories. this is our goal, and we did not change it. and what we need to achieve it is for the perception from over a life to switch from helping ukraine fight to lifting. that's when letting that's when the war and the here. let me jump in providing that comes up. let me jump in

there for a 2nd because ukraine has not been able to defend of, they've got, it's a city they've had to abandon and recent days, the experts say that it has a lot to do with that critical shortage of you, munitions that you were pointing out, are your allies letting you crammed down or well the tuesdays we did not step back from a b because because like we wanted to write, it happened because we didn't have the means in our hands to find that. and we still have the will divide back, so yes, we really want our lives to step up and we are grateful for everything that we have received so far. but we obviously need more because our any meet so much bigger than us, so much stronger than us and has a better military capabilities and producing weapons. 247. and there's also receiving weapons from iran and north korea that to some confirmations that we have

the proof off just recently because that north korea and michelle shipped me a key of a couple of days ago. so we need our lives that are on the good side of the history to get as the weapons that we so desperately needs. and we, when we have talking about germany, we really need those tar systems. we know that we want them or we really want to have them. we need them for august survival, simple as that. there has been in recent months though, a lot of talk about ukraine fatigue and it really shows in, you know, it has attends or even outright resistance in the u. m. the us, the support ukraine. what is your message to those who at this point really, you know, don't see a point in aiding ukraine any longer. the the message is very simple. it is not about ukraine. it is much bigger than us. you can search within, you know, do you think that this manual stop at something,

she will not stop unless he stopped. and steve ukraine's fails, he will go further and i think it's of just write down for everyone after death reflection of all me. so we are fighting against the precedent that in 21st century, one come country can and that's the category of another one. can commit to all kinds of work crimes and get to way was that, and we have so you know, and given their security situation in europe and all of the threats that are coming, i think we are the ones who are protecting, you're afraid out. and we are willing to do that over and over, but do we need the means to do that? that was kara roodick, ukrainian m, p from the goal of political party. thank you so much for your time. thank you. and while you, as president joe biden has announced punitive sanctions against 500 targets and rush on a fresh effort to counter what he called putin's war machine,

the measure is also safe to punish russian officials for the death of discipline politician alex in a volley last week targets include people connected with his imprisonment as well as individuals involved in supporting the war, including the defense and financial sectors in the spring and the the way as to not allowing who is in washington dc. janelle tell us more about these latest sections . so yeah, so earlier we actually her job, i didn't talk about these sanctions and a speech at the white house, he reiterated that the white house does blame of the kremlin for the death of alexia volney. and that the sanctions are in response to them. now the sanctions of course, are the single largest trains of sanctions imposed on russia in a single day since the worst started, as he said, and includes over $500.00 targets, including 2 of russia is our biggest companies by revenue as a supplier of specialty steals. as well as a military logistics company. now it also aims to target the financial sector in

the form of targeting and not in a rush was national payment system. the point of the sanctions is also to cut into rushes, oil revenue as well as crank crack down on the sanctions, evasion enablers around the world, in europe and us, and central asia and in the middle east. now of course saw these us sanctions come after that you has announced their own sanctions as well as the u. k. and the hope is really that this coordinated effort helps to slow down rushes warm machine out of time where ukraine is running out of munitions. and we've reached a stage of the war where both sides really do appear. doug, and this is by far not the 1st round of sanctions though have previous measures shown any sign of impact in russia and the man in the kremlin. well if the point of sanctions as the trigger a change in behavior or to really deter putin's ability to wage war,

then these are sanctions for james, have not been as effective as hoped. now it's worth noting that russell, of course, if there's one thing it knows how to do with how to deal with sanctions. there's been sanctions for james in place since 2014 also worth saying that russians economy has held up considerably. well, despite these sanctions, the international monetary fund saying that russia's economy is expected to grow faster than it had originally. forecast of this here are russia's worry economy also appears to be working quite well for the country in terms of boosting, boosting defense production. however, none of these are an argument against sanctions for russia, this is of course an important to sign of a solid garrity for you free, but of course what would make a much more what would make a bigger material difference is if congress would pass the billions of aid for ukraine currently languishing in the house, blocked by republicans, and

a lot of people in ukraine would agree with you on that level data we use janelle, and i'm alone in washington dc. thank you so much. the european union has also impose sanctions on russia to hinder its ability to fund the war and ukraine. but a new report points out a major loophole. you know, we use brussels correspond inject power because more a oil tank is like, these are still bringing russian oil into the you did the criminal in 1100000000 your rose last year according to a new report by the n g, a global witness, a legal loophole is allowing russia to sell it soil in the you, the spice of sanctions from against impulse countries which have an impose sanctions on russian oil are able to import millions of barrels of russian crude oil. they refine them in those countries. and at the point that they've become a refined product, like fuel or diesel is no longer considered russian. and so this fuel is freely imported into the european union. they followed oil time to move months and delved

into publicly available russian tax revenue. information in that research deal is mainly coming through india and turkey, but also the bulk area, which is actually inside the u when the you brought in the sanctions on refined to petroleum products. in february 2023, they did so with limited exceptions. one of those exceptions being to allow bo galleria to continue to impose for find oil in order to prevent a major economic hit to the use poor is nation in the statements to dw the european commission. acknowledge the loophole we do not prohibit the import of refined petroleum products from 3rd countries, which do not have a russian origin because of the refining process. they said the 1100000000 euros in oil sales is the equivalent of nato's recent pledge to spend on munition, to ukraine and member states stockpiles. and on the other side, defies russia arrives 1200 cruise missiles. the type it's been using to strike

targets in ukraine for 2 years now. and the 3rd time, but make sure to stay informed, stay engaged, and stay in touch from all of us here on the day. thank you so much for spending parts of your day by the

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